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A while ago we took the Political Compass test & safe to say... we didn't love it. So this time round we asked our team & audience to take the 8values test, an alternative political test. So in this video we explain the test, reveal our results and tell you what it means.
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The 8 values link you mentioned at the end isn't in the info, great work besides that as always team :)
There's a typo in the thumbnail! Again you guys aren't proof reading your videos enough
9:27 you forgot to include the submission link in the description
Title card said "Left or Rigt" heh. Thank you for another video.
I searched for the screenshot I made of my results and well all of them are pretty close to the overall results. Meaning the biggest difference has the diplomatic axis with 4% more world.
All this proves is that actually, political views are full of nuance and usually people don't fit into a standard 'left or right' model.
i like political labeling
it informs what leadership i can blindly trust and which group's opinions can be dismissed unheard
@@evilotto9200 No wonder it's so popular. You don't actually have to think if you use labeling. Life is so much easier.
@@evilotto9200 no wonder politics run on blind faith of the masses with no real reasoning.
That everything is nuanced and not a simple binary dynamic is kinda obvious to anyone not on the extreme
@@quadrirahaman9264 You'd be surprised at the amount of regular people who are conditioned to think/act otherwise. Nuance isn't popular.
Even if deep down people understand it exists, it's easier to just ignore it and reap the validation of virtue signaling at the cost of the other person.
Left and right are simplistic terms from the French Revolution. There are a lot more nuance in life than black and white
Nuance, did you mean?
Ya, that's what the test is for
Edit: actually I get what you mean, the narrator labels each axis as the "left" or "right" wing opinion when it can't be boiled down to that
capitalism vs communism made it worse
@@robertabella1806 so did tolerance vs intolerance
@@connordoyle8014 blame autocorrect
I’m curious to see how these results vary across the world.
Likewise, but not sure if they have enough results from around the world to give a nuanced view of that, without it being incredibly skewered by individual viewers...
I was on average 20% more left leaning on all 4 measures when compared to average viewers.
As a Canadian, I showed it too a few friends and we all got the same 80-87% on all the left wing ones. Honestly that wasn't surprising given its an American based tests.
@@badgamers5065 Nope. The test is not biased, it’s just the fact that #1 in my country right wing generally also means weaker state (I live in Germany and we had a left wing dictatorship and a right wing dictatorship, so both sides are normally not keen on giving any more power to the government except they are in the government of course *cough* CDU/CSU *cough* and you don’t go into the extremes). The test just isn’t made to be rebranded as a left-right test. The test is made to rethink about your political position
my friend, from the netherlands here: pretty much the average TLDR outcome. but a socialist none the less if people are not sure.
The issue I have with tests like these, is how you have to interpret questions. Do I believe the masses make bad decisions? Yes I do, but this doesn't Mean I believe we should completly silence them.
It Also interesting to see what a strong leader is. Being a strong leader doesn't Mean ignoring advice or criticism for me. It is making decisions and not be afraid that there Will be consequences for you or your party.
But with 70 questions, that problem is limited.
@@theparker3759 yes and no. By asking a lot of questions you reduce the chance of measuring the wrong thing. But that is assuming that all the other questions do measure the thing you want. It is like using ten rulers to make sure that you are close to the correct length. If all of them are off, you still can't trust you results.
So yes, asking more questions reduces the impact of a bad one, but it is no certainty if the others aren't good. I haven't checked all of the questions.
Agreed. When I think strong leader I don't think Kim Jong Un, I think Trump. Unafraid of the consequences and willing to take action but not a dictator making their own rules which I think is the interpretation the test uses.
It's also an interesting dichotomy that in Europe the left-leaning parties are more libertarian whereas in the US the more right-leaning parties are more libertarian. So the scale is different for Americans than the rest of the world.
I am with you on that. All of the above, honestly. To me, the strong leader would be one who is confident, willing and quick to own their mistakes, learn and grow. Not authoritarian strongarm political aholes trying to grab as much power and dictation as possible, which we both know, is likely exactly what any of these tests are really saying/thinking when they say "Strong Leader". And apparently, it would seem TLDR agrees with this latter bit, as they themselves said that's what the question was meaning. Subjectivity is a necessary, fantastic part of life, but also can produce some of the most frustrating situations, results, etc we can experience.
@@SquirtlePWN I wouldn't consider Trump a strong a strong leader. He was An extremely weak one to me as he couldn't take any critique, refused to listen to other ideas, tried to divide his country and couldn't accept losing An election.
The problem is left/right wing is all relative. Centerist policies in the UK would probably be considered left wing in the US for example
Yeah. Party that in Poland is considered cetro-right in western Europe would be considered far right extremists XD
@@autumnblack6373 Free healthcare is an example. Would practically be politcal suicide to openly announce you wanted to privatise the NHS.
To be fair, americans can't really tell their literal left from right, so even less in a moral framing.
@@stupifyingstupedity2112 very true from my experience of Americans but I shouldn't generalise.
@@autumnblack6373 It is pretty different from country to country really. In Hungary we consider our ruling party "centre-right" but economically they would be left wing in the USA (free healthcare, more social aid, government intervention everywhere etc.), while socially they would be considered far-right in the USA (banning lgbtq adoption, gender transition, teaching about lgbtq people in schools, buying up opposition media etc.).
So the whole left-right debate only has some truth in it if you're talking to someone in your country because the terms have different meanings everywhere.
That “the stronger the leadership, the better” question is poorly worded. I would’ve argued strong leadership means that the country has leadership which is good at leading/unifying the country towards its goals.
That's kinda how I interpreted it when I did the quiz
Exactly what I thought as well.
Yeah me too
Strong does not mean good.
Just think about the opposite ver of the word. If weaker leadership is worse, then stronger leadership is better.
The biggest problem here is that we don't see the distribution of the answers.
It could well be that a big portion audience is a little left-wing economicly, but those who belive in radical left-wing economics could be few. It could also well be completly different
The point is that this is a bit simplistic and could very well reflect the reality quite poorly.
Seeing the distribution of the answers on the four axes would allow to see the situation more accurately.
Definitely being able to see how many people were considered centrist
@@gilesbeaven9626 If you analyze any statistics, seeing the distribution is extremly important.
I swear they represented the equality as 69% instead of 70% purely for the joke.
angry upvote.
Someone didn't listen.
@@1995pieter *Like.
Oral equality for everyone!!
I will say as a right wing person who watches this news, you guys do have a very strong left wing audience simply down to the fact that you are yourself left wing, people naturally watch people with their view, however I think TLDR does do a good job for keeping views equal and giving fair truthful news and overtime it will gain support from right wing viewed people
I agree 👍
I am also a right winger. Though i am only right in Marketreligions, tradition, military and globalist matters.
I get a leftist match whenever i do such tests. Mainly because i am left leaned in many other fields like wages and equality.
I agree, I’m left wing tho
@@susmitabasu5117 It sounds more like you are trying too hard to fit yourself into the "right wing" category because of your ego when you don't truly fit the category, as most people do. It's also baffling to believe that you can have "left leaning" policies on wages and equality while everything else remains based on right wing menus... this is not a pick and choose restaurant menu. What choices you make in one area - for example to invest more in military - affects the options you have in other areas like wages.
@@oldskoolmusicnostalgia how are thoughts about military investment related to wages? I believed in defunding the military because of globalist cooperation, and i see now that russia cannot be trusted and they would 100% incite other nations to be aggressors in todays day and age, so my opinion on military spending has changed. my opinion on wage growth etc has not.
Both sides want liberty, but they see liberty in different things.
Me, an ancom: Truer words have never been spoken!
@@huldanoren951 Thank you.
Please what do you mean by 'Me, an ancom?'
Not sure why TLDR keeps talking about values in terms of Left and Right when the whole point of both the political compass and the 8 values test is that they present non-economic factors like liberalism/authoritarianism as orthogonal to left/right.
did you not finish the video?
@@jaws6026 I did, but the point about different countries having different political centres isn't relevant to my criticism. The 8 values test and political compass test were both established explicitly in opposition to the idea that nationalism/internationalism, liberty/authoritarianism and tradition/progress attitudes are either left or right wing - a fundamental point which TLDR seems to actively reject (or not understand) when explaining the results. 8 values isn't trying to get people from thinking in left right terms - it's trying to restrict the meaning of left right to its specific and correct meaning in relation to economic relations between capital and labour.
@@CountDadLord This seemed to be the most important point of the test. That the video did not make this point (or at least not in a clear enough way) is disappointing. Thank you for stating it clearly.
@Puddin I surveyed my class using the gotoquiz which has a lot more questions and allows you to weigh issues, and I found the opposite of what you claimed.
@Puddin I've never seen academic data to support that. I've seen papers showing evidence that authoritarianism is linked to a belief in determinism, and also (weirdly) ambidexterity, but all of the paper's I've seen on authoritarianism show it as uncorrelated to egalitarianism. If you've found something that shows otherwise, I'd be delighted if you could share the link.
History on the usage of the "right wing" and "left wing" term could be a good video...and subsequently abolishing the terms would be a great idea.
It's easier to distinguish between people's political views through ideological terms, like "social democrat", "social liberal", "liberal-conservative", and "national-conservative", among others. Though if you have the time it never hurts to compare positions on your important issues. After all, labels are often more trouble than they are worth.
It'll never happen while the term right winger is used as an insult
@@Th3_Gael well, so is the term left-winger.
@@elwinowen5469 Considering the mess that 'liberal' alone has become, with people labelled it that would hate each other if they ever met, then no, I don't think that is much better.
Abolishing these terms is a stupid idea with no reason.
Let's face it, most people are pragmatists, not ideologues.
They certainly don't display that online.
Everyone is engaged in some kind of ideology, as your base assumptions dictate what you’re practically working towards
ideologues are capable of pragmatism
The two aren’t exclusive. I generally agree to certain ideologies and I mostly believe in case-by-case analyses of different issues to find the best decisions for society.
What about 7 minute abs. That's even better.
There's also 9axes, which is even more in depth
and then there's 10groups, seriously.
@@bapo224 Never heard of that one.
And there's also Leftvalues and Rightvalues
@@huldanoren951 Yeah, very useful and fun for when you already know what side you lean to.
infvalues lol
May I recommend the 9axes next? It’s a more detailed version of 8values.
Thiiiiiiiiiis
Agreed
Arguably one of the worst tests.
The questions are borderline autistic.
@@goosenuggets9693 it’s a much more reliable test.
As an autistic person, that makes anything 10x better, Minecraft is one of those popular with autists things isn’t it, that’s great.
That test is a bit painful for me because I'm a religion that ISN'T abrahamic, whereas all of the 8values test's questions which touch on religion take a very abrahamic base assumption. (Or don't really touch on how spiritual I am beyond how much I want it legally enforced (which was not at all, despite how zealously I worship my own gods.))
Well, think about your own religion then. I could also see an American touch there, in questions about guns and abortion. I'm European and abortion is a non-issue in my country.
Rehardless of the religion.
The impact is either liberty, freedom of religion.
Or authority, restrictions on what religion the rest of society can be allowed to worship.
@@octavianpopescu4776 abortion is very much an issue in many European countries, Ireland and Poland to name two. It’s not an American only issue.
Worshipping anime girls is not a religion
@Ainesh Paul This! It's a meassure how great you want the divide between church and state to be. And as a member of an abrahamitic religion myself, I have to say that I am catigorically against any overlap between church and state - which is a *HARD* left view in countries like the US, Poland or Ireland and a rather moderately left to centrist view in countries like the Netherlands, Canada or Japan.
The test labeled me a "libertarian", which I suppose makes sense since I was pretty balanced on the first two (55% markets, 55% world) but "liberal" (71% Liberty) and "very progressive" (76% progress).
The interesting thing is that last time I did the test a couple of years ago I was way more hardline on markets (it called me a "classical liberal"). So apparently I'm now more moderate regarding the economy.
I got reasonably similar results as well :)
It called me a commie! can't be right that test.
That is the thing, political views change over a lifetime.
Not sure the age breakdown has a significant enough difference to be interesting.
I'm way more annoyed about spelling "right" as "rigt" than I have any right to be
8values test question:
"My Nation is great"
Me: Strongly Agree
Of course it is its Germany, the greatest country
Edit test results:
Economic Axis: Centrist
57.1% - 42.9%
Diplomatic Axis: Peaceful
33.9% - 66.1%
Civil Axis: Liberal
68.0% - 32.0%
Societal Axis: Progressive
32.7% - 67.3%
Remember to not overdo it, like your 1940 holiday in France
May I ask in what part of germany you live?
because in westphalia, where I live, you'll be looked at with suspicion, when you say something like that.
@@SimonDoer Hesse!
Nah dont worry i just love Germany, and i have to say i hate former east Germany for their problem with right extremists like in Saxony
I have the opposite stance towards my country (Poland)
EDIT: also, your results are similar to mine
I mean, there are certainly worse places to live, I'll give you that. But there's still a LOT wrong with Germany. I wouldn't call it great.
What would interesting is to see the distribution of each of the 8values rather than a single average. I'd predict that you'd have bimodal graphs for each axis.
This is probably true.
I landed at: Libertarian Socialism. Economic Axis: Socialist (87% Equality). Diplomatic Axis: Internationalist (86% World). Civil Axis: Liberal (73% Liberty) & Societal Axis: Very Progressive (87% Progressive).
Nice to know its where I thought I would land on the scale, rather than being surprised.
Interesting little test though and might be useful to some to see where they actually are versus where they think they are.
I got the same 👌
damn, that's leftist af
Pretty much the same. I got 91% equality though
I took a different understanding of the “stronger leadership is better” question, I understood it to just be that the government is stable and strong. Or in Theresa May’s words: “Strong and stable leadership”
I think it’s possible to have a strong government, whilst still having the possibility to vote it out.
Think anyone who's looked in the comments would realise the viewership is left wing tbf lads
A large portion of TH-cam is left wing - comes with the demographic...
@@QemeH explains why comment sections seem so toxic ig
@@RoyalTheRebel That's more because of the demographic and less because of the political leanings (because right wing comments can be toxic as all hell as well), but yeah :)
Tbh I thought the opposite because most of what I see in the comments is nasty tories
6:14 Okay, “left wing” doesn’t necessarily mean globalist, at all. There are many countries where immigration is discouraged because it can lead to a weakening of the welfare state. Also there are plenty of examples of left-wing authoritarian states in history. You seem to be confusing “left-wing” with “liberal”.
6:32 Left wingers do usually reject tradition in favor of social progress, though.
Denmark for example has really strict immigration laws and yet is cited by Bernie Sanders whenever he wants to use an example of a social democratic nation
@@jamiengo2343 Exactly, I am FROM Denmark.
@@meh23p oh fair enough lol
@@TheThreatenedSwan that’s not how I personally define globalism. Globalism imo, is when international, multilateral bodies and organisations are favoured over the nation states. This naturally means that the nation state loses its power and influence, as it cedes control and powers to these bodies.
I have to say even though I’m generally just right of centre, I do value TLDR as a mostly neutral source of news.
Keep up the good work guys 👍
I'm waiting for this video few months back! At last, it's here! Thank You, TLDR! 🤗🤗🤗
Both sides want progress but they want to progress in different things.
Always seriously impressed by the quality of the writing here, well done team.
9 axes is a lot larger and gives more insight.
9 axes is a much better test i agree
Six triangles is quite interesting as well
i was Fanatic Democratic and Fanatic Secular so i am happy
The time during this poll occurred during a football scandal with rich billionaire owners
I landed in the 'centrist' camp (the label I got in the 8values). I’d consider myself pretty right wing, so a bit of a minority in your audience. Still, I love this channel and the efforts you guys put into impartial coverage despite innate biases. Quality is still top notch. :)
Same, I give them shit for the bias but still watch all the time and the graphics quality is excellent.
you might be right-wing and traditional in Europe, but your views might be more centrist compared to the entire globe. Since european views are generally more leftward :)
Thanks. This is the kind of open minded thought that is refreshing. While I'd consider myself left-centrist, I regularly watch and read news/opinions that I know I'll likely disagree with because it's so important in this current climate to ensure that you challenge yourself. Thank you.
@@jasmina.8473 You make a valid point, even some of our most staunch right wingers here in the UK are extremely pro-NHS (our "free" public health service) but it's fundamentally a pretty socialist concept so very left wing. Personally I think it's a pile of garbage compared to places like Germany and Scandinavia but its a good example of the right and left varying massively especially on specific topics.
@@stickman6217 Yeah. Just look at topics like abortion - in the Netherlands "we should make them see a psychiatirst before and set a strict no-later-than barrier" is about as right-wing as you'll get; meanwhile in Poland that's about the most left-wing you'll hear publicly...
Saying that "Liberty" is broadly left-wing and "Authority" is broadly right-wing is quite reductive. There are plenty of leftists that care nothing for liberty, and plenty of right-wing people that do.
It's more comparable to the vertical axis on the Political Compass.
I was going to say this too. In fact, a lot of leftist policies can be (if taken to their ultimate extreme) authoritatian, such as policing speech.
I don't think liberty/authority is a right wing or left wing thing, strictly - it's completely different, and pretty independent. Both the left and right actually have authoritative and Liberal subcategories, they just happen to be different things.
Some examples for the left is heightened gun control, and an expansion on nationalised industry, which is technically authoritatian, but things like LGBTQ+ rights are obviously Liberal.
On the right we have reproductive rights being stepped on, which is authoritarian, but freedom of speech is (generally) far more protected.
It's all over the place!
A good example would be gun control, a more liberal view would be greater restrictions on this, whilst a more conservative view is less restrictions.
Yeah definitely. Nowadays It's nearly always the right who are fighting for/focusing on Libertarian principles
As far as Australia goes, the right wing party is more liberal and the left wing party is more authoritarian in most cases.
Free speech is considered "radical right wing" these days, so yeah, if anything TLDR has this axis completely backwards!
"Left wing" and "Right wing" are political marketing strategies; they each contain far too many contradictions to be considered consistent political ideologies. Real politics should be about the intricate details of government accounting, and of the contents of legislation and its likely effects, not all this childish "left vs right" nonsense.
Exactly, people should be looking at policy and content rather than labels. For example it's baffling to see someone like Jacinda Ardern in New Zealand described as "left" when her years in government contain no policy that can be described as such.
I love the way you recognize you have political preferences, and how neutral and unbiased your journalism seems to me. Not a journalist, just a humble member of your audience. I was categorized as a centrist on the 8-values test, which was not a shock since I consider myself a moderate conservative, and this rightwinger loves most of the content you post in your different channels.
Same with me. It's a welcomed change that someone in the media actually tries to be neutral and I appreciate it alot
Globalism isn't more left wing than nationalism, liberty isn't more left wing than authority. The only "left-right" axis are economic and cultural.
That depends on the country.
In some countries globalism and liberitarianism have a strong left/right assosiation while cultural isn't left/right at all.
and in some states one of those is not associated with left/right
(Look no further than Poland, where our ruling "right wing" party is definitelly socialist, but it's still called right-wing, because of its very traditionalist and nationalist views. Also it just so happens that they are authoritarian as well.)
@@Rude_i_Wredne Interesting, but also somewhat concerning.
I found out there that im a Christian Democrat here rather than Far left in 4 compass test
Lmao
@alphamaleadolph Cringe 😬
😂 intriguing. Ingot Social Democracy
Aah this is the right-wing media, clearly. Everyone who doesn't agree with them is a far-left postmodern marxist... Even (especially?) the milquetoast centrists. Overton window hasn't (yet) shifted everywhere, fortunately.
@@mmmhorsesteaks It’s just media in general from both right and left trying to make the other seem more extreme to isolate one another.
Left-right and up-down is too narrow to describe ideologies as well.
Depends on what you need the output for.
Sitting back, facing forwards
Doesn't make it bad at all.
No it isn't. You can easily describe every political ideology in the world using those axes.
My test put me basically where I thought I'd be; very centrist. The one that had the greatest push in either direction was on the diplomatic axis toward the nation, and even that didn't reach 60%.
Are you very centrist because you have very strong views that balance out towards the middle, or because you don't have any strong opinions on anything?
Christian Democracy, leaning left on Economy axis and interestingly hard left on the Diplomatic axis, considering I used to be anti-globalization, this is a little surprising (and in a shocking twist, those that brought me over have flipped...), and about equal splits on the Civil on Societal Axis
Though it seems like I may be in the minority for your audience, perfectly fine either way
Sounds fair enough, good on you. =)
3:34 - nationalist tend to be more non-interventionist and for generaly being the way USA was before WWs. e.g. in US Democrats are more likely to intervene in foreign countries.
Yes! Was just wondering about this then it popped up in my feed.
So on average your audience's results, when you put the numbers in and read the description, were social democrats, or the position of Labour.
Not that surprising really.
@El Dimos Karam *When the conservatives are more radical than you*
Why’s that not surprising?
@El Dimos Karam Considering the EU is relatively new and a force of change leaving it isn´t exactly bringing change rather than returning to a previous status quo.
@El Dimos Karam Being traditional doesn't mean that you refuse change, in a traditional mindset, change is okay as long as what is already there can be preserved or at least built up on within that changes.
It also doesn't necessarily mean being for the status quo.
@El Dimos Karam The actual EU was founded in 92. So no. Yes it came from the EWG but thats hardly the same especially before the 80s. Also the UK is obviously a lot older than even the EWG so are most member states actually especially if we don´t just look at the modern nation states.
To pretend as if going back to protectionism and closed borders is a move forward is ridiculous whether or not you agree with it. Brexit rhetoric is also all about going back to the good old days. It´s just nonsense that you are only voicing as political rhetoric not an actual position.
My results:
Social Democracy
Equality: 68%
World: 79%
Liberty: 69%
Progress: 79%
Trying to compare all these categories to the traditional left-right wing axis is quite a stretch
Yeah I was like 78% capitalist, 85% libertarian, 80% globalist and 66% progressive and I consider myself right-wing.
@@oifikd1 I think you are a classic liberal 👌
@@-M_M_M- Yes or a libertarian like their called in America.
@@oifikd1 Being pro freedom is now considered "radical right", the mainstream opinion now is that all communications should be censored, and nobody should be allowed to think for themselves.
@@Green__one Exactly! I've heard multiple left-wingers question freedom of speech, rule of law and western liberal democracies. Usually as "white supremacist institutions".
Do the 9axis test, it is even more in-depth and specsific
Try NEWvalues. The original 8Values equates social progressivism and globalism with small government
My results where exactly that of your average audience, no surprises haha
Just another sheep in the flock
@@thunderslug1066 strive to think for yourself
@@MelbourneMeMe What where your results?
@@MelbourneMeMe bit harsh, sorry he's not a tory I guess
@@progressionlab3428 haven't taken the test... but for a brief view: im anti-gun, pro-trump, pro-drug legalisation, pro-nationalist, anti-lockdown, pro-captialism, anti-woke... does that sum it up?
I think that the disparity in age for the economic axis of fans is because there’s a greater sample size of younger people on the channel than older than 45 but TLDR has that data not me lol 😂
Or there is no objective center and the person writing the questions can skew it any way they want
Thank you for the video!
I was 94% equality, 93% World, 84% Liberty, 92% Progressive
Equality: 65.4%
Nation: 55%
Authority: 52.3%
Progress: 59%
My results :)
Centist?
Oh man I did not get a good sounding ideology
When I did the test I was within 40 - 60% on each. PRetty centrist
Not sure about that, as you were centrist on a global scale, depending on the country you live in the bar for what is centrist would shift to either side.
@@herlescraft true but in fairness I didnt say centrist for my own, specific country
@@natecar1 true :P
See this is why I enjoy this channel. Would i likely disagree with your team and many of your subscribes? Yeah much so. BUT you talk about it adapt and change based on feedback. And man oh man do I learn a lot. Keep it up. I am a proud subscriber
I find it really interesting how under 25s and over 45s voted very similarly compared to the 25-45s.
When you wanted to help TLDR with taking part in the test and it labels you as a Right wing populist...
Lmao
To be fair, You watch:
Paul Joseph Watson
Akkad Daily
Nigel Farage (has a YT channel?! Huh. I guess it shouldn't be that surprising.)
Edit: There's probably one or two that I don't know.
@@jnliewmichael4235
Sargon’s moved on to a new channel called Lotus Eaters. It’s a lot like what Tim Pool does for American news only the Lotus Eaters are slightly to the right instead of being on the left like Tim. It’s pretty okay content but Sargon still has problems speaking off the cuff without putting his foot in his mouth.
Enjoy the club, watch out for the demagogues.
@@Bushflare
Where even is your Overton Window?
"Lotus Eaters are slightly to the right instead of being on the left like Tim"?
Tim's not even centre-right, he's plain right-wing, edging far right.
Tim Pool is as left-wing as Joe Biden's a socialist, North Korea's democratic, the PRC is for the people, and that there is no war in Ba Sing Se.
Not to mention Carl Benjamin.
Carl is far-right, no matter how posh he tries to make himself look and sound like.
This was disappointing, I was hoping you'd do more the data instead of spending most of the video explaining the test.
Same, this was very shallow. It would've been cool to compare sexes, ethnicity and nationality, class, education etc. and maybe discuss some of the commentary/feedback they got from survey participants.
3:09 I think the way this one was explained
showed the views of the slightly more extreme ones on the nation side while the slightly more moderate on the world side.
'The stronger the leader the better' and 'The stronger the leadership the better' are different things.
I once showed someone my test and they said that I just wanted the Turian Hierarchy from Mass Effect.
My results were:
Equality: 84.0%
Nation: 65.6%
Authority: 65.6%
Progressive: 71.6%
I'm from Vietnam. Economic: Social, Diplomatic: Balanced, Civil Axis: Moderate, Societal Axis: very progressive. Conclusion: Social Liberalism. Let's tell the result, AND where we're from, to see how folks around the world lean politically
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@@HungTran-gz5em right wing populism (probably only just), UK
That's a very loaded quiz.
I waited a long time for this.
Hardly surprising a left leaning media outlet has a more left wing audience.
On a personal note as you were describing each side of the spectrum I found myself equally rejecting and adopting tenets of both. For example, I am none-religious but believe science and tech advancement are key. I am traditionalist and not in favour of political correctness. I believe in having a much, much stronger military than the West (except the US) has now, but would always use it as a weapon of last resort after diplomacy and only believe we need an unbeatable military to force those who would use arms to the table.
I found most of it conflicting.
I was the same, I believe we need a larger stronger military but don’t think it should be used for intervention in foreign countries. I think essential services such as power / water should be nationalised but don’t believe in anti capitalism state aid increases and wealth distribution. There’s more than two sides to an argument.
I have to applaud the fact you seem (at least to me) to do an amazing job at staying impartial in your delivery of the news regardless of your generally left-leaning views. It's a real rarity in today's news-sphere.
Your channel is amazing and I enjoy watching even as a right winger :)
They're not impartial at all...
It would be enlightening to see what you describe as "generally left-leaning views", because I have seen many of their videos and noted no such stances. If anything they are very lukewarm and moderate on anything. Seems like you have the classic bias of someone that's extremely conservative and therefore sees anything different as left-leaning.
@@oldskoolmusicnostalgia Literally in this video they stated that they're left of centre(That's what the test was showing). Maybe you're so far to the left that you can't see it?
@@alm9322 except it was the subscribers who took the test
Brexit colouring book? Reminds me of a Billie Connolly take down of a heckler;
"Don't tell me how to do my job! Do I come to your rehab clinic and teach you how to finger paint?"
as a right winger, i really appreciate that you point out the problems of the political compass instead of abusing it. the one thing i have a problem with is attaching environmentalism to progressivism; from a traditionalist point of view, techno-industrial development is what causes environmental problems in the first place, and right decelerationists advocate for returning to small scale technologies, self-reliant communities, and regulating large-scale pollution/emissions/etc (this is, for course, not true for conservatives who are only really moderately traditionalist and value economic expansion more).
this solution goes against progressive/global approaches, but what the right approach is beside the question here. what's important is that environmentalism is not necessarily left-wing/progressivist, an it's just the circumstances of western mainstream politics that makes it so.
On this im a "Libertarian Socialist". On Githubs Politiscales I'm an "Anarchist Socialist". Hello from New Zealand
libertarian and anarchist are synonyms
Thank god there’s a continent between you and I in both directions…
anarchism is just a radical version of libertarianism
I just took both tests. I'm ec 2.63 and soc 2.0. So Libertarian Right. And for the 8 values test I got 58% market, 53% nation, 53% liberty, and 57% progress.
I think it''s more interesting that rather than just being more left on this channel most of you had scores/opinions far away from the center.
I think that the main problem with this test is that, despite having more nuance than the previous test, it groups together ideas that shouldn't belong in the same axis, an opposes other ideas that aren't contradictory as they are.
For example, this test includes both the support for regional and historical traditions and being conservative in politics in the same category of "tradition", and contrasts them with "progress". But the support of regional traditions and progress are not contradictory ideas. Most 'left-leaning' people would agree that culture and regional traditions (like festivals, rituals, celebrations, etc.) should be preserved, while at the same time dissagreeing with conservatism and supporting progress in all areas.
(I hope I was able to write clearly enough)
You should also try out the 9 axis test, that one is even more in depth
There is never going to be a perfect system to categorise people’s political opinions, but this is quite good. I take many views from the left and many from the right.
Ooo been waiting for this.
Edit, doesn't the nation/global axis get nationalism mixed up with imperialism? For example, you can be a nationalist and isolationist. Wanting to have a strong military but to defend yourself not to expand. And you can be a global pacifist but still be imperialist. An example would be the USA. They are obviously globalist but not pacifist and have an extremely hawkish foreign policy. Thats my only critique of the test tbh. Much like there is a difference between different forms of socialism and conservatism. There are different forms of nationalism. And imperialism is not the same as nationalism.
Another thing to note as well, your audience results might look left wing because those with right wing results, particularly anything traditionally right or extreme, will likely not put their results in. Out of fear of censure somehow, where as extreme left wing opinions are more "trendy", less controversial, so they are less dissuaded by expressing those results. You see this in voting polls too where the silent conservatives are not very quick to explain their views or who they will vote for, where are radical left wingers will happily because they don't get censured as much. That's why many polls are skewd before elections toward left wing candidates and the result not follow that poll trend at all, in recent years at least that seems to be the case.
Finally, I think the younger age group showing more right wing views is down to the millennial generation now being 45-25 years old. Where as gen z is now the under 25s. And gen z is the most Conservative generation since the war. Makes sense, since the new hegemony is basically progressives and Marxist liberals. The counter culture from our teens is the opposite, more traditional and Conservative.
How is Marxism mainstream and conservatism is counter culture? I agree that Liberalism is mainstream but Marxists and Liberals are nothing alike. The reason younger people are more conservative is probably because they can't remember the 2008 financial crisis.
Also the way you shared result was anonymously so you won't be able to be criticized for it
Good points but it's not strictly true that leftists don't face censure - what is 'trendy' is really more liberalism/centrism, which is called 'left' by the right, but actual leftists get censured all the time. It's certainly become more acceptable to identify as socialist, but it's still going to cause you significant inconvenience in many environments. I live in a far more left-leaning place than either the States or the UK, but even I can't outwardly identify as socialist outside of my friend group without negative consequences.
@@JustaRandomGuy890 by marxism I mean marxist thought. Most liberal ideology in Europe now tends to have marxist links or tendencies. I know its jot the same in America or to the same extent at least.
But in universities they are openly teaching marxist thought to students and many students are openly marxist in public and online because they dont face the same censure that their counterparts on the nationalist and traditionalist side of the aisle receive. The rise of candidates like corbyn and sanders are evidence of that, which no nationalist or traditional candidate has achieved in a long time.
And although results were anonymous, you submitted them online, those results can still be traced back to you, one way or another. Some people obvs do not trust sending in their results if they are controversial.
@@JustaRandomGuy890 The 2008 financial crisis was due to government meddling with the free market.
As an Australian, where every bit of right wing news is owned by the same guy, and knowing it's a similar situation in America, I'm not surprised that those seeking unbiased and independent news are typically on the "left". I know you'll get a lot of flack for having a lefty audience, but I genuinely believe that's a good sign of neutrality given the current western state of media, especially given there's still a significant "right" wing audience for your news
Wym all by the same guy.
Murdoch, Costello and Stokes are the three KINGS of right wing AU media
I fit between your team's right-left boundaries, and while that is a comfort, I am not averse to a challenge... which is why I enjoy your "bold statement" then "contra statement" pairings of videos on topics.
I disagree with your definition of nationalist/globalist. A globalist could very well support military intervention. For instance, an imperialist is inherently in favor of a more global system, just via different means than, let’s say, the UN.
Yeah I just don’t think globalist vs nationalist is a peace vs aggression thing.
Genuine question: doesn’t this mean that the commentary we get from tldr leans left whenever opinions an mentioned or is it that just the facts are mentioned which means tldr is still impartial?
They're left-leaning personally but try their best to keep their work factual and free from their own opinions.
They keep their own opinions out of their coverage yes, just they’re sharing their personal opinion which I think is very good so people can identify possible bias.
They definitely lean to the left and it is sometimes noticeable, but they do a really good job to remain impartial on pretty much all things
I think they are pretty fair and impartial but facts tend to lean slightly to the left. The right is associated with traditions and the status quo, but humans are always learning new things. Since we are always learning new things from new science and research, the traditional view is always going to be slightly outdated. That isn't to say the left is always correct or anything. However, if I say global warming is real, the is an objective fact. Yet some people see that as 'left wing'. In a political spectrum in which objective factual statements are considered left leaning, of course an impartial news source will sound left leaning.
Left wing news by a left wing team for a left wing audience. Does that make you the left wing version of GB News? 😱
57.7% Equality
92.8% Nation
79.7% Authority
81.2% Tradition
Closest match: Fascism
Well i can say i'm fully satisfied with the result.
I do wish you guys had told us you were going to keep updating the brexit colouring book. I ordered one and now its out of date. :/
Given the results of this, where does it leave your impartiality claims? To be clear, there is nothing wrong with having a bias, we all have them. Just be honest about it so people know where you are coming from.
Because they don't let their opinions affect their presentation of the facts.
This is them literally being honest about it.
I think they have been pretty clear in their videos what are facts and what is their opinion.
@@bapo224 I guess you are quite far left then.
@@mrsensibletimewastingarrog4185 omg I’ve been saying this for ages, they should just admit they’re left wing and stop trying to put out “we’re impartial” drivel. It doesn’t take a genius to look at their content and the comments to realise where they stand and the audience they pander to. 🤷♂️
@@mrjakeg9971 Yet every time they do something with less bias, the comment section is full of their supporters accusing them of being too far to the right.
That your team is left leaning is noticeable on your interpretation of the facts. What I appreciate about this channel though is that facts are presented with enough separation from the opinion.
Thanks for nice review! Do you know of any more rigorous (preferably scientific) papers/videos about this questionnaire?
I always lean HARD market (65-80) whenever I do this but everything else I have is pretty moderate, typically ranging from 55-65 on Liberty, Nation, and Progressive depending on how I’m feeling in the moment.
Oof, this test looks fundamentally flawed from the get-go as its axes don't actually represent ends of spectrums. Most of the axes compare apples versus oranges, rendering the results pretty meaningless.
Just take the very first one: The opposite of markets isn't equality since equality relies on quantification that markets can certainly provide. Therefore they're not opposites.
TLDR's criticisms of the questions asked in the political compass survey sounds like they might not understand the analytical background behind the test, but the adoption of this test sounds like they don't understand the results themselves.
I would say it does fit. There are parties who want a free market. Their policy ideas are for example
deregulation of ecological standards
deregulation of labour policies like working hours, minimum wage or employment protection
deregulation of the ratio of lended money and owned money (for banks)
But these policies bring more inequality between labour and capital and the deregulation of the ratio of lended money and owned money was a major cause of the Euro crisis of the early 2010s
@@derorje2035 That's factually untrue. That's just not how money works.
For example, policies that stand in the way of employment necessarily stand in the way of money flowing toward labor. Regulation of employment can in many cases directly lead to exactly the inequality that you are saying deregulation causes.
That's because these are apples and oranges. The connections between the two factors are not direct trade-offs in the real world.
And that's exactly why it's wrong to put them on the same scale.
@@volkris For this axis, your criticism is sound. A better distinction would be socialism vs. capitalism. Socialism being public control over the means of production and distribution. Capitalism being private control over the means of production and distribution.
But maybe the terms get thrown around too much where they didn't think it was a good idea to use them.
@@elwinowen5469 It's not just the terms though, the questions themselves aren't representing those 2 ends. The idea that socialism brings equality has been disproved by every economy that has ever tried it.
I'm a part of the leftist 69 percent
*nice*
"let us know what your results were"
ye looking now I don't think it'd be all too appreciated here
I am like the mayority of TLDR subscribers. I am so proud
I'm quite far in the libertarian right, but enjoy the nuance you guys give in the videos and that you try at least to be neutral in your commentary.
Greetings from Germany and keep up the good work :)
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4:59 Maybe "Rationality" is a term in this regard for something more specific, but is sounds like you just called morality and religion irrational.
Yep, bias.
I mean "faith" on itself is irrational so I could see the point being made there
I mean religion is irrational. The basis of Judeo-Christian religion is faith, the idea of trusting something that you can't see, prove or verify. If you could systematically prove your religion, it wouldn't be a religion it would just be the way the world works. I am not saying it is wrong to be religious or that it is bad, but at its core it is irrational.
First of all let’s distinguish rationality (drawing logical consequences from premises) from scientism (assuming only scientific evidence is real evidence). The latter is not rational per se, and not scientific, as it is based on unstated assumptions that even its proponents don’t follow in everyday life.
Christianity is based on the claim of a historical event (the resurrection of Jesus). Of course, if your premise is that resurrection is impossible, you will dismiss it. Yet there is much historical evidence about the behavior of early Christians, which is hard to explain otherwise - especially if you have any knowledge of first century Jewish culture.
@@MC-yt1uv The evolution of societies is dependant on trust and more abstract social complexes.
Systems of faith, honour, morality can be observed in any successful group, not even just humans.
It is rational to limit ones personal success and width of available options, in order to establish these as moral precident.
I am not religious, im not an atheist, I just don't feel i need it per say. However, the history of religions and other such social complexes is useful in developing a base understanding of human interaction, from which one may use the rational process of game theory, to determine a more nuanced basis for one's future actions, acting not just on the immediate impact of a choice or foreseeable personal consequences, but the concept of precident.
E.g. Killing, killing may appear in some circumstances on balance acceptable, but the broader impact of killing in such circumstances may cause significant damage in the future, justification in certain circumstances cannot be reliably contained. That does not mean killing is always wrong, simply the decision of whether on balance it is justified takes into account broader implications.
A Further example of this process:
The traully problems
In the imediate assessment, one cause of action may seem inherently far superior to the other.
However, when tested, people are extreamly hesitant to take actions of such imediate weight, and will often not act.
Therefore, it can be observed, having most people in a group being so hesitant to kill is beneficial to that groups chances of perpetuation, and that while it may lead to more deaths in the imediate situation, the general precident of not wishing to kill is more valuable.
The test described my ideology as social democracy
Man, I got emailed about this video, great reminder honestly, but I completely forgot about that :p
92.3% equality, 91.1% world, 86.7% Liberty, 94.9% progress
Yikes…
queen numbers
Team Libertarian Socialist!!
World communism. NOW
The little infographic at 8:38 is an example of why people think you have a degree of bias. You've presented support of authority as an atypical value for left wingers, but this is certainly not reality looking at both the modern day and the 20th century. This is why the political compass presents liberty/authority on a completely different axis to left/right.
actually pretty similar to the default answers, and i’m not surprised. people who watch these videos likely have a similar educational background and level and are usually young (due to youtube) and relatively tech-savvy.
Still love the page! Amazing non bias content!
I was today years old when I found out I was the far left liberal ive been making fun of all along.
lmao
Sorting the 8values into left and right is a incredibly contraproductive. It renders the whole video meaningless. Why?!?
@Puddin But that's it! This is a fake concept! It depends on the current political situation, and that's not a fix one as well.
I've started out as a conservative in Europe, in the US they said I am a socialist, and nowadays, after a hard right turn in my country everybody calls me a liberal, but guess what - my core ideas didn't change. The world did!
The 8values system is trying to explain the politics a bit more in depth, with more options to describe your beliefs. Sorting these values into left and right ones creates an even more simplistic view of the world, than the tradicional 4 axes (nationalist-socialist-autoritarian-libertarian) system.
Its good of you to be clear with your bias. It makes me able to be more critical of your videos on certain topics but still enjoy them.
I take issue with the how the tests places certain values, like "nation" and "world" (nationalism vs globalism) against each other as though they are polar opposites. In reality, one can be a nationalist, who believes that their country and culture are great, or even superior, and worthy of pride; and who believes in maintaining national sovereignty, whilst simultaneously believing in international political and economic cooperation. France is one of the most nationalist and patriotic nations in Europe whilst simultaneously being committed to liberalism, globalism, and being a major pillar of the EU.
Exactly. The idea of thinking you live in a great country has nothing at all to do with thinking you should intervene militarily in other countries!