The New Glasgow Subway Trains
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ต.ค. 2024
- I visited Innotrans 2018, where the new train that it scheduled to come to the Glasgow Subway in 2020 was on display, and it seemed rude not to make a quick video about it ...
The trains will be fully wheelchair accessible (using St Enoch and Govan stations), have 4 cars instead of 3, and you can look right out of the front of them due to a lack of driver!
More here: www.globalrail...
London: MIND THE GAP
Glasgow: MIND YOUR HEEAAADDDDDDDDDD
If it was Glasgow, it'd be
Mind yer heeeeeeid
London also has such trains, if I'm correct.
For anyone who’s watching in 2022: The new trains will be arriving next year apparently. It sucks that it’s been a long wait but looking forward to seeing them being used.
Yes I remember seeing this video years ago and it’s funny seeing how delayed it has become BUT there’s a lot of closures coming up in the next few weeks for “cabling” so hopefully we will actually see them in 2023.
Just confirm they are not coming, it’s 2023 halfway across the year
Any updates? I’m seeing this in 2023.
@@ilovelolsurprise3419rollout has started if you didn’t catch it!
@@ilovelolsurprise34192 trains in service
Just moved to Glasgow two weeks ago, can confirm they don't have these trains yet! :(
Dunno if you're still in Glasgow but they're not going into operation until 2023 :)
Its Glasgow nothing is ever on time but these will be 3 years late not going into operation untill the later part of 2023 cannar wait
I have seen them...
ye they’re still not here in 2023 and I have been in Glasgow since 1999
@@JGKGKARLIEGare they in operation yet?
Remember please, Geoff, that the Glasgow Subway is a narrower gauge and tunnel diameter than Standard, hence the restricted headroom! Also, since the trains go round in a permanent circle, (i.e. a kind of railway ‘one way’ system), there is no need for a cab at each end!
he knows that...
Wouldn't be the glasgow subway without a bottle of unknown beverage quietly sitting in the corner at 3:52 ;)
It normally tends to be Buckfast.
Bier an Bord! ;-)
cessnock at 2:22
Too right mate I saw a drunk guy on the platform he threw hist bottle down the tunnel and the subway crushed it like nothing another Monday morning to be exact
Glasgow Subway is already automated, although they have a driver who sits in the cab, gets things going and can drive if needed. Interesting that they're planning for potentially keeping that arrangement if need be. I was surprised when you said 4 cars, as the platforms are quite tight for the 3 cars, but the short middle carriages and the walkthrough train mean that you'll get a lot more space without having to rebuild the line (again) which is fantastic! I think they look cracking.
So like a few of the deep level line in London
I presume the greater number of carriages might be about being smoother in the corners? The Subway is pretty bumpy as the cars jostle around.
Yes, ATO is in use on the Subway, which is a form of automation. Manual intervention is of course required,but the trains usually do drive themselves between stations.
nah in singapore they don't have attendants on the train at all, its 100% driverless. staff would only enter the train to drive it manually when needed
Wow I felt claustrophobic watching that.
Yes, especially when I compare ours in Toronto.
@@SaturnCanuck fellow Torontonian here
Same! Makes the deep London Underground line trains look palatial by comparison!
Try riding the current early 1980s Glasgow rolling stock. Tall people must bend their heads even in the centre of the carriage. However Glasgow Subway is less crowded than London Underground & consequently feels less claustrophobic. I've ridden both & feel calmer & less rushed on the Glasgow Subway, in London people bustle you more.
They don't need these trains. Dig new tunnels for bigger trains.
Not a subway for tall people
Thankfully in Glasgow we're all short arses!
So if you're a big yin you're in trouble!
just yesterday i saw at least 2 men hit on the back of the head by the doors closing on a busy carriage.. not ideal
I always bump ma heed
It's fine no bother! Everyone in Glasgow has stumped growth due to malnutrition anyway!
Thank you for taking an interest in the Glasgow Subway, Geoff; it means a lot to see it in 2018 :-)
I'm actually gonna miss the old ones... i hope they keep at least one running on the line. They're super funky and I love the all orange cars.
I'll miss the "old" trains when they go. Love the Glasgow Subway, and the 70s rolling stock is part of the charm.
I watched a whole series of specials about the old cars / original underground, which concluded with the early plans for what was next, so it was really awesome to have this pop up in my feed! Thank you Geoff and Glasgow and TH-cam for the update!
wish I'd been there to see this too!
Shorter carriages have less overhang in curves so can be wider = greater passenger capacity!
London Underground might benefit from a similar train design, although of course there would be more intermediate shorter cars.
In general that's true, but in this case the trains are not wider than the old ones. The end cars are almost as long as the existing ones.
Your passion makes this so enjoyable even though I've never ridden a British transit vehicle. Also, Glasgow Metro cars are so adorable. Those narrow Victorian era tunnels make it seem like such a unique subway.
In the 1890s, when the line was planned, 6ft 3in was the height of the Glasgow Mayor or perhaps chairman of the Tramways Committee, and he is reputed to have said that it was tall enough for him so it should be all right for Glaswegians.
OH MY GOD! THEY ARE BEAUTIFUL! I live in Glasgow so I am super excited to see these!!!!
As someone who lives in Glasgow. This is a massive upgrade from the previous model, I will however miss the old springy seats that the previous model had.
I've seen 2 of those 17 cars being delivered. On country roads too! What a coincidence!
Please do some videos on the U-bahn while you're in Berlin.
and please tell us about the smell :) and the musicians ;)
I hope so, the Innotrans ticket includes free use of all transit in Berlin and Brandenburg zones A through C
Yes the U Bahn is magnificent
So many beautiful stations. The Schlossstrasse station is one of my favs. And then all of the stations along Karl Marx Allee are beautiful colours.
Feels like the right place to ask, is there any other TH-camrs that do such videos for Berlin metro system? Thanks
I was there on wednesday, and when I saw this train I immediately had to think of your video on the secrets of the Glasgow Subway! There was a small German woman who was so excited that she could walk around easily due to her height.
Looking great.
At the moment there are only two stations with wheelchair access, so looks like the will be expanding that.
Oh god it’s like a metal tube coffin... makes me feel anxious.
Do they make one for adults?
they are really nice actually
HaHaHaHaHaHaHa
@@solarsatan9000 WTF is wrong with u?
Trust me, Glasgow tube trains are far nicer experience than London tubes.
Suitable for asian
An amazing chance find. Thanks for posting.
I thought they'd only ever get three carriages at most to fit. Even if the middle ones are shorter, there's only a finite length of platform and there's some nasty curves like Cowcaddens. The old trains were getting on for 80 years old and used to bounce off the sides ( and rails too because some were that bowed in the middle ).
It's crazy to think that the cross section of the train can theoretically fit inside my bedroom
Come to think of it... it would've make a nice interior design prop, with an extra sound isolation and climate control. One downside tho... if you gonna turn it into a bedroom, the crumpedness of it inside, would make one more comfortable sleeping under it on the rails.
Unless you're not in hong kong
We are still waiting for them to enter service, thanks Geoff!
POV its 2022 and still not in use😂
2023 now 🙃
Hi Geoff, I've always been wanting to see you and I love all your videos. Every time I'm on a train I feel like you are on the same train just on a different carriage. Just in case I always go to every carriage so I don't miss a chance, haha!
Have a nice day.
The train looks absolutely fantastic! A wonderful machine! I don't like the idea of them going completely driverless, though.. ATO with an operator at the front is by far the best way for trains to run, in my opinion. I'm still excited on behalf of the Glaswegians though! Looks like it'll be quite the upgrade!
Very comprehensive look at the train. Nice and modern and I love the colour scheme
I hope that with accessible trains more of the stations will become step-free access. I've been on the Subway and many are impossible to upgrade without adding (or converting) a second entrance with a lift because the island platforms are narrow.
Yay for walk through carriages on the Glasgow Subway! I'm looking forward to travelling on those trains when they arrive. My understanding is that they will be driverless from the start with platform screen doors, but who knows it might be how Geoff described it instead :)
Geoff, do one an the Berlin U-Bahn and/or the S-Bahn while you're there. I would totally love your view on either or both. (U-Bahn = Subway, S-Bahn =aprox.= Overground)
Oh and welcome to Germany. :)
Love both the U- and S-Bahn
U-Bahn (underground/untergrund)
S-Bahn (street/straße)
The letters still match whether in english or german
@@sasailic3006 Wrong. S-Bahn is commuter rail. Trams in Germany are still called trams.
@@bfapple It's known as a Straßenbahn, also called Trambahn. Look it up. I was just pointing out an easy way to remember the U and the S.
@@sasailic3006 S-Bahn and Straßenbahn are two entirely different entities. Or have the DB Class 423s suddenly become trams?
we've had driverless metros since mid 2000's in CPH @ Denmark and all our trains and metros are these types where you can see all the way through the train, so cool and smart
Glasgow subway already use ATO and so the new trains in 2020. It's the reason the trains are having two cabs.
The Scottish government, the city of Glasgow and SPT are doing a major refurbishment with screen doors, refurbished stations and UTO. The new trains will be at this time transformed and the cabs removed.
I wish i knew you were coming! I was a host at the exhibition in hall 25 (right next to the outdoor trains), I could have hooked you up with some premium swag! Maybe in 2020? ;)
2020 and they still aren’t here :/
Why would you want those.
It may be short but what a Great video, Since Iam a Londoner living for the last 40 years in Glasgow. It the best of bboth worlds for undergound Trains! Love all your videos
Since Glasgow Subway has an inner-circle and outer-circle line, and the trains don't really go anywhere else, they'd only need a full cab at one end, and a reversing cab for depot use at the other.
Its about time the Glasgow Subway got extended with various new routes extending out into the suburbs and right through the city centre.
I have been saying this for years.
Driverless? Nice. Can't wait sit in the front seat and get a great view of Glasgow
SurfaceKrystal The views from the Glasgow Subway are quite amazing!
I remember seeing the current generation of trains in the Metro Cammell factory in Birmingham next to 73TS which looked quite large in comparison. However the 73TS was dwarfed by the Hong Kong Metro trains.
One thing that did not get a mention is that they are narrow gauge and the cars in berlin appeared to be sitting on some sort of gauge convertor that also raised them up - probably so people did not trip over them !!
1:43 So you dont know who designed the moquettes? I happen to work for that company :) Would you like a visit in Austria?
I absolutely love the UK’s cozy tube trains. Unfortunately, with my 6’4” frame, it would not be a long wait before my noggin would begin looking like a lunar landscape.
It's pretty impressive that Stadler have designed a train that 6ft3in Geoff can stand up in, when you consider the tunnel diameter is only 11ft.
It is an oddity too in the fact in runs on a track gauge of 4ft.
Your analysis of the amount of 'orange' on the seats was spot on, Geoff. My 'G' logo orange on the left, in contrast, has far too much.
The one time that the real thing was actually remotely close to the concept art
The new trains are quite wonderful and they still retain the 'brat' style doors which are also a feature on London Underground trains but more exaggerated (as the Glasgow trains have a slightly lower ceiling height.) Its good that they are phasing out the drivers as the trains can now be computer controlled. Though Geoff did mention a 'over ride' facility being maintained under the seats, so if there was a computer malfunction, a passenger could, in theory, access it and take manual control of the train in an emergency.
Absolutely not! A key is necessary to access the controls. Only trained drivers have the key.
I heard a rumour thaf "Geoff has left the London underground and gone to the Glasgow subway " on the tannoe
THE LAST TIMELORD, his next big challenge will be
“All Glasgow Subway Stations” squeezed into a 2 hour video.
Thanks the 5 bob tour Geoff. I really enjoyed it.
Interesting Glasgow calls it a "subway" not an "underground"
Because “The London Underground” is the name of the London subway system. The Glasgow subway system is just called the subway, and is nicknamed “the clockwork orange”.
@@idot3331 I'd always thought that the term "subway" in the UK meant a pedestrian walkway dug under a street. But Glasgow maybe does this because they are contrarian? Especially if it's a way of being contrary to London?
It's always been the Subway. Back when the line was built a cabled hauled underground train was known as a Subway (And the Subway was cable hauled when built). London had one too in the form of the Tower Subway (later replaced by the City and South London Railway which became part of the Northern Line)
those old LU mid-city stairwells into stations say SUBWAY on in many cases too.
@@railotaku Yes, according to Wikipedia, it was called the Glasgow Subway when it opened in 1896. However, in 1936 the company running it renamed it Glasgow Underground. The new name didn't stick as most Glaswegians kept calling it the Subway. Finally in 2003, the system was officially renamed back to Glasgow Subway.
looks pretty sleek and modern!
Nice looking train.
Wish US systems would adopt modern open gangway trains like there and here in Toronto, new subway trains in the US remind me of ours from the 80s.
Line 1 in Toronto is great with the open trains, I wish they were also on Line 2 (but I expect that will happen eventually)
New York is proposing it for their next new cars
Some US systems don't like you changing cars via the gangway (looking at you, Chicago and DC)
So the Glasgow subway currently uses ATO similar to the Victoria, Central, Jubilee lines etc.
Driver starts the train in motion, it drives to the next stop, driver opens the doors and monitors boarding and alighting. Then driver closes the doors and sets the train again.
The new trains will have drivers initially but, as I understand it, drivers will be phased out and PEDs will be installed.
That's what I've heard anyway.
"Priority seats for people over 6' tall"
The semi articulated design of the coaches and two different carriage designs are a novel idea to maximise capacity.
Stadler are designing some new carriage and train designs we've never seen before in the UK.
Look at the Flirt units for GA, and the separate short power generation car in the middle of the formation.
They certainly look at train design in a different way.
Looking forward to seeing their new designs on Merseyrail and Greater Anglia.
The Isle of Wight could do with some new trains most if not all of their trains are pretty ancient being 1938 London underground stock!
clearly you've never been to Sri Lanka
They'll probably get the Subways old stock, assuming the bogies can be adapted to standard gauge. Either that or some '92 stock (For the love of the Gods, *please*!!! :-) once TfL decides to cascade it down!
The only reason for LUL stock on the IoW is because of the tunnel south of Ryde St. John's Road. To this day I'm still surprised they havn't either re-gauged it or built a standard bore tunnel to replace it! :-o
This is an Amazing insight i look forward to seeing these in Glasgow, not a moment too soon really in need of a modern upgrade from those old 1970s trains... Thanks very much for this video!..
My understanding is that they're retaining having the driver at the front in a partitioned cab until the platform screen doors are installed- that's the reason for having the "temporary" cab, as it's felt it's safer that way?
There are 2 types of driverless train. UTO(unattended train operation) trains are designed to be left unattended, can automatically perform all duties, including operating doors and even handling emergencies are automated too. DTO(driverless train operation) in other hand, a staff on board is required to operate doors and manual override in case of emergencies.
sorry boom but what does that have to do with the conversation?
Looking forward to the new stock, the 1978-79 Metro Cammell stock served the Subway well, I hope the riverside museum will keep one car for preservation
Heared you on the thameslink train this morning
Me too - how did you get the gig...?
Xd you lucky guy
heard*
Very humorous how you mentioned the “mind your head” caution, as opposed to “mind the gap” caution of the London Underground:)
It looks pretty small, tight ... I can't imagine it being crowded
Oh it gets crowded alright, especially on match day
It doesn’t really crowd except matchdays
@@Claire-ue2oe That's not been my experience. I've been packed in like a sardine on occasions, early in the morning.
The seat pattern (I don't know how to spell 'macette') is essentially the same as the West Midlands Railway one, but circular. It's interesting how designs can be completely separate but extremely similar. Convergent evolution, well convergent design.
Moquette is what you are looking for :)
Oh my god, I was there too and I haven’t seen you :c
Servus Felix, Markus und Thomas aus Stadler! Jungs.. If you're watching, vielen dank nochmals for the tour at Innotrans und eine supertoll Abend in Berlin (West)! Sozialistische Grüße aus Glasgow! Eure Ossi-Schotte, Kris!
Yet I thought the Deep Level tube was small, that’s tiny
Great Video Geoff, waiting for that video in 2021 now!!!
You were at Innotrans too? nooooo, why didn't I know before 😭 but it was awesome anyways
Not bad
always excellent videos!
*HURRAY....* Finally a train for Midgets !!
picidily line
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Me being a daily subway person I love the new design of the subways. And it's about time we get new trains
I find it funny the disabled space, but there are no lifts to get wheelchair users into the subway stations, I think there is only two stations allowing for disabled access....unless they're adding in new lifts and modifying platforms
omg they're so smol, what a unique train!
Please add the platform doors asap, as just yesterday as a blind man with his dog fell off the platform, badly injured himself!
Thanks Geoff. Looking forward to seeing them in service in Glasgow.
I wish I knew you were at the InnoTrans :(
This video was filmed the same week I moved to glasgow, yet the subway still doesn’t have new trains
Why am I watching this? I don't even ride trains.
Oooh Im going glasgiw soon so it would be nice to get a ride before and after I love your videos by the way 😊
Could you do a video on the West Midlands Metro please? Thank you!
While we're at it could we have one on the Nottingham trams and on the Edinburgh trams where you can take your bike, please?
U know what. I live in West Midlands lmao and I said that on the secrets of the tram video
Nice train, Stadler do seem to be the go to manufacturer if you want something bespoke, tailored to your specific needs.
Not if you happen to work for Andrew Barclay of Kilmarnock.
Don't jobs count now? Just price?
I couldn't stand being on an underground where you cannot stand. Why was it even designed so low?
It’s the third oldest subway system in the world and has never been expanded. I think when they began construction in 1891 they weren’t to bothered about headroom.
Perhaps people in 1891 were shorter or had curved spines. The narrower gauge and smaller bore tunnels would have been less expensive to build. However, these trains look really smart and very functional.
quite funny, I returned from my holidays from london to berlin on 19th and thought to myself while on the train from the airport how funny it'd be to run into you. now, on sunday, I'm sitting here, and realize I had no idea how close my thought actually was to reality xD Hope you liked Berlin!
Nice looking train but until Glasgow underground adjusts it's time table to include more of the day then it's totally useless. There is no point in having nice trains if the underground is closed most of the time.
Tbf normally the subway is open from 0600 to 2355
Sundays are bad yes but its cause of all the maintenance they need to do these new trains and all the other work should improve that
You need an operating console at each end for moving them throughout the yards and in and out of the shops.
Please go to Amsterdam and take the Eurostar back home
They only run in the opposite direction for the foreseeable future.
HAHA )
Just left Glasgow and can confirm they STILL don’t have these trains
When do they make the full sized version?
I'm wondering if they're building them in a "condensed" form to cut down manufacturing and transport costs. Once delivered to SPT they'll be parked on the outdoor siding at Govan until the next rainfall rehydrates them and restores them to full size. ;-)
I'm wondering if they're building them in a "condensed" form to cut down manufacturing and transport costs. Once delivered to SPT they'll be parked on the outdoor siding at Govan until the next rainfall rehydrates them and restores them to full size. ;-)
@@ddragon8154 I believe you have to give them a shake as well to help them pop up to full size once wet.
"Fully automated by 2022..."
It's now early 2022 and they trains still aren't running! 😂😂
Hi Geoff, I think it would be good to cover why underground trains are so loud, I was on the central line yesterday and its ear splitting, why are some lines ok and others painfully loud?
It's just down to the age and speed of the line, the Central is one of the fastest lines yet it's tunnels date back to the 1900s so weren't built with as much noise cancelling equipment, so is very loud compared with the Victoria which runs at similar speeds yet it's tunnels were built 60 years later
Depending what causes the noise it can also be because the Central Line is quite curvy
National rail trains are quieter though. I feel tube trains aren't as well sound insulated as modern commuter trains. I noticed that I had bad hayfever this May and on the S stock, I coughed a lot but on the Class 700 or 350, I didn't, so these trains must also have air filters and stuff on them for cleaner air.
Pete S. That’s because tunnels echo sound a lot, especially the deep level tube. The S stock may be due to the air in the surrounding tunnels as they all have the same sort of air conditioning, or simply the passengers around you!
Alasdair Clift I disagree about the passengers. I had bad hay fever so had an itchy throat but I even noticed that on a London overground my allergies weren’t as bad as on a 1972 stock or S stock but worse than on a Class 700, the train must have HEPA filters or something. I feel I only noticed the air quality cause of my allergies. I think you are partially true but even a class 350 compared to a 319 is much quieter. I think though commuter trains are built with comfort in mind hence they would be more soundproofed than a tube train.
December 2023 : the first trains are eventually put in revenue service. I wonder why this took 5 years !
When "Mind Your Head" signage is needed, it indicates a design flaw!
The Glasgow subway, built 122 years ago, specifies that the height of the train be 2.65 meters from the rails upward. The height of the cabin floor was specified to be (at platform height) 0.70 meters. This leaves just 1.95 meters (6 ft and 4 inches) space from the cabin floor to the outside top of the train.
And you call this a "design flaw" - Oh dear me !
Still a design flaw, just a 122 year old design flaw.
@@PatrikKron No you fool. It was deliberately built that way. I travel on it regularly and once seated there's plenty of room. It's just very tall people who have to duck a little bit. But it's not a problem. I'm 6 feet 6 and I love the Glasgow Subway. It's the quickest way to get around.
Every time someone says "vestibule" it reminds me of Friends. ^^
Was it a vestibule? Maybe it's an atrium....
If they were in Australia they would be covered in graffiti as soon as they were rolled out.
Not true
Was looking for a comment on graffiti,this was in my recommendations 😂
As a Londoner who lived Glasgow for 4yrs I could not believe the subway hasn't been extended. It's unfair. Glad to be back in London...
extended to where? Glasgow is a relatively small city in comparison to London, you can get anywhere in the city in around 20 minutes.
@@garym5276 Don't be stupid. There's many places around the city for it to be extended. You clearly don't know how big Glasgow is.
@@garym5276 The Glasgow Subway only covers a very small part of the city.
I'm Glasgow born and bred, I know the entire city like the back of my hand and there is no need to extend the subway at all, where the subway won't take you a train will.
@@garym5276 It doesn't matter. The trains are always delayed or cancelled. The Subway is much more reliable. It should've been extended to the East End and further South to Shawlands, Pollokshaws, Govanhill, places like that. And it should've been extended further West and north as well.
#OrangeTrain
#PurpleTrain
#RedRocket
Stan Patterson ?
"Red Rocket" is the nickname for the subway in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. Everyone else is talking colors, so I figured it wouldn't hurt to kick in one more.... The irony is that the "Red Rocket" is anything but a rocket, but it is red.
Oh.
Those Glasgow trains look fantastic
Hopefully more room when heading to Ibrox to watch Rangers
I visited the Innotrans yesterday and I was quite surprised to see a British Underground because they are rare at Innotrans.
I hope the glasgow subway does not go driverless.
To bad
Or not to bad
That is the question.
Lel
It's happening. There's a clear plan in place.
Almost 5 years later and still no new trains in Glasgow! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣