The Guna Tribe: A Silent Battle

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  • @SailingNahoa
    @SailingNahoa  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

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    • @ALL_For_His_Kingdom3224
      @ALL_For_His_Kingdom3224 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Babel? It's not a myth. Research.

    • @wouterschijf47
      @wouterschijf47 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      In Dutch Babbel means kind of smalltalk, for instance: Babbelen= Talking, salut de Gwada, nice explaining your vision of life !!

  • @MaineUSA
    @MaineUSA 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +59

    The quality is so good, it's like watching a national geographic show 🎉🎉🎉🎉

    • @SailingNahoa
      @SailingNahoa  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Thanks! I'm glad you like the video quality.

    • @hamzahmatise3333
      @hamzahmatise3333 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      As always, usually its perfect - just to let peoples know 😊

    • @pimmelpammel
      @pimmelpammel 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      better, NG is fake news!!!

    • @ericd1084
      @ericd1084 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Natgeo only wishes their shows were this good.

  • @Mygangx2
    @Mygangx2 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +43

    I love how you always tell a story Ben. Really enjoyed this episode. Thank you for sharing this wonderful place and endearing people.

  • @dynamite6507
    @dynamite6507 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Your kids are getting such life changing experiences. Yaw are like the best parents.

    • @athuddriver
      @athuddriver 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I think a better term is "life shaping". I bet having the children along is life changing for the adults.

  • @LittlestWave
    @LittlestWave 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    How incredible to now get to experience one of your favorite places through the eyes of your kids!!

  • @MrJazz-yp9wg
    @MrJazz-yp9wg 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I am blown away to see Willa & Bodhi snorkeling and how confident they are. Congratulations Ben & Ashley as you both have taught them well. Beautiful video.

  • @nooneanybodyknows7912
    @nooneanybodyknows7912 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    I ain't as good as I once was, but I'm as good once as I ever was. RIP Toby 🙏
    Thanks for leaving Bodhi's meltdown and his Kuna bracelet wearing in the video. It's all part of life. I'm happy you're able to share San Blas with Willa and Bohdi before it's gone. Great storytelling. Thanks for sharing your adventures.

  • @timepasses3380
    @timepasses3380 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The snorkelling scenes with the kids were awesome. I love Willa's confidence in everything she does.

  • @hanazielke178
    @hanazielke178 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I got choked up when Ben mentioned the full circle moment of showing their kids a unique and different cavillation that they had already experienced; how it is to re-experience it through their children's eyes. I love the narrative of these videos!!

    • @SailingNahoa
      @SailingNahoa  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Aww. Thank you 🙏 Sometimes don’t know what to say because we’re in it. Kinda like fish in water but occasionally get close to saying the right thing 🤙

  • @duanefern
    @duanefern 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    Your adventures are beautiful and you have a beautiful family. Thanks for sharing with us.

  • @gisellepuchiorta8783
    @gisellepuchiorta8783 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I really enjoyed watching this segment. My mom is Panamanian. Seeing the people from the Guna tribe took me back to my childhood, when we used to visit our family in Panama. Thank you for sharing your journey. I'm looking forward to when we sail to Panama (next year) and cross the canal into the Pacific.

  • @JenJenANDChrissy
    @JenJenANDChrissy 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Delos crew spent over a month there and I was so jealous! I can easily see why cruisers love those islands.

  • @Andy-dt8jg
    @Andy-dt8jg 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It's kinds sad seeing such small islands with one family on each in their own little paradise, but then surrounded by so many "first world rich" boats. But then you show them selling things and setting up a restaurant for cruisers. Very difficult balance, and well presented in the video I think.

  • @SingleSpeed427
    @SingleSpeed427 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I dont know if it's the island, the lighting, the camera, color grading or what.. but the footage in this video is beautiful. I had to stop and make a couple of backgrounds. Especially when you first get on the island and your talking about how its you favorite place... the sun coming through the trees. I know it's tough, but the stuff that you guys share with us is amazing.

  • @Jason-xb3jh
    @Jason-xb3jh 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    It is so cool that you have chosen a less conventional way to live life and raise your family. The education and life experience that your kids are getting could never happen in a classroom. There are trials and tribulations everywhere. “Ce’ la vie”
    We only get one shot at life and it is so exciting and interesting to have a window in to your adventures and life journey. Thank you for sharing. 🙂

  • @myparadiseonbantayanisland9030
    @myparadiseonbantayanisland9030 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Sand bar islands come and go, i have lived on bantayan island in cebu philippines for about 13 years and seasonally we get huge amounts of sand depositing in the size of several hundred meters or more and then the next month they are gone and in a few months they are back again. The ocean hasn't risen or lowered it just moves sand around from here to there and back again, nature will always do what it wants when it wants to that's the beauty of it🏝️😁

  • @TammyBillings-qt1ve
    @TammyBillings-qt1ve 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Beautiful islands. I really enjoyed the video, the kids interacting with the locals is amazing. The difference you show from last time is WOW! Love your videos.

  • @roadrunner6103
    @roadrunner6103 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Most beautiful thing to watch in this video.
    FAMILY.
    CONGRATULATIONS TO MOM AND DAD.

  • @h.v7461
    @h.v7461 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Glad you enjoyed your second time around in Panama with now your kids. At least no car accidents to deal with this time. Wished I would have met y’all in Casco Viejo since I live here now. Enjoy and have a safe passage to FP, another paradise location. Visited Papeete, Moorea and Bora Bora last June. Cheers 🍻

  • @loisphillips5826
    @loisphillips5826 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Really enjoyed the video. San Blas looks beautiful. The kids are sure growing up fast. ♥

  • @QWTrucker
    @QWTrucker 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Your kids learn more about the world than kids in a school system. It’s amazing how much viewers learn from you which is amazing thank you guys for the adventures. I wish babel had Tagalog ,Waray and Bisayan

  • @martha5656
    @martha5656 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Truly beautiful video. Is always pleasure to be part of your journey. Love and blessings from England 🩵🫶🌊☀️

  • @paulinemarino2036
    @paulinemarino2036 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Ben's an incredible narrator! Fantastic episode guys...loved it!!!❤

  • @diDaN75
    @diDaN75 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Beautiful island. The video is awesome and takes it to the next level.. Thank you

  • @alexwolf2243
    @alexwolf2243 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You two are awesome giving your kids the best life along the way of your adventures

  • @mikestevens9455
    @mikestevens9455 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You can never step in the same river twice, can never go home again etc. Life is Change and adventure lies at the edge of your comfort level. A Donf Nahua !

  • @kencarter3616
    @kencarter3616 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Your family always makes me smile.

  • @thill6771
    @thill6771 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Aweaome video, thank you so much. My wife, 9 y/o son and I visited San Blas on our way to the Canal - 47 years ago. We spent a month among, what were then, our first indigenous people. They prepared us well for the S Pacific.
    I am sitting here under two framed molas purchased from the ladies there..... Old folks now, married 60 years.
    Your children add SO MUCH to your video. (Thank them for us.) Great work!

  • @davidhoneycutt2767
    @davidhoneycutt2767 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    After watching your videos I have a smile on my face and a warm heart😊 Love seeing the places you travel. Beautiful family ❤

  • @narrateanewtunnel2352
    @narrateanewtunnel2352 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    FANTASTIC video ❤
    Thank you for sharing your travels with us!

  • @skiyogagirl
    @skiyogagirl 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thanks Ben and Ash for taking us along on your adventures! The kids looked like they were having a blast…the part where Ash is filming and Ben is walking along the shoreline with Willa and Bodhi in the background is so sweet…also love how the kids are swimming so well!! Beautiful scenery and that ceviche looks incredible! Thanks again!

  • @glynwillmoth7617
    @glynwillmoth7617 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    So natural the kids love it I can picture you guys finding a an island and setting up home !

  • @tonyankele2903
    @tonyankele2903 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You guys are my fav. Thanks again. What a beautiful family. Thanks for sharing your adventures. 😅

  • @dianegarcia6562
    @dianegarcia6562 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What an amazing life you have. How many children get to experience such adventure and beauty. Beautiful!

  • @AngelinaManolo13
    @AngelinaManolo13 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wow... Was für ein grossartiges Leben ihr habt... I love it ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

  • @Jeffrey-ed8sz
    @Jeffrey-ed8sz 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Big LOVE to the finest ambassadors on YT.😊

  • @janinefall5432
    @janinefall5432 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thanks gorgeous bringing us with you to san blas!

  • @mollytal7099
    @mollytal7099 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Love the “reality” of waking up at 5am 😅

  • @monicacordell7701
    @monicacordell7701 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Beautiful Video...amazing drone shots! 🌴🌴🌴

    • @SailingNahoa
      @SailingNahoa  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Hey Monica!

    • @monicacordell7701
      @monicacordell7701 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@SailingNahoa 🥰 Love the Nohoa Crew and my Panama Canal mates!

  • @stanhigh
    @stanhigh 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Such a positive video. Love how the kids are enjoying the water. Thanks

  • @davehubbard6075
    @davehubbard6075 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This place is so incredible thank you guys for Sharing This with us definitely a place I would love to see the simplicity and simpleness of life.
    Makes it so beautiful.

  • @Calusa.Wanderer
    @Calusa.Wanderer 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    To do it with the kids. What a gift! You guys, Delos, two of my favorites.

  • @TheHouseboat1
    @TheHouseboat1 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Amazing, I love how you are raising your children, how fabulous!

  • @yesbigfootyes6902
    @yesbigfootyes6902 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    THANKS FOR BEEING YOU 🐝 ++++ REALLY ENJOYED YOUR SHARE

  • @Kathleensailorgirl
    @Kathleensailorgirl 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Beautiful video 😊 thanks for sharing your amazing adventures. Prayers continue for your safety 🙏🙏⛵️⛵️⛵️🥰

  • @amykoviack1836
    @amykoviack1836 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Your kids are precious. Love seeing them explore and do fun things.

  • @CopyCatGarage
    @CopyCatGarage 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The kiddos are growing up so fast! I absolutely love how comfortable they are around the water. A couple little fish, And then to see Bodey steer the dinghy.

  • @krisnace
    @krisnace 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Wow what another beautiful and fantastic video I love seeing your kids in the water snorkeling with you how old are they, what an amazing life they have growing up on the water with their mama and papa and experiencing all these beautiful things. When your hubby said one day the kids will be down diving deep and snorkeling to get lobster ect I thought wow what an amazing life to grow up with your kids. You all stay safe out there and may God bless

  • @michaud399
    @michaud399 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What a life your giving your children iam so proud that your Canadian and are representing us to the world. You guys are amazing I would love to sail around the world but to poor and starting to be really disabled by arthritis and inactivity the less you do the less your able to do. Wish I would have sobered up when I was young enough to have travelled with all that oil patch money I pissed away. But thanks to you I get to travel vicariously through you guys. Thank you so much.

  • @jmsask
    @jmsask 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It’s hard to believe how fast time goes by. Thanks for sharing your experiences with us

  • @clmerrif
    @clmerrif 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Another great video, thanks!! My TH-cam dream would be a crossover with Nahoa & Delos. Would love to see the kiddos play together 🥰

  • @shadowgirl393
    @shadowgirl393 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Willa is such a good swimmer!❤

  • @taffythegreat1986
    @taffythegreat1986 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    There’s a name for it. Because these islands are sand, the islands are actually sinking. That’s why they’re disappearing, nothing to do with global warming as some suggests. it’s so sad to see this happening anyway. Love the video👍👍

  • @seventhdayissabbath8747
    @seventhdayissabbath8747 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love seeing the out of the way places that Nahoa sails to, even though it might be a challenge to get there the reward looks to be amazing and it looks to be a, lower your blood pressure experience! The slowed down peaceful life when you're at the unpopular out of the way places has got to be worth it all!! Thanks for sharing.

  • @gaiaocracy
    @gaiaocracy 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    ❤seeing you swimming with your Kidlets tickled the cockles of my heart~provoking a delicious memory of the time when my son rode on my back when he was learning to swim~thanks so much for sharing❤

  • @victoravram3678
    @victoravram3678 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Felicitări, sunteți minunați Vă admir modul în care vă creșteți și educați copii RESPECT ❤

  • @roadboat9216
    @roadboat9216 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wonderful video. We were anchored in that very spot! Wow, brings back memories. We loved it so much that we stayed nearly a year. There were No Facilities there. No support of any kind. You were completely on your own. We would see occasional other yachts. One or two here and there. But still relatively pristine. We had a young Kuna man live on our boat with us as we cruised their islands for several months. He spoke Spanish and some English. Me the opposite.
    And you are so right. For all of the cruising that we did, the.San Blas were VERY special. Thanks again for the fantastic memories. We have followed you ever since the beginning of your journeys. And will continue. Your product just keeps getting better. PS. we bought molas 23 yrs ago FOR TEN DOLLARS!

  • @NunYaBizNus1
    @NunYaBizNus1 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Oklahoma here!! wow !! Absolutely gorgeous!! I’ve never seen the ocean and I’m 62!! I enjoy watching your channel !!

  • @mindyourownbizness
    @mindyourownbizness 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You guys are TRUE story tellers…thank you for inviting us into your lives. You are truly LIVING the dream❤

  • @ldirk58601
    @ldirk58601 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Gosh your babies are growing up so fast! This was wonderful! TY!

  • @ejs6010
    @ejs6010 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The world is a beautiful place - nicely stated. Watching the kids swim and snorkel was amazing. Safe travels.

  • @alimcally279
    @alimcally279 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yes, beautiful! Watching your babies snorkeling was the best!
    Please, when you go thru the Panama canal let us know if it's true that the water level is dangerously low.

  • @FunsongsMusicByPeterRahill
    @FunsongsMusicByPeterRahill 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Maybe my favorite episode so far. Have had to hit 'replay' and shared it a few times.

  • @jenniferrolph8213
    @jenniferrolph8213 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love watching your videos. What a wonderful adventure you are on! Such great memories for your kids. Watching from Edmonton, Alberta and enjoying every minute. Well done! Safe travels!🥰

  • @DYoung-vt8pq
    @DYoung-vt8pq 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love you guys and love watching your children grow! Safe travels. ❤

  • @LeeYvesMexico
    @LeeYvesMexico 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    ❤ wonderful video of family and culture of San Blas. Thanks, Nahoa family ❤

  • @willevallas
    @willevallas 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Beautiful place ..thanks for sharing ❤

  • @Chris17198
    @Chris17198 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You are living life to the full … fore filling your dreams .. making memories.. and giving your children the absolute best possible start to life .. like you said these islands are paradise…so inspiring…🫶🏻

  • @Joe-zt7ef
    @Joe-zt7ef 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I loved this video and you guys tell the story so well, you always put a smile on this old guys face :)

  • @hrhplease9119
    @hrhplease9119 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    One of your BEST VIDEOS YET ‼️Absolute masterpiece ‼️

  • @Kiwi_Mike
    @Kiwi_Mike 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Following along now for a long time from New Zealand.
    Really nice to hear your intro music again I feel like I haven't heard it in a long time.

  • @moesailing6008
    @moesailing6008 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Your a natural at story telling Ben. 💌It! Can't wait to visit San Blas and always, always appreciate how respectful and curious you are with locals as you circumnavigate.

  • @mel_streetz2372
    @mel_streetz2372 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love following your journey❤️

  • @musictheoryexcel7578
    @musictheoryexcel7578 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Beautiful Video, Beautiful People. Thank You Ben & Ashley.

  • @sailingcalmedbythesea7495
    @sailingcalmedbythesea7495 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you so much for sharing this. We have followed you for many years and love your rawness yet professional approach to video production. I must say though this episode is next level. Great work guys. ❤

  • @raulsarmiento7326
    @raulsarmiento7326 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Incredible - visiting after 7-8 years. My favorite YT channel

  • @FunsongsMusicByPeterRahill
    @FunsongsMusicByPeterRahill 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    5:33 - cool video perspective: "The Dive" segment; but the drone footage, surveying the area-scape, is still my favorite.
    And then there's 7:23 - "It's a 'Sailors' Paradise'..." You might have to trademark that one.

  • @remiewatkins8032
    @remiewatkins8032 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Awesome video stay safe Blessings and joy to you all

  • @hexhex7220
    @hexhex7220 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Life is beautiful....thanks for showing us

  • @christinejohnson1371
    @christinejohnson1371 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This was a great episode!!!!! I love that Body is snorkeling with the family now. You guys are parenting the right way!!! And that was the funniest ending to me!!!! My mom would drive us kids crazy with all the pictures and Ollen Mills Studio photo shoots! But, we all have amazing photo albums!!!

  • @Tjoops1
    @Tjoops1 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Guys, fantastic show. Thank you so much for sharing, makes this old man's heart filled with joy and peace. And remember: The Greek philosopher Heraclitus is credited with the idea that the only constant in life is change.

  • @jorgegorina3039
    @jorgegorina3039 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What an amazing video. Truly touching. I clearly saw how much you guys love this place. Sad to hear it’s slowly disappearing. Thank you for sharing.

  • @luckydog-js3nf
    @luckydog-js3nf 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You guys are amazing , your children will grow up to be well rounded humans ready to contribute hope for future
    generations

  • @tinacatharinaeden2711
    @tinacatharinaeden2711 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This was such a beautiful episode. I love watching your travels, especially these awesome places that not many people get to experiece. The items the people were selling are so beautiful. I love the bracelets as well. Works of art. The kids are learning so much and are so incredibly capable for their ages. Much love! ❤️❤️❤️❤️

  • @iznasen
    @iznasen 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A story worthy of 1000 awards. Respect Man!

  • @tonyankele2903
    @tonyankele2903 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Beautiful. I really enjoy you and your family. What a great time. It really makes my day to share yours. Thank you

  • @joshuaash2494
    @joshuaash2494 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You guys always take a beating for putting everything on display for everyone to see…. The wife and I was just say how bangingly awesome Ashly is looking! Forge the hatter keep getting after it you guys rock!

  • @jayomjarmo
    @jayomjarmo 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    one of the best clips from your family, thanks for sharing !

  • @johnross440
    @johnross440 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ben and Ashley, This has been one of your Best videos in a while, enjoyed every minute… John and Penny… Ontario, Canada

  • @lazzj4995
    @lazzj4995 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Totally absorbed in this video. Thank you for bringing is the broader story of the San Blas islands. I didnt even realise they were populated in any way. I can’t believe you are already half way to F.P. Cheers to fair winds and lots of crafting

  • @nxnwill23
    @nxnwill23 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    the video i watched before this one was of a couple who do holiday blogs with their little son ,about the same age as buddy . Their son was on his tablet most of the show , it brings joy to my heart watching your two.Good sailing for you all , nic

  • @donnalangiewicz1084
    @donnalangiewicz1084 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I haven't watched in a while and I'm sure glad I watched today I love to see the family all together enjoying the beautiful world that the Lord has made God bless you stay safe out there Madagascar is some of my favorite videos

  • @billgardyne7328
    @billgardyne7328 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you for sharing your observations through beautiful story telling.
    Your insight into how rising sea levels are affecting traditional Islander people disproportionately is a subject worth sharin. There are already tribes in the tropical Pacific that have had to relocate, and it must be extraordinary sad for those who have had to leave such beautiful places, and end up working harder in a city.
    I hope that you can experience the beautiful nature of the Solomon and Bougainville Islanders on your next circuit of the globe.

  • @deevan2489
    @deevan2489 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wonderful family experiences❤

  • @Wendykim771
    @Wendykim771 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I like your kids. they grown so fast❤❤❤❤

  • @yvettedale6072
    @yvettedale6072 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Omg look how them kids are swimming now that’s absolutely amazing. Living their best lives 💕

  • @beedonn9260
    @beedonn9260 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hey guys I love you guys, I've been following your Channel from the beginning I want to tell you I had an absolute Out of Body Experience this is going to be very hard to explain but I'm going to try and do my best. I just had a life's flashback experience on when I was 4 5 years old and I was holding on to my father's shoulders with my arms around his neck and he was swimming with me in the Sea of Japan. I've not remembered that forever. It was actually kind of heartbreaking because my father's been gone since 98. I've not had that thought or that memory forever

    • @SailingNahoa
      @SailingNahoa  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Wow! Thanks for sharing this!! I'm sure there will be a lot more shots like this as we head across the South Pacific and show our little ones the life under water there.

  • @kristiwalters3164
    @kristiwalters3164 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Really enjoyed this content! Thank you! Love watching your little family❤

  • @janeconnors1807
    @janeconnors1807 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A beautiful, real video

  • @louis220558
    @louis220558 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great stuff nice to see the changes after 8 years