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I'm so glad im not the only one noticing how his Dash will flatout not reset sometimes when striking marked targets. Extremely frustrating to do everything right and the game just goes "lol nah"
no for real, i thought i was just tweaking out for no reason, i had to take a break cus it was just stressing me cus it was happening a lot to me, i have yet to get back on the game which sucks cus i actually really do like it
Playing BP is playing the game on hard mode. Pretty much his whole kit makes you out yourself in danger at all times. Every time I play Psylock I feel like I'm cheating with how easy it is to get value and kills with her. I think BP is the most fun but my God you have to never make a single mistake.
The "phantom mark" / dash-not-resetting is related to the game's servers; the spear > mark > dash sequence has desync issues with the game server. In most cases, the server will register the mark quickly enough, but sometimes there are hangups. This issue is usually the game's server's application itself, not your (or their) network. I believe there will be an imminent client+server update which will help with these sort of bugs. Turn on the "Show Ping" setting and you'll start to wonder: Why are there such a large variance in ping (California varies from ~50-120ms)? If you lock your game to a region, the ping should be relatively stable -- period. The variance in ping times for a single region often indicates issues within the game's engine's code. Why do ping spikes happen so often? Besides having just a large variance in baseline ping, game to game, there are also frequent ping spikes. More common than any other game I've played tbh. The saving grace is that the netcode seems decent. The ping spikes are smoothed out well and they're not as noticeable as in other games.
Im just fine with how difficult and punishing it is to play BP, but heres my take: for how difficult he is, he should consistently be the best duelist in the game. I personally find Panther to be the toughest character in the game, yes including Spiderman, which I love, but we shouldnt be rewarded for that effort with a mid-A tier hero. Given how much a BP player has to do in order to accomplish what Hela can do by clicking twice, I feel like he should do a bit more damage, be more consistent, have better matchups, etc. Im glad Im not the only one expecting some qol changes for my boy
Yes it’s like the game punishes you for playing with the hardest character. Then scarlet witch can come through and blast the whole squad with one move.
Glad someone’s finally talking about this. We just need some to feel some consistency from the game itself as we get more consistent and improve as Black Panther. Tired of getting robbed. Kinda hard not to tilt and play worse for the rest of the match when you get 2, 3, even 4 instances of false feedback on the dash in a row if it’s an especially rubberbandy lobby.
I thought this too, but you can put the video on 0.25 playback speed, you can see the mark on top of hela way before the dash even connects. So the game already registered the mark on her.
Hawkeye really needs to be tuned down. Makes no sense that literally 1 arrow headshot is a insta kill. Bro literally can aim 5 feet outside a hitbox and from 200 yards back to get 1 shots.
The way Hawkeye is designed, he’d be unplayable if he couldn’t one shot. Super diveable, no utility in his ult or a storm arrow like hanzo from overwatch, and have you seen black widow who is at least a hitscan sniper?
@@YMan-zo5kg Blackwidow doesn't have a parry without a cooldown and can't take one shot. she cannot continuously shoot at you because of the bolt-action rifle she has
Dash cooldown yes. Also why do Luna and Mantis have speed boosts? If you miss a dash you can basically just kite BP to death. It’s stupid. Supports shouldn’t have longer range combat and faster default mobility at the same time. Melee characters should have speed boosts if anything.
Personally: -Comparing to hawkeye and hela seems kinda unfair since they are the obviously top 2 dps and permabanned in ranked for a reason -Dash cd buff would be loved but not super needed imo -The dash register/reset bug is absolutely needed, got so many clips of dashing through 1-3 marks where both the sound and vfx come out and I just die bc of no dash -Twirl is definitely the worst part of his kit maybe a speed buff would work -Personally I believe a dmg buff even slightly would be crazy good since right now any support is able to self heal the combo if they react quickly and if the other support turn around they are unkillable - Personally I dont have a problem with Luna snowball since its slow cast + hard to hit (unless they target your twirl), mantis aoe sleep on the other hand is kinda bs sometimes - Funny enough my favorite part about those ccs is that they are meant for divers so they do nothing against again hela/hawkeye (or another range dps which they are usually better than divers) so another reason those 2 are super good since they dont even have to get within range of enemies cc
I left a lengthy response in the "what dont you like" within the last survey about the same bugs and how godlike the healers are. I told them to check their statistics, that I bet the most mvps goes healers😢
You can also see the 3rd person reticle issue is with Magik, if you dash aiming with the right side you'll miss but if you aim super far to the right, even on the other side of her character model, you'll hit. Honestly I don't use the reticle for anything but her magic slash anymore.
I think they should: •Increase the Vibranium Mark duration by about 1.7s •Increase his overall damage output •fix all his bugs •Make it so he gains a tiny bit of Armor/Shield after dashing a unmarked enemy so his kit is not so unforgiving
Yeah that black panther glitch with the dash and you hear damage is actually killing me lmao ive thought of switching different characters bc of it but black panther just to fun
Glad one of the top black panther content creator spoke about the issue. Everytime i go on tiktok mfs be saying oh you suck he’s really good at flanking. Like I Know good panthers make it look like he’s a really good character but you need to make sure all the dps are equally or atleast close to one another in terms of value. Black panther needs a buff period.
Broski, 6:22 you can CLEARLY see Strange blocking your spear with his shield. But i agree with you with everything else. But remember characters with shields can block your spear.
I thought I was going crazy, I have a couple clips of dashing through 3 people with marks, getting the hit marker sound thing and for some reason my dash is completely gone. If it weren’t for that things would be so much better
This is why I say Black Panther should be a 5 star, bc he's complex and he's pure ambush, if they see you coming that ut most of the time......and THANK YOU! I thought I was the only one that noticed, some times it either won't mark, even when you hear it, but no mark, and no refresh. BP is nothing with out the dash
I would really like some accessibility options for the vibration mark. shit is so small and it's so hard to see, maybe there could be a purple outline for everyone marked or something
Im ngl the dash not resetting just looks like it's because you're dashing too early and hitting the opponent before they get marked by the spear. Spear throw probably has a windup time whether or not you animation cancel it which is why the mark application looks like it's being delayed. I don't play Black Panther though so it's probably worth testing out at least. Edit: It could also be a ping issue where the mark registering is server-side, but the dash reset is client-side, which would explain the disparity in the reset timing. Worth checking too
No, this happens a lot even if you dash really late. Pretty sure it’s a matter of the servers being laggy. You’ll see that you definitely dashed through a target, you’ll get the hit confirmation sound, but you lose the dash. Then you look at a killcam and see that the person you dashed was in a completely different location than where you saw them at the time.
@@turi5959 not sure how that all works, but all I know is that I don’t have any problems like that in Overwatch, so I’m sure it’s something they can and will polish off in upcoming updates.
As a panther main I think he is fine he should be punishing if u miss 1 ability I mean u legit take there back line but the dash sound and not resetting is decently annoying
BP gotta be my fav hero hands down, its at least comforting to see other people having the same glitch where the Vibranium mark doesn't reset the dash when I CLEARLY get the sound queue. But its alright, why spend all that time and investment into improving when you can just hold LMB twice on someone's head as Hela or Hawkeye. I don't want to see any heroes get nerfed, I think that's what would really kill the game, but I don't know how they could rework them without any obvious nerfs.
I know BP is suppose to be hard but DAMN missing your Dash is DEVASTATING. if your E doesn't get you out you're just dead on a deserted island. If you're not dead without your dash you're just useless so you're sitting near a corner waiting. I wish the cooldown was 7 seconds at least
That's why I've stopped playing BP in the higher ranks, he just too inconsistant. The ability resets, the cooldowns, & the counter dive abilities are just a little to powerful
So glad to see this being noted cause I have hours of footage just screaming about dashes not resetting or the god damn aim in this game being sooo wonky, spears not marking lol Ive had to go back to watch the stream cause I know I played it perfectly and Ill see one of the 5 major bugs Just hit D2 playing BP only and i was just sayin how when the general aim gets fixed and dashes reset everytime Im definitely getting D1 maybe even GM Now give me better cooldowns and oooooooh we are eatinggg
Ngl it does happen, but your first example is bad Replay your clip slowly with Hela u didn't actually hit the dash you missed look at the damage. It was a case of the sound being off giving you the sound of actually hitting it but the dash never connected hence the low damage to Hela and her mark still being on her head.
Dude i wouldn't mind dash being buffed, but more than that, i want the kick to actually feel worth the button press. Either reduce kicks cd to 6 sec, or better yet, when you dash, 5% of the total damage dealt should be generated as a Kinect charge, and released by kick and reduce its cd by 2 sec. Make it the new Panthers cunning passive, and roll half the damage granted from the old passive into his baseline damage.
Although I agree Panther needs bug fixes and maybe a cooldown buff, complaining about cc is kinda stupid. No cc and Panther would run wild. Also arguably an s tier character even with the issues when he’s got a dive comp around him.
My friends told me Im just bad for saying I get noregs on it 😂 Glad Im not alone with this take (old CS team, so they all understand the pain of noregs lol - just making fun of it for sure)
I love the shit outta playing black panther, and the unbalanced gameplay is what makes it fun with all the creativity with characters combining abilities. But BROTHER if I die again because I missed a dash or I'm out of abilities, or a get one or two tapped by hella and Hawkeye. I'm gonna fucking lose it.
Crowd control. Basically any attack that stuns/hardlocks people and usually is a splash damage attack of some kind. Like groots ult, or mantis's sleep.
Dude I hate identity politics, however black panther and Storm have purposely had the fun factor and usability sucked out of them. They have been gimped and it has me feeling some kind of way. His mobility is horrible, punisher has better mobility and closing distance than him.
Hard agree with all of your points. The cc feels too easy to hit and it's so punishing. Melee champs are the coolest and most unique aspect of the game but they also feel so much weaker than multiple ranged champs. Every kill cam is just a Hela or Hawkeye spamming their shit and missing 10 shots but then hitting one head shot, there isn't any skill involved. Shouldn't a melee attack do more damage than a ranged attack? It's way harder to hit a melee. I would love if there was staling on attacks so you couldn't just spam shit. Would make the game soooo much more skillful. There's also no skill involved with the healing it's way too bursty and spammy. I can hardddd carry games just being a decent healer. It's just hold left click heal bot so bad players can feel useful. A lot of the bad parts of overwatch are in this game, it's pretty unfortunate. I've recently stopped playing because it's just getting repetitive. But I also like a lot about the game and want it to thrive as well. This first hero patch is gonna be very important imo.
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I'm so glad im not the only one noticing how his Dash will flatout not reset sometimes when striking marked targets. Extremely frustrating to do everything right and the game just goes "lol nah"
Oh ok so I wasn’t tripping lol. I thought that was happening but I couldn’t prove it
I honestly thought I was crazy
I thought i was crazy and just bad
I noticed this so many times wondering if others had this issue. It's so frustrating
no for real, i thought i was just tweaking out for no reason, i had to take a break cus it was just stressing me cus it was happening a lot to me, i have yet to get back on the game which sucks cus i actually really do like it
The 2x speed to compensate for the yapping is hilarious
LMAOOOO aye man imm just helpin yall out !
And genius, I stayed ;3
Playing BP is playing the game on hard mode. Pretty much his whole kit makes you out yourself in danger at all times. Every time I play Psylock I feel like I'm cheating with how easy it is to get value and kills with her. I think BP is the most fun but my God you have to never make a single mistake.
I play both Spiderman and BP and this applies more to Spiderman. With BP, theres a little bit of leeway.
But yeah, you have to put in so much effort to make both characters work but thats also what makes the game fun for me
The "phantom mark" / dash-not-resetting is related to the game's servers; the spear > mark > dash sequence has desync issues with the game server. In most cases, the server will register the mark quickly enough, but sometimes there are hangups. This issue is usually the game's server's application itself, not your (or their) network. I believe there will be an imminent client+server update which will help with these sort of bugs.
Turn on the "Show Ping" setting and you'll start to wonder:
Why are there such a large variance in ping (California varies from ~50-120ms)? If you lock your game to a region, the ping should be relatively stable -- period. The variance in ping times for a single region often indicates issues within the game's engine's code.
Why do ping spikes happen so often? Besides having just a large variance in baseline ping, game to game, there are also frequent ping spikes. More common than any other game I've played tbh. The saving grace is that the netcode seems decent. The ping spikes are smoothed out well and they're not as noticeable as in other games.
Im just fine with how difficult and punishing it is to play BP, but heres my take: for how difficult he is, he should consistently be the best duelist in the game. I personally find Panther to be the toughest character in the game, yes including Spiderman, which I love, but we shouldnt be rewarded for that effort with a mid-A tier hero. Given how much a BP player has to do in order to accomplish what Hela can do by clicking twice, I feel like he should do a bit more damage, be more consistent, have better matchups, etc. Im glad Im not the only one expecting some qol changes for my boy
Yes it’s like the game punishes you for playing with the hardest character. Then scarlet witch can come through and blast the whole squad with one move.
Glad someone’s finally talking about this. We just need some to feel some consistency from the game itself as we get more consistent and improve as Black Panther. Tired of getting robbed. Kinda hard not to tilt and play worse for the rest of the match when you get 2, 3, even 4 instances of false feedback on the dash in a row if it’s an especially rubberbandy lobby.
At 5:30 I think your dash connected before the spear landed, so the vibranium mark wasn’t on him until AFTER you dashed
This one for sure. I've had it happen to me as the spear is a projectile
Same, that animation cancel us horrible from close range because of the internal spear speed up time
I thought this too, but you can put the video on 0.25 playback speed, you can see the mark on top of hela way before the dash even connects. So the game already registered the mark on her.
The dash never connected, you can tell because she’d have lower health if the spear and dash hit, the audio is bugging on it
Look at the dmg, dash did 0 dmg so couldn’t have hit
Hawkeye really needs to be tuned down. Makes no sense that literally 1 arrow headshot is a insta kill. Bro literally can aim 5 feet outside a hitbox and from 200 yards back to get 1 shots.
The way Hawkeye is designed, he’d be unplayable if he couldn’t one shot. Super diveable, no utility in his ult or a storm arrow like hanzo from overwatch, and have you seen black widow who is at least a hitscan sniper?
@@YMan-zo5kg Blackwidow doesn't have a parry without a cooldown and can't take one shot. she cannot continuously shoot at you because of the bolt-action rifle she has
Dash cooldown yes. Also why do Luna and Mantis have speed boosts? If you miss a dash you can basically just kite BP to death. It’s stupid. Supports shouldn’t have longer range combat and faster default mobility at the same time. Melee characters should have speed boosts if anything.
You cant mark strange from behind his sheild
In the clip you show where you spear the Hela, you dash before the spear actually lands & the spear explodes after your dash is put on cooldown.
on 0.25 playback you can see the mark above hela's head before the dash connects
Personally:
-Comparing to hawkeye and hela seems kinda unfair since they are the obviously top 2 dps and permabanned in ranked for a reason
-Dash cd buff would be loved but not super needed imo
-The dash register/reset bug is absolutely needed, got so many clips of dashing through 1-3 marks where both the sound and vfx come out and I just die bc of no dash
-Twirl is definitely the worst part of his kit maybe a speed buff would work
-Personally I believe a dmg buff even slightly would be crazy good since right now any support is able to self heal the combo if they react quickly and if the other support turn around they are unkillable
- Personally I dont have a problem with Luna snowball since its slow cast + hard to hit (unless they target your twirl), mantis aoe sleep on the other hand is kinda bs sometimes
- Funny enough my favorite part about those ccs is that they are meant for divers so they do nothing against again hela/hawkeye (or another range dps which they are usually better than divers) so another reason those 2 are super good since they dont even have to get within range of enemies cc
I left a lengthy response in the "what dont you like" within the last survey about the same bugs and how godlike the healers are. I told them to check their statistics, that I bet the most mvps goes healers😢
You can also see the 3rd person reticle issue is with Magik, if you dash aiming with the right side you'll miss but if you aim super far to the right, even on the other side of her character model, you'll hit. Honestly I don't use the reticle for anything but her magic slash anymore.
I think they should:
•Increase the Vibranium Mark duration by about 1.7s
•Increase his overall damage output
•fix all his bugs
•Make it so he gains a tiny bit of Armor/Shield after dashing a unmarked enemy so his kit is not so unforgiving
Yeah that black panther glitch with the dash and you hear damage is actually killing me lmao ive thought of switching different characters bc of it but black panther just to fun
Glad one of the top black panther content creator spoke about the issue. Everytime i go on tiktok mfs be saying oh you suck he’s really good at flanking. Like I Know good panthers make it look like he’s a really good character but you need to make sure all the dps are equally or atleast close to one another in terms of value. Black panther needs a buff period.
Broski, 6:22 you can CLEARLY see Strange blocking your spear with his shield. But i agree with you with everything else. But remember characters with shields can block your spear.
Dont forget when his dash sometimes gets cancelled by his wall climb
at 6:22 strange blocked ur speer with shield
I was going to say that. Strange did block his spear
Nice vid brother, all the best with the channel.
I thought I was going crazy, I have a couple clips of dashing through 3 people with marks, getting the hit marker sound thing and for some reason my dash is completely gone. If it weren’t for that things would be so much better
This is why I say Black Panther should be a 5 star, bc he's complex and he's pure ambush, if they see you coming that ut most of the time......and THANK YOU! I thought I was the only one that noticed, some times it either won't mark, even when you hear it, but no mark, and no refresh. BP is nothing with out the dash
I would really like some accessibility options for the vibration mark. shit is so small and it's so hard to see, maybe there could be a purple outline for everyone marked or something
Im ngl the dash not resetting just looks like it's because you're dashing too early and hitting the opponent before they get marked by the spear. Spear throw probably has a windup time whether or not you animation cancel it which is why the mark application looks like it's being delayed. I don't play Black Panther though so it's probably worth testing out at least.
Edit: It could also be a ping issue where the mark registering is server-side, but the dash reset is client-side, which would explain the disparity in the reset timing. Worth checking too
No, this happens a lot even if you dash really late. Pretty sure it’s a matter of the servers being laggy. You’ll see that you definitely dashed through a target, you’ll get the hit confirmation sound, but you lose the dash. Then you look at a killcam and see that the person you dashed was in a completely different location than where you saw them at the time.
@CrazySuperJEBUS Ahh that would explain it too. How would they fix something relating to ping issues though?
@@turi5959 not sure how that all works, but all I know is that I don’t have any problems like that in Overwatch, so I’m sure it’s something they can and will polish off in upcoming updates.
Hawkers hit window is ridiculous, some instances it like he can shoot thru walls
the 2x speed big ol turnoff bro dont wanna listen to alvins sunburnt cousin
As a panther main I think he is fine he should be punishing if u miss 1 ability I mean u legit take there back line but the dash sound and not resetting is decently annoying
BP gotta be my fav hero hands down, its at least comforting to see other people having the same glitch where the Vibranium mark doesn't reset the dash when I CLEARLY get the sound queue. But its alright, why spend all that time and investment into improving when you can just hold LMB twice on someone's head as Hela or Hawkeye. I don't want to see any heroes get nerfed, I think that's what would really kill the game, but I don't know how they could rework them without any obvious nerfs.
He definitely needs a cool down to the dash. you end up getting cooked too often by flyers/ranged attacks and we gotta wait 8 seconds to do anything
6:30 somjuu dr strange popped his shield thats why you didnt get a dash back
I know BP is suppose to be hard but DAMN missing your Dash is DEVASTATING. if your E doesn't get you out you're just dead on a deserted island. If you're not dead without your dash you're just useless so you're sitting near a corner waiting. I wish the cooldown was 7 seconds at least
That's why I've stopped playing BP in the higher ranks, he just too inconsistant. The ability resets, the cooldowns, & the counter dive abilities are just a little to powerful
I thought I was buggin yesterday I died so many times because that 2nd dash wasn’t working
Just finished a match and literally annoyed by the one dash reset I did not get.
He definitely needs a damage boost. It takes forever just to kill Jeff. He also has the worst ult in the game, it doesn’t do much.
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So glad to see this being noted cause I have hours of footage just screaming about dashes not resetting or the god damn aim in this game being sooo wonky, spears not marking lol Ive had to go back to watch the stream cause I know I played it perfectly and Ill see one of the 5 major bugs
Just hit D2 playing BP only and i was just sayin how when the general aim gets fixed and dashes reset everytime Im definitely getting D1 maybe even GM
Now give me better cooldowns and oooooooh we are eatinggg
Ngl it does happen, but your first example is bad
Replay your clip slowly with Hela u didn't actually hit the dash you missed look at the damage. It was a case of the sound being off giving you the sound of actually hitting it but the dash never connected hence the low damage to Hela and her mark still being on her head.
so many times i lose team fights/duals because my dash says it hit but also didn’t register the reset so then im just a open target
Nerfing is not the way
Buff everything weaker for a true equilibrium
@4:55 you just missed yuor dash
slow down the video u can see he was on top of the enemy also like he said there was literally a sound cue
@@mrsleepysheeep ???
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Balance? What is..?
Fck that they need to buff storm 💀
This sounding like doomfist 😩
Dude i wouldn't mind dash being buffed, but more than that, i want the kick to actually feel worth the button press.
Either reduce kicks cd to 6 sec, or better yet, when you dash, 5% of the total damage dealt should be generated as a Kinect charge, and released by kick and reduce its cd by 2 sec. Make it the new Panthers cunning passive, and roll half the damage granted from the old passive into his baseline damage.
Im bad i can say that but i play hawkeye and go off its like hanzo with how big the arrows are
Although I agree Panther needs bug fixes and maybe a cooldown buff, complaining about cc is kinda stupid. No cc and Panther would run wild. Also arguably an s tier character even with the issues when he’s got a dive comp around him.
Bro I thought I was missing my spear bc my move wouldn’t reset and then I press again after it marks and i don’t have my dash
My friends told me Im just bad for saying I get noregs on it 😂
Glad Im not alone with this take
(old CS team, so they all understand the pain of noregs lol - just making fun of it for sure)
I put it in x 0.75 and man still sound like a chipmunk
I love the shit outta playing black panther, and the unbalanced gameplay is what makes it fun with all the creativity with characters combining abilities. But BROTHER if I die again because I missed a dash or I'm out of abilities, or a get one or two tapped by hella and Hawkeye. I'm gonna fucking lose it.
Yeah 8 seconds is ridiculous
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Its irritating how this game has intentionally made Black Panther & Storm hard to use or just plain underwhelming compared to the rest of the cast.
I was thinking the same thing
I agree 100%
What does cc mean? I’m just a spectator. Love the content 👍🏿👍🏿
Crowd control. Basically any attack that stuns/hardlocks people and usually is a splash damage attack of some kind. Like groots ult, or mantis's sleep.
Dude I hate identity politics, however black panther and Storm have purposely had the fun factor and usability sucked out of them. They have been gimped and it has me feeling some kind of way. His mobility is horrible, punisher has better mobility and closing distance than him.
I feel like more so other characters should be nerfed not patnher buffed, if his bugs are fixed he is in a great spot
They already said that they won’t be nerfing the broken but buffing the mid characters (hella is an exception, she needs a nerf☠️)
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Agree with smudging player killing the game slowly also low ranks players will not enjoy the game
Definitely agree with the cooldown being 6 seconds on his dash.
NERF GINJI!
No buffs since he was played almost every game in the Grand finals of the Marvel tournament
Hard agree with all of your points. The cc feels too easy to hit and it's so punishing. Melee champs are the coolest and most unique aspect of the game but they also feel so much weaker than multiple ranged champs. Every kill cam is just a Hela or Hawkeye spamming their shit and missing 10 shots but then hitting one head shot, there isn't any skill involved. Shouldn't a melee attack do more damage than a ranged attack? It's way harder to hit a melee. I would love if there was staling on attacks so you couldn't just spam shit. Would make the game soooo much more skillful. There's also no skill involved with the healing it's way too bursty and spammy. I can hardddd carry games just being a decent healer. It's just hold left click heal bot so bad players can feel useful.
A lot of the bad parts of overwatch are in this game, it's pretty unfortunate. I've recently stopped playing because it's just getting repetitive. But I also like a lot about the game and want it to thrive as well. This first hero patch is gonna be very important imo.