Looks to be a great product. My general experience with this type of pole is that they tend to not remain extended and you cannot get a good amount of tension on guide lines. Bad in wind. I drill through the poles and pin them so they cannot retract at all.
I think temperature changes can affect the holding power of the poles, i.e. if you tighten them up in the cool of night, they may loosen once the sun hits them in the morning. Your solution would certainly stop any slippage though. Just to cover our butts though, I'll mention that it's not something we would recommend purely based on it potentially voiding warranty. ~ Ben
This is what I've got on my new Travelbug Adventureman teardrop caravan on the left hand side and a regular pull out awning on the other side.Will be getting the B side awning wall when my credit card has cooled down, looking forward to my first trip in two weeks. Thanks for the video.
I did a comparison at a recent Newcastle camping show between this and the Darche awning. The difference I found was the Darche has 6 arms and a greater span, especially around the back of the truck, compared to the 23zero with only 5 arms. Price-wise 23Zero was $850 which is reasonable, the Darche was $1050. I found the Darche a much bigger and well made awning but would be happy with the 23Zero. Customer service is another thing. Darche is more face to face with refunds and exchanges whereas the 23Zero is purely through Snowys and would be very difficult to exchange or deal with in warranties. Shipping etc... Both canvas covers are what you expect.
Thanks for your feedback, El Cruffo McScruffy, all valid points you make. One benefit of the 23Zero awning is the weight saving, they have used a lighter canvas but ensures a tight weave to maintain performance. Good point regarding the extra arm (or spar), the extra spar to the rear of the Darche awning creates extra coverage at the rear, whilst the absence of this arm on the 23Zero awning allows lift-up tailgates to be easily opened without hitting any of the awning frame. As for warranties and exchanges, we pride ourselves on the service we offer here. If you have a problem with your awning we'll do our best to sort it out with the minimal of hassle at your end. As you mention, both awnings are excellent and are fit for purpose. ~ Ben
I am in the market for a 270 awning but after watching this video I will have to cross this one off my list of "a possible contender". My reason for that is I would not be able to open the passenger's front door while the awning is set up without removing the pole first.
It will depend on how the awning is positioned as to where the pole will sit, Mike, might be worth working this out before you decide on an awning. ~ Ben
This is exactly what I'm looking for, can the front part of the awning be used with out the pole as it looks as though you can not open the front door.
Hi Brad, when mounting the awning you could line the awning up so the pole sits just forward of the door, but this is dependent on your vehicle and the position of your roof rack. You could use it without the pole, but it's not recommended, especially in windy weather. The awning is only designed to be freestanding for setup and pack down. ~ Ben
I have just purchased a 23 Zero Falcon awning, I see that you have the tail gate end square with your vehicle, i cannot do that with mine, am I doing something wrong or is there an adjustment I can make? Cheers
You would need to adjust the position of either the location of the mounting points on the vehicle, or adjust the position of the brackets on the awning backing plate to make sure everything lines up how you want it to. Every mounting process will vary depending on your vehicle configuration. ~ Ben
@@SnowysOutdoors I just bought mine but not on yet. Only thing I’m suss on is not being able to open passenger door due to pole? Also saw that snowys new driver side one didn’t have the bag Velcro flap anymore….? Mine does though so happy. Black under cover
This awning has actually been renamed, Daniel, and is now called the Falcon, which we can only get in the passenger side version (as at April 2022), you can buy this version here - www.snowys.com.au/falcon-270-awning. We still have the Peregrine awning in the drivers side though, it's basically the same, just a name change, once 23Zero sell through this I imagine they will rename the drivers side to Falcon too. See the drivers side Peregrine awning here - www.snowys.com.au/peregrine-270-awning-with-lst. I hope that makes sense. ~ Ben
It's pretty similar, Tommy, 23Zero use one less rafter at the rear to accommodate lift up tailgates, but other than some minor differences they are much the same. ~ Ben
Looking for a 270 that's not so fragile & can be used free standing. The Bush Company does an excellent awning, but their stocking volume is poor & never seem to have any in stock. Who else does free standing?
We don't carry any that claim to be fully freestanding, Airborne Images, they all require some pegging down to make sure no damage occurs in bad weather. Those freestanding models look to be pretty heavy, and they still mention the need for guy ropes in heavy wind but still no poles. I reckon I'd still want it pegged down in case the wind picked up, because if the awning doesn't give way then something on the roof rack or vehicle probably would. Just my thoughts on the subject. ~ Ben
@@SnowysOutdoors Thanks Ben. I’m fine with securing with ropes in wind, which would be crucial for all, but love that they don’t need poles & have substantial arms to support the weight. Not keen on the awnings that need poles at all times to stop the arms from failing under their own weight. Regards Simon.
Thanks for the vid. What's the fabric like and how sturdy are those poles? They don't appear very good quality and cannot be pegged at base. Thanks Michael
The fabric feels good, Michael. It has a nice tight weave and offers a good balance of weight and durability. The poles feel fine too, the have the regular twist lock feature that most of these awnings have, and the guy ropes are there to keep everything secured to the ground. In my opinion, there was nothing about this awning that stood out as being largely better or worse than any other awnings in the same category. ~ Ben
I'm not quite sure what you are referring to sorry, DENMONKEY. I assume you mean the nylon loops in which the strap is placed. If so, these are riveted to the frame and bar-tacked to the fabric, so I don't think you'll have any issues here. ~ Ben
23Zero are continually making changes to their products, Shawn, but they are usually focused on continual improvement. If you think there is an issue then I'd suggest getting in touch with the place you purchased the awning for inspection. ~ Ben
23Zero specifically redesigned the frame to make sure there was nothing getting in the way of lift-up tailgates, Dwayne, and the distance to the rear is the same as the distance on the side. The only real limitation is the angle across the rear, but it still provides shelter to access the cargo space whilst under shelter. I guess each vehicle is different though, it may not suit them all. ~ Ben
I like the design especially how gives more forward cover just would’ve been great if the rear was squared up so you’re fully covered when living out of the back
I'll check in on our wording there, Matt, apologies if it is misleading. Just to clarify, it's freestanding for set up and pack away, whilst in use it needs to be secured so as not to damage the the hinges and mounting plate in the event of strong wind. ~ Ben
@@SnowysOutdoors Nobody wants to deal with multiple poles and guidelines if they don't have to my friend. looking at the build quality shown in this video, I see why you would need the poled and guide ropes. To be fair, I would need to see both products side by side, but that said, this video makes this system look like a major pain in the ass,
This video just made me not buy this awning. All the poles are ridiculous, not to mention the 3 loose poles you have to carry with you. Then the pole that's blocking your driver door. Not for me
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Looks to be a great product. My general experience with this type of pole is that they tend to not remain extended and you cannot get a good amount of tension on guide lines. Bad in wind. I drill through the poles and pin them so they cannot retract at all.
I think temperature changes can affect the holding power of the poles, i.e. if you tighten them up in the cool of night, they may loosen once the sun hits them in the morning. Your solution would certainly stop any slippage though. Just to cover our butts though, I'll mention that it's not something we would recommend purely based on it potentially voiding warranty. ~ Ben
Brilliant. Just got one of these with my new Hiker Trailer. This demo was perfect!
I'm glad it was useful, HNX Media. ~ Ben
This is what I've got on my new Travelbug Adventureman teardrop caravan on the left hand side and a regular pull out awning on the other side.Will be getting the B side awning wall when my credit card has cooled down, looking forward to my first trip in two weeks.
Thanks for the video.
You're welcome, Phil. Enjoy your trip. ~ Ben
I did a comparison at a recent Newcastle camping show between this and the Darche awning. The difference I found was the Darche has 6 arms and a greater span, especially around the back of the truck, compared to the 23zero with only 5 arms. Price-wise 23Zero was $850 which is reasonable, the Darche was $1050. I found the Darche a much bigger and well made awning but would be happy with the 23Zero. Customer service is another thing. Darche is more face to face with refunds and exchanges whereas the 23Zero is purely through Snowys and would be very difficult to exchange or deal with in warranties. Shipping etc...
Both canvas covers are what you expect.
Thanks for your feedback, El Cruffo McScruffy, all valid points you make.
One benefit of the 23Zero awning is the weight saving, they have used a lighter canvas but ensures a tight weave to maintain performance. Good point regarding the extra arm (or spar), the extra spar to the rear of the Darche awning creates extra coverage at the rear, whilst the absence of this arm on the 23Zero awning allows lift-up tailgates to be easily opened without hitting any of the awning frame.
As for warranties and exchanges, we pride ourselves on the service we offer here. If you have a problem with your awning we'll do our best to sort it out with the minimal of hassle at your end.
As you mention, both awnings are excellent and are fit for purpose.
~ Ben
$1000 for shade is reasonable? EZ up is 100 bucks. too much crap to trip on this when you're drunk.
I am in the market for a 270 awning but after watching this video I will have to cross this one off my list of "a possible contender". My reason for that is I would not be able to open the passenger's front door while the awning is set up without removing the pole first.
It will depend on how the awning is positioned as to where the pole will sit, Mike, might be worth working this out before you decide on an awning. ~ Ben
Well presented video. Thanks.
This is exactly what I'm looking for, can the front part of the awning be used with out the pole as it looks as though you can not open the front door.
Hi Brad, when mounting the awning you could line the awning up so the pole sits just forward of the door, but this is dependent on your vehicle and the position of your roof rack. You could use it without the pole, but it's not recommended, especially in windy weather. The awning is only designed to be freestanding for setup and pack down. ~ Ben
I have just purchased a 23 Zero Falcon awning, I see that you have the tail gate end square with your vehicle, i cannot do that with mine, am I doing something wrong or is there an adjustment I can make? Cheers
You would need to adjust the position of either the location of the mounting points on the vehicle, or adjust the position of the brackets on the awning backing plate to make sure everything lines up how you want it to. Every mounting process will vary depending on your vehicle configuration. ~ Ben
Looks awesome
These are popular awnings, Greg. ~ Ben
Where can I buy the 23 zero awning removable weather flap?
I think you are referring to his product, Craig, available on the 23Zero site - 23zero.com.au/product/falcon-wing/. ~ Ben
Great video
Cheers, @Charlotte
~ Lauren
Great review 👍
Thanks, Mori. ~ Ben
@@SnowysOutdoors I just bought mine but not on yet. Only thing I’m suss on is not being able to open passenger door due to pole? Also saw that snowys new driver side one didn’t have the bag Velcro flap anymore….? Mine does though so happy. Black under cover
Does this awning come in the reverse configuration as would like to mount to a caravan
This awning has actually been renamed, Daniel, and is now called the Falcon, which we can only get in the passenger side version (as at April 2022), you can buy this version here - www.snowys.com.au/falcon-270-awning.
We still have the Peregrine awning in the drivers side though, it's basically the same, just a name change, once 23Zero sell through this I imagine they will rename the drivers side to Falcon too.
See the drivers side Peregrine awning here - www.snowys.com.au/peregrine-270-awning-with-lst.
I hope that makes sense.
~ Ben
Thanks for this!
You're welcome. ~ Ben
Is this the same as the darche 270?
It's pretty similar, Tommy, 23Zero use one less rafter at the rear to accommodate lift up tailgates, but other than some minor differences they are much the same. ~ Ben
Would this awning be suitable for a 21 Jimny?
I'm not sure sorry, Zoe, you'd have to look at all your vehicle specs and ratings. My gut feeling is that it will be way too big. ~ Ben
Looking for a 270 that's not so fragile & can be used free standing. The Bush Company does an excellent awning, but their stocking volume is poor & never seem to have any in stock. Who else does free standing?
We don't carry any that claim to be fully freestanding, Airborne Images, they all require some pegging down to make sure no damage occurs in bad weather.
Those freestanding models look to be pretty heavy, and they still mention the need for guy ropes in heavy wind but still no poles. I reckon I'd still want it pegged down in case the wind picked up, because if the awning doesn't give way then something on the roof rack or vehicle probably would.
Just my thoughts on the subject.
~ Ben
@@SnowysOutdoors Thanks Ben. I’m fine with securing with ropes in wind, which would be crucial for all, but love that they don’t need poles & have substantial arms to support the weight.
Not keen on the awnings that need poles at all times to stop the arms from failing under their own weight.
Regards Simon.
30 Second Wing awning
Thanks for the vid.
What's the fabric like and how sturdy are those poles?
They don't appear very good quality and cannot be pegged at base.
Thanks
Michael
The fabric feels good, Michael. It has a nice tight weave and offers a good balance of weight and durability. The poles feel fine too, the have the regular twist lock feature that most of these awnings have, and the guy ropes are there to keep everything secured to the ground.
In my opinion, there was nothing about this awning that stood out as being largely better or worse than any other awnings in the same category.
~ Ben
Not liking the the use of material for the connection points to the tension stairs front and back.
I'm not quite sure what you are referring to sorry, DENMONKEY. I assume you mean the nylon loops in which the strap is placed. If so, these are riveted to the frame and bar-tacked to the fabric, so I don't think you'll have any issues here. ~ Ben
Thanks
You're welcome!
~ Ben
That is not the cover that came with mine. Too loose of a fit . Mine is a fight to get zipper closed
23Zero are continually making changes to their products, Shawn, but they are usually focused on continual improvement. If you think there is an issue then I'd suggest getting in touch with the place you purchased the awning for inspection. ~ Ben
It’s a shame it’s so short over the rear no good for wagons
23Zero specifically redesigned the frame to make sure there was nothing getting in the way of lift-up tailgates, Dwayne, and the distance to the rear is the same as the distance on the side.
The only real limitation is the angle across the rear, but it still provides shelter to access the cargo space whilst under shelter.
I guess each vehicle is different though, it may not suit them all.
~ Ben
I like the design especially how gives more forward cover just would’ve been great if the rear was squared up so you’re fully covered when living out of the back
@@dwayneadamec1993 fair enough, I guess it won't suit everyone. ~ Ben
Straps are to tight and bag is to small. Set up easy putting it away is hard work i had to remove inbuilt poles
Thanks for your feedback
~ Lauren
It's a bit misleading to say that it is freestanding on your website when its mentioned at least twice during the video that it is NOT freestanding
I'll check in on our wording there, Matt, apologies if it is misleading. Just to clarify, it's freestanding for set up and pack away, whilst in use it needs to be secured so as not to damage the the hinges and mounting plate in the event of strong wind.
~ Ben
Way to much hassle. The Alu cab looks like a much better product in all aspects.
That looks like a neat bit of kit, kwesty1, I guess you'd want some extra features given it's almost twice the price though! ~ Ben
@@SnowysOutdoors Nobody wants to deal with multiple poles and guidelines if they don't have to my friend. looking at the build quality shown in this video, I see why you would need the poled and guide ropes. To be fair, I would need to see both products side by side, but that said, this video makes this system look like a major pain in the ass,
They don't include two little gap closers? That's stupid.
It would make sense to include them.
~ Lauren
ez up for $100
I can't find an awning that fits your description, ARMADILLO. ~ Ben
Alot of work for an awning..🤷
I'd say it is in line with most awnings. ~ Ben
This video just made me not buy this awning. All the poles are ridiculous, not to mention the 3 loose poles you have to carry with you. Then the pole that's blocking your driver door. Not for me
I'm glad the video was useful, Austin, even if it meant you didn't buy the awning. ~ Ben