The Hidden Layers of Oil Painting
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- What lies beneath the layers of paint in an oil painting and how does it affect what we see? In this video, viewers discover the building blocks of an oil painting using master paintings as examples.
The information in this video is taken from Jill's online oil painting course titled THE OIL PAINTING PROCESS, available through Jill's Website:
www.jillpoyerd.com/classes
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You are producing exceptional quality content, thank you for this great value you`re bringing as an artist resource in terms of knowledge and information, thank you very much, i really appreciate it :) !
You're very welcome. It's an honor, really, to be able to help people this way.
So pleased to see a new video from you.
Jill -another excellent video. Most or I can say many viewers of Art never know how a painter starts a painting. It is too bad artists cannot add the cost of preparation of panels to the finished work. This is true as well with other arts. Musicians , sculptors,
I often joke with clients that if I were to sell the hundreds of works I have created at today mid pricing, I wound not begin to recoup the cost of materials spent over my lifetime. Think of the apprentice years when sales were non existent.
I read a story of Monet, after gaining fame; at an auction of one of his paintings which went for millions.
He was asked how he felt seeing the value his painting achieved.
His reply was to say he felt like a horse winning the triple crown and all gets is the oats. 😃 thanks again for the video.
Thank you. Yes, I really think it's important for the public to know what's behind what they see. It produces a greater appreciation and even enhances their enjoyment of art! An artist friend and I used to talk about all of the things we do behind the scene that the public isn't aware of, including framing, business matters, etc. You're right - imaging being paid for the labor and business hours? Wow! Love the Monet story - that's great.
Wow, I feel for Monet!
Thank you, Jill. A very informative video.
Marvelous thank you, keep them coming
A very well informative video, thank you .Hope to see more in the future.
This was REDICULOUSLY well explained... the mark of quality teaching is the the clarity of the explanation... really flawless.... thanks for posting.
Thank you so much, Colmi
On topic:
For the past two decades,
I've been painting with acrylic
paints and acrylic inks.
I've become very comfortable using them.
I love them.
By chance, a neighbor gifted me a set
of oil paints that she bought for her
husband, yet he had no desire to use
them.
Though i haven't tried painting with
that set of oils, i have been buying
mediums in preparation for when i
do begin to try oils.
I had no idea about sizing.
I now plan to add that to the small
growing list of preparation elements
for the oil painting i plan to try.
Thank you for this information.
Off topic: your voice is very serene,
and soothing. Which is much needed
in these very strange times.
I'm so glad you found this helpful as you plan to dive into oils, Santiago. It'll be interesting for you to compare the mediums. I always find I gain so much from trying other forms of paint. I may return to my favorite, but the experience teaches me about each one.
@@JillPoyerdFineArt 😊👍
Wonderful teaching, many thanks! 😍💕
So great you have a new video. Thank you.
The major difference between you and most of other tutors is that we learn by understanding..I think it's the ultimate goal..by watching video like this I become more convinced that oil painting is a passion for me ..I really can spend all my life learning that way with all joy and without any boredom..thank you really
What a wonderful, rewarding comment for me to read. Thank you for that, Mahmoud.
Thank you. So informative. I really enjoyed watching it.
Thank you so much, Jill! Your videos are equally artful as the art you so deftly explain!
What a nice compliment - thank you.
Wow! Another fantastic educational video! Thanks so much for the entire explanation and demo about basics. Very impressive work. Blessings and be safe.
Thank you again! And stay safe as well, Crisalida
Wonderful production. I learned something new. Thank you.
You're very welcome.
This kind of knowledge of oil painting is so good to know. Thank you for sharing.
It's my pleasure, Jo.
Thanks so much for the video. Very educational and informative. Great to see you again! Many blessings and be safe.
Thank you, Crisalida. Stay safe on your end as well...
What a nice surprise today to discover your newly released video. Again a marvelous one! And again, I learnt a lot! When I watch your videos, I can dive deep into the world of art and art history - really great! Thank you for this high quality educational and at the same time very entertaining work!
You're very welcome. It's very motivating to know how much people enjoy them.
Again, another brilliantly researched and to the point perfectly concise, interesting, and informative video. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Yes yes yes!!! You're back. I missed the emotions you brought to each your video. You have inspired me
I'm so glad, Skye. And I'm going to do my best not to let so much time go between videos again, if possible. It was quite a long span.
This made my day. I love your videos and will watch them several times over. There’s so much great information to absorb.
I'm so glad you're enjoying them, Stopher. I do put a ton of time into researching all of my projects.
Jill Poyerd Fine Art I do enjoy researching projects. This is my second year teaching art and found your videos on the history of brushstrokes fascinating. I loved how it was broken down and followed a timeline. That’s very helpful because I teach each grade according to the time they’re learning about in history. Thanks for connecting with me. I look forward to seeing more of your videos.
Exception content! Thanks for sharing, Jill!
Thank you so much, Ben
Your videos are so well made and instructive. Thanks.
I appreciate that, Symmachus. Glad you enjoy them.
Beautiful explanation, I love it.
Thank you, Marco.
I was eager to watch something new from you. I really love your videos, your voice and the way you explain interesting facts. Thank you for your time.
You're very welcome, Armafly.
Thank you; this was a treat!
I'm so glad
This was very well done! The topic and the quality of the video was superb. In addition, you have a beautiful voice. I could watch your videos and listen to you all day.
Thank you, Jack. That's very kind...
Wow! I've been waiting to hear you on your videos! More videos please... ♥️
Yes, I've felt badly because the big project is taking sooo long.
Thank you. Never disappointed!
So glad you enjoyed it, Christien
Wonderful. Thanks.
Interesting video, thank you.
Thanks for making this!
Fantastic to see all these paintings from the Metropolitan Museum of Art. Hope we can see them in the flesh again soon.
Great call! I can see you're a met fan, as am I. Yes, how nice when life returns to normal in that way.
Exceptional quality and content in all the videos. Thank you for sharing..!
My pleasure!
Amazing. Thanks for the interesting history..
Glad you enjoyed it, Sumita
i love your educational videos, thank you for your hard work!
You're very welcome, Carolina. It's really a pleasure to make them.
Thank you so much for your video. It is amaizing. Teaching me a a lot.
You are very welcome, Rafat. Glad you enjoyed it!
Great stuff, I hope you have excelled in everything! :)
First time viewer. Really appreciate the combing the science of painting. I'd heard of the terms before but hadn't seen the application. Thanks.
I"m glad it was helpful, Martin.
As time goes on for me there’s very few things that make me feel a sense of wonder and awe. Paintings are one of them and your presentation amplifies that feeling. Obviously the explanations are what I’m looking for but good god you do such a good job presenting material. I’m so stressed always and this makes me feel at peace. Thank you
I'm sorry you feel so stressed, bottosrob, but I'm honored to know that my videos offer you some peace. That is a comment I deeply value.
Fantastic! Thank you!
You're very welcome, Michael!
thank you so much for the video, it helps a lot for me to create something that can last longer
You're very welcome, Trisna
I love this lady dearly.
Her content is why I visit youtube.
So kind - thank you
Thank You !!! i waited for another Video of yours
Yes, my apologies for taking so long. Hopefully the next will be a little sooner.
@@JillPoyerdFineArt take your time, i am just glad you do post those very informative videos. :-)
really good video- thank you!
Glad you liked it, Cameron
Another great video from you...
Thank you, Heide. Glad you liked it.
Well done!!
Thank you, Johnny
Wonderful video, thank you! Are you going to do a separate video on the sizing of oil paintings? I would also love a video on different varnish methods the masters used ❤
Well, the class I'm working on gets into sizing a lot more, with demonstrations and such. But I may also touch on it in the TH-cam series I'm working on that features the processes of 7 oil painting masters, which would touch on varnish as well. That's the video series that's taking so much time.
@@JillPoyerdFineArt Thank you so much for responding! I'm looking forward to your new class! :D
Wonderful
Beautiful
Yes...thank you for a great explanation of the various grounds and the benefits of each. Would you please discuss the use of egg tempera if you have not already.
I've touched on it here and there, but perhaps someday I can do a more specific video on Egg Tempera. I'll put it on my list.
This is excellent, Ms Poyerd. Thanks for making it! I'm going to pass the link on to my students at the Angel Academy, Florence.
I'm so glad you enjoyed it, Michael! I hope your students enjoy it as well...
Thank you kindly
So beautiful! Really talented! Was amazing watching it! New friend is here.
Thank you so much, Shobi. Welcome!
Thank you!
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Thank you, Guillaume
i love your videos! please make more
Thank you, Annie. Yes, more are coming...it just takes me a while to produce them.
soooooooo good!
Finally a video. Was thinking that you were not posting.
I know - I'm so sorry. It has been too long. Hopefully I'll make quicker progress as I work on the larger one.
@@JillPoyerdFineArt
You make less videos but they are very good.
I have something to add:
During years 2001 to 2002 I went to Salar Jung museum in hyderbad India almost every weekend. What i did was i tried to understand how these great masters painted.
I came out with conclusion that the surface they prepared was one of the most important element of their painting. This element is very much overlooked nowadays.
Thank you for the video again.
Muchas gracias!
really educational👏👏
Much anticipated and now, much enjoyed. Why hasn't canvas been replaced by the latest techniques in paper manufacturing?
Well, it is definitely making inroads. Artists are starting to use oil paper more it seems. I wonder if the buoyant feeling of canvas is part of the attraction? It's also convenient and often not too expensive. But really, mounted oil paper (professional grade paper) is a solid option, I feel. Good question.
Probably for the reasons it was originally used, in that it's easily portable and able to be as large as you want. Plus hundreds of years of history and experience. Canvas is also just tougher than paper. Further paper is highly susceptible to water damage and molds etc.
You inspired me to start my own youtube channel, thank you!!!
Very nice! Good luck with it...
Jill, it is so good to see your work and hear from you again. First of all, 'Do be cautious and keep safe and healthy'. It was so good to hear your soft and gentle voice during this time of extreme anxiety. Please make sure we all know when you will be offering this complete version on the Udemy platform. I have viewed all your videos on TH-cam and the Udemy platform and enjoy them so much - over and over. You have the ability to put so much information into such a very professional compact presentation. I am looking forward to addition
videos you offer on Udemy . Again, Jill, thank you for all you, all you have done, and all you will do. And, yes - I have my quality watercolor paints, my quality watercolor paper, all the information you have presented in both watercolor courses. Now I just need to 'Do It". Thanks again for this and the information.
This is my third attempt to respond to you, Michael. TH-cam must have a glitch as it repeatedly deletes my comments to you. I'll give it one more go for now. Thank you for your comments, and I hope you are staying safe as well. I'll definitely let you all know when the new class is ready. It will be a two part class, but I may release part one while I'm still working on part two so students can start working on it. Thank you again for your kind comments. And do stay safe.
@@JillPoyerdFineArt It came through. We are all safe here and have all we need. Looking forward to your new releases. Thanks for the reply.
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Thank you...
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Love you videos
Very educational. Do you have a video on art appreciation?
Hi Art Faelnar - I actually have multiple art appreciation videos on my TH-cam Channel: th-cam.com/users/JillPoyerdFineArt. I divide the channel into Art Appreciation and Learn to Paint videos. You can also access it by typing my name in the TH-cam Search bar.
I saw your tutorials on udemy and i am going to buy them. May i ask with which tutorial i should as a beginner? I.e. in which order? I hope you are going to make mor such tutorials because i would be so happy to find a good step by step tutorial where old master techniques are explained and demonstrated. Thank you 🙏
Hi Helmut - Are you aiming to learn oil painting? If so, you can start with The Oil Painting Process (www.udemy.com/course/the-oil-painting-process/?couponCode=APRIL2022) as it really starts close to the very beginning and walks you through creating an oil painting, physically, step-by-step. If you want to learn watercolor painting, I recommend starting with Foundations for Mastering Watercolor Painting class followed by Mechanics of Watercolor Painting. They were designed to flow that way and will be a nice solid start for you. Then, in both cases, you can proceed to the 2-Part Mastering Brushstrokes course. The other three classes can follow after that. At least, that's how I suggest taking them. As far as a Masters class, I try to incorporate their teaching/observation in all of my classes (less in the Mechanics class), and I've been thinking about creating a new class that follows along with the new You Tube series I released on the Masters' processes: th-cam.com/video/F15JebCy-io/w-d-xo.html and th-cam.com/video/4ma7lWOuzQ8/w-d-xo.html
As always an impressive presentation.
Can you expand on drying oil ground in modern contest (brands, products,...)? I have been using acrylic Jesso and often have to have a layer of oil paint or acrylic paint on top to reduce absorbency. Are you aware of any modern ground I could use instead that is less absorbant? Any downsides?
Any thoughts on why Rembrandt used white over dark ground?
Regarding Rembrandt, from all of my reading it sounds like his second ground was quite thin and was a gray tone, which if thin enough would allow some of the first ground to show through and create a nice complex color. That would be my assumption. Also, he didn't just use that color combination or ground combination. Most masters would tweak their grounds/colors according to what they were painting, although that seemed to be a common one for him.
Regarding oil ground, the one I show in the video is the one I use when needed (Gamblin Oil Ground). I like to thin the amount I'm going to apply with a dash of solvent so it can spread nice and thin. Used this way, it will dry enough in one week to paint over (although I sometimes allow more time). But it has to be applied very thinly.
Another thing you can do is apply oil paint that's been thinned quite a bit and use a rag to rub it into the layer. You don't want to actually remove the paint - just spread it thinly with the rag. The solvent used to thin it plus the thinness of the layer itself will allow it to try within one day usually and should still give you a less absorbent surface. This was called an imprimatura and was used by many masters. Acrylic ground is by nature absorbent, so I'm not sure if another layer of that will give you the resistance you're looking for.
Does this answer your questions, Daryoosh?
@@JillPoyerdFineArt absolutely and perfectly. I really appreciate you taking the time.
I love everything you have produced and can't wait for the next one.
Thanks
Great video with very clear information, however one thing that should correct in the video is that when alluding to Spain do not color the entire Iberian Peninsula because there is another country called Portugal.
As an art collector, the tech behind true quality produced art is amazing but over the years I question and wonder how closely these techniques are used today as well as in the past I know that there are many instances where these techniques are not used. I have seen artwork paint flake off, peel away, change color, expensive craquelure Etc...It's something to consider whether artist or collector as with Famous painter Joshua Reynolds 1723 -1792, he experimented with color in his portraitures, He mixed all sorts of stuff with the paints to change them a method that caused great problems with the longevity of his artworks. So artists of any medium of ART who want their art to stand the test of time do the necessary preparation to ensure the longevity of the artwork. Collectors need to be cognizant not just of contemporary art but older works of art for their construction and past restoration storage conditions damage Etc...
If you were repainting a large old plaster statue using oil paints, would you apply a sizing? I have been thinking I would use an oil paint primer like those used to prep plaster walls (so I guess it would be considered a ground). I’d love any advice you could share.
Ooo, that's tough, but I would lean towards your idea of the paint primer. You may want to propose the question to this website (click on Recent Questions and then submit your question): www.artcons.udel.edu/mitra/. It's a team of experts who answer fairly difficult questions such as this.
@@JillPoyerdFineArt Thank you so much for responding, and for the website! I'll do that.
I seriously wonder if the gesso-prepared panels i bought from my art-supply source store , has any kind of sizing glue beneath the gesso layer. I want the sizing ! Any thoughts - readers ?
I definitely agree...and I always wonder, too. I usually check on the Manufacturer's website when possible, to see if they mention sizing. I find Ampersand Gessobords to be reliable panels. ampersandart.com/panels/gessobord
Great video..I have some paintings by some artists I don't know who are they can you help...be blessed
Thank you. As far as your paintings, that can be a tricky task actually. What I would recommend is contacting a local art gallery or even an art museum (conservation department, I would say). That is always the best way to identify paintings as they are used to the process.
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Isn't flat white ceiling paint the same as Gesso?
Not as far as I'm aware. Here is a link where they list the ingredients of cling paint (for Zimmer).
www.whatsinproducts.com/types/type_detail/1/19764/standard/div%20id=%22cke_pastebin%22%3EZinsser%20Ceiling%20Paint,%20Paint%20and%20Primer%20In%20One,%20(Color%20Changing),%20Bright%20White,%20Flat-04/13/2017/div%3E/26-002-138
You can see it includes titanium white, clay, and even talc - all of which could be found in gesso. But it also includes a petroleum-like ingredient, which from my research would make in unsuitable for applying artist's oil paint over top. Of course, if someone out there knows otherwise (with scientific evidence), I'm happy to hear it. There are other ingredients listed there that I would have to research.
Generally, gesso is made specifically for good adhesion of artist's oil paint.
8:21 ground yes, but the old masters had a canvas that was not only primed but the surface was high gloss polished. This technique to achieve that for example a canvas of 9ft x12ft is high gloss polished - smooth like glass is mostly forgotten. Modern artists even make their paintings like that the fabric of the canvas shimmers through. An absolute no-go for old masters who painted fine details.
I'm guessing you mean the finished product was highly polished? They would have issues painting on top of a gesso layer that is highly polished - the paint wouldn't adhere well. And I'm not aware of any artist who did that. If you mean the final product, that is very true that many did that, but that isn't denied in this video. I'm not sure where you're seeing the conflict.
@@JillPoyerdFineArt just like one can polish plaster without applying anything, canvas grounding (primer) that contains chalkware what is a form of plaster can also be polished. It is still priming. Only drawback was that the paintings of old masters got tiny hairline cracks. But rarely the paint fell off.
@@lenny108 What I'm referring to is the fact that oil paint, according to many of the expert opinions I've read, can have issues adhering to an overly smoothed surface. There needs to be something for the paint to grip, even if very slight texture.
@@JillPoyerdFineArt guess I'll have to make a video how it is done....
@@lenny108 You seem to be missing my point. I'm not saying it can't be done at all. I am saying it's not considered a stable surface from my understanding based on research. That's my final comment on it.
Do you think, figuratively speaking, that ARTWORK has more value when it is done in an "isolation" room, where there is no access to visual cue's that can be copied easily from glancing? In other word's, Do you think artwork is more challenging to pull directly from the "mind's eye" and not from the 3d environment using your standard vision?
Oh, I definitely do think it would be more challenging - At least for some people (like me). There are others who are incredibly imaginative or have a fantastic memory to draw from. Those artists can likely not just succeed but excel in a kind of isolation room.
Why is it not labeled acrylic and oil primer?
You would think there would be a simplification of the terms. Sometimes it can get very confusing. It's one of the reasons I wanted to make this video.
whose art is this? 7:32
That is a self portrait painted by Peter Paul Rubens in 1623. Amazing, isn't it?
@@JillPoyerdFineArt Thank you so much for your reply! It is gorgeous, I wanted to look through more of his art to study it.
This was a very educational video, as I've never known sizing was used prior to gesso.
@@Beyondzz I'm so glad you both enjoyed it and learned from it. Yes, Rubens has some really incredible pieces and quite a variety of subject/style. You'll notice his brushwork loosens as he ages, and if you can see his work in person, some are surprisingly huge!
But Modern day Gessos do have a base of acrylic which would change your whole equation.
What part of the video are you referring to, rwpstudio? Can you give me the timestamp?
@@JillPoyerdFineArt I enjoyed your discussion but what I was saying in general, modern Gesso is based in acrylic which is all I apply to my raw canvas before I paint in oil or acrylic. I don't see the value in preping canvas in the old ways although it is facinating to understand the methods and I appreciate your detailed, informative video.
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Good video but please note that a true gesso is based on animal glue, is brittle and just for rigid panels. Modern acrylic ‘gesso’ should be called primer. Manufacturers use the term ‘gesso’ incorrectly, purely for romantic marketing reasons.
Yes, I agree with your comment on true gesso. I get into that aspect of it in the formal class that I'm creating. But one thing I chose to do after conducting a TON of research is to simplify some of the terms used throughout the art world. There are so many overlapping and even contradictory definitions out there. For the student, regarding gesso, I think it's helpful to call all of the plaster-like base layers a ground, made up of a form of gesso. Otherwise, it gets too confusing. For example, I've read many different definitions from very reliable sources for the term "priming" - the most common being a layer of oil ground...or the entire grouping of base layers. I feel it's time we all simplified things. That's my opinion at least.
Very interesting however, do not include Portugal with Spain. The Iberian Peninsula is not Spain, it is Spain & Portugal.
Why do this people never recognise Portugal? You mention Spain various times as being the whole Iberic Peninsula and that's just a bit offensive. Please give the countries their credit, if not just call it that, Iberic Peninsula, not Spain.
Great video btw, just hated that bit.
My apologies, Goncalo. I was indeed generalizing, but I do know what you're saying about Portugal being less represented in art. I'll keep that in mind. Some day I'd love to do a video on world art...touching on countries often less recognized.
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Ruben's work is not the best example to show and tolk about OIL GROUND. He painted mainly on wood panels , grounded with animal glue + unreactiv (hidrated) gypsum .....This tempera stile ground is then seal with casein glue strongly diluted with whater.....and when it's dry is painted with oil colors over it ....
Oil colors made with HIS UNIQUE FORMULA,not this very simple row linseed oil+pigment formula found in allmost any tube of oil color of today ......
Ruben's oil colors and today's oil colors from tube are like LIGHT YEARS AWAY on of another......
I'm afraid I respectfully disagree. Here's one source as an example. Note page 56: FELLER, ROBERT L. “RUBENS'S: The Gerbier Family: Technical Examination of the Pigments and Paint Layers.” Studies in the History of Art, vol. 5, 1973, pp. 54-74. JSTOR, www.jstor.org/stable/42617886.
@@JillPoyerdFineArt I am not able to open it . Please show me the page 56 .
@@romulusbuta9318 Unfortunately, I can't find any way to paste a document on here. Perhaps try to copy and paste the link into a new window on your computer.
@@JillPoyerdFineArt "my computer" it's only a larger mobile phone / PLEASE tell me in words ..what you disagree to my first coment
@@JillPoyerdFineArt [joke : I did not knew Rubens painted...made portrets of Cindy Crawford's family ! 😊]
The robotic voice, impossible to listen. Sorry, I tried.
Well, it's not for everyone.
Jill thanks for your amazing videos. Very relaxing, but super informative and your voice is nice to listen to
Thank you so much. I'm glad you've been enjoying them.
thank you