Return to Oz - Caravan Of Garbage
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- 46 years after the original Wizard of Oz comes Disney's attempt at a sequel, Return to Oz. Whilst a huge cinematic bomb in 1985 the same year it arrived it's legacy endured by the generation of children it traumatised by putting Dorothy through a series of horrifying trials to yet again attempt to make her way back to Kansas. This time she's joined by Tik-Tok, Jack Pumpkin Head the The Gump as she battles against the Nome King, Mombi and The Wheelers. It certainly is something. Without a doubt. Thanks for checking out our Caravan Of Garbage review
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*Sean Connery voice*
“I refuse to take direction from the bloke who played Gump.”
This comment will never get enough likes
LXG Caravan of Gaaarbage reference, you love to see it
also I thought you meant Tom Hanks before getting to it in the video lol
it's THE Gump to you.
The whole natural disaster sending you to oz makes way more sense in the books because in the novels OZ isn't some other fantasy reality, it's like, a full on country hidden in the middle of America. It's basically a state. The tornado is literally dumping Dorothy there.
It's just some shitty midwest town no one goes to?
Oz was Ohio the whole time?
Always has been
Well that’s what it was in the first book, but as it went on it became an island surrounded by a toxic desert.
@@claytonandres1194tired joke. It’s Nebraska, fool.
Honestly American would be way more interesting if there were hidden, secret states no one knew about
We are officially in the spookiest time of the year, and I'm not just talking about tax time
Are you sure you’re not talking about tax time?
He did it again, everyone!
A cold time of year to bring in a harvest……..
I know I've heard this before. Where is it from?
He said it! Well done. 👏 👏 👏 🤝 🤝 🤝
I was so afraid of Chitty Chitty Bang Bang as a kid. They went to a town where kids were illegal. And i WAS a kid. What would i do if i was transported there? It wasnt my fault i was a kid, i wouldn't be forever. I remember telling my uncle how stressed i was about it and he explained that the town of Vulgaria wasnt real. But i didnt believe him.
It wasn't your fault you were a kid. You were born that way.
Based on the lyrics “can you tell me how to get, how to get to Sesame Street?” I thought it was a real place that you could go, if only you could learn the secret of how to get there.
It’s actually based off the real life town of Bulgaria, which is actually a country, and it’s illegal for you, specifically, to live there
I hope it helped you avoid Child-Catchers in real life, at least.
@@RX-12 I’m not sure that movie had any real effect on anything given that no one I know remembers it, including me.
Fun Fact: In regards to the Scarecrow having a permanent grin was because he was supposed to have a fully articulated animatronic face like the gump, but because of budget cuts, they only had to rely on Scarecrow's expression changing through cutaways, (a la Thomas the Tank Engine.)
This reverse got me. Totally expected some boring bs blue harv ’joke’
We watched this at primary school shortly after it came out. I remember the principal coming in and saying if anyone was upset he could turn it off. He was loudly jeered out of the room.
You guys liked it? I was spooked by the roller men 😂
The childhood traumas:
- The wheelies (sorry Masso, I must be younger than you)
- The various heads Queen
- Basically the vibe
Oh wait, the rock monster eating people…
The Garthim from Dark Crystal scared the absolute shit out of me as a kid
all those for me ; but Dorothy's travel back to Oz seemingly drowned the only friendly face in the movie thus far. and Dorothy didn't seem to notice.. that kept me unsettled for the entire movie duration, as a child
Had to check the tags on this given James's bold faced lie about not tagging the videos which upset me to no end. Theyve tagged TikTok and Joker and I'm not upset anymore
The expression is “bald-faced lie”. No shade, it’s a common error.
Is James Bold like James Bond?
*JokerFan420 logs onto TH-cam*
"Ah yes, cannot wait to watch some videos about my favorite movie and character Joker."
*sees a Caravan of Garbage talking about Return to Oz*
"What the hell is this?"
@@MrOtistetraxinteresting. Good job informing others. Both could logically make sense.
No one ever believes me about this movie
'There's a sequel, and a moose makes a couch come to life and it can fly, so..'
'They didn't make that, that isn't real, why are you making this up, _how_ are you making this up.'
You have the same type of mental illness as Dorothy 😄
@@Ari-ll1wpI was just about to say.. maybe that's a meta way for us to relate to her sense they were giving her shock therapy to get over her "delusional stories" about oz.
I forgot to mention it last week. One of my high school English teacher's father was one of the lollipop guild boys. She always said he was a real mean drunk.
Considering the lollipop guild fucking sucks, that checks out
Sure she did
He wasn't welcoming at all! The whole movie was a big ol' lie!
But that's the magic of cinema.
Those little deliquents always did give me a bad feeling.
Idk if people know about this, but it’s my favourite bit of trivia about the whole Oz franchise:
When Baum wrote the first book, the general public’s understanding of geography was such that it was suspension-of-disbelief plausible enough for Oz to be somewhere in the middle of kansas or wherever. Like it’s 200k away and most people don’t have cars so it would take ages to get there, and it’s surrounded by desert so you’d die before you got there anyway. Oz in the first stories was a country on the same planet earth that all us real people live on.
It was absolutely intended to be a place that you might just end up in if you got whisked away by a tornado or slipped on a really long stretch of icy road lol. It wasn’t some magical alternative world you slipped into, it was just a far away place that you’d never be able to get to (without air conditioning and a car)
This channel has conditioned me to expect a Blue Harvest joke every time someone starts spouting off "trivia," so I was both pleasantly surprised and somewhat disappointed by this.
I saw the word "trivia" in the first paragraph and immediately scrolled to the bottom expecting to see "Blue Harvest"
@@GamingintheAM0801 how did I not think of that 😂😂😂
That's weirdly similar to The BFG. The Land of Giants is supposed to just be really far away where they haven't made maps yet, even though they literally use military helicopters to go there near the end.
Hot air balloons had existed for centuries at that point
I have to say, enjoyed this way more than the original. More creepy kids movies, please. A lost genre.
💯THIS
Antz and its faithful depiction of the horrors of war but with ants is the goat of this genre for me
Same. I rented this movie countless times when it was on VHS.
They really should watch Help! I'm a Fish at some point
This is honestly my favourite of the Oz films. I love that it just went full dark fantasy fable, verging on lowkey horror with it. It's this weirdo little movie that I just adore.
It’s probably the only movie to perfectly capture the book’s tone and aesthetic the closest.
Oh shit, Australia got trap door ?? Fuckin loved trap door😂
COZ THERE'S SOMETHING DOWN UNDER...
The headless witch, and by extension the scene where all the heads scream, really freaked me out as a child! 😅
I know you were talking about how Return is a bit of an odd sequel to Wizard of Oz, but I always thought of it as more of a sequel to the book than the movie, given that Dorothy has knowledge of things that never come into play on the actual movie, such as the lunchpail tree and the sand trap that turns people into sand. You can't really explain that if the movie is intended to be a more or less direct sequel to MGM's Wizard of Oz.
An incredible movie though, I'm glad you covered it.
I find it kind of distracting the way the movie uses some elements of the MGM movie that weren't in the books (everyone and everything in Oz having a counterpart in Kansas, the slippers being ruby) and some elements of the books that weren't in that film (the deadly desert separating Oz from the rest of the world, the Tin Woodman's origin story.) It's like this movie is a sequel to a third version that doesn't exist, and I have to imagine it while I'm watching.
@@theadaptationstationmaster Kind of like the way Arthur C. Clarke's novel "2010" is about 90% a sequel to the movie "2001" and about 10% a sequel to the *book* "2001", and you can see him sort of rewriting an implied modified version of the earlier novel to make it closer to the movie as he goes along.
@@MattMcIrvin I actually think that imaginary Oz movie (to which Return is a sequel) would be interesting to watch.
That Stephen Norrington connection was truly a shocking revelation
One of the things I love the most about this movie is it's unclear if any of the adventure is real or if it's a PTSD hallucination brought on by the shock therapy. Just as it happens there is a lightning storm and then every element in Oz is a twisted version of the traumatic elements from the first act. I think it may here be suffering from being in direct comparison to the 1939 film. I think as a stand alone, this movie is fantastic
Laurence seems to actively look for Doctor Who-related references to put into every video, which is one reason I love that man
When I saw the Gorgon from SJA I jumped up on my sofa and shouted "YES!"
@@robintob1407 there's no way it's not reverse-engineered. No one no matter how big a fan thinks of Eye of the Gorgon the moment someone turning to stone turns up. That's going "hmm what Doctor Who clip can I put in Caravan of Garbage today?" energy
Strewth Maso just had a a roach under his shirt and calmly kept talking while tryna get it out his shirt. That's the bloody most Australian thing you boys have done (yes you included James)
Walter Murch is a legend in the world of filmmaking. He wrote the book on editing, and I say that in a very literal sense. My textbook in my college film editing class was written by Walter Murch.
In my 5th grade drama class we reenacted a scene from this movie, which none of us had seen. We fought over who played Tick Tock and eventually the teacher had to do it. so instead we fought over being the wheel guys. No one wanted to be Dorothy. She also refused to show us the whole movie. She insisted we would hate it. Thanks for unlocking that memory for me.
Oh for me it was one THOUSAND percent all the disembodied heads screaming at her. That is unapologetically shot as a horror sequence and it's terrifying
7:28 been too long since I've gotten to hear that😢
My Return To Oz trauma was definitely the Wheelers turning to sand and then crumbling away in the Deadly Desert. No question about it!
9:18 I’m acquiring childhood trauma as an adult man the way Dorothy wipes her eye with that chicken :(
Fun fact: outside of the USA this movie was called “Return to Gram”, on account of the rest of the world using the metric system
I think you should leave.
@@Teamo86HEAR ME OUT
@@Teamo86HEAR ME OUT
Weak version of a far better joke heard before.
Boooooooo
Are you going to do The Wiz?? I need to see coverage of The Wiz so I know I didn’t just dream it up as a child.
Thank you! As far as the large pantheon of Oz movies The Wiz belongs at least in the top 3 for numerous reasons.
Rythm of life babyyyy
what are the rules?
My favorite line in the movie is when Princess Mombi's about to address a major plot hole, but the movie gets to it first:
Mombi: Why didn't you just transform them all at once?
The Nome King: It's more fun this way.
Watching this on VHS in the 80s, I think the moral of the story was that using the power of imagination will get you electroshock therapy? Or maybe chased by a gang of punks with rollerblades on their hands and feet into the deadly desert?
3:01 Playing all 6 seconds of Miguel MGM Scott declaring bankruptcy was a 4000 IQ editing decision. *_Brava._*
I used to read Mr. Hero as a kid and it is amazing to hear him actually referenced by someone else. It is very much a forgotten work.
I'm certain that the heads thing gave more than a few children some pretty horrific nightmares. It's not the heads themselves that made me feel uneasy. It's her headless body moving on its own that bothered me.
How do you think it’s influenced your behavior? Do you actively avoid headless people now?
Pit of sand and you turn into sand is what terrified me
That’s also in Spider-Man
As someone who knew the books before either film, this one resonates with me SO MUCH MORE than the "original". I don't think either of them is inherently better, not at all. I think saying that one of these is better than the other is 100% nostalgia.
It’s incredibly accurate to the books, especially the design of the Scarecrow, Tin Man and Cowardly Lion, who look just like the common book illustrations
I don't really like the books' writing style so for me, that part of the movie is one of its problems. (Plus, I don't see why they felt the need to keep the dialogue close to the books, when L. Frank Baum wrote in his introduction to The Wonderful Wizard of Oz that he wanted to avoid scaring kids and that clearly wasn't this movie's MO. LOL.)
@@claytonandres1194 But is it accurate to the costumes in the stage plays and silent films that L Frank Baum produced?
@@ThreadBomb Ozma has the same crown from those movies!
The extremely talented “contortionist” inside Tik-Tok was talent spotted by the BBC Blue Peter Team who were filming a promo segment for the movie, and he went on to become a Blue Peter presenter. Alas, he died tragically young. RIP Michael Sundin, I’m sorry British society wasn’t yet ready to accept you.
That’s a very tragic story. One thing to add to it though: That Blue Peter talent spotting was a way for them to harvest unseen talent, so they called the initiative Blue Harvest.
Honestly I kind of like how dour and horrific this version is. Although I get their point about how the original has this sense of make-believe that lends a lot to it I honestly like how fantastical they went with the appearance of the Tin Man/ Scarecrow/ Lion. Could have been a rights thing maybe but I really like that they pulled out all the stops to make them essentially live action cartoon characters. Same goes for the main cast it’s just such an odd mix of costume and puppetry and stop motion that adds this extra surreal layer over it. It’s just a weird kind of fantasy you don’t get anymore which I find really fascinating
I saw this movie on cable when I was home sick from school in the 90's, but they never said what the name of the movie was and for something like five years every time I tried to describe this movie to people they just told me I had watched The Wizard of Oz because nobody had ever seen it. What I'm saying is thank you for doing this movie but how did you get footage of my fever dream from when I was a kid? This is unsettling.
Caravans of garbage are starting to become study subjects to me. Like I have to do the weekly reading (Ala watch the CoG film) before attending James and Maso’s tutorial to talk about it
I think this is one of the first legacy sequels. This movie was nominated for an Oscar for the special effects which are really well done by the late great Will Vinton, this is one of those Disney cult classics that traumatised kids
As a kid we had a taped-off-tv vhs that started as Dorothy was finding the original house and ruined yellow brick road. It wasn’t until many years later when I picked up a dvd that I finally learned she was set to undergo electroshock therapy.
Since then, every adult I’ve shown this movie to has watched in sheer disbelief that it was a Disney production.
As a kid, the original Oz was cheezy. Too colorful, all the messages too on the nose. Return to Oz somehow resonated More with me. Like a dark haunting and wildly inventive iteration on the silly thing i remembered. For me, a way more compelling tone and feel, so many moments and visuals stuck with me to this day.
Walter Murch is a great editor. His book, “In the Blink of an Eye,” is a great resource on the topic
4:14 I love how Lawrence always calls out how hard James breathes in sometimes 💀
That pit that turned people into sand made child me afraid of beaches
The big difference? The MGM musical was mostly based on a stage play, the Disney “sequel” is based on the books. But you’re right about the lack of joy and whimsy - one thing Baum generally got right was keeping elements of joy and whimsy in his stories. Disney played it way, way too straight and serious.
Tik-Tok was one of my favourite characters, such a unique concept. I do like that this film did offer a new adventure with a new lineup because the originals all got what they needed, so it allows for a continuity of characters wanting to improve themselves.
I love how Lawrence snuck in the old theme song. Hero 🔥🔥
Wow you guys were much harsher on this than I thought you’d be.
right?? Honestly didn't expect it
Yeah I only watched for the first time this year and I thought it was fantastic
Yeah kinda weird lol
What a shame they can criticize a movie that they enjoyed watching
Return to Oz, like the Dark Crystal, was I feel like the epitome of the "adult" children's films of the 80s. Henson (and I think Irwin Kershner with Empire) said that they thought children's media should have scary things. It makes perfect sense that these movies that were possibly too intense for kids are frequently loved by them after they grow up.
The Deadly Desert (if you touch the sand, you get turned into sand) did it for me. It was featured in the TV ads and it scared the crap out of me as a kid. There's a lot of semi -body horror in this for a children's film, but I guess it was the 80s.
Thank you, Maso for confirming that the Mr Hero comics weren’t some weird fever dream I had in 1995.
I have never seen Return to Oz, but I had the novelization when I was a kid. In the winter of 1997 (when I was seven) a winter storm caused power outages, so with a fire in the fireplace my mom and I bundled up under a comforter and she read me the book by candle light. I don't remember much of the story but I do remember that.
That's really lovely
I have recurring nightmares about those wheelers
The headless thing scared me.
These puppets and suits are fucking amazing
Thank you, Laurence for including the Doctor and also having Michael Scott yell about bankruptcy when appropriate.
My grandma took me to see this when I was 8. She probably expected something different. I was frightened but I also loved it, and I still think it’s a pretty daring film. Honestly, I think it’s good.
People always forget about the animated wizard of Oz movie that was about the lion before he met Dorothy
I watched this as a kid, it didn’t really scare me but I could never forget the wheelers.
I never saw the original Oz properly until I was a grown man so to me growing up this *was* Dorothy and Toto.
The Comic Book movies segment with the rising theme of The Weekly Planet after a description of a scene being "cathartic" was great
The Gump was last seen wandering in the forest. He's a Forest Gump now.
I was really surprised they didn't reference that.
tbh I'm all for you guys covering non-comic book stuff; I really like when you cover really old movies in particular but maybe thats just me
I'm glad you guys gave the musical score a callout, but I think you're underselling it. It's one of the most achingly beautiful movie scores I've ever heard. I listen to the end titles medley every couple of months even though I haven't seen the movie itself in maybe 15-20 years. There's a bit where you have two violins dancing around each other akin to Leo Delibes' flower duet, and it's sublime.
6:20 I feel like a golden opportunity was missed to show Supernatural's Dorothy Baum, who rode a motorcycle.
7:26 Finally!! My red hot comic book movie news colonic has returned, if only for this one time.
Fun fact. If you cook an egg, it eliminates the natural poisoning that’s initially in it. That’s actually a fun fact for most foods, typically.
Those fuckin wheelers, man!
One of the biggest misconceptions of this film is that it was intended to be a sequel to the MGM film. It was NOT. It was much more indirect and based more on the books. Disney did get the rights to the ruby slippers specifically because MGM made them so iconic that if they used the silver slippers of the book, audiences wouldn't have understood what was going on. Dorthy being as young as she was in the film is much more accurate than Garland whom was much older than she was depicted in the books.
Wow I definitely watched this as a kid and I was DEFINITELY terrified of the wheelers and the headless lady. Thanks for bringing that trauma back guys, appreciate it.
4:43 league of extraordinary gentlemen is criminally underrated
I love the comics and would love a more accurate adaptation of them.
Lmao
It was definitely the head swapping bit for me. I only ever saw it once but I never forgot it.
In the books the wheelers wheels are made of keratin. So they grow just like fingernails, have fun with that one lol
Oh god, that's so much worse
When I was a kid, this movie was for some reason shown a lot on local TV stations as like the Sunday Afternoon Movie, which is how I got to see it. I do remember seeing a snatch of the BTS for it before then, though, particularly talking about how they did TikTok and the Wheelers.
When I was a kid I would always see this movie on VHS sitting in the local library. It was rated 13+, and though I wanted to watch it I was too scared to bite the bullet. Its funny bc like most of my childhood was me watching horror movies with my cousins 😂 but this movie was just too ominous for me ☠️
This is the best Oz movie imo.
This is one of the very first films that made me fall in love with movies.
I was a four years old or something back on 2004-05 not so sure when, but it aired on TV a long ago.
The best thing this movie gave me, was the fondest memory of watching the sun going out thru my window and thinking:
"I wanna watch this again I don't want this day to end"
That's pure cinema man, I wish i had the opportunity to personally thank the director, cuz this guy made my day back then.
Thanks for u guys for covering it. Great job as always! Much love
❤
The screaming heads/ headless Mombi sequence is genuinely terrifying and the only part of this film that holds up for me on revisiting this film as an adult.
While I can certainly admire the creativity and effects at work here the whole film overall comes away feeling less impressive and impactful than my childhood recollection of it.
Genuinely had to watch this video twice because I was too distracted by the Spyro the Dragon music in the background the first time around.
I love this movie, I have my entire life and feel like it doesn't get the love it deserves haha
Why is "The Wiz" not in this collection of movies?
4:14 there it is!!! 🤣🤣
I accidentally watched this as a child when I was like 7 and super sick. And this movie felt like a terrible fever dream and it was so scary too me
3:39 Ruby Knifeshoes sounds like a great drag name
Plasmo mentioned!! Speaking of half-remembered traumatic childhood experiences, I remember watching that episode where they go to the end of the universe and it’s terrifying!
IS THAT FUCKING SPYRO MUSIC IN THE TRIVIA SECTION???????????
I remember randomly coming across this film on the IFC channel years ago. I caught the movie in progress & I thought that the movie was fake 😂
After the movie ended I went to Google & that’s how I found out that the Wizard of Oz is based on a boo & there’s multiple books that take place in that universe. This movie is also how I learned Fairuza Balk had been acting since she was a child.
The characters look significantly different because while the characters are in the public domain and any studio can make a movie, the LOOKS of the characters in the respective films ARE subject to copyright law.
The whole look of this movie was taken straight from the illustrations in the Oz books, by W. W. Denslow and (especially) John R. Neill. Of course, all of that was in the public domain, so they could adapt them freely.
One exception is the look of Dorothy herself--she was a young kid in the books, but in "Return to Oz" she looks more like an aged-down Judy Garland Dorothy. The book illustrators imagined her as blonde. It actually made sense that MGM tried to cast Shirley Temple.
I'm a genz kid raised on this movie and I fucking LOVE how creepy it is. The hall of faces, and the roller people, the sand. I love it, it definitely feels a little piecemeal because of its development hell
I did not remember this movie at all, but then i saw the wheelers and a flood of like repressed childhood memories came rushing back
11:40 Is this Nick Mason's start as bug-themed super hero The Bug? His back story can be that one day, while recording an awesome podcast, all the bugs in Australia became suddenly attracted to him and he can control all the bugs with his pheromones. Ironically he hates bugs, but becomes The Bug because it'll bug all the bad guys. He'll never catch anyone or prevent a crime, he'll just show up at bank robberies and muggings and stuff and just be a minor nuisance to the assailants until the cops show up.
Due to MGM holding up the rights for the Rubi shoes, originally the idea was to use Lapis lazuli shoes as the replacement, that combined with how the queen harvested heads from other women led to the development title of Blue harvest
Wich coincidentally is the same development name of 1977's Star Wars
Please do one more “That guy who says Rodney” compilation before the end of the year! It’s my only request!
My thoughts and prizes exactly.
I think The Wiz definitely deserves a look too. A couple scenes that were traumatizing for kids in that one too. It's a classic though.
You guys should do a CoG on The Adventures of Baron Munchausen! It's a sort of Wizard of Oz/Hook styled film that I had no idea existed until a couple of years ago.
Baum was actually quite political and there is a lot of symbolism in his books. Possible allegories include The Yellow Brick Road being a representative of the Gold Standard, The Wheelers representing industry as opposed to the idyllic rural life and the hospital is how the city crushes the independence of the individual. The egg killing the Nome King is emblematic of the rural defeating the industrial.
Or maybe it's just a creepy story!
I'm very happy with the sudden and unexpected Trap Door reference!
Lukewarm Take alert: “Labyrinth” is a better “Wizard of Oz” sequel than this.
So glad we finally got the carpet reveal 11:50
He actually did put Joker in the tags!
Return to Oz is one of my favorite movies. It was very affecting as a kid but I wanted to watch it all the time. Still love this movie. It’s incredible.
This movie was a fever dream to watch as a kid, so much so that I refused to believe that I had ever watched it😂 I always just chalked it up to me mixing the animated series with the 90's version of "Oz"
You should cover The Wiz. It combined great music and absolutely terrifying visuals.
This movie is to Wizard of Oz what Pooh: Blood and Honey is to Winnie the Pooh.
I don't know why this video made me think of it, but I suddenly remembered a random movie from the 80's called "Babes in Toyland" with everyone's favorite boy Keanu Reeves. I'd be fascinated to see that on CoG