F. Chopin - Etude Op. 25 no. 9 in G flat major - analysis - Greg Niemczuk's lecture, tutorial
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Thanks for another great lecture, Greg - and for a personal story on your piano education. It is inspiring to hear that you consider your early technical problems not only as a curse but also as a blessing : allowing you to recognize these problems in your pupils and being able to adequately help them !
Thank you! Positive thinking is the most important! I have this character, I always try to see good things in bad situations. Thanks for watching!
@@gregniemczuk This positivism also shows in your videos !
The nicknames given to Chopin's studies are later than the time at which they were composed. I tend to believe that these nicknames do not reflect the will of the composer, but the arbitrary imagination of some "reputable musicologists". The Italian lasagna, Maestro, is a wonderful analogy that provokes my imagination to seek reference to the cute fast motion of an antelope. The abrupt finale of this movement is, perhaps, due to the asynchronous perception of nature by man, a fact that the composer so characteristically "comments" through the enigmatic coda ... Once again, I feel the need to point out your superhuman effort to analyze Chopin's entire work in a short space of time. We all, as listeners, are unable to assimilate the messages that you transmit to us almost every day. The enjoyment of each presentation is unique and requires a sufficient time of assimilation until the transition to the next presentation is effortless. Thank you from the bottom of my heart!
Thank you so much! I'm working hard but also because it is a project with the deadline, and the deadline is the end of January.... I'll be talking about that on Monday after the last Etude.
I completely agree with your interpretation here. Also, the coda... so wonderful!
what an adorable lecture !!
Yes it’s hard not to have regret over inadequate teachers, you don’t always have control over that and you think somethings wrong with me, I don’t have any talent when it wasn’t me at all because nobody ever taught me how to practice. Didn’t understand how to take things apart and work through a problem until I was in my 60s and took a cello lesson from somebody who sat there and gave me a two hour lesson and showed me how to work out problems and I had a eureka moment and dropped the cello and went back to the piano and applied everything he taught me and I just took off! It was the greatest gift I ever got.
Amazing story!
I love your monster analogy. It must be fun to play and listen by thinking of changing butterfly into monster. I was released from years of struggles, sweat and tears with this piece. You are right, the mind set is important to move forward. Thank you so much! I am so motivated to practice by this video.
It is fun! Thank you!!! I'm happy I inspired you!
Você é simplesmente fantástico. Penso exatamente da mesma maneira !!!
I'm happy that I've watched all (or most) of your analysis videos, even on pieces that I don't really like. Many of them I've watched two or even more times! It's really fantastic that you're making Chopin (and classical music) more accessible to everyone and spreading the love for this fantastic music around. Looking forward to hearing your recordings, especially of Mazurkas and Polonaises!
Dearest Keegan, I'm impressed! It makes me so happy to read what you wrote ! All my videos!! That's incredibly impressive!!!
Yes, that was exactly my goal, and it saved me from getting depressed during the COVID-19 pandemic....
Many thanks to you, with this exercises the child was able to play this piece and won Grand-prix, I can't express how grateful we are to your video lessons
Wow!!!! Wonderful! Congratulations! You made my day!
Thank you so much for making these videos! You deserve way more views!
Thank you!! It's gradually growing 😃
Thank you very much for this tutorial! I am learning too much!!
I just discovered your fantastic TH-cam channel last week and I’m now in the process of catching up with all your videos from Mazurkas!
WOW!!!! YOU have so much content to discover. Wonderful! Welcome to my crazy musical world! Enjoy!!
Thank you for straining your hands and your neck for this video!
this is the only video I found explaining this etude thank you very much
I'm so happy you found it and like it!
Thank you! Your videos are a blessing for pianists. I have gathered the courage to learn this piece now :)
Lovely!!! Thank you so much!!!
I started yesturday
I always thought the ‘butterfly’ referred to the flapping motion of the hands when playing this piece - looking a bit like a butterfly’s wings in flight - especially the fluttering of right hand. Perhaps it still becomes a monster in the recapitulation! Either way, amazing video and analysis. Thank you so much Greg!
Thank you! That's the only explanation that actually makes sense
Greg, thanks for a great discussion.
I love this etude for its joyful mood.
Don't worry too much about the camera angles -- either way is great!
Yes, that's the best
When i was 16, I got carpal tunnel. During my time in college, studying with a university professor, we've been working to fix my technique. It's been a year and we still have lots to work on but my technique has changed a lot and my knuckles are almost never collapsing on the keys like they used to. My technique is still far from perfect but I have very little tension now. I'm currently working on trying not to rush learning repertoire to really develop my abilities to play and digest the music. I'm 19 and in a place where I only want to learn as much music as I can, but it takes discipline for me to slow down and really focus on my technique as well as what I'm doing to the music.
What an apropos confession. Thank you. So many of us have been down the same path. Learning extremely slowly is the only solution to correcting poor technique,if it in fact CAN be corrected. Forget the metronome marking (which may or may not be Chopin's) and play it like MUSIC. It isn't "Damn the torpedoes; full speed ahead.". That's possibly why the Titanic went down. Play music, , not notes.
YES!!!!!!! Thank you!
I could listen to you for hours
Wow.... Thanks!
Thank you maestro! This was profound and hilarious at the same time. And with this I mean to give a great compliment! Alfredo
Hahahaha, thank you Alfredo!
What a wonderful and instructive analysis! Also, you are not only a magnificent pianist but you have a truly wonderful imagination. Just think, anyone who insists on thinking of this piece as illustrative of a "butterfly" must now finally deal will the appearance of Godzilla! I love it!!! RIP little butterfly! 😇
Hahahhaha , thank you so much!!!!
It makes me feel better to hear that you had not only had quite bad technique but also attempted your first etude at 15 😅 my first etude is op 10 no 12 that I'm currently working on with quite bad technique as well! However, I do try my best to adhere to the fingerings suggested to avoid making my difficulty even harder. Thank you for giving me hope of becoming a great pianist like you at my age of 19!
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Thank you for sharing! It was **exactly** the same for me. This was my first etude, and my first major mistake in piano 😂
Everyone saying this etude was one of the easiest made me severely underestimate this piece, especially when you consider Chopin's tempo marking... I only managed to reach around 90 bpm after almost 5 months of practice.
I have since only played one other etude, op 25 no 12, and I found it significantly easier...?
How would you consider the difficulty of this etude with some of the other *"easier"* etudes?
Thanks!!! I'm glad you understand me. Well ... It's hard to say. Every Chopin's Etude is hard but op 25 no.12 is relatively easy if you practice it well. Op.25 no. 2 also of you catch the correct rhythm... Each etude had different problems. It's difficult to compare
@@gregniemczuk Thanks for the advice! I suppose it also depends a lot on the pianist. 🙂
Any “easy” Etude becomes impossible to play it if you don’t know how to approach it. If you figure out how to overcome the difficulties in the best and easiest possible way in those etudes, they are very “easy” to play.
The main difficulty in this etude is called tension in the right hand. In order to deal with this tension you must do the unthinkable, don’t play the thumb with physical legato when the thumb starts the motive or if it causes tension. The required legato is obtained by speed and sound control.
In order to obtain speed in the right hand you need to keep close every movement. Practicing in groups of three the sixteenth notes as fast, clear, accurate and light as possible is a first step. The first staccato octave must be reached by sliding movement as effortless as possible, no matter if you go from bottom to black keys or from right to left or left to right. That movement will allow you to release the momentary tension from the previous two sixteenth notes you have played, it becomes like two movements instead of three. Once you have been able to make this movement without feeling any tension, you have to practice by grouping the sixteenth notes in such a way that the beginning of every motive gets in the middle so you can achieve fluency and accuracy. The light sound comes from speed and the control of the weight of your hand. If you need a louder sound you will get the necessary strength from the motion of your wrist, the momentum created by the previous motion and nothing more. You can’t go deep nor let your fingers remain in the keys.
Basically, you need to be aware of the movements that your hand needs to do to make and practice those in order to make everything as easy as possible. Every movement in both of your hands must be optimal. Otherwise you won’t develop the required speed and the sound will be clumsy, the etude will sound as if you were tripping every 5 or six steps
For me this is a piece that starts with some sense of suspense and then tension and which leaves, at the end, like the moment in which a lid is lifted, a great sense of joyful irony, or, if you will, of joy ironic, which is renewed every time, even consecutively, that the piece is listened to: that final silence, so impromptu, also due to the exquisite rhythmic competence of the performer, continues to be a great playful surprise every time: it is perhaps the way with which 'absolute' music expresses that positive dimension of the human spirit which is precisely irony: in an extremely effective way, 'absolute' irony.
The idea of lasagna is very useful to remember the various periods of which the piece is composed.
As an Italian I am flattered by the fact that lasagna, already highly appreciated by them, also serves this further noble purpose.
Congratulations to Grzegorz (I allow myself to write like this because years ago, in honor of various people, I learned a little Polish, 16 lessons out of 100, then stupidly (you get used to everything) I stopped when I discovered that Polish declines even proper names, although I had dealt with various foreign languages for me, I had never found such a thing, I apologize for the digression) Niemczuk who with wit, competence and effectiveness graciously put together, almost miraculously, farfalle, lasagne and Chopin. It was early in the morning and after watching and listening to this video I felt better prepared to face the day.
Thank you so much! Grazie!!! And wow with your Polish!
a bit late but I just found out about this video and I think it really helped me to understand this etude, I think I should also fix my technique, may I know details about that technique that will take 2-3 years to fix (when you’re 18)? and are you really just focused on improving your technique at that time, or are you still learning other challenging pieces? thank you very much, btw you’re very talented in teaching!!👏
Hi Shofia. It's much longer topic. Please add me on WhatsApp: +48453405920. I'll explain you this problem by voice message
Thank you for this wonderful video!! My second favorite of Chopin's Études! Did you know that the melody of this etude is supposedly based off the 3rd movement of Beethoven's 25th Sonata?
That's interesting!!
Yes, I believe there is a word, "stubbornly" 🙂
Yes, later I checked it in the dictionary, it exists!!
I regret that I know deep in my heart that I need to go back. I've been playing a good bit of Chopin's music for 2 years now. I've played his Ballade No.1, his Etude no. 3, some waltzes, and a Prelude in E minor. But alas, I need to go back and learn warm-ups, major and minor scales up and down across octaves, more technique, trills, arpeggios, sight-reading (that which I most despise because it is so tedious). I really don't want to because I want to keep going and learn more, but I can't play with the best technique, the best touch, the most beautiful if I do not know these techniques. I love playing the piano, and improvising and playing Chopin, but I'm scared that I'm not as great a pianist I could be because I never went through this basic training I the beginning.
Don't worry. If you have good motivation, you should do it. Read about Arthur Schnabel, I think he had similar situation, he had to step back and improve his basics technique in the later age. We have many examples of this. I support you and encourage you! Everything will sound better if your technique will improve!
Great video. I don't like either the titles they put to sell books of chopin, they would be sold without them. I think the guy behind "butterfly" just looked at the staccato of the hand...😂
Hahahaha, most likely!
The thumbnail is so funny !
Thanks!!! 😀😀😀
That's how the camera will be set for tonight!
@@gregniemczuk nicee!! It will be much easier to see what your playing!!
@@kofiLjunggren that's why I made this experiment. I think I'll continue like this when I'll be making tutorials videos!
Hey Greg, sorry to hear about correcting the bad technique at age 18. 😢 I hope I don't have to suffer from bad technique, then have to correct it in my mid 50's. Therefore, I will pay very close attention to the tension in my right arm as I embark on the journey with this piece. Cheers! and thanks for your videos. As for another creature other than the butterfly, I would recommend finches or some other bird that hops around on the ground looking for food. No, no, no - no horror movie, just larger birds landing then hopping around to get the food before the smaller birds eat it.
Nice image! Thanks a lot!
When did this get named Butterfly Etude? This was a really funny video. Thank you.
Probably it was given by English publisher so that it will sell better.. I'm not sure though.
Maybe its the butterfly effect that causes the fortissimo : )
Hahahahahahaha
It’s is blurred
Sorry, camera was broken after recording 300 videos lol
It's fine. The knowledge & expertise - which is the most important part, was as good as always!
@@nilsragnar1347 thank you! I think I fixed the camera for the next videos. Sorry for this one
Is me again
Can u speak faster ..?
Sorryz cannot