I come from a high end Hi Fi background. Three way is better then two way. Around late 1970s Braun speakers of Germany invented the soft dome tweeter. They had a full line of three way speakers. In the store I worked we sold Mcintosh, Tandberg, Bang and Olfsun, Crown, Yamaha (best electronics out of Japan at the time). We did not sell Advent speaker and kLH, Jbl , Altec Lansing and AR which were all popular at the time. But we never lost a sale to them. Braun later imported there drivers and a company ADS made the same speakers in USA. I personally had a pair of ADS 710s which were three way with double 7 inch whoofers. To this day I have not heard a speaker that sounded better. The coax idea is Genius. Kef has a best selling speaker LS 50 metas and they are coaxial design. So as much as I love Yamaha, and I think they had best quality studio monitors because of there speakers and amps (which they use in studio monitors) I would say best results would be a quality three way speaker. Sorry about long explanation!
Oh and by the way Yamaha at the time made a very high quality speaker called the NS 1000 with beriliym tweeters (for home hifi or mixing) in Ebony wood! But as beautiful as they were, when playing next to Braun 810s, well I never sold a Yamaha NS1000 against them. Yamaha makes great pianos and mixing boards.
These speakers will resist phase cancellation; Here is what Kali says: in fact there design resist phase cancellation, here is what they say: Coaxial speaker designs - in which multiple transducers are placed concentrically on the same acoustical axis - aren’t vulnerable to this problem. With coaxial studio monitors, as the listener moves off-axis in any direction, the geometry of the transducers’ distances to the listening location remains consistent. “Having concentric speakers means you don’t get those off-axis phase cancellations. You get a much stronger stereo image, and you can hear much more detail,” says Baglyos.
Thanks for the great video. I'm curious why you'd say they aren't enjoyable for music playback. I'm in the market for midfield monitors for casual use because I sit about 8 feet away from my tv. I also love the imaging benefit of concentric designs having owned Elac and currently Tannoy speakers. In the case that these in8 feel fatiguing for playback wouldn't the treble -3 dipswitch do the trick?
I've been using IN-5's strapped to a WS-6.2 and the sound is incredible for the money. However I've just moved to a much bigger room so I'm going to swap up to the 8's to let the top bins breathe a bit more. The WS-6.2 sub is incredible and fully I recommend it, the biggest surprise was that the sound stage got even bigger with the sub taking the very lows out of the tops. Superb! 😎
You've got my dream audio setup IN-5 + WS 6.2. Do you really think the upgrade to the IN-8 is necessary? Cause, as they say, the smaller the woofer/speaker, the faster the transients. So, with that said, IN-5 might sound "sharpier"? Idk if upgrading to IN-8 would improve anything for you, but only downgrade your transients perception. I would love to hear what is your experience with these. Thanks!
My room is about 4ft in width, 7ft in length and 8ft in height, I have it treat with panels around the wall and ceiling, should I go for the in5 or in8
@@ju1ceaudio thanks got you, I was just worried about losing some of the imaging if I dont get the in8, but I know since my room small it is more recommended for the in5
Great video, I love your B-roll and editing! How would these compare to the older Neumann KH120As, which used go for the same price? They're a smaller 2-way design more comparable with the IN-5s. Undoubtably much higher build quality, but the Kalis have that 3-way design.
@@ju1ceaudio Interesting, so you would place the IN-8s above pretty much any 2-way design? The Kalis are kind of the only 3-way option, especially in a formfactor/size comparable to the IN-5s, until you’re willing to spend multiples more. What pulls me towards the Neumanns is that they’re super established in the industry. I know quite a few professionals who either worked on the KH120s or still use them in their Atmos builds or for other purposes. I see them everywhere here in Germany and have worked on them a few times, just never owned a pair. The Kalis are more than a decade newer, but all I see is raving (mostly paid) reviews without direct comparisons to more higher end monitors. Maybe I just have to buy a used pair of KH120s and order the IN-5 or 8s from Thomann and then see for myself. Then either send the Kalis back or sell the Neumanns again.
The In-8s are the best use of cheap drivers basically. There are 2 ways that are faster and more accurate but the 3-way coaxial specifically is probably the best design for speakers. Keep in mind ive used these cheap ones to super expensive atcs and ive found the kalis are really nice.
I'm running sonarworks on the Apollo DSP now - would you still not recommend using Sonarworks with these monitors and working towards tuning them without? Thank you for this video
Hey thanks bro, well I personally think life is easier with out sonarworks BUT if you can fix your room with acoustics then sonarworks does a really good job. I’ve used it in all rooms I’ve been in.
Fantastic video mate. How do I calibrate it to the room? Is that any such feature? Isnt this is very important? I dont believe the tuning feature give the same results as calibrate a speaker for a room?
Would you say the sound quality of the adam a8h are worth the price when compared these? For example about $3k for the a8h pair versus $800 for the pair of Kali in 8 v2's. I really liked the ribbon tweeter but I dont know if the $2200 difference is justified since I never heard either monitor in person. I had Adam T7V previously with t10s sub and was more than happy with that setup at the time. I look forward to seeing review of the kali sub !! I mainly work on trap beats and enjoy low bass extension. Thanks man.
It depends honestly how they sound in your room. The adam a8h sounds super good and are worth the price. The kalis you get more for the price but of course you can get better quality if you spend more. These are better than the t7vs forsure though.
How am I supposed to connect my Left and Right RCA/XLR outputs into ONE RCA/XLR input??? Why didn't you mention that? Oh, each speaker get one input, I think. So you need long cables. There's no speaker cable involved, or a proprietary cable like the LP UNF. Would be nice if you could bypass the amp, to test/use your own.
Hey man, great video! Ive been using HS8's for 4 years in my studio at home and wanted a set for my new studio. I really value a wide soundstage and great imaging, because i work with alot of atmospheric sounds. Do you think these would be better than the HS8's in that regard?
@@MaxiMovieryou do realize Kali was started by former JBL engineers who didn' want to compromise using the gentleman featured in an interview on TH-cam. Never seen a review listing JBL as having a better sound than Kali.
Hi, you are reviewing several monitors I am currently considering for purchase. You seem to really like the Kali, 1. would you suggest them over the Adam A7X/A7Vs that you own?? Also you seem to like the coaxial design…..do you prefer that design over the regular separate 3 way design?? I am really considering Adam A8H (at the top of budget) for its 3 way design and 8 inch woofer to hopefully eliminate needing a sub. I currently have KRK V6 S4 6.5 inch monitors with a K10s sub. Thanks
Hello, so i would say its all about your room first, if you can try any of those first i would. yeah coaxial is the best by far for mixing, or at least 3 way beats a 2 way mostly. I would take the in-8s over the a7v but the a8hs are super good if you want more bass and have a larger room.
Love your videos! I need speakers for my desktop for near field Hifi listening, often at low volumes. I have a sub and a fantastic R2R dac. So monitors make sense as they are designed to perform in near field but to your point they won’t make the music sound good. What do you recommend for this use case?
I've listened a in8 v2 monitor conected straight to my smartphone (xlr to 3.5 jack). Do you think there would be a significant sound improvement if i added a DAC between them? Or not that much?
@@ju1ceaudio I mean, I don’t know if it is distortion. It kinda is. When I play some notes like (G2, E3, B3), they are not clear. There is some additional sound. It is a sine wave from serum sub oscilator, so it is easy to catch. When I A/B compare it to my Adam Audio F5, there is no additional sound, only the sine wave.
I think there’s too many downsides vs upsides to using sonarworks. The latency forces you to turn it off whenever You’re not mixing… If you have an apollo you can analyze your room and put an eq on the monitor output without dealing with the latency. The results might not be as good as sonarworks, but it’s latency free - and free
well the adam a8h are better but obv cost way more. It depends because some people like the ribbon and some people hate it. The adams have to be farther away more mid field as well.
Thanks for the video. I can't help wondering if these speakers give you more separation in tone values when you mix will that transfer well to most people who are listening on 2 way speakers. Could you let me know your thoughts please?
Hmm thats great question. That would be the case if these 3 way had bad cross over between the diferent drivers. But luckly it doesnt and it sound mostly like 1 speaker.
@@ju1ceaudio I see, so not a big difference that would be lost but the attention to mids would be improved on other systems because you are able to magnify the mids. Thanks
@@Marco-HidalgoMusicRecordsconsidering how expensive everything is in the audio industry.. 400 each is pretty reasonable for the amount of quality that you’re getting
@ Maybe they are great monitors (I never used them) but 800 bucks is not BUDGET for a Home studio, considering that you can get 2 Yamaha HS5s for that price or the Presonus E5 and are very good monitors!! Anyway I guess it always comes down to what you can afford ✌🏻😜
@@Marco-HidalgoMusicRecords Well they're certainly one tier above the cheapest entry level monitors, but considering top tier speakers can go up to $20,000 a pair, they most definitely are budget in the grand scheme of studio monitors.
Hey man appreciate the video! What would you say if i hang 6 pieces of them in a bar/lounge for decent background music mainly deep house, vocal house easy stuff… is there any other studiomonitor you would recommend ? Max 500 usd each max size would be 6-8 inch. Woudl appreciate the help as i reslly cant decide 😂
wish they had the switch button on the front like my old Mackies
Yeah switch in the front is the best like me old adam a7x
I come from a high end Hi Fi background. Three way is better then two way. Around late 1970s Braun speakers of Germany invented the soft dome tweeter. They had a full line of three way speakers. In the store I worked we sold Mcintosh, Tandberg, Bang and Olfsun, Crown, Yamaha (best electronics out of Japan at the time). We did not sell Advent speaker and kLH, Jbl , Altec Lansing and AR which were all popular at the time. But we never lost a sale to them. Braun later imported there drivers and a company ADS made the same speakers in USA. I personally had a pair of ADS 710s which were three way with double 7 inch whoofers. To this day I have not heard a speaker that sounded better. The coax idea is Genius. Kef has a best selling speaker LS 50 metas and they are coaxial design.
So as much as I love Yamaha, and I think they had best quality studio monitors because of there speakers and amps (which they use in studio monitors) I would say best results would be a quality three way speaker. Sorry about long explanation!
Oh and by the way Yamaha at the time made a very high quality speaker called the NS 1000 with beriliym tweeters (for home hifi or mixing) in Ebony wood!
But as beautiful as they were, when playing next to Braun 810s, well I never sold a Yamaha NS1000 against them. Yamaha makes great pianos and mixing boards.
3 way is best 100% the more i use them the more i realize it is critical.
These speakers will resist phase cancellation; Here is what Kali says: in fact there design resist phase cancellation, here is what they say: Coaxial speaker designs - in which multiple transducers are placed concentrically on the same acoustical axis - aren’t vulnerable to this problem. With coaxial studio monitors, as the listener moves off-axis in any direction, the geometry of the transducers’ distances to the listening location remains consistent.
“Having concentric speakers means you don’t get those off-axis phase cancellations. You get a much stronger stereo image, and you can hear much more detail,” says Baglyos.
Thanks for the explanation !
Thanks for the great video. I'm curious why you'd say they aren't enjoyable for music playback. I'm in the market for midfield monitors for casual use because I sit about 8 feet away from my tv. I also love the imaging benefit of concentric designs having owned Elac and currently Tannoy speakers. In the case that these in8 feel fatiguing for playback wouldn't the treble -3 dipswitch do the trick?
Well they are not very fun to listen too because they are plain but deliver audio honestly.
I've been using IN-5's strapped to a WS-6.2 and the sound is incredible for the money. However I've just moved to a much bigger room so I'm going to swap up to the 8's to let the top bins breathe a bit more. The WS-6.2 sub is incredible and fully I recommend it, the biggest surprise was that the sound stage got even bigger with the sub taking the very lows out of the tops. Superb! 😎
Yeah bro just keep in mind the in-8s are bigger than the ws. 6.2 sub! they are huge
You've got my dream audio setup IN-5 + WS 6.2. Do you really think the upgrade to the IN-8 is necessary? Cause, as they say, the smaller the woofer/speaker, the faster the transients. So, with that said, IN-5 might sound "sharpier"? Idk if upgrading to IN-8 would improve anything for you, but only downgrade your transients perception. I would love to hear what is your experience with these. Thanks!
My room is about 4ft in width, 7ft in length and 8ft in height, I have it treat with panels around the wall and ceiling, should I go for the in5 or in8
in 5 tbh
@@ju1ceaudio thanks got you, I was just worried about losing some of the imaging if I dont get the in8, but I know since my room small it is more recommended for the in5
Great video, I love your B-roll and editing!
How would these compare to the older Neumann KH120As, which used go for the same price?
They're a smaller 2-way design more comparable with the IN-5s.
Undoubtably much higher build quality, but the Kalis have that 3-way design.
I feel like the 3 way design is always much better. After going back to 2 way it sounds like a hole in the quality of the midrange.
And thank you bro! I love filming and editing so i appreciate it.
@@ju1ceaudio Interesting, so you would place the IN-8s above pretty much any 2-way design?
The Kalis are kind of the only 3-way option, especially in a formfactor/size comparable to the IN-5s, until you’re willing to spend multiples more.
What pulls me towards the Neumanns is that they’re super established in the industry.
I know quite a few professionals who either worked on the KH120s or still use them in their Atmos builds or for other purposes.
I see them everywhere here in Germany and have worked on them a few times, just never owned a pair.
The Kalis are more than a decade newer, but all I see is raving (mostly paid) reviews without direct comparisons to more higher end monitors.
Maybe I just have to buy a used pair of KH120s and order the IN-5 or 8s from Thomann and then see for myself.
Then either send the Kalis back or sell the Neumanns again.
The In-8s are the best use of cheap drivers basically. There are 2 ways that are faster and more accurate but the 3-way coaxial specifically is probably the best design for speakers. Keep in mind ive used these cheap ones to super expensive atcs and ive found the kalis are really nice.
@@ju1ceaudio Thanks a lot!
Your input really helps!
How do these compare to your ATC's out of interest? Functionally, can you mix better on the ATC?
They are both good tbh but it really depends on your room. ATC are way overhyped tbh lol
Thanks for the review - I use these now and agree with pretty much everything said.
Sick bro!
what type of Desk is that ? with the rack on them
I'm running sonarworks on the Apollo DSP now - would you still not recommend using Sonarworks with these monitors and working towards tuning them without? Thank you for this video
Hey thanks bro, well I personally think life is easier with out sonarworks BUT if you can fix your room with acoustics then sonarworks does a really good job. I’ve used it in all rooms I’ve been in.
@@ju1ceaudio thank you for the response and noted 🙏
Do you feel you need to turn them up to a certain level to get enough air-flow for the port?
Uh no not at all.
@@ju1ceaudioawesome! Thanks👍
Fantastic video mate. How do I calibrate it to the room? Is that any such feature? Isnt this is very important? I dont believe the tuning feature give the same results as calibrate a speaker for a room?
If you want fine tuning you can use sonarworks, but wother wise there are many options on these that i dont find sonarworks necessary
@@ju1ceaudioSo is it best to keep the Eq flat via the dip switches? I pushed them up to the +2 in highs…should I just make them flat?
@@ThisIsVersatile You set them however you need to according to your room
Would you say the sound quality of the adam a8h are worth the price when compared these? For example about $3k for the a8h pair versus $800 for the pair of Kali in 8 v2's. I really liked the ribbon tweeter but I dont know if the $2200 difference is justified since I never heard either monitor in person.
I had Adam T7V previously with t10s sub and was more than happy with that setup at the time. I look forward to seeing review of the kali sub !! I mainly work on trap beats and enjoy low bass extension. Thanks man.
It depends honestly how they sound in your room. The adam a8h sounds super good and are worth the price. The kalis you get more for the price but of course you can get better quality if you spend more. These are better than the t7vs forsure though.
How am I supposed to connect my Left and Right RCA/XLR outputs into ONE RCA/XLR input??? Why didn't you mention that? Oh, each speaker get one input, I think. So you need long cables. There's no speaker cable involved, or a proprietary cable like the LP UNF. Would be nice if you could bypass the amp, to test/use your own.
Yeah you need a long cable. Speakers are usually like this.
Hey man, great video! Ive been using HS8's for 4 years in my studio at home and wanted a set for my new studio. I really value a wide soundstage and great imaging, because i work with alot of atmospheric sounds. Do you think these would be better than the HS8's in that regard?
Thanks bro! Yeah these are way better than the hs8s. The mid range driver defiantly improves the soundstage by alot
@ju1ceaudio thanks for the quick response man! I think it's time for a change, Kali it is. Earned that sub mate.
@@daniyalahmed97 do not buy kali trash - take jbl lsr 308 and be happy
@@MaxiMovieryou do realize Kali was started by former JBL engineers who didn' want to compromise using the gentleman featured in an interview on TH-cam. Never seen a review listing JBL as having a better sound than Kali.
@@brianfromsyr it doesnt change anything just listen to both without beijg focusef
How do these compare to Yamaha HS8?
-the highs of those shred my ears and I get ear fatigue quickly
the hs8s are very fatiguing, and the tanslation is way better on the kalis
Hi, you are reviewing several monitors I am currently considering for purchase. You seem to really like the Kali, 1. would you suggest them over the Adam A7X/A7Vs that you own?? Also you seem to like the coaxial design…..do you prefer that design over the regular separate 3 way design?? I am really considering Adam A8H (at the top of budget) for its 3 way design and 8 inch woofer to hopefully eliminate needing a sub. I currently have KRK V6 S4 6.5 inch monitors with a K10s sub. Thanks
Hello, so i would say its all about your room first, if you can try any of those first i would. yeah coaxial is the best by far for mixing, or at least 3 way beats a 2 way mostly. I would take the in-8s over the a7v but the a8hs are super good if you want more bass and have a larger room.
@@ju1ceaudio thx!! I will order and try the A8H first, and if my room cant handle it, i will try IN8 and save me some money.
sounds good bro!
Love your videos!
I need speakers for my desktop for near field Hifi listening, often at low volumes. I have a sub and a fantastic R2R dac. So monitors make sense as they are designed to perform in near field but to your point they won’t make the music sound good. What do you recommend for this use case?
the kali unf are super good, i reviewed them on my channel a few months back!
what do you recommend for hifi listening and DJing
These are very analytical and not to much sub bass. I wouldnt get monitors prob something more fun like hifi speakers.
Krk g4 5 vs kali lp6v2 wich beter please reply sir
Kali all day bruv
I've listened a in8 v2 monitor conected straight to my smartphone (xlr to 3.5 jack). Do you think there would be a significant sound improvement if i added a DAC between them? Or not that much?
Yeah there would be in quaility forsure
Mate that is wild 😂 why would you do that hahaha
Is your Kali's distort on single sine wave ? I bought mine and they do :( I don't know if it is normal
NO! They should have zero distortion , return those asap. What hz was it btw?
@@ju1ceaudio I mean, I don’t know if it is distortion. It kinda is. When I play some notes like (G2, E3, B3), they are not clear. There is some additional sound. It is a sine wave from serum sub oscilator, so it is easy to catch. When I A/B compare it to my Adam Audio F5, there is no additional sound, only the sine wave.
Hi, in comparison to krk v8s4? What you 'll say?
Ive never heard the krks actually!
Why staying away from sonarworks? Whats the obvious reason? 😮 serious question. 👋🏼
I produce alot as well so it gets in the way. Buggy sometimes too
I think there’s too many downsides vs upsides to using sonarworks. The latency forces you to turn it off whenever You’re not mixing… If you have an apollo you can analyze your room and put an eq on the monitor output without dealing with the latency. The results might not be as good as sonarworks, but it’s latency free - and free
Not for an audiophile ?
No definitely not. I would not enjoy these from far-field
Your opinion these monitors vs Adams a8H (both 3 way)?,Thanks for the video.
well the adam a8h are better but obv cost way more. It depends because some people like the ribbon and some people hate it. The adams have to be farther away more mid field as well.
@@ju1ceaudio Thanks
Really wish you can get your hands on the Neumann Kh310s. Would love your opinion on those.
Yeah man I heard those are solid. Ill email them.
appreciate the video man.
Thank you!
it play from 45 hz ? kali wrote 37
I think that is -10db
@@ju1ceaudio i dont know what do you mean
basically it only plays to 45hz audibly lol
Thank you!
Welcome Bro!
Kali in 8 vs krk 10-3 G4
Zero benefits going for the KRKs other then maybe more bass/noise. More, not better.
Kali all day bro. Those poop on the KRK
Thanks for the video. I can't help wondering if these speakers give you more separation in tone values when you mix
will that transfer well to most people who are listening on 2 way speakers. Could you let me know your thoughts please?
Hmm thats great question. That would be the case if these 3 way had bad cross over between the diferent drivers. But luckly it doesnt and it sound mostly like 1 speaker.
@@ju1ceaudio I see, so not a big difference that would be lost but the attention to mids would be improved on other systems because you are able to magnify the mids. Thanks
Yup!
Dope! This is fire! 🔥🔥💯
Thanks 🔥
"BUDGET STUDIO MONITORS" ONLY 400 dollars each!!!! 😆😆
Haha they is budget bro! but they honestly punch way above there price.
@@ju1ceaudio What I mean is that 400 each is not budget buddy!!!! 🤪🤪
@@Marco-HidalgoMusicRecordsconsidering how expensive everything is in the audio industry.. 400 each is pretty reasonable for the amount of quality that you’re getting
@ Maybe they are great monitors (I never used them) but 800 bucks is not BUDGET for a Home studio, considering that you can get 2 Yamaha HS5s for that price or the Presonus E5 and are very good monitors!! Anyway I guess it always comes down to what you can afford ✌🏻😜
@@Marco-HidalgoMusicRecords Well they're certainly one tier above the cheapest entry level monitors, but considering top tier speakers can go up to $20,000 a pair, they most definitely are budget in the grand scheme of studio monitors.
do not be fooled - kali audio is the trash they have phase cancellation - they not reproduce hihats cymbales etc.
what makes you say that?
@@ju1ceaudio tested 2 models - both the same crap
@@ju1ceaudio did U tried to listen to the hihats or cymbals? They dont exists on kali garbage
What’s similar price point that is better or doesn’t have that problem?
@@Daytwoo jbl lsr
Hey man appreciate the video! What would you say if i hang 6 pieces of them in a bar/lounge for decent background music mainly deep house, vocal house easy stuff… is there any other studiomonitor you would recommend ? Max 500 usd each max size would be 6-8 inch. Woudl appreciate the help as i reslly cant decide 😂
No i wouldn't do that bro. They are very dry for mixing purposes. You should go with something more lively and spacious. Also these are massively big.
What about in5
I havent heard them but im sure with a sub those are killer