For as many times as i've seen this interview,i keep finding something different every time i watch it again..The brilliance of this interaction is precious still to this day. Nikki's intelligence,strength of caracter coupled with her breathtaking iconic beauty is and will forever be timeless and so will jimi's brilliance and wisdom..
What kills me about this interview is Baldwin argued for a black man’s right to be angry, and excuses for his behavior in the home. What he didn’t understand is that projecting anger onto your family because you suffer daily destroys families. And that’s why we’re so divided today. This was an extraordinary interview, and Giovanni is such a powerful underrated voice
See jimmy being. A genius and calculated i think he was more so asking questions for her to answer and expand on not as a way to make excuses as he was gay but always used matters of the day to express a point
I also think as he kept saying it, he agreed with her honestly what I’m getting from it is that he was trying to empathize, not make excuses kind of like being a realist you know also, I’m not arguing with you. I also do understand your point as well, but what I seem to understand from him Him being realistic about why men do what they do because she kept asking why black men do that he even asserted that it was not right, but it is simply the state of the man that doesn’t mean that the man cannot change and it sucks because what she is saying is so true they come home and treat the ones they love so bad is as if the moment they gain some rancor in the world they put black women out there footstool I’m so sorry coming from a trans black woman. I have so much love and respect for black women.
Right, which is why I loved this interview. He didn't act irate, he explained, but even still, you'd have to realize the black man is the problem in the community, not the black woman, like black men say. They have an inner struggle with themselves, how the world treats them, etc. They struggle to be true leaders/men of their community, and project it onto bw. They blame a "hoodrat", as if the "thugs" didn't create her.
Very insightful and interesting interview. For the past few years i find myself watching a lot of interviews, of all types from 60s-80s. What strikes me is the articulation, clarity and honesty of speech and ideas that were presented to us as a society. These types of talks are what help move us forward. It is so unfortunate what we are presented today it is striking how shallow and hallow the ideas are with obvious preconceptions, no honesty and an obvious intent to blind us. Thank you for posting.
The whole video itself taught me a lot about myself. I’m so glad and blessed that I am able to watch this cause it definitely helped me a lot, especially during this moment in my life. I’m 21 and I feel like I know it all but at the same time I don’t and this video gave me a sense of guidance and helped me a lot.
just started watching this video, im about halfway through “the fire next time” and i just love the way he speaks, im 21 too and it feels good to see someone the same age here and engaging with the greats
I found this on Peacock and watched 2 episodes (Soul!). Anyone else notice how the camera kept panning up and down her body? Regardless, this discussion is SO good!!
It is irritating when people post bits of these conversations on TikTok or Instagram. I'm happy and thankful that I can often find the whole thing on TH-cam. So, thank you very much.
I love watching this interaction and recognizing the Black Feminism pouring from Nikki Giovanni. I feel like I am watching a movement in one of its brightest forms. In many ways it felt as if James Baldwin was defending the damage Black men bestow upon Black women because of the damage bestowed upon him by the greater society. Who is the Black woman to trust if not her own kin? Powerful display of thought. Just wow.
I dont think James Baldwin was defending, but explaining the psychology of it. I wish they would've agreed this is a real thing, but how do we fix it. Black men have & had limited ways to release their frustrations, but we must learn how to do it in a matter that does not lead to self-harm or harming those in their care. There are more safe, productive outlets now like athletics, therapy, etc than was available in the past...but this is still something we need to improve.
@@anxious08It sounds as if he was defending. But i understand there was 20year age difference. Nikki was sooo ahead of her time. James was smart, but he was no Nikki. She aint take no crap. I love it.
@@Marialeovenus I love this comment. I don’t think he was speaking down to her. I agree that the age difference is what made him refer to her as baby. It was more endearing and I do believe he was very impressed with her intellect and rebellion.
I want everybody to understand what this man is saying. I’m so glad you still have Nikki, Giovanni James Baldwin never went to college with spoken a whole Lotta colleges. Did you know that that was called intelligence because education as a human construct and for people that’s of African descent we know they don’t tell us the truth.
Its about the children, we have to give the children something, which was in a way given to us, we just have to translate it❤❤❤❤❤the world in which you grew up will be remote for him, but he's gotta be liberated by it, have respect for it, but not be threatened by it. This is not just black heritage, this is human heritage ❤❤
when you dont'have the cultural information growing up , you need to find true sources of your history within the people who was out there in it and making contributions to the culture. I only know what was written in the books at my interracial schools and it wasn't enough for me to understand and know my history. so I am THANKFUL FOR ALL WHO CAME BEFORE ME AND TOLD IT AS THEY LIVED IT. It's necessary to know where and who we are as a people and the struggles we faced. to do better you must know better. this is better than rightt now, twitter, fb, instagram, and all the other media channels.
Baldwin masters everything-language just the beginning. When I read Giovanni’s Room I remember wondering what section of my bookshelf to put it in: history, philosophy, gender studies, or black studies. Fuck the divisions.
This is my second time watching this dialogue and I never heard Nikki say she would sell her soul for the world. She would rather the world and everyone else can keep Jesus. That’s Dangerous for a someone that’s learning to digest that.
Suuuch emotional damage and trauma! Breaking these generational curses requires a intentional approach over time. I'm really glad to see people (men and women) seeking therapy even though it can be challenging to find racial affirming and culturally sensitive professionals in the field.
@gabrielmaroto18 I felt that as well. Makes perfect sense to me that he, 19 years her senior, would have his perspective hard-wired by his experiences and... the patriarchy. Definitely can't even imagine him seeking therapy in the 1940s to process the trauma of blackness.
"A defeated man." You have no respect for a man who dedicated his life to conceptualizing black life in America. He dedicated himself to helping black people and describing the ills of slavery and prejudice on black people in the 21st century. And you sit here and judge because your brain can't comprehend what his objective is.
I wonder how Nikki and James' conversation would have changed once Nikki got older and had more life experience. Yes, this was an interesting dialog between the two of them. However, Nikki s perspective is extremely narrow-minded by her refusal to other viewpoints based on her own beliefs at that time which is disheartening and expected. Her stance validates the point James was attempting to make on experiences and traumas effecting our thought processes and behaviors.
I think that, throughout this discussion (which was REALLY a debate), Baldwin was patiently trying to impress upon Giovani exactly how and WHY the Black man has become what he is. As most 27 year olds do (I have kids), she defended the points accurately, but from only HER perspective. And it is supremely FOOLISH to only consider YOUR experience instead of opening your mind and heart to gain understanding of another's. Intellectual, though she was, she was YOUNG. This was something akin to watching a father talk to a daughter about how to help her husband thrive and succeed. I love BOTH writers, and I believe that these talks should be archived in the annals of Black literature for years to come. The information is STILL pertinent today. I understand, now, that when my husband comes home angry and confused because of his lack of progress in light of his hard work and effort, that it is MY job to assuage those feelings of inadequacy and guilt. He did nothing to deserve his fate, and neither did I.... But SOMEBODY has got to be supportive and have some SENSE. If I was born to help, then HELP I must be.
So if we get to analyse their points of view from a rational and an emotional dimension, what they both seem to produce is a meta cognitive vision upon the existential realities both the woman and the men is experiencing. We know what’s altering these situations, we understand the conditions that influence his behaviour and we have a strong sense of the emotional reality that he’s forged into thinking and manifesting throughout this lifetime of hardwork. By comprehending these points of view, one has to choose wich existential narrative wishes to portray and manifest throughout the course of their relationship. I would personally choose to understand and comfort the men that is struggling, but at the same time I won’t let my reason to be overcomed by my emotions. On this matter, I strongly believe there is more a question of sincerity and authenticity. The least I could do is to be sincere about what is really undergoing through our consciousness. And then act authentically by expressing an alleviating emotional response towards the tragedy of one’s life condition. I don’t necessarily think that we have to be rational all the time in our relationships with the others, especially the members of our family. We can’t be such moral monsters. But I do stand for the principle of sincerity towards one’s self as an individual.
I believe this was partially because of the age difference. He’s seen more therefore he knows more. Either way I hope it didn’t upset you to the point that you missed the message entirely. Love.
@@ShroneJohnson I think she was listening or maybe she wasn’t! If so, I think it’s because of age and the fact that Baldwin was touching deeply on some subjects close to her heart. Like when they were speaking about why her father treated her mother the way he did. As Baldwin was explaining, “I’m not defending it, I’m just explaining how a man gets to that point”. She seemed to take some things personal, but you can tell Baldwin understood this by the way he responded and allowed her to spout how she felt.
How was she not listening? I believed she listened, but also made him aware that there's no excuse for some of the behavior shown amongst black ppl.@@ShroneJohnson
Yeah he continually shuts her down. He's polite about it and you can see him trying to approach with empathy. And every time he says "but" he reveals to a certain degree that he's not aligned with her and what she's saying. He is explaining men from his point of view and she isn't asking for that, she's asking for someone to help tell men to be better versions of themselves in spite of. There's no objective or detached way for any of them to have this conversation and I find that humanizing because it's about humanity.
But there are some good police men after James describes the level of police brutality is not conducive to acknowledgement of the severity of the inhalation of basic human rights. I love James Baldwin his voice echoes throughout all of history and will stand the test of time in terms of evolution. His was an enlightened path paved with pain and suffering.
"What is important is the impulse out of which it has come, the ferment out of which it has come- which it reveals too- and what's valuable will remain and the rest will go" Mmm.
@3947 thats ALWAYS been my problem wit people.. somebody do somethin to them.. they do somethin to me and expect me to keep the train goin.. THATS A WRECK! 😂😂😂 iiAM KARMA! instant!
I love Baldwin and think that he is wise and methodical in his thinking. However, to suggest that Black women should fall on the sword to understand the Black man’s pain and essentially justify his abuse is literally absurd and harmful to Black girls and families.
I don't think you'll get what's being stated because a woman will never know how a man feels and a man will never know how a woman feels imagine how hard it is being a woman and also being in a racist world
He was saying the 8 kids were his younger brothers and sisters. He stepped in as their father after his father passed. That's when Nikki was trying to tell him they weren't his responsibility to put his life on hold and marry that woman at 22. He went on to say if I didn't step in as their father, who would be that guidance for my siblings.
I enjoy this interview. But what was done to us then and the game. All we did was learn his game. To now play it on each other. We are our worst enemy. We need to stop blaming the other race because what has been done to us we are today doing to each other. We can’t fix a race that has been broken from day one but when we learn and catch up we in turn hurt each other. 😢
Such creation in the development of thought in the existencial power and value of universal control of word, deed, being, and illumination of a human type that would use an artificial fear mechanism for their misuse of the natural human who's faculty in honest and peacefully expected existence is treated as a heinous crime. Baldwin and Giovanni have such a convex and linear introspection on the use of judicious and universal truths, paradigms and information that supports level, temperate, and gradient conversations on race and it's relative connection to culture. This era displayed much need for black intellectuals who express even the most small detail in unapology and intensity of detail. I remember these deep speakers in this interview as a kid. I can only imagine the impact of racism and what it did to challenge and frustrate 2 brilliant humans such as these were. By virtue of their respective talents and skills they could've both forgone the responsibility of addressing the relevant issues of discrimination and class subversion. The second tragedy is that 2 brilliant minds would be subject to this barbaric, uncultured and unnecessary mistreatment societally....displaying otherwise a carefulness in making these subjects of race, discrimination and societal inequity a thorough canvas on which to express the elements in which the telling of and evaluating moreso of exchange of debate and expounding of fundamental objects that outline the frequencies of existential mechanics that arbitrate components of the radical idea of societal superiority. Clearly this conversation deals with race and sex relations...so infusively they arrive at the debate of the traditionality of the married black man and woman dynamic. Giovanni expresses and introduces the concept of it's ok if the man can't materially, in the conventional sense, provide for his children. Nikki says, " love must be rational. The rational here has a radical rationale. For Nikki the black man has to be adaptable to his excercise in support and providential abilities for the sustaining of his family. James sticks with the traditional standard of honest provision by means of work and industry.
I heard him looking for understanding of the black man end of convo. I heard her looking for understanding of the black woman and solutions to get us on the same accord. I heard her understand thr black mans plite. His irrational thoughts of himself. Giving the answer that all you needed to be was here vs giving up when you cant do what yoir irrational mind told you.
@1525 u can have Jesus.. give me the world.. AND THATS WHERE BLACK WOMEN FAILED THEMSELVES.. ur to be IN THE WORLD.. but not OF IT.. dwightman is fighting for PIECE.. A piece.. of YOUR PEACE.. cuHz the WORLD IS CHAOS and THE FATHER.. OUR Father provided provisions FOR US within THAT CHAOS.. ORDER WITHin not ACCEPTANCE of the outside with their PRETEND PEACE?! 😵💫
@4602 ahhhh.. then there it is.. couldnt get a job so his morality was destroyed.. a NATURAL talent doesnt showcase for money.. thats an ACT.. hence the difference between the two.. sorta like havin a job.. and BEING JOB. one WANTS TO WORK AND BE SEEN AS GOD.. or Master or whatever.. the other LET GOD WORKS work for him EVEN WHEN THE DEVIL IS GOIN AGAINST HIS WILL.. u failed the TEST sir.. u HAVE NO TESTIMONY. 🙅🏾♂️
I would like to know what this woman will deliver in 10/20/30 years with her way of thinking.. 😊😊😊😊😊i think she is frustrated.. Go to black houses with black children and help them..
@@Zaradikaresells There’s is no benefit to becoming a step father. Please name how that benefits the man to raise another man’s offspring. (excluding adoption of course) Now on top of that no matter his intelligence a lot of his words doesn’t align with Gods.
Being Hetero is nature, not saying that being homosexual is wrong but on the whole at that time it was mostly cishet relationships and nuclear families that were the building blocks of people of the prevalent culture. It's more just about the context of the conversation at hand. The overall message goes beyond the netting of cishet relationships. It's about the nature of the black nuclear family at the time raising children in a world that doesn't welcome them and them living with cards they have been dealt. For you to plaster this as anything negative against gay people when there is an openly gay man speaking. He is simply trying to further relate and extrapolate on the issue of the condition of the black man
My goal is to bring back this vernacular and mental excellence. Even if Its just for myself.
We support this.
what's the best way to do this? reading books?
its a lesson in intelligence and I love listeining to them and their launguage I dig it so much
Big deal
For as many times as i've seen this interview,i keep finding something different every time i watch it again..The brilliance of this interaction is precious still to this day. Nikki's intelligence,strength of caracter coupled with her breathtaking iconic beauty is and will forever be timeless and so will jimi's brilliance and wisdom..
We co-sign this message.
The conversation is stellar. I also appreciated the tasteful movement of the camera: closeups, silhouettes, hands; so fine.
What kills me about this interview is Baldwin argued for a black man’s right to be angry, and excuses for his behavior in the home. What he didn’t understand is that projecting anger onto your family because you suffer daily destroys families. And that’s why we’re so divided today. This was an extraordinary interview, and Giovanni is such a powerful underrated voice
See jimmy being. A genius and calculated i think he was more so asking questions for her to answer and expand on not as a way to make excuses as he was gay but always used matters of the day to express a point
I also think as he kept saying it, he agreed with her honestly what I’m getting from it is that he was trying to empathize, not make excuses kind of like being a realist you know also, I’m not arguing with you. I also do understand your point as well, but what I seem to understand from him Him being realistic about why men do what they do because she kept asking why black men do that he even asserted that it was not right, but it is simply the state of the man that doesn’t mean that the man cannot change and it sucks because what she is saying is so true they come home and treat the ones they love so bad is as if the moment they gain some rancor in the world they put black women out there footstool I’m so sorry coming from a trans black woman. I have so much love and respect for black women.
Right, which is why I loved this interview. He didn't act irate, he explained, but even still, you'd have to realize the black man is the problem in the community, not the black woman, like black men say. They have an inner struggle with themselves, how the world treats them, etc. They struggle to be true leaders/men of their community, and project it onto bw. They blame a "hoodrat", as if the "thugs" didn't create her.
Boom!!! I couldn’t find the words, but this is it!!!
As a 31 year old black man. I needed this from both sides are so real
James and Nikki are awesome intellectuals. I Love this conversation!
Very insightful and interesting interview.
For the past few years i find myself watching a lot of interviews, of all types from 60s-80s.
What strikes me is the articulation, clarity and honesty of speech and ideas that were presented to us as a society.
These types of talks are what help move us forward.
It is so unfortunate what we are presented today it is striking how shallow and hallow the ideas are with obvious preconceptions, no honesty and an obvious intent to blind us.
Thank you for posting.
When the world does it to you long enough and effective enough you become a collaborator, your attitude towards yourself is your key to freedom❤❤❤❤❤
Crazy how the topics they're discussing speaks to me and alot of others, even now in 2024. What's more crazy is that I'm not even American
This is black wisdom At it’s finest. We are too powerful when we are focused
This is WISDOM at its finest.
The whole video itself taught me a lot about myself.
I’m so glad and blessed that I am able to watch this cause it definitely helped me a lot, especially during this moment in my life.
I’m 21 and I feel like I know it all but at the same time I don’t and this video gave me a sense of guidance and helped me a lot.
I wish I had your insight to know I didn’t know it all at 21. You’re gonna go far if you keep seeking. Good luck, and YOU GOT THIS!
Im proud of you.
just started watching this video, im about halfway through “the fire next time” and i just love the way he speaks, im 21 too and it feels good to see someone the same age here and engaging with the greats
POWERFUL AND ENLIGHTENED CONVERSATION AMONGST TWO GIANTS OF THE BLACK COMMUNITY!!!
Powerful !! This entire video was so eye-opening to this day I show it to my kids. 🔥🔥
James is explaining the overarching human problem. Giovanni is explaining the black problem.
Homosexuals tend to gloss over the real issues.
I feel like James is more s speaking from the male experience and Nikki from the Black experience. I love this interview
Yes, i see it too, James is speaking from a more encompassing view while Nikki is speaking from her experience.
This was so .... I can't find all the words to express my feelings about this .
Thank you
Thank you for watching. Glad it meant something to you. 💜
This interview was and still is powerful
This conversation is incredible!
I found this on Peacock and watched 2 episodes (Soul!). Anyone else notice how the camera kept panning up and down her body? Regardless, this discussion is SO good!!
Not really .. and i think shed like that.. freaky that one
That's great cinematography, love the capture of the hands..
@@OlandoMcCall no, it's perverted.
yeh it was disgusting and still prevalent in the media until very recently. good job those vile men have been called out.
Women have beauty. Men appreciate it.
"the greater tragedy is that it's destroyed by things that have nothing to do with you and nothing to do with me"
It is irritating when people post bits of these conversations on TikTok or Instagram. I'm happy and thankful that I can often find the whole thing on TH-cam. So, thank you very much.
I first saw it on IG and came here to listen more
@@khozayumba860 same! What a rewarding experience.
I love watching this interaction and recognizing the Black Feminism pouring from Nikki Giovanni. I feel like I am watching a movement in one of its brightest forms. In many ways it felt as if James Baldwin was defending the damage Black men bestow upon Black women because of the damage bestowed upon him by the greater society. Who is the Black woman to trust if not her own kin? Powerful display of thought. Just wow.
I dont think James Baldwin was defending, but explaining the psychology of it. I wish they would've agreed this is a real thing, but how do we fix it. Black men have & had limited ways to release their frustrations, but we must learn how to do it in a matter that does not lead to self-harm or harming those in their care. There are more safe, productive outlets now like athletics, therapy, etc than was available in the past...but this is still something we need to improve.
@@anxious08It sounds as if he was defending. But i understand there was 20year age difference. Nikki was sooo ahead of her time. James was smart, but he was no Nikki. She aint take no crap. I love it.
@@Marialeovenus I love this comment. I don’t think he was speaking down to her. I agree that the age difference is what made him refer to her as baby. It was more endearing and I do believe he was very impressed with her intellect and rebellion.
Very Positive and powerful this is still going on to this day.
I want everybody to understand what this man is saying. I’m so glad you still have Nikki, Giovanni James Baldwin never went to college with spoken a whole Lotta colleges. Did you know that that was called intelligence because education as a human construct and for people that’s of African descent we know they don’t tell us the truth.
Thank you
Wow. Took my breath away. Just speechless. Onto part 2.
The convo is so EPIC!
Our beautiful black and brown people need to see more of our history. ✊🏼✊🏽✊🏾
Its about the children, we have to give the children something, which was in a way given to us, we just have to translate it❤❤❤❤❤the world in which you grew up will be remote for him, but he's gotta be liberated by it, have respect for it, but not be threatened by it. This is not just black heritage, this is human heritage ❤❤
Wow... This is so UNDERRATED.
They're both brilliant.
when you dont'have the cultural information growing up , you need to find true sources of your history within the people who was out there in it and making contributions to the culture. I only know what was written in the books at my interracial schools and it wasn't enough for me to understand and know my history. so I am THANKFUL FOR ALL WHO CAME BEFORE ME AND TOLD IT AS THEY LIVED IT. It's necessary to know where and who we are as a people and the struggles we faced. to do better you must know better. this is better than rightt now, twitter, fb, instagram, and all the other media channels.
One of the great recorded conversations.
I appreciate this conversation, This is incredibly insightful information.
The older woman were so beautiful in their youth. Authentic and gentle. 👌🏻
Thank you for putting this up!!❤❤❤
16:44 - 19:37
Their discourse during these three minutes is extremely relevant as we go into 2024.
22:57 The year is 2023 Nikki Giovanni can buy that billboard today it is needed!
My soul has been fed
Baldwin masters everything-language just the beginning. When I read Giovanni’s Room I remember wondering what section of my bookshelf to put it in: history, philosophy, gender studies, or black studies. Fuck the divisions.
Very Insightful conversation.
Brilliance ❤
Thank you for posting this IMPORTANT Conversation!!!! 💪🏾👸🏽👑🎉❤️🖤💚🔴⚫️🟢
I love this interview 🖤
Love this conversation, Baldwin, and Giovanni. That said- the subtle misogynoir I’ve seen in the comments section is disappointing. 🥴
Mind blowing!!!!!
Love this exchange ❤
Wisdom and understang comes with age.
He thinks he knows what you are, ypu dont know who he is because your life is in his hands, so you have to watch him❤❤❤
Truth and facts! 😎👌
yes. very amazing to watch. wow.
Love Is love
“He’s got to have respect for it but not be trapped by it.” 🤯🤯 such a beautiful mind. Wow.
This is my second time watching this dialogue and I never heard Nikki say she would sell her soul for the world. She would rather the world and everyone else can keep Jesus. That’s Dangerous for a someone that’s learning to digest that.
love this
@512
glad she caught that..
listen to his FRAME OF REFERENCE..
“condemned”
cant talk liberation WITH A DEFEATED MAN! 🤷🏾♂️
Suuuch emotional damage and trauma! Breaking these generational curses requires a intentional approach over time. I'm really glad to see people (men and women) seeking therapy even though it can be challenging to find racial affirming and culturally sensitive professionals in the field.
@@Sunnilocs When I was listening to Nikki it Sound like she had been to therapy.
@gabrielmaroto18 I felt that as well. Makes perfect sense to me that he, 19 years her senior, would have his perspective hard-wired by his experiences and... the patriarchy. Definitely can't even imagine him seeking therapy in the 1940s to process the trauma of blackness.
"A defeated man." You have no respect for a man who dedicated his life to conceptualizing black life in America. He dedicated himself to helping black people and describing the ills of slavery and prejudice on black people in the 21st century. And you sit here and judge because your brain can't comprehend what his objective is.
Nikki Giovanni, “I would sell my soul. Take my soul and give me the world 🌎 “ that’s deep. Let’s start the convo here
The holy ghost part was very interesting
I wonder how Nikki and James' conversation would have changed once Nikki got older and had more life experience. Yes, this was an interesting dialog between the two of them. However, Nikki s perspective is extremely narrow-minded by her refusal to other viewpoints based on her own beliefs at that time which is disheartening and expected. Her stance validates the point James was attempting to make on experiences and traumas effecting our thought processes and behaviors.
That man is underrated😢😢😢
You use the word morals, i would use the word energy, cause the key is love❤❤❤❤
This “lady’ is the great Nick Giovanni🫶🏾
the game is running
I think that, throughout this discussion (which was REALLY a debate), Baldwin was patiently trying to impress upon Giovani exactly how and WHY the Black man has become what he is.
As most 27 year olds do (I have kids), she defended the points accurately, but from only HER perspective. And it is supremely FOOLISH to only consider YOUR experience instead of opening your mind and heart to gain understanding of another's. Intellectual, though she was, she was YOUNG. This was something akin to watching a father talk to a daughter about how to help her husband thrive and succeed.
I love BOTH writers, and I believe that these talks should be archived in the annals of Black literature for years to come. The information is STILL pertinent today. I understand, now, that when my husband comes home angry and confused because of his lack of progress in light of his hard work and effort, that it is MY job to assuage those feelings of inadequacy and guilt. He did nothing to deserve his fate, and neither did I.... But SOMEBODY has got to be supportive and have some SENSE.
If I was born to help, then HELP I must be.
So if we get to analyse their points of view from a rational and an emotional dimension, what they both seem to produce is a meta cognitive vision upon the existential realities both the woman and the men is experiencing.
We know what’s altering these situations, we understand the conditions that influence his behaviour and we have a strong sense of the emotional reality that he’s forged into thinking and manifesting throughout this lifetime of hardwork.
By comprehending these points of view, one has to choose wich existential narrative wishes to portray and manifest throughout the course of their relationship.
I would personally choose to understand and comfort the men that is struggling, but at the same time I won’t let my reason to be overcomed by my emotions.
On this matter, I strongly believe there is more a question of sincerity and authenticity. The least I could do is to be sincere about what is really undergoing through our consciousness. And then act authentically by expressing an alleviating emotional response towards the tragedy of one’s life condition.
I don’t necessarily think that we have to be rational all the time in our relationships with the others, especially the members of our family. We can’t be such moral monsters. But I do stand for the principle of sincerity towards one’s self as an individual.
This comment is profound.
@@msmampful Thank you, ma'am. 😌
This is a podcast.
here in 2024. Anyone catch all the books and writers mentioned here and can list them pls?
I’m not gonna lie, James kept cutting her off and it started to make me mad😩😂
I believe this was partially because of the age difference. He’s seen more therefore he knows more. Either way I hope it didn’t upset you to the point that you missed the message entirely. Love.
I felt Nikki wasn't listening
@@ShroneJohnson I think she was listening or maybe she wasn’t! If so, I think it’s because of age and the fact that Baldwin was touching deeply on some subjects close to her heart. Like when they were speaking about why her father treated her mother the way he did. As Baldwin was explaining, “I’m not defending it, I’m just explaining how a man gets to that point”. She seemed to take some things personal, but you can tell Baldwin understood this by the way he responded and allowed her to spout how she felt.
How was she not listening? I believed she listened, but also made him aware that there's no excuse for some of the behavior shown amongst black ppl.@@ShroneJohnson
Yeah he continually shuts her down. He's polite about it and you can see him trying to approach with empathy. And every time he says "but" he reveals to a certain degree that he's not aligned with her and what she's saying. He is explaining men from his point of view and she isn't asking for that, she's asking for someone to help tell men to be better versions of themselves in spite of. There's no objective or detached way for any of them to have this conversation and I find that humanizing because it's about humanity.
What year was this it was awesome
1971
Lovely and mesmerizing
We are not obliged to accept he world’s definitions 👏🏽 to conform less, remove the social constructs and heal humanity and communities from within!
But there are some good police men after James describes the level of police brutality is not conducive to acknowledgement of the severity of the inhalation of basic human rights. I love James Baldwin his voice echoes throughout all of history and will stand the test of time in terms of evolution. His was an enlightened path paved with pain and suffering.
"What is important is the impulse out of which it has come, the ferment out of which it has come- which it reveals too- and what's valuable will remain and the rest will go"
Mmm.
@3947
thats ALWAYS been my problem wit people..
somebody do somethin to them..
they do somethin to me and expect me to keep the train goin..
THATS A WRECK! 😂😂😂
iiAM KARMA! instant!
@2350
Cop standin on Black Womans neck in Birmingham..
sounds familiar?! smfh
@4200
if its wrong..
ITS WRONG!!!
NOW who’s “ROMANTICIZING”!? 😵💫
I love Baldwin and think that he is wise and methodical in his thinking. However, to suggest that Black women should fall on the sword to understand the Black man’s pain and essentially justify his abuse is literally absurd and harmful to Black girls and families.
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Sunday School
We must become rational put that on a T-shirt
Love has to be rational.
41:27 women will never understand what emasculation feels like, regardless of race… this is what Baldwin is trying so hard to explain to Nikki here.
I don't think you'll get what's being stated because a woman will never know how a man feels and a man will never know how a woman feels imagine how hard it is being a woman and also being in a racist world
@5433
LOVE IS VERY RATIONALE..
LUST isnt..
a man wit no job and 9 kids!!?
LUST!
He was saying the 8 kids were his younger brothers and sisters. He stepped in as their father after his father passed. That's when Nikki was trying to tell him they weren't his responsibility to put his life on hold and marry that woman at 22. He went on to say if I didn't step in as their father, who would be that guidance for my siblings.
28:30 - 30:48 I love the atheist rant in the middle. Lmao
22:00
I enjoy this interview. But what was done to us then and the game. All we did was learn his game. To now play it on each other. We are our worst enemy. We need to stop blaming the other race because what has been done to us we are today doing to each other. We can’t fix a race that has been broken from day one but when we learn and catch up we in turn hurt each other. 😢
@2516 look at his HATE AND VITRIOL for Hoover “and his TRIBE!!?” 😳
He did not let her speak at all
Such creation in the development of thought in the existencial power and value of universal control of word, deed, being, and illumination of a human type that would use an artificial fear mechanism for their misuse of the natural human who's faculty in honest and peacefully expected existence is treated as a heinous crime. Baldwin and Giovanni have such a convex and linear introspection on the use of judicious and universal truths, paradigms and information that supports level, temperate, and gradient conversations on race and it's relative connection to culture. This era displayed much need for black intellectuals who express even the most small detail in unapology and intensity of detail. I remember these deep speakers in this interview as a kid. I can only imagine the impact of racism and what it did to challenge and frustrate 2 brilliant humans such as these were. By virtue of their respective talents and skills they could've both forgone the responsibility of addressing the relevant issues of discrimination and class subversion. The second tragedy is that 2 brilliant minds would be subject to this barbaric, uncultured and unnecessary mistreatment societally....displaying otherwise a carefulness in making these subjects of race, discrimination and societal inequity a thorough canvas on which to express the elements in which the telling of and evaluating moreso of exchange of debate and expounding of fundamental objects that outline the frequencies of existential mechanics that arbitrate components of the radical idea of societal superiority. Clearly this conversation deals with race and sex relations...so infusively they arrive at the debate of the traditionality of the married black man and woman dynamic. Giovanni expresses and introduces the concept of it's ok if the man can't materially, in the conventional sense, provide for his children. Nikki says, " love must be rational. The rational here has a radical rationale. For Nikki the black man has to be adaptable to his excercise in support and providential abilities for the sustaining of his family. James sticks with the traditional standard of honest provision by means of work and industry.
Never write like this again. Too verbose
@@soonaag3986 I was high on speed and medical weed 😜
The great breakout
Women must realize that men are not women ✌🏿. We function different
I heard him looking for understanding of the black man end of convo. I heard her looking for understanding of the black woman and solutions to get us on the same accord. I heard her understand thr black mans plite. His irrational thoughts of himself. Giving the answer that all you needed to be was here vs giving up when you cant do what yoir irrational mind told you.
It seems as if James is trying to get her to see the humanity of it all. While Nikki understands but wants change nonetheless.
I was waiting for him to start smoking
@1525
u can have Jesus..
give me the world..
AND THATS WHERE BLACK WOMEN FAILED THEMSELVES..
ur to be IN THE WORLD.. but not OF IT..
dwightman is fighting for PIECE.. A piece..
of YOUR PEACE..
cuHz the WORLD IS CHAOS and THE FATHER.. OUR Father provided provisions FOR US within THAT CHAOS..
ORDER WITHin
not ACCEPTANCE of the outside with their PRETEND PEACE?! 😵💫
@4602
ahhhh..
then there it is..
couldnt get a job so his morality was destroyed..
a NATURAL talent doesnt showcase for money.. thats an ACT..
hence the difference between the two..
sorta like havin a job..
and BEING JOB.
one WANTS TO WORK AND BE SEEN AS GOD.. or Master or whatever..
the other LET GOD WORKS work for him EVEN WHEN THE DEVIL IS GOIN AGAINST HIS WILL..
u failed the TEST sir..
u HAVE NO TESTIMONY. 🙅🏾♂️
@832
or
ORE!!
u can DO IT BACK TO THE WORLD. 🤷🏾♂️
13:28
I would like to know what this woman will deliver in 10/20/30 years with her way of thinking..
😊😊😊😊😊i think she is frustrated..
Go to black houses with black children and help them..
This was recorded in 1971.She is 80 yo.Go to google and read her accomplishments.A great poet.A legend!
Walker Jason Lewis Linda Hernandez Mary
This homosexual man was more of a man than most men know today…of any color. All due respect to Mr. Baldwin
Omg how did you know he was gay? His mannerisms and aura made me wonder that, but I hadn’t read or heard that anywhere
@@msblaquecherry its pretty well known. I've been a fan of his for decades
lol that was an emotional point. it’s False that he is more of a man.
@@octomoney257 how so when he took responsibility and cared for children that he didn't bring into the world. A gay man is still a man
@@Zaradikaresells There’s is no benefit to becoming a step father. Please name how that benefits the man to raise another man’s offspring. (excluding adoption of course) Now on top of that no matter his intelligence a lot of his words doesn’t align with Gods.
the cisheteronormativity in the last third goes crazy
Being Hetero is nature, not saying that being homosexual is wrong but on the whole at that time it was mostly cishet relationships and nuclear families that were the building blocks of people of the prevalent culture. It's more just about the context of the conversation at hand. The overall message goes beyond the netting of cishet relationships. It's about the nature of the black nuclear family at the time raising children in a world that doesn't welcome them and them living with cards they have been dealt. For you to plaster this as anything negative against gay people when there is an openly gay man speaking. He is simply trying to further relate and extrapolate on the issue of the condition of the black man
@sxcknasty69 being homosexual is also nature, being as though it exist in nature. I agree with everything else you said though.
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