[4.1] The Truth About Furina Is Found In Childe - A Genshin Impact Theory
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- Furina is weird and so are all of the circumstances surrounding her, and dissolving all this weirdness is difficult because there's really not a lot to work with...
So let's approach this topic from a DIFFERENT angle, a more CHILDE-ish angle. Believe it or not, this little orange harbinger has a lot to tell us about Furina although not much of it was said out loud.
*CREDITS*
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Some Reddit theories that prompted this one:
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*SPOILER WARNINGS*
- Archon Quest Chapter 4, acts 1-4
- Ann of the Narzissenkreuz
- Ancient Colors
- Neuvillette Story Quest (1)
- Aqueous Tidemarks
- Unfinished Comedy
- Khvarena of Good and Evil
*TIMESTAMPS*
0:00 Introduction
01:26 Furina
07:01 Idyia
12:35 Childe
20:53 Primordial Water
26:07 Furina's Secret Role
29:00 Closing Thoughts
*MORE INFORMATION*
This section is a combination of citations and terms/topics that came up during the video alongside their wikipedia articles (or similar related sources) which should help get you started when doing your own research.
Ancient Natural History Excerpts: genshin-impact.fandom.com/wik...
Yokai: yokai.com/bakezouri/
Idyia: genshin-impact.fandom.com/wik...
Livyatan (Hebrew): en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leviathan
Shadows Amidst Snowstorms:
Hydro Eidolon: genshin-impact.fandom.com/wik...
Eidolon: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eidolon
Bottleland: genshin-impact.fandom.com/wik...
Egeria (archon): genshin-impact.fandom.com/wik...
Egeria (mythology): en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egeria_...)
Furina: genshin-impact.fandom.com/wik...
Neuvillette: genshin-impact.fandom.com/wik...
Childe: genshin-impact.fandom.com/wik...
Wishful Drops: genshin-impact.fandom.com/wik...
Oratrice: genshin-impact.fandom.com/wik...
Rene de Petrichor: genshin-impact.fandom.com/wik...
Rene’s Investigation Notes: genshin-impact.fandom.com/wik... - เกม
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**NOTES**
- Re: not showing blue under elemental sight thing --> there are three probable reasons for this. 1) It would be a MASSIVE spoiler if you accidentally used elemental sight and everyone was blue and that would destroy the twist. 2) Playable characters would always be infused with hydro which would be... problematic for many reasons. 3) It's possible that since this event should have happened hundreds of years ago that these eidolons have started to accumulate non-water materials... and maybe they've just inter-married with other humans from other regions in the most confusing biological bloodline I could imagine. Either way I don't think it should be taken as gospel that beings like eidolons always need to be elementally infused. It's like how trees are not green, but white.
I'm so happy that you made this theory!
4:37 not of all Teyvat just Fontain I don't know if it is stated otherwise elsewhere but it being an elevated nation inclines me to believe it is just all the waters of Fontain it's not that significant but if there is a different source I'd like to know
Actually point 3 is supported by the NPC we talk to early on in the Fontaine AQ, the guy sceptical of Lyney's efforts to prepare people for the prophecy. He believes in the alternative take that humans originated from the sea but developed blood vessels to hold the sea in order to live on land. This could very well be a foreshadowing of what happened with Fontainians, a myth based on Hydro Eidolons becoming humans over time.
You know what, this actually make furina's constelation, mage N comment about lying and Furina crying about lonely make sense.
So to answer your question about whether or not a hybrid between a hydro eidolon and a human would be immune to primordial waters, the answer would be yes because of how cells work. The new humans born between oceanids and humans would be more human.
Focalor hid this from Neuvillette for 500 years and it took a week for Ashikai to figure it out...
Furina is lucky Ashikai isnt character in Fontaine or her secrets wouldve been exposed haha
@@chronohax7186 ohhh but i so wish she was. just a cool scene where furina think's she's safe and then she suddenly gets interrogated, somebody asking about the truth while slowly revealing they actually know it would that not be the most badass scene in the entire game
FRRR
Taking this comment way to seriously but
Ashikai (us the players) are basically like the traveller , a witness for Teyvat but also an all knowing god
We see every perspective, hear the inner thoughts of characters and can read and find any information at all times
While Neuvillette only has raw power, not knowledge per se + he is quite “young” and I don’t think he ever met a real archon besides “Furina” so that curse for him is an archon’s power radiating
From Neuvillete and the Heavenly principles
i’m so impressed by how accurate this ended up being. you even say that furina’s divinity is within the oratrice, that she’s an actress in a never-ending play…. those are almost direct quotes from the archon quest!!!
Like when I was doing the archon quest I thought to myself “ashikai said this shit 🤨”
yep when I was playing the quest I was like "omg the fontainian people being fucking water" theory was correct??? wtf!! I can't believe it was this accurate lmfao
LMAO WHEN THE STONE SLATE CAME OUT AND SAID OCEANIDS TURNING INTO HUMANS I OUT LOUD UELLED HOLY SHIT LIKE ASHIKAI SAID!!!!!!!!
I was even more astonished because someone days before the release told me that this theory was being crashed on twitter because it had no sense. And when the day came and this was so accurate I was speachless
People can have same thought process. Like how researchers can have same findings and share similar opinions.
I'm so terrified of how accurate Ashikai's theory comes THIS close to the truth that every time she releases new theory, I inclined and was so excited how Genshin's lore and Ashikai's theory will become true
I literally came back here just to chat about this. This theory was in my head almost the entire time the quest unfolded and I was in udder shock how accurate it came to be. Bravo, truly the best there is 🤯
I felt the exact same way-- came straight back here to see if anyone else thought so. If I hadn't seen this video beforehand, I wouldn't've had a clue. Instead, I was in awe watching it all unfold!
Same I came back here just for this, playing the quest only confirmed what I already had in my head because of this vid so it wasn’t rlly surprising but more validating😂
watching all of their other theories bout to me making me real nervous
Furina: can we get human fontainians?
Egeria: we have humans at home
the humans at home: water soluble
and somehow carbon based despite 70% water, how not water based then carbon 2ndary?
Ashikai has clearly been spending a lot of time in the kitchen recently. Can't wait to see what she cooked
She cooked dinner!
Let her cook
AND she DID cook like this theory is insane
@@Sacration for real
It ain't looking good
I like how ashikai portays the part at 22:20 about egeria creating humans being the sin as crazy rambling, but in the end it’s exactly how it turned out. Huge props for the accuracy of a lot of the theories
I liked and subscribed. Blows my mind
I cant believe Twitter was mad at you only for you to be right at the end
They hated Jesus for being right
Every time I hear something about twitter I understand less and less why people actually use it
@@hmmmooopslol
@@hmmmooops For the same reason people play Genshin
Addiction
What was twitter mad about specifically?
Wow, this was almost completely right. The only major error was this was focalor’s plan, not Egaria, and she was the one who split herself.
This is why we Watch theory Channels. Because its as close to a sneak peak to the plot of the game we'll get
@@silverhawkscape2677ya, everything may not be completely accurate but it gets pretty close with just different wordings. Egeria was not the one with complete control, focalors was but it was still egerias plan to have focalors take over. Focalors is one of her oceanid familiars
I'm genuinely glad that's the only part where Ashikai got it wrong. I certainly hope from Fontaine now on, there will be no current archon secretly related to the past archon plot
YOU CANT JUST DROP SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND EXPECT ME TO WAIT 1 DAY WHAT
LOL ITS HERE!
Something I've found just a little odd since it was introduced was the practice of couples *specifically* asking the Hydro Archon for children but looking at that through the lens of the theory fontainians are all eidolons...
Yeah I mean how do couples mixed with somebody from another nation work in Fontaine?
Aren't they asking for healthy children, not children in and of itself?
They’re asking for blessings, not the chance to have children. I doubt the oceanids themselves need permission, it said they needed SOMETHING from egeria in order to create new oceanids but that something is not explained.
@@5h0ckblockiirc oceanids needed to ask Egeria for children
@@user-sd9gc1gb2k They can actually ask Elder Oceanids too. Problem is the only implied one is Rhodeia atm
Came back to say that Ashikai truly is a visionary. She slayed and served with this one!
The accuracy of this is absolutely incredible. Its astonishing there was enough to go on for you to literally spell out the entire archon story of fontaine a whole month before the final act was dropped.
The biggest clue is in her twin tailed hair glowing, when the knave tries to assassinate furina you'll notice that the glow isn't there.
The inconsistency of her glowing hair is everywhere in the archon quest.
Interresting
There were similar theories back in 2.0 about Raiden's eye color changing but it didn't end up being relevant at all. It's probably gonna be the same here.
@@jojomicheldu59 wdym by that? Doesn't the shogun's eye color change depending on who is taking over? You may correct me if I am wrong since it has been a long time since I last checked
She hasnt earned her power yet
@@airmelted They only did so before it was revealed that Ei was inside a puppet. It was a clue for us that she wasnt as she seemed. But it has been dropped now. Its not showing in any of the cutscenes, specially the ones using game models instead of prerendered scenes, nor on the in game model we use.
I think it’s possible that Fontainians aren’t traditional Hydro Eidolons, but are special beings created by Egeria specifically from the Primordial Sea. They are humans and flesh and blood, but are “different” from the “original” humans.
Basically Fonatinians are extra special eidolons that aren’t made of hydro and are creations of Egeria after the fall of Remuria
Edit (post archon quest finale): Huh what do you know
That could explain why they have Ousia and Pneuma
That could also explain how Fontainians and non-Fontainians can have children.. if Fontainians have a human body but a Hydro "essence"...
God why is this crackpot theory starting to make more and more sense ?
wait.... fontaine has:
- scattered heptagrams across the area
- circular city design
- this theory of the primordial sea (one) is the origin of fontainians (all) and they could dissolve back into "one"
are we... in fullmetal alchemist?
the description of the weapon material ‘sublimation of pure sacred dewdrop’ seems to back this up too
I like this theory
you should consider renaming yourself to Ashikai Magistus
More like Ashikai Trismegistus
Something I'd like to add is Furina's constellation, Animula Choragi. The literal translation is "conductor of little souls", and the original Chinese text means "organizer of odes". There isn't a lot to infer from this, but I did some digging and the word _choragi_ is Latin equivalent of the Greek word _choregos_ , which was a historical role in ancient Greece that was given to a wealthy financer to organize a public theatrical play, *appointed by the archon* .
Before we proceed, a reminder: Genshin derives from myths, philosophies and histories of all around the world, and it's very likely that a *lot* of terms in Genshin were translated _to_ Chinese from whatever local language the term originated from, such as Archon (the Chinese version's Zhizeng literally being the Chinese word for the Greek archons). And the localizations refer to both the Chinese text and the "intended original" words when translating.
So why do I think _choregos_ is the intended word? Because I looked through the constellation names in all four main languages and noticed that the Korean version's translation says "코레고스", which is _choregos_ written in Korean. As in not translated but transcripted. This is significant because this is one of the very few instances of the Korean name of a character's constellation not being a translation, and the only previous examples I remember are mythical animals like Manticore and Leviathan that don't have Korean names. And 코레고스 is NOT a word in everyday Korean. I would say it's a very plausible theory that the word _choregos_ was the originally chosen word and _Animula Choragi_ and 司颂 are translations to Latin and Chinese for the English and Chinese versions respectively.
So. We have "financer of a public play appointed by the Archon" and "organizer of odes" and "conductor of little souls". Whatever Furina is doing, it's Egeria's master plan of some kind. Like can we also get attention to the added _animula_ part in the English version? As always, the localization team knows things beforehand so that also has to be a deliberate choice. So what little souls is Furina a conductor of? Why "little souls"? Maybe because she's organizing a play of Hydro Eidolons? Or shall we call it a Masquerade of the Guilty Hydro Eidolons?
Also, whether or not all Fontainians are really Hydro Eidolons I definitely agree that Focalors has been split to Furina and the Oratrice because Nahida's description of Focalors applies to both Furina (enjoys the atmosphere) and the Oratrice (reserves the right to influence the final verdict) separately. Considering Nahida is the avatar of Irminsul and has never been outside the Sanctuary of Surasthana till the end of the Sumeru Archon Quest, she must have Irminsuled the information on Focalors and just reiterated the search results, which must have been about Furina and the Oratrice combined.
That's very nice new term we got, Irminsuled 😂.
i aint readin allat but very nice, congrats
This "conducting" would also fit with one of the quests in the Bottleland. We had an Eidolon play that was put on by the Eidolons themselves, but "controlled" by a dude who wrote "code" for them. So, both Furina and the citizens would be playing roles in Egeria's grand plan.
When you mentioned the words derived from greek words, I already suspected that the ancient language from Enkanomiya, which is obviously greek, plays a role of the truth of Teyvat itself. And I’ve been already suspecting that Childe was playing a bigger role since his real name, Ajax, is a greek name itself like Teucer’s. Now what if his destiny was like the greek story itself but changed cuz of the Traveler?
@@megamceereal
Listen... Ei and Makoto being sandals is so deeply fitting because LA CHANCLA is ALL POWERFUL and a true symbol of divine punishment.
Now I’m imagining Ei disciplining Scara with a sandal 😂
So true bestie. And when it's thrown at you, that's the height of divine punishment
This made me giggle lmao
The Churlmen of the board have some reach.
@@chelseabui2435 She can't just like my mom can't do it to me. Since I am like Scara, Ei is like my mother. So Ei can't discipline Scara. Also Ei is kinda weak compared to someone who beat a Gnosis powered God that Nahida and Traveler worked so hard to beat.
How accurate are your theories gonna be compared to the actual archon quest?
Ashikai : Yes
tfw u watched this a few days before 4.2, then played through 4.2's AQ, and then get mindblown because of how right this was
Lmao and now twitter stans who mocked her theories as too much are radio silent, they deserve that i guess, but some of them are actually hating on navia and ofc traveler in this patch lmao💀
Wait. Why navia?
Wait. Why navia?
@@cix_ldc2358 Gonna be a huge sp*iler tho, but the sources came from navia and furina's interaction both in AQ and furina's SQ
I still see some in denial lol
The biggest flaw in this theory is that in the summer event it was stated that eidolons or oceanids that take human shape all have blue eyes and blue hair, as we see now with the girl in the current poetry event. Speaking of which, we learned from her that it takes energy to maintain human form. It isn't long lasting. If the people of Fontaine were eidolons they likely would have lost their human shape long ago due to the energy consumption.
It's far more likely that there's something else that's special about Fontainians.
When we drank the primordial water they said we felt more attuned to the hydro element. The reason I guess for fontanians being dissolved is that they are already naturally attuned to hydro so they end up becoming hydro itself. As for why the Primordial water does that probably has something to do with the whale (they did tease it at the end of 4.1 AQ) Also if they really were eidolons and get dissolved then Furina would get dissolved as well so that can't be true since the prophecy states she would be the only one left.
Yes and even then, they would not stay in human form after death either. I do think Fontainians are humans made from primordial water tho, as that would explain why they can be dissolved and turn into Oceanids. There's definitely a connection between them and the sea.
I also don't think Egeria made the Oratrice, since it was apparently made around 400 years ago when she was already dead.
Furina's seeming immunity to primordial water makes it unlikely for her to be an Oceanid, as well as her name not being from an actual Oceanid like all the others and her appearance being so different (and that would also be redundant after two events with similar reveal imo).
The biggest flaw is that Neuvilette wouldn't be apologizing to Primordial One for overruling the judgement 🤔
@@RihoramaTbh, I don’t think that Neuvillette apologizing towards Celestia is that far fetch if people view the line more as a plea and not a sincere apology.
Look at it this way. Neuvi is the Hydro Sovereign reborned, freely walking in Teyvat… And Celestia is doing nothing about it (on the surface at least)? Lol Would certainly make more sense if Neuvi is able to live his life as long as he does nothing to threaten Celestia’s rule. So if the Primordial Sea pressuring upwards in the prison is the results of Celestia’s doing, then Neuvi’s line can easily be read as “Look, I know I’m suppose to not overstep, but please don’t do anything rash. This ruling is too harsh.”
Now, am I SAYING that it is Celestia controlling the sea? Not necessarily, cause the only thing we do know for certain is that the sea existed even before the Primordial One’s ruling (aka, a product of the Old World), so we can only speculate who can control the sea. With that said, Celestia stole the Elemental Authorities from the Sovereigns. Not really a wild concept then that Celestia thus have control of elements from the Old World and refashioned it to fit their purposes. But I can also see it being the act of the Abyss, I do not know how exactly when it was “supposedly” Celestia that gain control of powers and the landscape of the Old World, other than a gut feeling mainly since I still suspect that Celestia and the Abyss have a more symbiotic relationship than it first appears (if the parallels to Imaginary and Quanta actually holds significance for Genshin).
tl;dr I suspect you’re not suppose to take Neuvi’s line about forgiveness quite literally.
@@TheGeekyRedMageI think they meant The primordial sea not the primordial one, or rather the whale in the primordial sea. It’s pretty clear in Neuvillette’s voice lines he’s not a fan of the primordial one.
YOU GOT EVERYTHING ALL CORRECT, ESPECIALLY AG 28:00 THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENS YOU'RE ACTUALLY INSANE 😭😭
Ashikai you are amazing. I just finished the archon quest…I’m utterly speechless
If the whale is an abyssally corrupted dragon-adjacent creature that is the embodiment of the primordial sea, then it makes sense why Neuvillette is the only one who can control it.
My theory is that the purpose of the indemnitium/oratrice is to return Neuvillette's full authority as hydro sovereign, and only when he has that authority, he can wrestle control over the whale fully, and end the prophecy.
Furina has to maintain the act because obviously Celestia doesn't want dragon sovereigns regaining their authority, particularly if it undermines their plans.
I personally don't think that the prophecy was set up by Celestia, because Neuvillette apologises, seemingly genuinely, that he must override the judgement of the prophecy.
It only makes sense for him to apologise IMO if the origin of the prophecy is draconic.
Given that the original inhabitants of Teyvat were the dragons, and the primordial one stole their celestial authority and Teyvat as a whole, I think that the Primordial sea actually predates the primordial one, and was originally part of the domain of the dragons. So it makes sense that both the whale and the sea as a whole would answer chiefly to a hydro sovereign who has their full authority.
The game itself states that Sovereign Hydro is the heart of the Primordial Sea and that this primordial water was the origin of the entire race of Teyvat (including the Dragartos who exist long before Phanes). I don't understand why this part of the lore wasn't mentioned in the video, because this part practically confirms that the prophecy has more to do with dragons than Celestia, and after all, Neuvillette himself states that if he recovered the Hydro Authority he could end the prophecy.
Childes gonna be weak
Her theory is pretty good as always, but I think besides the loose ends she mentions at the end, the one that you mention about Neuvillette apologizing is a big one.Maybe the prophecy was set up by the former hydro sovereign himself and the whale could also be like a remnant of his power that was corrupted by the abyss maybe because of his resentment towards Fontaine, and maybe it was set on motion when the hydro sovereign was reincarnated as Neuvillette, so that's why she looked for him and brought him to Fontaine.There is also the fact that Neuvillette mentions in his trailer and his quest that he has missing memories which is kinda sus, maybe Egeria have something to do with it or maybe is the corruption in the whale that you mention that somehow affected his memories due to his connection with it
"Furina has to maintain the act because obviously Celestia doesn't want dragon sovereigns regaining their authority"
If you return to the Travail trailer (we will always return to it, aparently), in the Fontaine part Dains says that "the god of justice lives for the spectacle of the courtroom, but even she knows not to make an enemy of the divine", and I think that both your afirmation and dains fit together perfectly. It's all an act created by Egaria so Neuvillette can regain his hydro autority and stops the primordial waters, however they can't let Celestia know it, so Furina pretends to be the one in charge as the new archon.
What confuses me about this theory is the aftermath. I don't know how Furina and Neuvillette would create this plan when eventually Neuvillette will regain his powers and thus, making it impossible for Celestia to not know about it afterwards. Unless you think this will lead the a big change in the story to where Celestia goes to war with Neuvillette and probably Fontaine as a whole because of this, I don't see how this plan won't alert Celestia at some point. It seems incredibly short-sight of them, not to mention Neuvillette states that he rather not retake his Authority if possible, so at most it sounds like a plan z type of deal.
I am in agreement for now that the Primordial Sea is an aspect of the Old World/The Light Realm rather than Celestia (at least mainly cause perhaps it's one of the many things that Celestia decided to steal and take control of for themselves like Elemental Authority). I'm not confident in the rest of the theory though or that I don't think Ashikai's theories don't have merit.
What doesn't convince me about the idea that Fontaine people are eidolons is that they seem to have physical bodies. And I'm not talking about the elemental sight thing, but that every description of what happens to the people dissolved in primordial waters seems to be something along the lines of separating the consciousness from the body, while for oceanids (and I assume eidolons too) their body IS their consciousness.
Also, how do eidolons just... live normal human lives? In the sense that they have the same lifespan as a normal human? How do they die? How do they reproduce? Though it's not above hoyoverse to leave such plot holes up in the air, so I don't think this serves as an argument against the theory lol
One thing that catched my attention since 4.0 on one fo the notes found on the philosophy institute (the same note that says egeria cried the tear that gave birth to the first oceanid) is that it mentions that for oceanids to give birth they basically need to ask the hydro archon for them to "divide" or procreate, and during ACT 1 on the AQs we are specifically shown that the people of fontaine go to the fountain of lucine (a place were all the water merges into) to ask for a blessing of the hydro archon whenever they want kids, soo... I speculated since then that fontaine people might all be hydro eidolons so when I saw that and made the connection with that scene I was like "oh, that makes sense"
@@mandyred1heck yeah, that is an astute correlation ❤
Also in the current event, the poetry one... we saw that the Fontaine girl callirhoe is actually and eidolon AND an ocenid, AND the fairy of springvale. She used to listen to the wishes and dreams of all springvale people, yet we had one guy "old finch" who got more attached to her after he talked his heart out and vice versa. That got me confused for a bit as to why she left then, but then I also noticed that she could've left because she knew she doesn't have enough power to be a human and act like a human.
But since now she understands that emotions matter more than kid making, she gave him a "heart" made out of pure water to be with old finch, that'll let him meet her in her dreams
So what I could gather from the event here, is that... Callirhoe ran away from springvale in fear of not being able to understand Finch (and probably knowing she can't be like a human) and went around the world learning about different emotions. When she came to understand such emotions, she came to terms that "she can't be like human, but ahe can give her heart in exchange " out of love for a human
If the hydro eidolons created in Bottleland are Idyia's creations, and they're as simple as we see, I think it stands to reason that Egeria, the presumed queen of the Oceanids, the strongest one, would be able to make eidolons that are much, much, much more complex, practically human for all intents and purposes. Unable to change shape anymore, functionally human in every respect, just different on a molecular level.
not to mention the fontaine ppl who living in other countries tho
GIRL YOUR FONTANIANS NOT BEING HUMANS THEORY WAS RIGHT I WAS GIGGLING AND SHIT DURING UT
hello from "the future"
Its incredible how "close" this was to the real story behind the scenes.
The "visions" and "gnosis" ideas should soon change and be very close to the real thing
Watching this now after everything and wheen you said "The lead actress in a never ending play"
Chills. Just chills
Ayoo wtf this video really aged well
Also, there is one thing I'd really like to note. *(Spoilers for the current Windborne Poetry event)*
When Callirhoe's human transformation is undone in the final act, she does not return to oceanid form, instead she becomes a Hydro Eidolon. Only once she is in proximity to her own spring, she assumes an oceanid form, which was visibly much more taxing on her.
This, to me, indicates that Hydro Eidolons can be classified into two types: 1. Weakened forms of Oceanids (the power of water is it's ability to take any shape after all), or 2. Shards created by Oceanids that have the power to become Oceanids themselves eventually.
I'm not that good of a theorist, but this is what came to mind after the event.
Another addition to your theory:
In the description of one of the tainted Hydro Phantasms, it states that Oceanids can also be naturally born from pure waters, so when the waters of Fontaine got "corrupted", Oceanids can no longer be born from pure waters and the tainted Eidolons began to exist.
I'm leaning more towards the latter that Eidolons are fragments that can become Oceanids
ASHIKAI YOU’RE LITERALLY GENSHIN’S GORDON RAMSEY
Ashi: Hey, kid. You like Fonta?
+Well, yeah.
Ashi: Did you know water ghosts taking the form of dead people are manufacturing it?
+Please, release my arm.
u cookin and we eatin
Periodt
GENUINELY even for her standards the cookery in this vid is insane
Thassa fact
I can t believe how close she was this is insane...
Now I’m wondering if Hydro Archon crying on her throne in the prophecy can be interpreted a different way. As in, maybe everyone in Fontaine does dissolve and Furina, after reuniting the parts of herself, cries to bring them back, just as Egeria did in the past.
This would’ve been SO COOL damn I wish they’d done this
Unfortunately that would’ve just brought a new sin
Surprisingly accurate predictions/theories bar a few specifics here and there, had to go back and watch this after the 4.2 archon quest to see! Crazy!
Ashikai done did it again (and Reddit)
this aged well! great work, mate 🎉😮
Bravo. I swore I would be be back here if your theory was right!
The way I screamed when that part came
Ei and Makoto are lightening given form which makes more sense then sandals imo since the people of Inazuma used to worship the lightening itself and worshiping something in Japanese folklore gave it life and a book says that's how they were born
Which book
BRAVO ASHIKAI, your theory is spot on!
You've completely sold me on everyone being an Eidolon, with how it ties up every single loose end I can't not believe it.
THE WAY U GOT PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHINGN RIGHT
omg looking at this video literally hits differently LITERALLY AGED LIKE FINE WINE
HOW WERE U SO RIGHT???? I THOUGHT HOYO WOULD NEVER DOTHAT'
31:08 I think Egeria didn’t give him the Gnosis back then because he simply couldn’t “resonate” or understand human emotions that well yet. So, perhaps when he empathizes and sees the worth of “human” life he’ll be able to save them. Maybe way back then Neuvillette or the former Hydro Sovereign just hated humans for what they stood and Egeria wasn’t completely sure they’d save them lol. i’m just gonna wait for the Archon quest to see what happens
Very valid point. Maybe the Indemnitium is the compensation Egeria prepared for Neuvilette when he's ready and for him to use it to force back the primordial sea into Abyss (because i don't think it will be that easy to destroy an entire ocean of such potent water)
holy hell you cooked 💀
@@jamesnishimura5623 damn i kinda did ngl 🤭😝
this video aged well
SHE PREDICTED EVERYTHING
If they were all dead and replaced, wouldn't they all have Blue Eyes like in the 3.8 event with the Oceanid? 🧐 Pretty the traveler or Arlecchino would have noticed this
I mean Egeria was not common oceanid, she couldve done something so they are not recognisable, its more like a creation of an hybrid time race "human eidolon" that actual simple eidolon
I mean it is not that the current people are dead. It is more that the people in that time died and the current ones would be a succecion of hydro eidolons who aren't aware of themselves and just live as usual humans and even might end up having some genetics with humans down the line
This ain't yugioh lil bro
Exactly what I'm thinking! Also, Fontainians don't glow a bright blue colour when using elemental sight, instead glowing a whit-ish colour. This is unlike all the NPCs in the secret summer paradise event in Bottleland, which all glow a bright blue colour, regardless if they are an Oceanid like Idyia or a hydro eidolon like the other NPCs. Heck, if Furina is supposedly a split part of the former hydro archon, that'll make her an Oceanid right? She doesn't glow blue if I'm not mistaken
it may be because they've been human for so long that they no longer can transform into Oceanids at will so they don't have any of the glowing eyes or hair. they cant access that power anymore
Bro she's literally cooked and got 5 michelin star
Didn't watch this video until now cause I know you're always on point, and it looks like I was right. After coming back to this video post Archon quest it's mindboggling how accurate this is. Ashikai, you're a genius!
Didn't the primordial water exist before the primordial one arrived? Like Neuvillette said that all life was created and nurtured by it, which is why he is suprised that it is harmful for the people from Fontaine. Or something like that. It was when we talked to him at the end of Act 2 I believe.
I also believe that Childe somehow awakened the Whale when he fell into the abyss which caused the primordial water to appear again/go active (outside of Meropide?) and was then found and used by Marcel, which is was made him guilty in the eyes of the Oratrice.
I agree that Furina somehow split apart. I first thought about that possibility after I finished Narzissenkreuz Quest with Mary-Ann and Ann and thought that something similar may have happened with Furina. That Furina is the one we see and Focalors is in the Oratrice.
I'd imagine that the Primordial One coming to Teyvat was like a person stepping on a boat that they just finished making, except in the middle of that step all the micro bacteria suddenly evolve and form their own civilization and have their own histories.
But then Childe has to be 30+ years old which I don't think he is.
@@TheLegalPlayer Hm... that's true, Marcel started years ago.
But it's strange because Childe tells us in Act 1 that Skirk told him he had awakened "it," and that traces of "it" remained on him so I assumed he awakened the whale which then started the prophecy by making the primordial water slowly become active.
Maybe it was just the primordial water inside Meropide and the little bit Marcel found exists outside of the prophecy and has always been where he found it. Oh! The Narzissenkreuz people experimented with primordial water, right? Maybe what Marcel found where leftovers from them.
FUCK EVERYONE WHO DIDNT BELIEVE IN YOU GURL U SLAY
fr twitter was so mad at her but for what lmao
@@lachedewait. Why were they mad again? Is it because of the theories she presented in the vid?
@@cix_ldc2358yeah she got ALOT of backlash from this theory from people calling her “stupid” and how “ashikai fell off with this one”
@@JordanLopez-sv9sp huh???? And then almost everything she said turned out to be true. Lmao. Those people must feel really stupid now
Holy shit you were right
You know why I’m here and I know why I’m here 🍳🔥
It's so crazy how sm of the stuff she said links up perfectly to the 4.2 archon quests
she was right this is insane like actually
Egeira saw childe and just went ''nope get that thing outta my sight"
"-What a lovely day, the one responsible for all the murder will be- *AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH NO* "
THIS THEORY SLAPS AND 1000% ACCURATE!!!!!! I FIRMLY BELIEVE ANYTHING ASHIKAI SAYS!!!
This woman has the best theories I've seen in a while, looking forward for this one to come out!
No like she has truelly mastered the Lore
Wei Zhongli Descender one was better
@@playmobilegamescodm yeah but that was like an average wei theory and unfortunately got contradicted because hyv fixed the statement later
@@Facto_Sapien10 Are you telling his theories are wrong? They seem more surprising than most other theories.
What were the changes in the statement? And HYV could have done it to suppress the theory cause it will spoil if found true.
@@playmobilegamescodm no, his theories are the best
And recently the zhongli descender theory got contradicted because Hyv fixed the sentence
When you mentioned Furina's role in the court system, that she has the responsibility of drawing interest and intrigue towards the legal proceedings - and really the oratrice - it reminded me of a line actually. I think in one of the promotional animations, (maybe for Neuvilette actually) she interrupts him to say that they can't end things too early because they need to be more entertaining/exciting, and he agrees with her. So that's some evidence toward that I suppose!
"The God of Justice lives for the spectacle of the courtroom, seeking to judge all other gods.
But even she knows not to make an enemy of the divine."
- Dáinsleif
I am here after finishing the archon quest because you are amazing omg
Two extra tidbits to add on!
In Neuvillette's "More about Neuvillette III" voiceline, he says: "I went to see an opera recently. It was about a lady whose personal charm and manipulative schemes allowed her to continue to dominate the affairs of the grand mansion where she lived even after her death, like a ghost that refused to be exorcised. The acting was impeccable, and the story exceptional. It also reminded me of the current state of affairs in the real world."
When I first read this, I also wondered if Egeria hadn't fully died in the cataclysm-- if somehow her ghost had been haunting Fontaine or if she was puppeteering everything all along with the Oratice and Furina and now it seems it's all her all along except she's not puppeteering... it's just... actually... her!
Second, in Neuvillette's character demo, he walks through a sea full of drowned people and if your theory is right then this scene makes so much *actual* sense!
that Neuvilette line might also be talking about Celestia, which has been weirdly quiet for years (I think it's Venti that mentions it)
Frankly, I think Egeria's plan wasn't from her own prescience, but an extension of the Goddess of Flowers'. She was the one who saw the Cataclysm and gave Rukkha the Simurgh. Egeria died as a part of the plan, so who is to say that information about Fontaine's future was not also shared with her?
This makes sense. When I Heard that line I thought he was talking about the real Focalors in the oratrice. But it could be Egeria too.
The only Problem with this, is that when Neuvillette remebers the past, it's always Furina's voice talking to him and not Egeria. He doesn't seem like he knew Egeria.
One point that you didnt talk about is Neuvilette himself commented on the verdict of the sin in the stoppin water cutscene, which imo implied he agreed to condeming the people. This create a weird contradiction between hydro sovereign who agreed to condem fontaine to the primodial flood, and your theory of hydro sovereign helped Egeria sealed primodial water.
Also Neuvilette sensed Furina being sad and literally spaced out made me think theres more to their relationship, you dont just look at a doll and space out like that.
Great point. Also we heard how she spoke to him in the past or we read her letter to him cheering that he will touch grass and learn more about his people. Their relationship should be deeper that what we were shown
What he said in CN during that cutscene is something like "This trial is too grand. Please forgive me for not being able to participate in the veredict"
For me it means the powers involved in the prophecy are too great for him to be able to stop it (he can't participate in the veredict -> he can't overrule the veredict). And he's apologizing to all of Fontaine for his lack of power.
I thought he didn't agree though? I don't know if it's a language issue but iirc in EN he said the punishment is too harsh and he's sorry he's delaying it.
@@CenerothXaris its "this sentence is too severe, forgive me for overruling it".
Either way, its still direct toward the one who is giving the sentence since hes sorry for overruling it, which imo, before he decided to overrule it, he agreed to it, or at least not go against it. Its like a silence equal compliance case
I'm pretty sure it was Remus who changed the DNA of the people in Fontaine with the Golden Symphony. He was the first to perform experiments with melting people in Primordial Water and his version of it - the Golden Ichor.
The theory that Fontainians are hydro eidolons doesn't make sense, because eidolons are already water spirits, they wouldn't dissolve, nor would Egeria have the power or the reason to do something like that.
Remember that Fontainians only melt when they come in contact with pure Primordial Water, if it's diluted they either get high or get sick and die depending on the concentration. Which implies there's a specific (annihilation) reaction taking place between the pure Primordial Water and the unique DNA of Fontainians.
Just finished 4.2 archon quest and I just have to get back here to comment. I've got overwhelmed because you're theory told the quest accurately, specially about furina and people of Fontaine. That's just amazed me 😍
ASHIKAI. YOU ARE A GENIUS. WOW. I'M COMING BACK HERE AFTER 4.2 AND JUST WOW.
It's crazyhow accruate this theroy is...
I did'nt believe this theory because of the elemental sight but it was true...
I've had a crack head theory for a while that I think Furina might have a split personality it's been pointed out by the game a while now that Furina randomly acts different and more mature and serious at times (Act 2 when Navia enters the court she points this out and it's brushed off as maybe she's embarrassed about last time and Act 4 pointed out during her conversation with Arlecchino she seemed very serious out of nowhere but then went back to normal, the traveler comparing her to a "popped balloon") anytime it happens people have brushed it off as Furina being quirky but thinking of it as a split personality kinda makes sense. I don't know what this adds to this videos theory but I just wanted to throw out if anyone was interested
Considering Furina is shown with only 1 half of the 'droplet eye' there should also be another half to complete the set. So its very likely
I don't think Furina changing her emotions is necessarily a case of split personality. That's just how she is because of her insecurities. She's just putting up an act (her "normal" self, faking confidence) to maybe cope or show everyone that she's in control with the situation she's in. Her "serious" side is her being self-conscious or self-aware.
Maybe she does have another personality or side, but it hasn't manifested yet. Like a dormant thing waiting for a catalyst to awaken. Or she's split in a different way, like two separate clones of her or something like that.
Having said that, I wouldn't be surprised if she does have a separate entity inside her because of the oceanid's whole "merging" thingy they have going on rn
I was just shocked from how accurate this was when playing the archon quest
Okay, who let you cook this much? And how did this age so well?
Great Video. Proved to be right. 😅
This aged like fine wine
If you think about it, a water droplet acts like a prism, splitting white light into the different wavelengths of color that it's made of. Like how Egeria split herself into fractal aspects.
while doing the archon quest i was seriously screaming because of how much this video was SOOOOOO close to the actual truth of the story!
One thing I'm really curious about with the whole idea of Fontaine being filled with predominantly Hydro Eidolons including the Archon is if there's a consequence to splitting yourself that many times. Idyia maybe could have had a hand at creating the eidolons in Bottleland but that kind of move looks so small compared to if you were to clone what could be an entire nation. I mean sure Egeria is an Archon and Oceanid but I feel like there may be some consequences to creating lesser copies of yourself which in themselves could multiply more (assuming we put aside the hydro eidolon reproduction stuff) to create more people that could be themselves eidolons. The only way I see there being no real consequences is if Fontaine's people pulled evolution gymnastics to somehow become thier own species and cut ties with their original creators bar the part where they turn to water which would be their fundamental thing that they can't evolve out of.
As a side note, maybe mixing with other humans from other nations could be a thing, but the offspring would still be either part eidolon which makes them susceptible to primordial seawater or they won't be able to mix at all because I can imagine mixing the genes of what's basically sentient water and that of a human probably won't end well outside of having Archon intervention (which would be a problem if the mixing of genes happened after Egeria's death).
Reminds me of Vill-V from HI 3rd. Basically she can splits her personality/mind/consciousness indefinitely as well as delegating specific task & knowledge for each persona. But she limits herself to 8 persona because if she splits too much she'll just become too dumb, her brain power would be spread too thin.
This Vill-V chad also has European steampunk aesthetic and orchestrated the grand plan to save her "world" from being destroyed by the antagonist, doing so while she worked from the shadow. She used lots of trick, deception, lies and backdoor mechanic 😂.
Regarding the whole reproduction thing... worse things have happened in mythology. lol
Considering it's seems obvious that Fontaine is partly base on Greek culture and history. Well... not out of the realm of possibilities that they could have taken inspiration on this front, at least broadly. lmao
Everyone in Fontaine being Hydro Eidolons doesn't make much sense for one simple reason:
They age and have children like normal humans, which wouldn't make sense if they were just imitating the human form.
And they would probably glow blue in Elemental Vision.
Maybe it has something to do with the fact that they are the creation of Egeria? The regular Hydro Eidolons were made by a regular Oceanid, so maybe Egeria is just built different, lmao. Using the power of the Gnosis or something could've given her the ability to create special Hydro Eidolons that function pretty much exactly like humans. Who knows, it's all simply speculation at this point.
@@nanospeed2550 Perhaps, but as she said in the video, the biological implications of this would be chaos to understand, and the simplest answer is usually the true one.
@@Truck-kun11 Yeah, tea. We'll just have to wait and see where Hoyo takes it. I love the theory and will believe in it for the chaos and drama of it all, but I'm personally not completely sold on it. I don't feel like Hoyo would take it there, at best, they would use it as a red herring or something and take it to a different direction. But idc I just think it's funny to think that fontaine is filled by fake bitches lmao
I am actually scared for how closely accurate this theory is for 4.2 oh my god
“Steparchon I’m stuck” 😂
The editor has been on fire lately!
Leviathan's body is made from souls (like Hobbes' book). Maybe the Leviathan is created by the souls of the ancient people in Fontaine (Remurians?).
One thing it learnt through these years, is that no matter how theories we have, the true story is always different.
"The true story is always different."
If you selectively pick theories to make this seem like the case. lol Yeah, many theories turn out to be incorrect, but there have been theories that ended up being true, like how people figured out that Scaramouche was someone related to the Raiden Shogun before Yae revealed this, or that the Gnoses actually belong to the Dragon Sovereigns before Neuvillette officially revealed that they are basically the Sovereign's Elemental Authorities. And of course, there are theories where aspects of it turn out to be true, like a number of Ashikai's theories for example.
Let's not lie now. lol Yes, it's important that people don't treat theories at face value. They are theories for a reason at the end of the day. But Hoyo literally design and formulated the storytelling for people to theorize aspects of the story, and they're not that subtle with it either. lmao This literally what happened with Neuvillette's true identity for example, where even people that don't bother theorizing aspects of the story theorized that Neuvillette was the reborn Hydro Sovereign, because Hoyo was as subtle as a brick being thrown at your face. lol
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ID JUST LIKE TO SAY, YOU ARE SPOT ON LIKE EVERYTHING IS MOSTLY RIGHT (maybe its all right but i havent done the archin quest, i only watched the cutscenes)
THIS THEORY IS PROBABLY THE ONLY ONE THAT WAS RIGHT NO MATTER HOW STRECHED IT
genshin is just really good at putting hints and you're problem solving is just WOW
I swear youre just WOW
Mmmm I don't know about this one... normally, I'm in agreement with most of what Ashikai says, but this time it feels like too much of a stretch, and it doesn't fit in with several raised points from the archon quest: why wouldn't Neuvillette sense anything off with Childe? Why would Childe's vision act up, when we know that the archons don't actually give the visions? How could, if Furina is in fact a part of Egaria (and i agree that she probably is), could Furina be so unaware of everything else happening? If the hydro vision is in the Oratrice, which it most likely is, why would it have a problem with Childe, when we now have evidence that the gnosis are created by using the dragon sovereigns' power? If everyone really is dead in Fontaine, and they're hydro eidolons, wouldn't anyone coming in from outside of Fontaine have spotted something off about them? Wouldn't Neuvillette say something? Wouldn't the other archons that we're friends with? You'd think Nahida at least would have given some kind of indication, considering the entire game story has been planned out for years. I have other questions as well, but my head is too full to ask them right now. In any case, 4.2 will definitely be a trip
Yeah...usually i agree with lots of her take. but for this particular video, i have a lot of questions. But then again she clarified that most of the materials in this video are taken from someone else's opinion in reddit.
It's possible Neuvillette know it, but he doesn't know that it's not normal
Also, about Childe's vision, she explained it in the closing thought
Rewatching all of the theory videos before I dive into the last AQ. LESGOOOOOO!!!
Another fine dish from chef Ashikai tomorrow? Hype!
Oh my what atrocities has her kitchen experienced? XD
I agree with most of this theory (with the exception of the idea of everyone in Fontaine being Hydro Eidolons), and based on that and my own assumptions, the timeline of events probably goes like this:
- Egeria becomes the Hydro Archon after the War and rebuilds what was left of Remuria, which would later become Fontaine.
- At some point after the War, Egeria commits some great sin that marks all of her people as Sinners.
- The Primordial Sea was used as punishment so she blocked it, or the very act of blocking the Primordial Sea was the sin she committed.
- She encounters a young Neuvillette who, due to the impurity of the Hydro Vishaps, was reborn in human form.
- Having sympathy for Dragons She takes care of him.
- During the Cataclysm she creates Furina from herself (Intentionally or by accident?) and goes to fight against the Abyss in the desert, where she dies.
- Right before leaving or right before dying she speaks the prophecy as her last words, which would haunt Furina for the next 500 years.
This has got to be the most in-depth and well put together theory crafting I’ve seen for Genshin thus far!
I love the idea that everyone who originates from Fontaine might be a sort of ghost-like existence. It would really add to the overall dark and depressing theme that Mihoyo is trying to steer story’s direction towards as we get closer to the end of the story. I do hope the majority of your theory does actually become reality cause I can’t imagine a more better/darker concept that they could possibly come up with other than this lol
Doesn't "Furina;" the mature sounding one in the 4.1 trailer, say to Neuvillette that he "will see much in the *human* world" and that "once he has dwelt among *humanity* for long enough, etc..."
I thought the purpose of his deal with Egeria was to see that humans are worth saving, but if everyone is Fontaine is already dead, he hasn't really been dwelling amongst humans, has he?
Do we even know if Neuvilette ever interacted with Egeria at all? All the voices that spoke with him in both his trailer and his story quest wre Furina's voice and not Egeria's
I would assume Furina took Neuvillette in when he was a child
me coming back to this after the recent archon quest: *someone cooked here*
Nahida in Sumeru did fear Datore, she even backed up his claim "you know you can't beat me with your current power".
*Venti* : Gets beat up by the harbinger.
*Zhongli* : Signs contract with the harbinger.
*Raiden* : Slices apart the harbinger.
*Nahida* : Defeats one harbinger, kills multiple Dottore.
*Furina* : Help!
Just came back from reading the 4.2 archon quest on project amber because I was impatient and all I gotta say is…, I am so sorry for ever doubting you (I love your vids but this was genuinely the first time I thought your theory was wack 😅) I mean, not all parts of the theory was correct, but the general idea of it was 😱
no wonder scaramouche so scared of his mom, she's a asian sandal youkai.
that's like the final boss in asian culture.
I can’t explain how much I love Ashikai’s videos/theories thank you for all the hard work
as far as I understand destiny cannot be changed in Theyvat the voice in Sumeru says so, destiny is said to be closely tied to the vision. However if the vision is a roadmap for a destiny that means whoever gives out visions controls the development of the future. But if Kazuha can have two destinies doesn't that contradict everything we know so far. I believe it is at that moment that Ei decided to get out of plane of Euthymia and not something the traveller did. Now this is not an accident from Hoyoverse because Childe now apparently can have two destinies as well. Ei is only shown surprised when Kazuha can meet the blade and survive it. It may of course be the influence of the traveller that makes that possible, and Ei may already have calculated that possibility. If humanity can fight the influence of a vision Inazuma may be ready to go to war in the loving memory of her sister Makoto. Otherwise humanity is enslaved and cannot control their own destiny some would call that cruelty.
Idk about the whole reason being she's out from her place is because of kazuha, but i think that's not the case. It's because she promised to honor the winner and let the traveler get out from tenshukaku alive. Once traveler set their feet outside of tenshukaku, she immediately tried to eliminate traveler. Since the traveler is considered as threat to eternity, that's why the kazuha scene happened at all. She's merely surprised that there's ordinary human who can withstand her strike.
As we know, the world of Teyvat runs in a Samsara cycle like the one we experienced during the first part of the Sumeru Archon quest, but we also see it’s very possible to break that cycle by finding its host and waking them up, which eventually leads to a new cycle or in the case of the sabzerus festival-to return to our own…
What I think is that just like before, the Traveler is the new variant in Teyvat that has been slowly breaking the samsara cycle and preventing these catastrophic events from happening and will at the end create a new cycle where the events we lived will continue to happen in the long future
Childe’s destiny likely has already been changed. It’s said so in his boss drops.
For the Ei case, I might remid you that it was the Puppet, not her, explaining the lack of emotion
Didn’t the Sumeru witch lady or someone say that a god could change destiny?
In the last cinematic of the event Waterborne Poetry we can see Callirhoe as an Océanide and she swim in and out of the water exactly like the in-game animation of Fontainians, it's a little hint that reenforce your point I think
19:30 Remember Nahida's 2nd quest? The "elemental form" became a fungi and had children with other fungi. Her children were also fungi, although it was a little more intelligent. That could explain how fontanian children with other people from Teyvat are humans (or at least that's what it seems). Fontanians are also elemental forms (hydro elemental forms/eidolons) that took the shape of a human, being "humans" in biology, but not in essence.
The bakezori theory is the most baffling thing we’ve ever heard. There’s no way the Raiden sisters are old sandals. They’re clearly Louboutins or at least a nice pair of Jordans
Can't wait!
I hope you do a lore analysis of the world quest "Villains" because the Celestia lore in that quest was crazy ❤️
Hi, excuse me, how can i get this mision?
@@Mekakushiraccoon it's in the southeast corner of research institute area. You find some NPCs there
Omg, I completely missed out on that lore, I'd be interested
Omg really ? What is it about ?
@@Sacration the only thing i know about the world quest is that someone used our bath water