I hope your back is better or more tolerable. I'm 26 and my back pain yrs after my accident is nothing short of excruciating. So for you to do videos like this for us is great. We appreciate you.
I MUST say, I absolutely love your instructional video. Going to Vegas next month and will try your strategy at the crap's table. Cannot wait! Happy Sunday! :)
i only play don't. My heaviest lays are always against the 6 and 8. It's pays the most yet you are still favorite. Think about that? I many times also do an overlay when I'm at max lay. I played in AC last week at the trop. Playing $75 flat/$450 lay. Hit EIGHT 'point established then immediate 7's' in a row. EIGHT. Turned $2,000 in $12,000 in about 15 min. How about that for a system? The game is for fools and playing against the 7 makes you the King of Fools. Your crown is empty pockets. "We're waiting for a hot shooter" is what I always hear at the table. I laugh to myself as the 7 rolls. There's a reason the house wins on the 7 and it's because THEY ALWAYS WIN. Do all you can to NOT play against the 7 and beat them at their own game.
Hitting the 2 and 3 protects you (and then some) from the 11. You should actually protect yourself from the hard 4 or 10. That way, only the 6-4 or 3-1 can hurt you. And you can take back the hard way too.
I'm a noob at craps but quickly saw the benefit of playing the dark side. Yes, there are more ways to roll a 7 (6) than any other number, but STATISTICALLY, the 7 is only rolled 18% of the time, so once you get past the come-out roll, the advantage swings to the dark side player. It's all about the odds, which is how the casinos have thrived over the decades. FYI: The 6,7, and 8 combine for nearly 50% of all rolls. There is approximately a 3% difference in a number being rolled as you go up and down away from the 7. Knowlege is power.
Watch Waylon: you and he are 2 rare guys that understand dark and light side play. Good to see you encourage folks to play in ways they enjoy and that don't mathematically affect them negatively.
We never understand why the Don't player lays odds ??? You're starting out at 100% ROI and the more odds you lay the lower your ROI. We do believe in Hedge betting our Don't bets. From the Show: THE TOP TEN MYTHS IN CRAPS. Good Luck at the tables!!
Have used this several times (especially on a cold or choppy table). The one variation I use is that you can leave that Lay 4 or 10 up for ONE ROLL AFTER the Point is established. That catches the PSO rollers without that much more risk and gives that $30 6/8 a bit more relief without having to place more odds on the DP and have all your hedge eggs in one basket.
Thanks Ken . I like to call the 2 or 3 win on the come out roll as gravy/ extra cheese . What else can we name them? LOL! Q: Is it a good bet on the come out roll in the long run to hedge hopping $5 each ( 64 & 55)on the 10 too to get back the money if the point hits as 10 along with $5 yo?
I personally don't hop. It is a guaranteed loss if the 10 don't show. And it don't most of the time. If I lay the 10 and it gets hit, it gives me a shot at going up on the odds of the DP I understand the logic behind it though
Hey Ken I watched one of your older videos that I really like. You know how you lay the the 10 for $150. What do you think about splitting it in half and putting it on the four and 10, 75 each? Take take care all the best
I'd personally replace the 150 lay on the 10 with a 15 dollar 7 and forgo the 5 dollar yo. That gives you enough action for 10 shooters where the 150 dollar 10 can go fast if people end up shooting the outside on the comeout. It gives the same amount of coverage and the Yo isn't as likely to happen so you might even have a slower bleed on the hedge comparatively. Very cool system though! I'd love to try this one out! :D Hope your back is better
Ken , I hope you are enjoying your day !!!! I got two questions for you : ( 1 ) What's your opinion of "side bets" in black jack : for example betting on getting a "6" , "7" , "8" , pays 30 to one !!!! Side bets are determined by your two cards and the dealers "up" card !!!! Side bets pay if your two cards and the dealers "up" card total "19" , "20" , "21" , etc. !!!! ( 2 ) What's your opinion on tipping the dealer in black jack by placing a "two way" bet for the dealer !!!! I "like" tipping this way because if I win the dealer gets my money and the casinos money !!!!
Ken if you lay the back wall, 200, 40 on the horns, 30 inside, you lose your first hit when a point is established, but you can make them look like place and buy bets, you protected. If the 7 gets hit you lose the don't but make some money, what 50 bucks. a lot of shooters are looking to hit the 7. Is the wall to much of a drain to work?
To me the back wall is a guaranteed loss. Don't get me wrong, if you like it, do it. To me, the way I showed it, is simple and powerful. Plus no guaranteed loss other than the Yo if not hit.
I like this strategy! I would just wouldn't put the odds on the lay with my own money. I would use the winning from the 6 or 8 to keep pressing the Lay (DP) bet. $30 on the Odds and $5 in my rack. I would do this til I hit the max. WHen I hit the max, then I would do a DP Don't come then start over with another number, til the magical 7 comes out.
Well done Ken. Sure, pure Math goes against the bleed... but craps is as much psychological as knowing the math. And there's nothing more damaging to a Dark Side player than 4 or 5 7/11's rolled consecutively (it happens A LOT!) to end the night! Not having that fear is WAY more valuable than the long-term fractions that the Math speaks to .
Look at the Law of Large Averages. Longer you play, more the math of the game plays out to the mathematical or statistical "averages". Key play is to find strategies that pay. For example, DP for $75 is gonna get hit by come out 7 twice in the 'typical' 12 shooters/hour (once every 6 shooters). The Lay 10 for $150 is gonna get hit one in every 12 times, the EXACT same $150 loss. So, using the Lay 10, BY ITSEL:F changes nothing, the $150 loss =$150 loss. BUT, playing the Lay 10, or Lay 4 Will allow another strategy that takes your 2 come-out 7's per hour loss ($150) and reduces it by $120 to only $30. See my comment above on how to do this.
Regarding the VIG on the Lay 10. Pulling it down after the come out, won't cost you anything? Only if a 10 hits on the come out roll and you win. Then they take the VIG?
@@Kenknowsgambling thank you for the quick response! ...I just realized the the VIG would be only ~3 dollars on the win of $75 on a $150 Lay. This is better than doing the $15 on Seven on the Come Out as some of the comments have suggested as an alternative.
Lots of things can be done with a DP/68. Very versatile to accommodate different plays. Just remember that nothing will take the place of money management and discipline Thanks.
Best is to bet don’t pass and lay max odds. You can’t protect any bet with another bet. If the Don’t bet loses, it loses no matter what other bet you make.
Lay 4 OR 10 for $100 hardway $12 and hop EZ $6. Place 5,6,8,9 $5/6 hardway 4 or 10 $1 and DP $7. If point is 4/10 max DP odds [hybrid few rolls] if U like. Works great for bubble craps, adjust levels for $10-$15 tables.
5:49 wait... If you're laying 10 and working it and you establish 10 as the point, you're losing that lay bet, not taking it down. Unless it's not working on the come out, in which case, what's the point of laying 10 on the come out?
Paul, you lay the 10 on the come out to protect the DP. Ok, simple. If the 10 become the point, you do lose the lay...but...you now have a great # to lay odds on. Once the point has been established, you take the lay down because the 7 is now your buddy. I guess I may be missing your point. Can you clarify please.
You covered it normally, just didn't say it came down on the first example, but in regular mechanics, obviously we take that risk of the outside number hitting on the come out, in which, we regain odds by placing maxed odds or timing more lays
If the point is 4, can you place the 4 for the same amount as the Dont? That way, if the 7 rolls, you break even. But if the 4 rolls, it’s a small profit.
I like this strategy,just not crazy about laying odds with the Don't Pass game.I like getting paid even money or more 😀 I'm trying to figure out a way to play this without laying the No 4 or 10 or finding a way to protect it on the come out with some other hedge?
Don't have to lay odds if you don't want to. The lay 4 or 10 just makes more sense to ME. Plus, just like the video, if the lay 10 or 4 gets hit, you can Amp up the odds and get it back. The 4 and 10 are the best DP points to have. All that said, you find your lane that you can be happy with. Much thanks.
@@KenknowsgamblingYes Ken but if it was that easy EVERYONE would just play that strategy ONLY. Some people DON'T like to gamble and if they do they want the consequences of their gamble to be as HARMLESS as possible.
You can lay them BOTH for $75. If either one hits and is your point, you can wait for a 7 to break even or take odds for the profit you want. If you are going to be placing any of the inside numbers, obviously you want to use odds to cover those.
If you want to have the best chance to beat the house then play like the house. The house doesn't hedge its bets against the players, so doing so only plays into their hands. Play the dont straight up with odds and no hedge and all you are give up in the long run is half of the 12 on the come out. A push instead of a win.
i'd take my two or three hits and bring them down. take off those odds and place the four or buy the four for $40 or $35, whatever. Then wait it out. you make $5 more on a four or $35 more on the seven. Make $75 to $105 per shooter and be happy.
I know that hopping is a one time but, hop the 7 for $15 and you can lose 10 times. Don't take that $150 hit. Hope you get your back straight, thanks for your time, always enjoy yours and Waylons vids
You can. I just don't like the guaranteed loss. If you roll 10 CO points, you lose 150. If I avoid the lay getting hit 10 times, I've lost nothing. I see what your saying though. Thanks.
Yes but if you get whacked by the 10 twice it's a $300 hit. The point of spending the $15 on the hop has to be figured into getting that $15 back in your winnings for that particular round. If you can't win $15 back in your round then you should consider a better strategy. Right?
How do you handle those dealers whom are lazy to take down the lay bet after the come out roll. I played in a casino and they acted like they did not hear anything and dice was sent to the roller 😢LOL!
You can do anything you want. Generally, If I play the DC, I'm doing it as a main play. If I play the DP with Odds, that is my main play. However, if I want to play a DP and DC as a main play then I won't put odds on the DP. I will just use the DP as a hedge for the DC. That all being said, if you like playing that way....do it.
One bad and one good thing. If you have a 75 DP and protect with the no 10 and the 10 hits. 1. Bad. Lose 150 2. The 10 is now the point that Good. So, max your odds on the DP. 75, max odds is 450 or at least 300 for a 150 win which gets the lay 10 loss back plus a 75 DP win. That's what I do.
when im waiting for the dice i will do a 60 dont. wait for a point .lets say its a 4. I will place the 4 for 30 and place 30 on the 6or8 no odds If the 8 hits i take 30 from that win and put it on the 4 to make it look like 60 and sit back and let the table so what it do. It a great time killer until you get the dice hopefully I can get a run on the 8 make my 60 back even if the 4 hits i still make a few bucks.
It protects your DP with a number that can only be hit 3 ways out of 36 possible outcomes. Plus, if the 10 gets hit, it gives you the best number to put odds on.
Isn't a 7 more likely to happen then an 11? Why hedge against 11 not 7? The comeout roll is the most risky for don't players due to 7. I'd wait to place bet on 10 until point placed. Odds on 6/8 are risky. I do it but only x1
As I said in the video, do what you want. No right, no wrong. Just what makes sense to you. How you see me play is how I like it. As long as you get the concept, all is good. Thanks.
The math says the 11 hits about every 18 rolls--which on a 'typical' table with 12 shooters/hour is every 1 1/2 hours or twice every 3 hours. The math does NOT work to put $5 x 12 shooters/hour =$60, and then $60/hr x 3 hours for $180 minus ($75 x 2-loss you're "preventing") $150 = LARGER Net Loss of $30, or a loss of $10/hour EVEY hour you play. Law of Large Numbers will get you this outcome over time. Maybe not this 3 hours, but over the next 30 or 60 or 90 hours. BUT there' a strategy you CAN use which pays $120/hour, EVERY hour. read my comment above.
Ken, in the comments people are not disagreeing with you. They just think they see an angle, you have not thought of. Many times, you do refute these suggestions with your perspective, which most of the time is quite valid! Best of luck, with your back.
Hey ken if you don’t mind. For blackjack and baccarat how do you determine what your betting unit size should be based on your session bankroll. Thanks
Hi Roger. First, you just keep banging away with the strategy and you should overcome the loss fairly quickly. 2nd, if the point is a 10 and knocks the lay, you now have a DP on the best number. You can now max odds on the DP. It happen in the video twice and still came out. Remember, you have a loss limit to protect you from a catastrophic session. So....keep banging it if the lay goes down. It will happen from time to time.
"Strategies" are ridiculous. There is only house edge, we all know the house edges. Playing any other bet than the bet with the lowest house edge only increases the house edge. Craps is entertainment and in the end you pay for that entertainment, just like buying a movie ticket.
@@wesmcclaskie3442 No. Not at all. Put your DP bet down. Then the lay 10 to protect the CO only. Put the appropriate yo bet too. Now, you can't lose on the CO..UNLESS THE LAY BECOMES THE POINT.
@@joev.7909 I have found going through the DC is better. You do not have to go to a number you don’t like. For instance, if you put money on the DC and a 6 or 8 rolls you can tell the dealer “no action” and wait for another roll. I usually wait for a 4,5,9 or 10. Of course, there is the chance a 7 or 11 can be rolled. Just something I like to do. OR you can Dooey-Don’t on the DP and lay odds on the number rolled if you like it. I do that a lot, especially after the shooter hits a a point.
@@dalemoore7911 I like to play bubble craps it's MUCH FASTER but you CANNOT make doey/don't bets nor can you tell the machine "No Bet". But what you can do is place the 6 or 8 and then try again in the don't come.
"The four has hit three times in four rolls" so I'm going to adjust my play because of it. This shows a complete lack of understanding. "The four has hit three times in four rolls" so I'm going to adjust my play because of it MAY mean (to some fools) that "Because it hit so many times this a 'four table' and it's going to hit again. Heavy on the four!" OR "The four has hit three times in four rolls" so I'm going to adjust my play because of it MAY mean "the four has hit so many times there's just NO WAY it can hit again so I'm going to bet AGAINST it. $450 lay away!" Both are 100% nonsense. The four has a 8.33% chance of being rolled on the next roll if it has been rolled 97 times in a row or hasn't been rolled in three months. Wow. So he lay's the 4. 7 out. "see, I played it right!" OMG. A previous roll has 0.000000% impact on the next roll. Actually it's 0.00000000 chance.
Watch this video and imagine he just played $75 flat and $450 lay don't pass no matter the point. He would have doubled his bankroll in 10 min without this idiotic 6/8 stupidity. How about his "System?" Here's your "System." Just play the DP with 6X lay and win more than you lose.
8 years i havent lost with this system heres my tweaked DO DON'T system $15 min table DP $15 your starting bank is $300 point established 6 or 8 lay $6 and place point for $18 your total out is $39 bank is at $261 7 out you pick up all chips $15+ $6 + $15 + $5 = $41 bank is now $302 next point 5 or 9 $15 lay $12 place point for $15 total out is $42 7 out pick up all chips $15 +$12 + $15 + $8 = $50 bank was reduced to $260 now your at $310 and total time was 6 mins next point is 4 or 10 now lay $20 place point for 20 you out is $35 on DP + $20 placed = $55 bank was reduced to $255 7 out yippie picj up all chips $15 + $20 + $15 + $10 = $60 added back to bank now your at $315 of course you can lay more odds if it's a one way table like 8 shooters all 7 out except 1 player Tweak any player hit's you with natural 7 - 11 NO BETS after seen this happeen a million times 7 7 11 number 7 out you lost $45 and no way to recover it a perfect grinding method even if 4 players in a row hit you with a 7 out theres lots of 2's n 3's also after 5 hours or more in play it averages out
I hope your back is better or more tolerable. I'm 26 and my back pain yrs after my accident is nothing short of excruciating. So for you to do videos like this for us is great. We appreciate you.
Like the approach enough to give this a spin in my next session. Thanks for the video and the down to Earth description of options to play it.
I MUST say, I absolutely love your instructional video. Going to Vegas next month and will try your strategy at the crap's table. Cannot wait! Happy Sunday! :)
always a pleasure thanks Ken😊
Thanks Ken! I always enjoy your Videos and "Down to Earth" style. 😎😎😎
i only play don't. My heaviest lays are always against the 6 and 8. It's pays the most yet you are still favorite. Think about that? I many times also do an overlay when I'm at max lay. I played in AC last week at the trop. Playing $75 flat/$450 lay. Hit EIGHT 'point established then immediate 7's' in a row. EIGHT. Turned $2,000 in $12,000 in about 15 min. How about that for a system? The game is for fools and playing against the 7 makes you the King of Fools. Your crown is empty pockets. "We're waiting for a hot shooter" is what I always hear at the table. I laugh to myself as the 7 rolls. There's a reason the house wins on the 7 and it's because THEY ALWAYS WIN. Do all you can to NOT play against the 7 and beat them at their own game.
Lay both 6/8 at same time? Dayum. Those hit more than big red. Got stones. Great win!
Hitting the 2 and 3 protects you (and then some) from the 11. You should actually protect yourself from the hard 4 or 10. That way, only the 6-4 or 3-1 can hurt you. And you can take back the hard way too.
Hedged 7 makes the Dont Pass a 3/2 favorite vs Yo ...never hedge the Yo
I'm a noob at craps but quickly saw the benefit of playing the dark side. Yes, there are more ways to roll a 7 (6) than any other number, but STATISTICALLY, the 7 is only rolled 18% of the time, so once you get past the come-out roll, the advantage swings to the dark side player. It's all about the odds, which is how the casinos have thrived over the decades. FYI: The 6,7, and 8 combine for nearly 50% of all rolls. There is approximately a 3% difference in a number being rolled as you go up and down away from the 7. Knowlege is power.
Watch Waylon: you and he are 2 rare guys that understand dark and light side play. Good to see you encourage folks to play in ways they enjoy and that don't mathematically affect them negatively.
We never understand why the Don't player lays odds ??? You're starting out at 100% ROI and the more odds you lay the lower your ROI. We do believe in Hedge betting our Don't bets. From the Show: THE TOP TEN MYTHS IN CRAPS. Good Luck at the tables!!
Thanks I appreciate your video. Love to see it. That accent reminds me of Texas🌵
Hope your back gets better!
Have used this several times (especially on a cold or choppy table). The one variation I use is that you can leave that Lay 4 or 10 up for ONE ROLL AFTER the Point is established. That catches the PSO rollers without that much more risk and gives that $30 6/8 a bit more relief without having to place more odds on the DP and have all your hedge eggs in one basket.
You sure could for sure. Thanks.
Ken really does know gambling !!!! Happy Mother's Day , Ken !!!!
Thanks Ken
guy knows his stuff ...........miss his schtick
Great strategy I like it thanks brother
Hitting those craps number on the come out is "butter" for your roll!
I laughed so hard when you said that’s just the gravy ima start saying that at the casino haha
We have all spent a night at the craps table next to a guy like Ken... and it's been awesome! What a friendly seeming guy.
Wow. Thank you so much. 💓
"I don't give a shit!" - kenknowsgambling Gotta love it subbed...
excellent strategy. If the point is 6 or 8, I've had luck putting 10 on the Hardway 6 or 8. thanks Ken. Take care of that back, lol
Thanks Ken . I like to call the 2 or 3 win on the come out roll as gravy/ extra cheese . What else can we name them? LOL!
Q: Is it a good bet on the come out roll in the long run to hedge hopping $5 each ( 64 & 55)on the 10 too to get back the money if the point hits as 10 along with $5 yo?
I personally don't hop. It is a guaranteed loss if the 10 don't show. And it don't most of the time. If I lay the 10 and it gets hit, it gives me a shot at going up on the odds of the DP I understand the logic behind it though
The 2&3 pay off on the come out roll,is compensation for the seven, imo.
This is good, solid. I like it. I'm cursed on the DP, so I couldn't play it, but I would recommend it. 😁
Great 678 strategy brother! One of the best! You're right brother there is no Holy Grail strategy! They all will lose no doubt about it
Thanks brother. I'm trying to find time to watch more of your stuff. I really appreciate how your brain works.
about the best you can get for a hybrid system, maybe 20 hard ten to cover one more combination
Hey Ken I watched one of your older videos that I really like. You know how you lay the the 10 for $150. What do you think about splitting it in half and putting it on the four and 10, 75 each? Take take care all the best
You sure can. Not a problem in this world with that.
What does the$150 lay protect? I am confused.
Another great video
Any thoughts pro or negative on Oscar’s grind? Thanks
Have not seen it.
Nice!!! Where do I get a dice table?
I'd personally replace the 150 lay on the 10 with a 15 dollar 7 and forgo the 5 dollar yo. That gives you enough action for 10 shooters where the 150 dollar 10 can go fast if people end up shooting the outside on the comeout. It gives the same amount of coverage and the Yo isn't as likely to happen so you might even have a slower bleed on the hedge comparatively. Very cool system though! I'd love to try this one out! :D Hope your back is better
Always different ways to skin the cat. Thanks
Ken , I hope you are enjoying your day !!!!
I got two questions for you :
( 1 ) What's your opinion of "side bets" in black jack : for example betting on getting a "6" , "7" , "8" , pays 30 to one !!!! Side bets are determined by your two cards and the dealers "up" card !!!! Side bets pay if your two cards and the dealers "up" card total "19" , "20" , "21" , etc. !!!!
( 2 ) What's your opinion on tipping the dealer in black jack by placing a "two way" bet for the dealer !!!! I "like" tipping this way because if I win the dealer gets my money and the casinos money !!!!
I just don't like side bets in general. Carnival sucker bets. Betting the dealer tip is what I do too. For what that's worth.
@@Kenknowsgambling : about the betting the dealer for a tip thing ; it's money the casino can't recoup , that's what makes it more fun !!!!
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Is this the real life Mr. Mackey from South Park.
😂😂😂😂😂😂. Great video. I can’t stop laughing. Thank you.
Never watched much south park. Guess I'll have to go check out this Mr. Mackey.
Ken if you lay the back wall, 200, 40 on the horns, 30 inside, you lose your first hit when a point is established, but you can make them look like place and buy bets, you protected. If the 7 gets hit you lose the don't but make some money, what 50 bucks. a lot of shooters are looking to hit the 7. Is the wall to much of a drain to work?
To me the back wall is a guaranteed loss. Don't get me wrong, if you like it, do it. To me, the way I showed it, is simple and powerful. Plus no guaranteed loss other than the Yo if not hit.
I like this strategy! I would just wouldn't put the odds on the lay with my own money. I would use the winning from the 6 or 8 to keep pressing the Lay (DP) bet. $30 on the Odds and $5 in my rack. I would do this til I hit the max. WHen I hit the max, then I would do a DP Don't come then start over with another number, til the magical 7 comes out.
Well done Ken. Sure, pure Math goes against the bleed... but craps is as much psychological as knowing the math. And there's nothing more damaging to a Dark Side player than 4 or 5 7/11's rolled consecutively (it happens A LOT!) to end the night! Not having that fear is WAY more valuable than the long-term fractions that the Math speaks to .
Thanks. I'm glad folks are getting it.
what does laying the 10 on the come out roll accomplish? Nevermind, I see it's working and is insurance for the 7.
Look at the Law of Large Averages. Longer you play, more the math of the game plays out to the mathematical or statistical "averages". Key play is to find strategies that pay. For example, DP for $75 is gonna get hit by come out 7 twice in the 'typical' 12 shooters/hour (once every 6 shooters). The Lay 10 for $150 is gonna get hit one in every 12 times, the EXACT same $150 loss. So, using the Lay 10, BY ITSEL:F changes nothing, the $150 loss =$150 loss. BUT, playing the Lay 10, or Lay 4 Will allow another strategy that takes your 2 come-out 7's per hour loss ($150) and reduces it by $120 to only $30. See my comment above on how to do this.
Ken -- watched again and enjoyed -- How do I get a hat like the one your are wearing in this video
Email me your address and I'll get one to you. How's that?
You would've lost that 10 lay if it rolled.. Not put it back in your rack?
Regarding the VIG on the Lay 10. Pulling it down after the come out, won't cost you anything? Only if a 10 hits on the come out roll and you win. Then they take the VIG?
Correct
@@Kenknowsgambling thank you for the quick response! ...I just realized the the VIG would be only ~3 dollars on the win of $75 on a $150 Lay. This is better than doing the $15 on Seven on the Come Out as some of the comments have suggested as an alternative.
I wonder if we can add $25 field bet as well. What do you think?
Lots of things can be done with a DP/68. Very versatile to accommodate different plays. Just remember that nothing will take the place of money management and discipline
Thanks.
Best is to bet don’t pass and lay max odds. You can’t protect any bet with another bet. If the Don’t bet loses, it loses no matter what other bet you make.
One of my favorite. DP W/ODDS ONLY.
Thanks.
Lay 4 OR 10 for $100 hardway $12 and hop EZ $6. Place 5,6,8,9 $5/6 hardway 4 or 10 $1 and DP $7. If point is 4/10 max DP odds [hybrid few rolls] if U like. Works great for bubble craps, adjust levels for $10-$15 tables.
Lots of movement.
You started off losing the $150 on the no 10. Holy shit. You actually put it back in your rack.
The best strategies put money on don't pass line 6 out of 10 times going to going to crap out
Let me clarify - place the point so that your $75 don't is almost fully protected yet you make a nice win if the seven comes.
i like the don't line but not on a 6 point or 8 point
5:49 wait... If you're laying 10 and working it and you establish 10 as the point, you're losing that lay bet, not taking it down. Unless it's not working on the come out, in which case, what's the point of laying 10 on the come out?
Paul, you lay the 10 on the come out to protect the DP. Ok, simple. If the 10 become the point, you do lose the lay...but...you now have a great # to lay odds on.
Once the point has been established, you take the lay down because the 7 is now your buddy.
I guess I may be missing your point. Can you clarify please.
You covered it normally, just didn't say it came down on the first example, but in regular mechanics, obviously we take that risk of the outside number hitting on the come out, in which, we regain odds by placing maxed odds or timing more lays
If the point is 4, can you place the 4 for the same amount as the Dont? That way, if the 7 rolls, you break even. But if the 4 rolls, it’s a small profit.
You can but you kill the power of the 7
@@Kenknowsgambling Ok thanks
I like this strategy,just not crazy about laying odds with the Don't Pass game.I like getting paid even money or more 😀 I'm trying to figure out a way to play this without laying the No 4 or 10 or finding a way to protect it on the come out with some other hedge?
Don't have to lay odds if you don't want to. The lay 4 or 10 just makes more sense to ME. Plus, just like the video, if the lay 10 or 4 gets hit, you can Amp up the odds and get it back. The 4 and 10 are the best DP points to have.
All that said, you find your lane that you can be happy with. Much thanks.
When you figure out that other hedge please let us know.
Yes I would like to brainstorm that also.
@@KenknowsgamblingYes Ken but if it was that easy EVERYONE would just play that strategy ONLY. Some people DON'T like to gamble and if they do they want the consequences of their gamble to be as HARMLESS as possible.
You can lay them BOTH for $75. If either one hits and is your point, you can wait for a 7 to break even or take odds for the profit you want. If you are going to be placing any of the inside numbers, obviously you want to use odds to cover those.
If you want to have the best chance to beat the house then play like the house. The house doesn't hedge its bets against the players, so doing so only plays into their hands. Play the dont straight up with odds and no hedge and all you are give up in the long run is half of the 12 on the come out. A push instead of a win.
Thanks
34:35 was a crazy pause moment ⚡ ⚡ ⚡ 🤣 . But let's make that 💰
So why lay a ten?
3:13 is when he actually starts. You're welcome
i'd take my two or three hits and bring them down. take off those odds and place the four or buy the four for $40 or $35, whatever. Then wait it out. you make $5 more on a four or $35 more on the seven. Make $75 to $105 per shooter and be happy.
I know that hopping is a one time but, hop the 7 for $15 and you can lose 10 times. Don't take that $150 hit. Hope you get your back straight, thanks for your time, always enjoy yours and Waylons vids
You can. I just don't like the guaranteed loss. If you roll 10 CO points, you lose 150. If I avoid the lay getting hit 10 times, I've lost nothing. I see what your saying though. Thanks.
Yes,That's the way I was leaning also,Hop the sevens for $5 each & $5 on the Yo ? I rather bleed a little than get gashed in the gut a once! 😀
Or just don't hedge and take the chance,but if I had more than $75 on the Don't,I would definitely hedge with hopping the sevens!
Yes but if you get whacked by the 10 twice it's a $300 hit. The point of spending the $15 on the hop has to be figured into getting that $15 back in your winnings for that particular round. If you can't win $15 back in your round then you should consider a better strategy. Right?
@@joev.7909 you hop a couple of your favorite signature #'s along the way for at least $5 bucks for the nice Kicker when it hits😉
How do you handle those dealers whom are lazy to take down the lay bet after the come out roll. I played in a casino and they acted like they did not hear anything and dice was sent to the roller 😢LOL!
Be firm, loud. If that don't work get the pitt boss. If that don't work...leave. They don't deserve you.
Thanks Ken! For sharing your knowledge.May God bless you with good health
How about placing a DC bet with the $60 you placed on odds… Wouldn’t you get even money?
You can do anything you want. Generally, If I play the DC, I'm doing it as a main play. If I play the DP with Odds, that is my main play. However, if I want to play a DP and DC as a main play then I won't put odds on the DP. I will just use the DP as a hedge for the DC.
That all being said, if you like playing that way....do it.
What if the 10 hits on come out, like the strategy
One bad and one good thing.
If you have a 75 DP and protect with the no 10 and the 10 hits.
1. Bad. Lose 150
2. The 10 is now the point that Good.
So, max your odds on the DP.
75, max odds is 450 or at least 300 for a 150 win which gets the lay 10 loss back plus a 75 DP win.
That's what I do.
when im waiting for the dice i will do a 60 dont. wait for a point .lets say its a 4. I will place the 4 for 30 and place 30 on the 6or8 no odds If the 8 hits i take 30 from that win and put it on the 4 to make it look like 60 and sit back and let the table so what it do. It a great time killer until you get the dice hopefully I can get a run on the 8 make my 60 back even if the 4 hits i still make a few bucks.
Not a thing wrong with that. Thanks
Your Strategy is 6,7,8 ... make sure you place the lay bet and odds bet correctly to accommodate the strategy ...
I like to protect the don't if it is more than $25. Nice basic strategy.
Yea. On 10 or 15, I won't either..
What do you protect your $25 DC with?
@@joev.7909 If I'm playing just a DC I will play laying the 4 or 10 just like a DP. Or..depending on the amount of bet, No lay protection at all.
Why lay the 10 on come out?
It protects your DP with a number that can only be hit 3 ways out of 36 possible outcomes. Plus, if the 10 gets hit, it gives you the best number to put odds on.
Isn't a 7 more likely to happen then an 11? Why hedge against 11 not 7? The comeout roll is the most risky for don't players due to 7. I'd wait to place bet on 10 until point placed. Odds on 6/8 are risky. I do it but only x1
As I said in the video, do what you want. No right, no wrong. Just what makes sense to you. How you see me play is how I like it. As long as you get the concept, all is good. Thanks.
The math says the 11 hits about every 18 rolls--which on a 'typical' table with 12 shooters/hour is every 1 1/2 hours or twice every 3 hours. The math does NOT work to put $5 x 12 shooters/hour =$60, and then $60/hr x 3 hours for $180 minus ($75 x 2-loss you're "preventing") $150 = LARGER Net Loss of $30, or a loss of $10/hour EVEY hour you play. Law of Large Numbers will get you this outcome over time. Maybe not this 3 hours, but over the next 30 or 60 or 90 hours. BUT there' a strategy you CAN use which pays $120/hour, EVERY hour. read my comment above.
Ken, in the comments people are not disagreeing with you. They just think they see an angle, you have not thought of. Many times, you do refute these suggestions with your perspective, which most of the time is quite valid! Best of luck, with your back.
Hey ken if you don’t mind. For blackjack and baccarat how do you determine what your betting unit size should be based on your session bankroll. Thanks
20 times your base bet is a good mark.
If the point is a 10 u lose the $150 lay. How do u recover that $150? RogerT
Ok, place a large odds bet on the DP n squeeze your butt cheeks.
Hi Roger. First, you just keep banging away with the strategy and you should overcome the loss fairly quickly.
2nd, if the point is a 10 and knocks the lay, you now have a DP on the best number. You can now max odds on the DP. It happen in the video twice and still came out.
Remember, you have a loss limit to protect you from a catastrophic session.
So....keep banging it if the lay goes down. It will happen from time to time.
I watched the video again to be sure I got it. Hope u got your back adjusted. Thanks
"Strategies" are ridiculous. There is only house edge, we all know the house edges. Playing any other bet than the bet with the lowest house edge only increases the house edge. Craps is entertainment and in the end you pay for that entertainment, just like buying a movie ticket.
What happens on a come out 7
You wash. 150 on the lay 10 pays 75. You lose 75 on DP. Wash.
So you're always working
@@wesmcclaskie3442 No. Not at all. Put your DP bet down. Then the lay 10 to protect the CO only. Put the appropriate yo bet too. Now, you can't lose on the CO..UNLESS THE LAY BECOMES THE POINT.
After point, take lay 10 down. You now have the 7 as your friend.
@@Kenknowsgambling okay thanks very much
I have done this many times. It works about 50% of the time. Hitting points will kill you! Multiple points will wipe you out!
Everything wins and Everything loses. No Holy Grail.
@@Kenknowsgambling truth!
Dale what do you suggest instead? Please tell us.
@@joev.7909 I have found going through the DC is better. You do not have to go to a number you don’t like. For instance, if you put money on the DC and a 6 or 8 rolls you can tell the dealer “no action” and wait for another roll. I usually wait for a 4,5,9 or 10. Of course, there is the chance a 7 or 11 can be rolled. Just something I like to do. OR you can Dooey-Don’t on the DP and lay odds on the number rolled if you like it. I do that a lot, especially after the shooter hits a a point.
@@dalemoore7911 I like to play bubble craps it's MUCH FASTER but you CANNOT make doey/don't bets nor can you tell the machine "No Bet". But what you can do is place the 6 or 8 and then try again in the don't come.
"The four has hit three times in four rolls" so I'm going to adjust my play because of it. This shows a complete lack of understanding. "The four has hit three times in four rolls" so I'm going to adjust my play because of it MAY mean (to some fools) that "Because it hit so many times this a 'four table' and it's going to hit again. Heavy on the four!" OR "The four has hit three times in four rolls" so I'm going to adjust my play because of it MAY mean "the four has hit so many times there's just NO WAY it can hit again so I'm going to bet AGAINST it. $450 lay away!" Both are 100% nonsense. The four has a 8.33% chance of being rolled on the next roll if it has been rolled 97 times in a row or hasn't been rolled in three months. Wow. So he lay's the 4. 7 out. "see, I played it right!" OMG. A previous roll has 0.000000% impact on the next roll. Actually it's 0.00000000 chance.
I believe you left out a few zeroes .Otherwise agree with you 100 % .But just like Trumpers , truth matters not to those who play systems .
Instead of a $30 6-8, why not do $54 across then take it down when it hits. That way you don’t have to wait just a 6 or 8???
You sure can. I have no problem with that.
Ken is going by Math as 6 or 8 have the highest odds of winning in the place bets. A difference between a gambler and mathematician LOL!
Too much talk not enough action. Interesting idea but we don't need the saying "you decide, it's up to you" over and over.
The point, and a good one, is how versatile it is. People need to hear it....over...and ......over. Choices as the ACTION unfolds at the table.
Agree. Too much extraneous talk, especially at the beginning.
This isn't a strategy at all. He doesn't actually seem to understand the math of the game, or the concept of hedging.
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Watch this video and imagine he just played $75 flat and $450 lay don't pass no matter the point. He would have doubled his bankroll in 10 min without this idiotic 6/8 stupidity. How about his "System?" Here's your "System." Just play the DP with 6X lay and win more than you lose.
And the next video it gets blasted. All, All, All will win at times and get beat to death other times. ALL WAYS
You talk to much! Stay on the topic!
8 years i havent lost with this system heres my tweaked DO DON'T system $15 min table DP $15 your starting bank is $300 point established 6 or 8
lay $6 and place point for $18 your total out is $39 bank is at $261 7 out you pick up all chips $15+ $6 + $15 + $5 = $41 bank is now $302 next point 5 or 9 $15 lay $12 place point for $15 total out is $42 7 out pick up all chips $15 +$12 + $15 + $8 = $50 bank was reduced to $260 now your at $310 and total time was 6 mins next point is 4 or 10 now lay $20 place point for 20 you out is
$35 on DP + $20 placed = $55 bank was reduced to $255 7 out yippie picj up all chips $15 + $20 + $15 + $10 = $60 added back to bank now your at $315 of course you can lay more odds if it's a one way table like 8 shooters all 7 out except 1 player
Tweak any player hit's you with natural 7 - 11 NO BETS after seen this happeen a million times 7 7 11 number 7 out you lost $45 and no way to recover it a perfect grinding method even if 4 players in a row hit you with a 7 out theres lots of 2's n 3's also
after 5 hours or more in play it averages out