I just messed around with ChatGPT during the patch notes portion of this podcast, and you can use it to pull all the changes for a particular champion over the course of a requested patch set. You can then have it combine all the changes into a single form patch note showing the grand totals of nerfs or buffs over that set of time.
That is awesome, I wonder if you can collab with LS to integrate it into his drafting site * Reposted due to stupid YT Auto-Modding links they auto-insert -__- *
These two have great conversations. Max is a gem. He admits when he is close minded and doesn’t just accept another’s view, he uses their perspective to expand his own and keep thinking.
he wanted to, seems like riot doesn't want people to do that otherwise we would've seen it in the past year with the stuff caedrel and other folks talk about.
but who would win draft if both players think their draft is better than the other? who would be the judge, and what kind of knowledge and criteria would the judge have?
@@matiasalejandromab Oh i meant like a leauge tournament that uses the rotating avaiablitly draft stuff he was talking about in the video, where every week the organizers say "these are the 30 champs you can play" and then teams have to adapt
I now understand why LS and Max get along so well. Both of these guys actually try to test elements of the patches to see the overall affects on the game.
I remember watching LS and Max on stream 6/7/8 years ago when Max first came to Korea and now to see them together like this knowing they've both accomplished so much makes me extremely happy ♥️
Having played a lot of Yorick before and played/seen a bit since the Yorick E nerfs to ghouls’ damage alongside the Tabis(steel caps) buff to effect ghouls dmg, I can say that has to be THE single BIGGEST change I’ve noticed that actually felt truly tangible/impactful given the amount of lost kills/enemies escaped on super low hp now. 1:27:57
@@ACE112ACE112 It would be really boring cause most of the changes are not for for pro play. The changes that are for pro play can be explained by phreak easily. LS would say, "these changes don't actually change anything about this champ at the pro level" and phreak would reply, "it does. Perception is reality. If the lee sin q buff is perceived as a big change in pro play, then it is a big change in pro play."
I think I have a way of describing what makes champions good. If you remember the last fight scene of Avatar The Last Airbender I think it serves as a great visualization of the fight between two league teams. Specifically, when Aang takes Ozai's bending away, the show portrays a greater battle between the blue spirit of Aang versus the red spirit of Ozai. It can be summed up as an unstoppable force meeting an immovable object. When two league teams clash they try to poke holes into each other like the lights in the avatar scene. These holes are unique in shape depending on the champion and the state of the game. Or in avatar terms the person's abilities to pilot the specific champions, (elements), and the relationship they have with the environment around them. What makes league unique is the economy and fog of war. These two constraints along with the performance aspect of the player baked into the gameplay is what makes every league game special and unique.
12:16 Kindred kinda fits this category imo, because having your ult or not changes how you can play, an effective "get out of jail" card like their ult being up grants you more aggressive options, which is very important for both a carry and a jungle. Its similar to Eve that LS mentioned, having it up enough to gank with it all the time would be massive.
No. Kindred's ult is reactive. You just don't walk into situations where you could die when it's down. They're referring to things like Malphite ult where it's so ridiculously powerful you want to use it off cooldown.
Thanks for this patch notes rundown. It was very enlightening once we all came to understand the nuances of how we view League. Gave me a lot to think about in regards to my considerations of striving towards attaining a gaming-centric career. Hopefully we can all move past the ehhh rougher patches and come together so that the creators and players can all come to prosper as we contend with our personal struggles. I believe in you guys. The mature and compassionate voices in the pro gaming community have been a fountain of inspiration for so many of us. Witnessing someone, regardless whichever mountain of challenges lie before them, keep picking both they and their friends back up and continue climbing never fails to leave me awestruck. It takes a lot of courage and inner strength to do so. Given time, given good influences, given the grace to look past our explosive, but regretable paranoia ults, and our brutally honest (autism) critiques, then more of League's pro community will one day be able and willing to help bear the burden of carrying Riot on your backs. Stay safe.
This is not something that is being played correctly yet but ziggs ability to demolish towers is a game violation. He might be a few placebo buffs away from being a meta
Some advice: if you are gonna talk about something the other person might not have seen or are going to reference something they have seen and can not remember, have it already pulled up so you can show the audience so they have an easier time following along
The reason why they don’t have it already pulled up because they don’t have a set plan, they just have ideas and expand upon them. They had generic ideas and went loose on many different tangents.
@@EKKO_godz With in the first 5 minutes LS asked if he saw the cookie tweets or w/e and max saw them but couldnt remember. Its the first thing they talked about, he can pull it up before hand.
I think LS forgets that TCGs have different sets that release in a longer time apart than 1 week. just having auto bans doesn't really do anything beside create chaos in proplay if you don't let the meta develop. Also TCGs usually have the same competitive decks running around until a new set most of the time.
@LS would love to see an analysis from you guys on the state of where league is at right now in all aspects compared to DOTA2 . What makes them more successful or not than the other , pros and cons, etc etc
@@jimmyd5716 he could be adolf fucking hitler for all i care, i am just pointing out that there are response videos made by him addressing all of the allegations
IDK if I missed something but is there a reason that the audios cuts at 1:45:00? I don't track twitter so if something happened can someone let me know. I don't see it in the comments.
Great podcast! Love the brainstorming on how to improve LoL! I'm curious as to your thoughts on how to improve the average viewer/player age part. I'm a teacher who used to have a high school eSports LoL team five years ago. Since then it has dissolved due to lack of interest in LoL. Every once in a while I'll ask who has heard of and who plays league in my classes and I'd say around 90% of kids have heard of it and maybe 5 out of my 200 students this year has tried it. Only one plays actively. I always thought Riot should create a "noob que" based on your level that only allows certain champions. So at level one, you only have access to 20 easier champions and 4 summoner spells, turret ranges are on, maybe damages are reduced from neutrals, to make it easier to play. Less champion abilities to learn/keep track of, etc. Then as you get higher level the players unlock new champions to learn about. That way there is also no "who the heck is that and how did he 100-0 me, this game is dumb." Also out with paying to unlock every champion. Also I am surprised to hear pro players think so little about patch notes. I always thought of many of them as super minor and it would take multiple in a row to matter like you both do, and I'm a noob. Weird to think people with 6-digit salaries can't calculate 10% bonus ad on lee q does basically nothing😂
I had a question about player brands: I would argue that we used to have that in the early days (Sneaky, Aphromoo, Doublelift, Imaqtpie, Faker, etc), which resemble what you were talking about player brands (streamers, influencers, bargaining power, etc.). However, do you think that is how we arrived at the problem of massive player salaries (SwordArt, Huni, etc.) that have created the problem of declining interest we have today? So it's almost like a double edged sword, like how do we give players power but also keep them passionate about the game?
I completely agree with LS' point to ignore pro players feelings about restricting the champion pool. Their job is to play a video game at a high level for the ultimate end goal of entertaining an audience and they get paid mega bucks for sitting in front of a PC doing something normal people do for fun. They can endure the torture of playing some different characters.
I think there is (understandably) a lot of confusion over why otherwise elite pro players may "fall for" placebo buffs, but I think the answer lies in this problem of neglecting the patch history over a certain period of time. For example, if you are a player who sees Renekton get a +5 AD buff and 2 days later he's "suddenly" giga broken and ubiquitous in pro play, you might be falsely led to believe that minor changes like that are significant in a vacuum. Then, over time, your judgement of what makes a good champ change can get skewed. The only antidote is to think about patch changes holistically over a wider time horizon, as well as asking yourself important questions about If and How champ changes matter, like LS and Max are suggesting
but what i dont understand, i remember ls talking with the riot people on how to make pro players pick more champions, and ls suggested to do more plausibo buffs? or am i remembering it wrong. i think he said that they should give small buffs to remind pro players that other champions exist. again i havnt double checked, so could be wrong
This idea of a "single payer game" like karthus was in season 8 is exactly what thebausffs playstyle is about: Abusing the ability of his champion to clear waves and camps extremely fast and the impossibility of being stopped even if he dies because of the passive, and if you try to stop it, you usually die because of the insanely high base damage of it. And back a year or so ago, you couldn't stop him from taking turrets either, he would take it anyway and generate so much gold so quickly he would either be extremely oppressive because of his damage (lethality build) or tankiness (tank).
As someone who studies brain development I have an excellent answer to the 2:27:00 mark discussion about LS's brother. The attention span of the average viewer has decreased by a lot in recent years. Also ADHD symptom is on the rise among children. Over 14% of young boys and 12% of young girls are diagnosed with it, and there are many more undiagnosed ones. ADHD makes it extremely difficult to retain attention across a 30-40 minute game which is going to be a likely duration in low elo. This is also why nowadays streaming services and series dominate the market. Because think about it? When was the last time you had time to sit down and watch a 2 hour movie in one sitting? This is also why mobile games are on the rise, especially gatcha games. They allow for excellent dopamine control of the viewer, always something to do, the next rush is just around the corner... Essentially games have become like casinos, they using gambling methodology and cognitive exploits in order to keep the attention captivated in short, but constant bursts and foster addiction. Think of Raid Shadow Legends, AFK Arena, Summoner's War, etc... And then when they get tired of it, it's just about hopping onto the next train which is essentially "same, same, but different" meme. Hope this clarifies things a bit.
This is really intresting as a 15 year old who recently got into league of legends and is diagnosed with adhd i guess im an outlier. But i feel like league captures my attention in a way no other game has. Ive gotten to high ranks in Cs, Valorant, Siege but after a while i ended up quitting them. But with league there is so much to learn that i can never stop playing it. When i first started 8 months ago i mained jungle and got to diamond 5 months after first starting to play through only jungle and now after taking a short break due to exams im role switching to mid to learn lane fundamentals to help me climb higher. All this is just to say that when i play anything other then league i get really bored really fast due to it not being constant action like i feel league is. In league there is always something to think about something to strive for something to do. There is never a preparing for round phase in league everything matters 1 mistake might cost you a won game and thats why i love it so much. I feel like the only hard part about league is getting into it afterwards its way more rewarding then any other game especially for people with adhd since its atleast for me a constant hit of dopamine and so much to learn. I do belive im an outlier since the friends that introduced me to league have since all quit for valorant due to league being to boring for them. Sorry for ranting thank you for sharing this information.
@@unreale2695 I also have ADHD so I know totally what you mean and it was the same for me when I was younger, but now I'm 28, and now that my brain is older this kind of attention span is almost impossible to me, for example most of the times I cannot see the CS or what were all the abilities used in a TF, that's why I play only Aram now, and I used to be Diamond 1 in season 3-4. My brain just cannot keep up. Now of course this also depends on the severity of your ADHD and many other factors, but for now enjoy the game and have fun :)
You mentioned Japan's league scene; I think you'll get a glimpse to why when you see the mascot character riotJP used in their early tv commercials riotJP's doing better now, dropping that hideous mascot and including more streamers, but tbh I think Evi has so much more impact than what anything riotJP does XD
I wish my community, Pokemon, came down as hard on abusers and pedos as the LoL community did with Cookie. Everyone else has skeletons so its a mexican standoff where no one wants to out abuse since they are hiding something too. LoL gets flak for being toxic, but will still come together to do the right thing
Mr LS, I might be wrong (probably) as im only a lowly diamond player - on champions that break and violate the game. While not pro-play viable, Tank hybrid shyvana with iceborne, demonic into full tank absolutely violates the game. Almost one-shots anything thats not tank, almost unkillable with drakes. Nobody talks about it and I am sitting at 80 games, over 70% winrate.
Regarding Hashinshin, he did actually talk about his own drama several times when it happened to him, there's like at least 5 videos on his channel directly related to the stuff. But the thing is, authorities actually got involved, he was investigated by the FBI and cleared, meaning that whatever he was actually doing regardless of what has been said, he couldn't be punished by law for it. The man's career took a huge blow for reasons that have never even been proven right and he's supposed to apologize for it? I'm not about to say that he's absolutely clean as a person there's a reason that drama emerged in the first place, but he was largely wrongly accused and judged by the wide audience, the same way Cookie will be if by some miracle he's actually innocent, which I doubt.
There’s actually no proof that the FBI investigated him it’s all just his word so it’s most likely he’s lying and also there’s clear proof that he sent gross messages to a minor
@@TWISTEDGiraff3 I mean just look at his latest video about the drama with his gf, he literally shows him interacting with the fbi with both emails and paper. You can still think down on him about the messages sure, but don't pretend that he is making up the fbi story.
@@TWISTEDGiraff3 The argument you're making has very little value. Yeah sure, maybe he's lying, but "proof" he did put forth, the same way his detractors put forth theirs, so I could very well use your logic against you and say that his detractors faked their evidence because they wanted to harm Hashinshin's reputation and he's only defending himself. To be clear, you're right that there is a possibility Hash is lying, but the same is applicable to the other side and as outsiders, we have no way of knowing for sure so arguing either way is a moot point. The only thing we can realistically do is judge the evidence, and as far as I know, Hash's appeal to authority through the form of the FBI investigating him and clearing him was never contested. Heck the whole thing died down shortly after as far as I know.
Love watchig this but Max needs to point his mic at his mouth because the volume difference between the two is wide af. But overall great content I'm enjoying it!!
Are there actually enough good players to support an ecosystem where they have to learn new picks every week? If there are, then teams can and should force them to learn the picks, but if there aren't, then the quality of the games is just much lower and that probably tanks viewership. I want to see draft diversity, but I think it must come from the teams playing diverse champions within the framework of the game, not changing the framework of the game. I would support a new tournament where there was a restricted list, though, I just don't want that to be the main pro play.
Hashinshin had multiple response videos about the allegations, but I don't recall any formal apology (been a while so memory might be shit.) He has however talked about it extensively so not exactly comparable to how Cookie has played out. Not defending anyone btw just an fyi
As someone who got into leaue in early 2019, the only reason i continued to play is because of friends i had who played the game previously as well as friends wanting to get into it. If you dont have people to experience the shitfest that is low elo league I dont see you ever sticking around
Can you come out with some hoodies that are soft on the inside for your merch please!!! Maybe do a pink one.... I'm so sad your merch is sold out atm!!! love you hope you are well and happy fellow league player
"What is the point of all these buffs ?" I truly think patch notes for the vast majority of it's content is not made to balance the game but as on going content for a certain type of players. People will read patch notes and see "X champion buffed/nerfed" and get interested in changing who they play for no reason. But that's like a super cheap way to give a reason to play or in a way "content" to players. Even pro players / the best people to play the game make the mistake of thinking some stuff matter when it doesn't. It gives content creators like you guys and so many others a way to make content wich in turns keep people interested. I feel like it's truly a very cost effective thing for riot and kind of a tradition that they keep to update every 2 weeks even tho it's not necessary or practical anymore.
I think also a good amount of the changes are meant for non-pro players. Like when they mention the hexcore cost adjustment for viktor not mattering because good players already would recall at the correct times with the correct amount of gold. Yes that is true and for those tiers of players the change probably didnt matter, but the 100 gold reduction would still matter for a lower skill player who might not be doing the perfect csing. So perhaps this change was meant more towards those players and not the competitive level players. Context for those things is important too
Only allowing certain champions is terrible, it should be the opposite, remove bans, allow mirror matchups, only then will the best league of legends be played because one tricks can always play. Players don't know how to play their champs because mastery isn't worth it if you can be banned out. Same with unique innovative strategies, not worth it. With no bans and mirror, teams can spend 1000s of hours mastering one specific comp, you would seem way more diversity in pro teams strategies Bans and limiting the champ pool on a rotation makes people only learn monotone champions, unique ones are not worth the time, you have to pick a pool of champions that are all similar. This would make the gameplay less innovative, and champ pools less diverse, not more. Artificially choosing what people play is a losing game a band aid to try to cover up problems with the game
Really good and interesting content, but god damn max's mic problems made some parts extremely unenjoyable to listen to after a while and it got a bit frustrating in the end
Maybe I'm dumb, but I don't think Riot's intention is to change "why" you pick a champion or the decisions you make during a game with most changes. Their goal is to manage win rates among diamond and below players. If they make big changes on these small patches it's probably bad for most players. The game is hard enough for the 98% below diamond. And diamond players and most pros suck too according to your previous videos. So, why expect the patches to do something they don't. A separate video, saying what Riot's goals should be makes sense. But this seems like you're analyzing through a perspective Riot isn't using.
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I just messed around with ChatGPT during the patch notes portion of this podcast, and you can use it to pull all the changes for a particular champion over the course of a requested patch set. You can then have it combine all the changes into a single form patch note showing the grand totals of nerfs or buffs over that set of time.
ChadGPT moment
That is awesome, I wonder if you can collab with LS to integrate it into his drafting site
* Reposted due to stupid YT Auto-Modding links they auto-insert -__- *
doesnt chatGPT only have information from pre 2020 cached
@@RocketLuffy64 Clueless
@@RocketLuffy64 rather than being condescending like @Oscar, I'll just tell you. GPT4 has updated data so it has access to new information now.
These two have great conversations. Max is a gem. He admits when he is close minded and doesn’t just accept another’s view, he uses their perspective to expand his own and keep thinking.
gosh I love these theoretical talks about gametheory
also Max's voice is a nice contrast to LS's so the video is nice to listen to
i just wish the volume difference wasnt so high
@@brad6213 yeee, that's a little bit of a bummer
@@brad6213 Max just doesn't understand how mics work, he's speaking into an empty space instead of into the mic.
LS should start a draft tournament series, itd let him implement his ideas and help maintain the comp scene
Awesome idea
he wanted to, seems like riot doesn't want people to do that otherwise we would've seen it in the past year with the stuff caedrel and other folks talk about.
I could listen to this type of conversation ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL DAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
but who would win draft if both players think their draft is better than the other? who would be the judge, and what kind of knowledge and criteria would the judge have?
@@matiasalejandromab Oh i meant like a leauge tournament that uses the rotating avaiablitly draft stuff he was talking about in the video, where every week the organizers say "these are the 30 champs you can play" and then teams have to adapt
I really like the mtg analogy, makes understanding champs in different ways a lot easier
LS & Wax Maldo is the greatest duo to exist. I hope this podcast becomes a regular!
Would be great if this had the youtube chapters thing
chapters are just timestamps right?
@@ACE112ACE112yes
i'll paypal 5 dollars to whoever does them
@@tenki_ id split that with you
@@aniswara480 i'll say 10 next time, mfs just donowalled me
I now understand why LS and Max get along so well. Both of these guys actually try to test elements of the patches to see the overall affects on the game.
Blessed by another 3-hour podcast. Love it.
I remember watching LS and Max on stream 6/7/8 years ago when Max first came to Korea and now to see them together like this knowing they've both accomplished so much makes me extremely happy ♥️
Having played a lot of Yorick before and played/seen a bit since the Yorick E nerfs to ghouls’ damage alongside the Tabis(steel caps) buff to effect ghouls dmg, I can say that has to be THE single BIGGEST change I’ve noticed that actually felt truly tangible/impactful given the amount of lost kills/enemies escaped on super low hp now. 1:27:57
You guys or LS specifically should do a podcast with Phreak talking about all of this too
having them argue about the change being good/bad would be good content. phreak on balance team so he would know why the patch had certain changes.
@@ACE112ACE112 It would be really boring cause most of the changes are not for for pro play. The changes that are for pro play can be explained by phreak easily. LS would say, "these changes don't actually change anything about this champ at the pro level" and phreak would reply, "it does. Perception is reality. If the lee sin q buff is perceived as a big change in pro play, then it is a big change in pro play."
I think I have a way of describing what makes champions good.
If you remember the last fight scene of Avatar The Last Airbender I think it serves as a great visualization of the fight between two league teams. Specifically, when Aang takes Ozai's bending away, the show portrays a greater battle between the blue spirit of Aang versus the red spirit of Ozai. It can be summed up as an unstoppable force meeting an immovable object. When two league teams clash they try to poke holes into each other like the lights in the avatar scene. These holes are unique in shape depending on the champion and the state of the game. Or in avatar terms the person's abilities to pilot the specific champions, (elements), and the relationship they have with the environment around them. What makes league unique is the economy and fog of war. These two constraints along with the performance aspect of the player baked into the gameplay is what makes every league game special and unique.
12:16 Kindred kinda fits this category imo, because having your ult or not changes how you can play, an effective "get out of jail" card like their ult being up grants you more aggressive options, which is very important for both a carry and a jungle. Its similar to Eve that LS mentioned, having it up enough to gank with it all the time would be massive.
No. Kindred's ult is reactive. You just don't walk into situations where you could die when it's down. They're referring to things like Malphite ult where it's so ridiculously powerful you want to use it off cooldown.
Yorick, Yorick is a perfect example of a champion that uses R every time it’s up!
Teemo would fit that category aswell
@@tuukka7805 oh that’s smart, having multiple charges of an ulti is a neat factor
Thanks for this patch notes rundown. It was very enlightening once we all came to understand the nuances of how we view League. Gave me a lot to think about in regards to my considerations of striving towards attaining a gaming-centric career. Hopefully we can all move past the ehhh rougher patches and come together so that the creators and players can all come to prosper as we contend with our personal struggles. I believe in you guys.
The mature and compassionate voices in the pro gaming community have been a fountain of inspiration for so many of us. Witnessing someone, regardless whichever mountain of challenges lie before them, keep picking both they and their friends back up and continue climbing never fails to leave me awestruck. It takes a lot of courage and inner strength to do so. Given time, given good influences, given the grace to look past our explosive, but regretable paranoia ults, and our brutally honest (autism) critiques, then more of League's pro community will one day be able and willing to help bear the burden of carrying Riot on your backs. Stay safe.
That moment when 02:04:00 till 02:40:00 is just a reinvention of marxist capitalist critique 101
This is not something that is being played correctly yet but ziggs ability to demolish towers is a game violation. He might be a few placebo buffs away from being a meta
Ty for this!
Some advice: if you are gonna talk about something the other person might not have seen or are going to reference something they have seen and can not remember, have it already pulled up so you can show the audience so they have an easier time following along
Buddy, its almost like its an organic convo and they pull stuff up they are talking about the entire time.
The reason why they don’t have it already pulled up because they don’t have a set plan, they just have ideas and expand upon them. They had generic ideas and went loose on many different tangents.
@@EKKO_godz With in the first 5 minutes LS asked if he saw the cookie tweets or w/e and max saw them but couldnt remember. Its the first thing they talked about, he can pull it up before hand.
Best 3 hours of the week
Max Waldo is a very smart man and has a lot of game knowledge. Unfortunately he does not know how mics work.
LS and Max thanks for the best content and the best personas in the scene. ❤❤
I love how thorough the thoughts about the game and champions are. Not enough players really think about the game
I think LS forgets that TCGs have different sets that release in a longer time apart than 1 week. just having auto bans doesn't really do anything beside create chaos in proplay if you don't let the meta develop. Also TCGs usually have the same competitive decks running around until a new set most of the time.
@LS would love to see an analysis from you guys on the state of where league is at right now in all aspects compared to DOTA2 . What makes them more successful or not than the other , pros and cons, etc etc
Me too, especially with the release of 7.33 in dota.
Awesome. Do this more.
HASHINSHIN MADE MASSIVE HOUR LONG VIDEOS RESPONDING TO EVERYTHING, just putting this out there so that theres no misinformation
unbased degen defender :(
@@willmorris6260 hes a degen but there's no need to twist the facts
@@aaartem actually hes a groomer.
@@jimmyd5716 he could be adolf fucking hitler for all i care, i am just pointing out that there are response videos made by him addressing all of the allegations
@@aaartem Will Morris and people like him are NPCs, dont bother explaining things like fact accuracy to them.
1:02:00 fiddle doesn't buy Liandriys he buys protobelt.
IDK if I missed something but is there a reason that the audios cuts at 1:45:00? I don't track twitter so if something happened can someone let me know. I don't see it in the comments.
Legend has it, LS is still telling Max that his mic went quiet suddenly.
Great podcast! Love the brainstorming on how to improve LoL!
I'm curious as to your thoughts on how to improve the average viewer/player age part. I'm a teacher who used to have a high school eSports LoL team five years ago. Since then it has dissolved due to lack of interest in LoL. Every once in a while I'll ask who has heard of and who plays league in my classes and I'd say around 90% of kids have heard of it and maybe 5 out of my 200 students this year has tried it. Only one plays actively. I always thought Riot should create a "noob que" based on your level that only allows certain champions. So at level one, you only have access to 20 easier champions and 4 summoner spells, turret ranges are on, maybe damages are reduced from neutrals, to make it easier to play. Less champion abilities to learn/keep track of, etc. Then as you get higher level the players unlock new champions to learn about. That way there is also no "who the heck is that and how did he 100-0 me, this game is dumb." Also out with paying to unlock every champion.
Also I am surprised to hear pro players think so little about patch notes. I always thought of many of them as super minor and it would take multiple in a row to matter like you both do, and I'm a noob. Weird to think people with 6-digit salaries can't calculate 10% bonus ad on lee q does basically nothing😂
I had a question about player brands: I would argue that we used to have that in the early days (Sneaky, Aphromoo, Doublelift, Imaqtpie, Faker, etc), which resemble what you were talking about player brands (streamers, influencers, bargaining power, etc.). However, do you think that is how we arrived at the problem of massive player salaries (SwordArt, Huni, etc.) that have created the problem of declining interest we have today? So it's almost like a double edged sword, like how do we give players power but also keep them passionate about the game?
I completely agree with LS' point to ignore pro players feelings about restricting the champion pool. Their job is to play a video game at a high level for the ultimate end goal of entertaining an audience and they get paid mega bucks for sitting in front of a PC doing something normal people do for fun. They can endure the torture of playing some different characters.
I think there is (understandably) a lot of confusion over why otherwise elite pro players may "fall for" placebo buffs, but I think the answer lies in this problem of neglecting the patch history over a certain period of time. For example, if you are a player who sees Renekton get a +5 AD buff and 2 days later he's "suddenly" giga broken and ubiquitous in pro play, you might be falsely led to believe that minor changes like that are significant in a vacuum. Then, over time, your judgement of what makes a good champ change can get skewed. The only antidote is to think about patch changes holistically over a wider time horizon, as well as asking yourself important questions about If and How champ changes matter, like LS and Max are suggesting
Dude, are you shuffling actual MtG cards? :D I am interested in which format and what your deck looks like, I hope spicy haha^^
Is this available on any other platforms?
Hi love this!
I would watch 3 hours of you and Max just playing Magic drafts
1:46:20 there was a chunk of audio missing NOOOOOOO :'C
I just want to see wild stuff like urgot and Warwick in pro. Anything besides the same shit constantly.
note about catalyst change, futures market completely nullifies the change
The Baus is gonna make a griefing Kog Maw build to take advantage of that passive buff😉
I thought the same thing! 😂
but what i dont understand, i remember ls talking with the riot people on how to make pro players pick more champions, and ls suggested to do more plausibo buffs? or am i remembering it wrong. i think he said that they should give small buffs to remind pro players that other champions exist.
again i havnt double checked, so could be wrong
I hope pros, coaches , and others watch this
Gragas the obese assassin is hilarious for absolutely no reason
the problem w/ the durability patch is that it didn't go far enough and has been gradually undone
W content with wax maldo 😸
Sometimes i have no audio, 1:46:33
This idea of a "single payer game" like karthus was in season 8 is exactly what thebausffs playstyle is about:
Abusing the ability of his champion to clear waves and camps extremely fast and the impossibility of being stopped even if he dies because of the passive, and if you try to stop it, you usually die because of the insanely high base damage of it. And back a year or so ago, you couldn't stop him from taking turrets either, he would take it anyway and generate so much gold so quickly he would either be extremely oppressive because of his damage (lethality build) or tankiness (tank).
Two handsome gentlemen talking about league 10/10
As someone who studies brain development I have an excellent answer to the 2:27:00 mark discussion about LS's brother.
The attention span of the average viewer has decreased by a lot in recent years. Also ADHD symptom is on the rise among children. Over 14% of young boys and 12% of young girls are diagnosed with it, and there are many more undiagnosed ones.
ADHD makes it extremely difficult to retain attention across a 30-40 minute game which is going to be a likely duration in low elo.
This is also why nowadays streaming services and series dominate the market. Because think about it? When was the last time you had time to sit down and watch a 2 hour movie in one sitting?
This is also why mobile games are on the rise, especially gatcha games. They allow for excellent dopamine control of the viewer, always something to do, the next rush is just around the corner...
Essentially games have become like casinos, they using gambling methodology and cognitive exploits in order to keep the attention captivated in short, but constant bursts and foster addiction. Think of Raid Shadow Legends, AFK Arena, Summoner's War, etc...
And then when they get tired of it, it's just about hopping onto the next train which is essentially "same, same, but different" meme.
Hope this clarifies things a bit.
This is really intresting as a 15 year old who recently got into league of legends and is diagnosed with adhd i guess im an outlier. But i feel like league captures my attention in a way no other game has. Ive gotten to high ranks in Cs, Valorant, Siege but after a while i ended up quitting them. But with league there is so much to learn that i can never stop playing it. When i first started 8 months ago i mained jungle and got to diamond 5 months after first starting to play through only jungle and now after taking a short break due to exams im role switching to mid to learn lane fundamentals to help me climb higher. All this is just to say that when i play anything other then league i get really bored really fast due to it not being constant action like i feel league is. In league there is always something to think about something to strive for something to do. There is never a preparing for round phase in league everything matters 1 mistake might cost you a won game and thats why i love it so much. I feel like the only hard part about league is getting into it afterwards its way more rewarding then any other game especially for people with adhd since its atleast for me a constant hit of dopamine and so much to learn. I do belive im an outlier since the friends that introduced me to league have since all quit for valorant due to league being to boring for them. Sorry for ranting thank you for sharing this information.
@@unreale2695 I also have ADHD so I know totally what you mean and it was the same for me when I was younger, but now I'm 28, and now that my brain is older this kind of attention span is almost impossible to me, for example most of the times I cannot see the CS or what were all the abilities used in a TF, that's why I play only Aram now, and I used to be Diamond 1 in season 3-4. My brain just cannot keep up.
Now of course this also depends on the severity of your ADHD and many other factors, but for now enjoy the game and have fun :)
You mentioned Japan's league scene; I think you'll get a glimpse to why when you see the mascot character riotJP used in their early tv commercials
riotJP's doing better now, dropping that hideous mascot and including more streamers, but tbh I think Evi has so much more impact than what anything riotJP does XD
I wish my community, Pokemon, came down as hard on abusers and pedos as the LoL community did with Cookie. Everyone else has skeletons so its a mexican standoff where no one wants to out abuse since they are hiding something too. LoL gets flak for being toxic, but will still come together to do the right thing
*glares at the smashbros community xD*
I wish people came down harder on you for your stuff to....
Bro you're a furry, you should be the first to go
If I remember correctly they don't really like you either over there
@@Szauron my wrist is so stupid
Like how the Dodgers go lightsout after a homerun.
No time stamps on a 3hour video in the year of our lord 2023
Still waiting 10 days later for the Max Waldo mic going quiet montage
I saw a pc/xbox game at LAX. was $16 for 30 minutes and $40 for day pass. some other tiers between those but idr the prices.
1:13:58 Morgana, Protector of Chastity
Mr LS, I might be wrong (probably) as im only a lowly diamond player - on champions that break and violate the game. While not pro-play viable, Tank hybrid shyvana with iceborne, demonic into full tank absolutely violates the game. Almost one-shots anything thats not tank, almost unkillable with drakes. Nobody talks about it and I am sitting at 80 games, over 70% winrate.
They should have a draft purist game where people will draft a comp and then find a one trick who plays that champ for all 10 players
Where is the tweet with the reccomended Coaches, I don't see it on his twitter. I might just be blind.
Shout-out to Tuv yeah, I'm convinced he's secretly a god
Regarding Hashinshin, he did actually talk about his own drama several times when it happened to him, there's like at least 5 videos on his channel directly related to the stuff. But the thing is, authorities actually got involved, he was investigated by the FBI and cleared, meaning that whatever he was actually doing regardless of what has been said, he couldn't be punished by law for it.
The man's career took a huge blow for reasons that have never even been proven right and he's supposed to apologize for it?
I'm not about to say that he's absolutely clean as a person there's a reason that drama emerged in the first place, but he was largely wrongly accused and judged by the wide audience, the same way Cookie will be if by some miracle he's actually innocent, which I doubt.
There’s actually no proof that the FBI investigated him it’s all just his word so it’s most likely he’s lying and also there’s clear proof that he sent gross messages to a minor
@@TWISTEDGiraff3 I mean just look at his latest video about the drama with his gf, he literally shows him interacting with the fbi with both emails and paper. You can still think down on him about the messages sure, but don't pretend that he is making up the fbi story.
@@TWISTEDGiraff3 The argument you're making has very little value. Yeah sure, maybe he's lying, but "proof" he did put forth, the same way his detractors put forth theirs, so I could very well use your logic against you and say that his detractors faked their evidence because they wanted to harm Hashinshin's reputation and he's only defending himself.
To be clear, you're right that there is a possibility Hash is lying, but the same is applicable to the other side and as outsiders, we have no way of knowing for sure so arguing either way is a moot point. The only thing we can realistically do is judge the evidence, and as far as I know, Hash's appeal to authority through the form of the FBI investigating him and clearing him was never contested. Heck the whole thing died down shortly after as far as I know.
Love watchig this but Max needs to point his mic at his mouth because the volume difference between the two is wide af. But overall great content I'm enjoying it!!
Can you put the date when this was done live in the description please?
Just cause someone writes 90 pages about you, it doesnt mean they deserve 90 back.
Are there actually enough good players to support an ecosystem where they have to learn new picks every week? If there are, then teams can and should force them to learn the picks, but if there aren't, then the quality of the games is just much lower and that probably tanks viewership. I want to see draft diversity, but I think it must come from the teams playing diverse champions within the framework of the game, not changing the framework of the game. I would support a new tournament where there was a restricted list, though, I just don't want that to be the main pro play.
God dam it I thought my headphones broke 1/2 way though the video
Hashinshin had multiple response videos about the allegations, but I don't recall any formal apology (been a while so memory might be shit.) He has however talked about it extensively so not exactly comparable to how Cookie has played out. Not defending anyone btw just an fyi
Can we get some weekly podcast about these topics or like that time when you spoke with devs
"Dont get it twisted" NOOOOOOOOOOOOO FUCKING SHOT LOL
As someone who got into leaue in early 2019, the only reason i continued to play is because of friends i had who played the game previously as well as friends wanting to get into it. If you dont have people to experience the shitfest that is low elo league I dont see you ever sticking around
To change the champion loops, rework the champions in the loop instead of introducting new champions.
Why is audio randomly muted around hour 2 smoge
Why is no one talking about the fact that the audio keeps cutting off after the half way point?
Can you come out with some hoodies that are soft on the inside for your merch please!!! Maybe do a pink one.... I'm so sad your merch is sold out atm!!! love you hope you are well and happy fellow league player
Just dont let team pick the same champions which were picked and banned in game before (best of 3 or best of 5)
"What is the point of all these buffs ?"
I truly think patch notes for the vast majority of it's content is not made to balance the game but as on going content for a certain type of players. People will read patch notes and see "X champion buffed/nerfed" and get interested in changing who they play for no reason. But that's like a super cheap way to give a reason to play or in a way "content" to players.
Even pro players / the best people to play the game make the mistake of thinking some stuff matter when it doesn't.
It gives content creators like you guys and so many others a way to make content wich in turns keep people interested. I feel like it's truly a very cost effective thing for riot and kind of a tradition that they keep to update every 2 weeks even tho it's not necessary or practical anymore.
I think also a good amount of the changes are meant for non-pro players. Like when they mention the hexcore cost adjustment for viktor not mattering because good players already would recall at the correct times with the correct amount of gold.
Yes that is true and for those tiers of players the change probably didnt matter, but the 100 gold reduction would still matter for a lower skill player who might not be doing the perfect csing. So perhaps this change was meant more towards those players and not the competitive level players.
Context for those things is important too
1:32:30 Huge Bausffs buff
1:45:03 Audio goes silent for some reason here.
Only allowing certain champions is terrible, it should be the opposite, remove bans, allow mirror matchups, only then will the best league of legends be played because one tricks can always play. Players don't know how to play their champs because mastery isn't worth it if you can be banned out. Same with unique innovative strategies, not worth it. With no bans and mirror, teams can spend 1000s of hours mastering one specific comp, you would seem way more diversity in pro teams strategies
Bans and limiting the champ pool on a rotation makes people only learn monotone champions, unique ones are not worth the time, you have to pick a pool of champions that are all similar. This would make the gameplay less innovative, and champ pools less diverse, not more.
Artificially choosing what people play is a losing game a band aid to try to cover up problems with the game
does anyone know why LS and Curtis have beef?
vi b1 could be like a knowledge check from fighting games. was counter jungle not able to kill karthus/fiddlesticks?
Anyone have timestamps? I’m not interested in the cookie drama, just the esports convo
Is the audio a little scuffed or what?
Any clips of Ls talking about the bbq situation?
Someone pls add timestamps, i watched a lot of this live but dont remember how much i watched
1:57 8.10 the ie change right?
Timers :(?
ok but the 20 sec cd on the ult helps me in aram
bookmark for myself: 15:54
was it viego and yone the misses?
no timestamps? :>
Is there some higher up executive telling the balance team that they can’t switch things up more?
Really good and interesting content, but god damn max's mic problems made some parts extremely unenjoyable to listen to after a while and it got a bit frustrating in the end
Max does not even have the head of the mic facing his mouth, no wonder its adjusting to take out his voice. It most likely think hes background noise.
Maybe I'm dumb, but I don't think Riot's intention is to change "why" you pick a champion or the decisions you make during a game with most changes. Their goal is to manage win rates among diamond and below players.
If they make big changes on these small patches it's probably bad for most players. The game is hard enough for the 98% below diamond. And diamond players and most pros suck too according to your previous videos. So, why expect the patches to do something they don't. A separate video, saying what Riot's goals should be makes sense. But this seems like you're analyzing through a perspective Riot isn't using.
Best dog ❤
timestamps please