Learning how to fly a complex aeroplane - The Flying Reporter
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- I learn how to fly a Piper Arrow 3, which has a variable pitch propeller and retractable gear.
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How exciting Jon, looks like a lot of fun and not too different
Thanks Robin. There's quite a lot of new information to remember, but once you get passed that it's not so bad.
"That's Jon, he's a complex pilot" they'll say.
Congratulations.
Haha! Thanks.
@@TheFlyingReporter Hi, great video. May I ask how do you know how far to put the prop and the mixture and throttle?
I used to fly one of these in EGNT, with retractable landgear and VP prop, was only 180 hp, but loved it, was like a real airplane !
I've shared an Arrow with a good friend of mine for years and I can say that the plane is a terrific tourer.
Plenty of fuel tankage and speed have you well down into France in a jot. It's also a great IMC platform and the autopilot can help you out a lot if you do find yourself in IMC.
All in all it's a fantastic aircraft that is increasing in value these days.
One thing that sometimes gets omitted from complex differences training is how to land the aircraft if the undercarriage fails to lock down and the usual procedures don't fix it. I have flown an arrow since 2011 and have had two emergencies with undercarriage. In the first, the nosewheel failed to lower and in the second, a microswitch failed, giving a false indication of "missing green" when the wheel was actually locked down. The good news is that you can land safely without the undercarriage. You will trash the prop and necessitate a very thorough maintenance service, but you can walk away from it. It is important to stop the engine completely before touchdown and glide in, holding the aircraft off for as long as possible. The important thing is not to panic if the standard emergency procedures don't work. Stay calm and try everything in the checklist - you usually have plenty of time. If everything fails, focus on pulling off a greaser of a landing, preferably on grass, with the engine off at about fifty feet. And give the emergency services time to attend and get organised. Hopefully, it will never happen to you, but it happened to me and it could happen to anyone.
Thanks Hugh, and glad you survived this.
The look on the instructors face @ 8.05 when you said you were waiting for the Greens after you raised the gear!
Got my arrow endorsement in Bankstown in Sydney around 10 years ago. Brings back a lot of memories. The extra speed is great to have.
Hi Jon, I’m at 12 hours PPL training and finding your videos informative and useful. Thank you!
Thanks for watching.
Love the Arrow.
Greetings from USA
Hello there!
Well done - lots to take on board on a windy day. The tip about yaw-ing the aircraft to assist with the gear is very helpful. I almost always lean something new with your videos. Thanks !
Thanks Graeme
G-CBZR was my favourite a/c to fly on the EGLK fleet during my time there (Steve also did my differences training, too) - you'll have some great trips in her! Also an excellent place to try some other types, too - if you like ZR, I guarantee you'll like OW! Enjoy :)
ccousinsr32 yeh the 182 is a fabulous aeroplane. It’s the only aeroplane in which I’ve left the ATZ through the TOP rather than laterally!!
Wonderful aeroplane. You'll love it! (signed: A 15 year Arrow owner ;-)
Welcome to an Arrow. I fly a t-tail iv out of Elstree from an Archer 180. I love it! A little heavy in the tail on elevator but not any issue and the extra speed and lower drag in the cruise makes for a comfy, genuine 4 seat cruiser. I wish you well to fly it. 23/23 in the cruise at 11 gallons per hour gives me c127kts and 6 hours range
Thanks. Looking forward to putting my cruise performance to the test over long range.
11 imperial gals per hour? I know nothing about flying Arrows but my dad had a Comanche 180 and it would burn 8 gals per hour at 135 kts.
Very clean aircraft the Comanche. The Arrow non turbo is supposed to cruise at c140kts but I’ve never seen it. 125 to 130 is normal for a good, well maintained aircraft. I was flying back from Sywell the other day at 3500ft with a 25kt tailwind that had me at 152 ias and that was great! Still at 11 gal per hour though
Steve took my exam . Good person, very good. Real big pilot.
Hi maate, just wanted to say it's fantastic to see another vlog from you. you always inject some great learning points into your videos. the arrow is a great steed and i bet you will fall in love with her very quickly. great job and thak you
Thank you!
Smooth landing!! Thank you for the awesome content!
Great Info as always. I am looking at a Arrow tonight and have only flow a Warrior and C172 from my flight school. Exciting times.
Very interesting vlog and looks like you have some interesting times ahead. Thanks for sharing.
Great episode, your instructor is awesome!
He's good isn't he.
very useful video and please discuss more about propeller lever and power setting, thanks
Well edited and great commentary over top the footage--great watch!
Great choice,congrats! Arrow II owner myself, great plane, fast but thirsty if you don't lean it right.
It really likes to sink, guess your noticed that when you cut the power on approach and it sank like a rock compared to the Warrior!
PFL practice in a new plane is always a good idea and is often missed on differences :)
Thanks.
I was hoping you would step up to a complex single...
And you have!
Brilliant. Looking forward to your continued adventures in the new plane.
Onwards and upwards!
Greetings from the Wirral.
Thanks Darren. Just that simple change has given me a new spark of interest in flying.
Well done. I find it particularly satisfying to be in the learning environment - I always have some sort of knowledge transfer between the new and the known. Enjoy !
Thanks - it's a bit like starting all over again! Even simple things like climbing and descending are taking extra thought. Working out the natural power settings for things, the engine sound etc.
@@TheFlyingReporter I can imagine. Did the SEP instructional flight in a 172 last week and the systems (flaps, lights, electrical) were almost alien despite me being comparatively current. Are we going to be seeing the Arrow in videos more regularly now?
I got my complex sign off in a T tail (very very heavy feeling) Arrow twenty-two years ago.... 5 hours of flying and 21 years later, I bought a Mooney!
Keep the hand on the gear lever until three green! Also when gear up is selected!
Nice!
Great video Jon and interesting to watch the 'complex' check out process in what looked to be quite difficult conditions as well. Looking forward to your future trips in the type.
Thank you Tim.
Amazing choice. An Arrow II owner
Aren't they great!!
That's the plane I did complex conversion in :-) The extra power is nice, and I've never gone back to carbs, no carb heat!
I see ZR is looking a lot tidier these days, new paint and panel.
It's a sweet aeroplane.
Thanks Jon as ever excellent video, looks like your going to have fun. Blackbushe is a friendly airport real friendly people. have fun!
Thanks Brian.
Congratulations.. and wishing you all the best .
Thank you.
Very interesting.
Glad I’m not the only one who misses things! (but all’s well that ends well)
Brilliant vid Jon, nice aircraft too - a bit more to think about.
Thanks Joe.
Great Video on complex aircraft training. Look forward to doing this too, soon. Probably on a C182. Like the „Red, Green, Blue“ procedure on the final. Always very informative and professionally made Videos, Jon. Greetings from Germany.
Thanks David.
Thanks for this video, I like the format, it's like I was on the plane too !!!
THANKS FOR SHARING !!!
Thanks for watching.
Wow that's a nice step up Jon!
I was amazed when I saw you can switch the lightbulbs of the landinggear system haha.
Great video once again and you just gained a paying subscriber. Cheers.
Thanks Auke!
no carb heat no carb, injection has alternate air instead, used when there is ice build up on intake.
Very nice video Jon I spent a lot of time as a young lad leaning over the fence at Blackbush watching the aircraft and wishing I could fly Popham is my home airfield now good luck with what you are doing.
Thank you Lars. Having a lot of fun with the arrow.
Very interesting episode. I think I need a second viewing to take it in.
Cool. Don't let me stop you.
Great video, I’m looking forward to training in a complex aircraft.
Looks great this! Love your style...we have not dissimilar jobs! As ever keep it up Jon 👍
Thank you Ben. Started out in radio!
I will have to transition from a simple C-152 to a complex C-182 RG later this year, and I read the 182 RG POH already. I was pleased to see that with a low drag and high Vlo, Vle speeds, we are advised to extend the gear BEFORE entering the traffic circuit. And in case of touch-and-gos, the gear stays down :) That was a surprise, but makes sense. So as soon as I have a visual on the airfield, I drop the gear, have time to check everything and it will be easier to fly the circuit. With so many unintended wheels-up landings on TH-cam nowadays, one has to be very careful not to become the next one :)
I think keeping the gear down for touch and goes is a very good idea. Unless you're teaching the gear.
Fantastic video - thank you
Thanks for watching.
I learned to fly in Cherokees and found the Arrow familiar. Just a *lot* faster. :-)
Have fun! Enjoy!
And a bit more hardy.
I'm taking my first lesson towards getting my PPL tomorrow and watching this makes me nervous.
I’ve got a bunch of hours in ZR. Nice aeroplane and 125kIAS cruise at about 23 squared.
You could try a M20K-231. Near death experiences guaranteed😂
Going to be spending more time a Blackbushe Jon? Highly recommend you get checked out in the C182, more room, smoother engine, better range, better performance, better on grass/gravel/sand runways - quieter too! Dan runs an excellent group.
My hope to fly quite a number of types from Blackbushe eventually.
Lovely video as always.
Thank you!
Great vid - went through this with my CFI. I was caught out the other day. Dropped the gear, no green lights at all. Turned out my panel lights were off. Turned lights on - 3 greens. Thanks to the FISO. Part of my pre takeoff checks, do I have three greens?
Jon that’s a super Arrow with fab avionics-was that a Garmin 650? Your Arrow puts to shame the ratty one I flew for many ~10 years of 1973 vintage. If I may offer one suggestion. When u extend the undercarriage keep your hand on the gear lever UNTIL u see the 3 green lights indicating down and locked. Looking forward to more adventures and of course your peregrinations.
It's a garmin 530.
1 Cessna lover was here ;-)
Cessna lover myself. Will be doing this on a C177 as soon as the lockdown is over.
At 5:15, PA28? Very nice video, thanks!
Great video Jon. You are helping me in 2 ways 1. I am in quarantine in Australia so binge watching your vids and 2. I am learning something new every time thank you. Did Blackbushe Flying Group say how long typically the conversion might take with plenty of PA28 fixed gear experience.
This conversion was about 1 hour ground school and 1 hour in-flight instruction.
Great work Jon ✈️
Thanks Stewart!
Nice. Now you can use the mnemotechnic "CLUMPS" (Carb heat, Lights, Undercarriage, Mixture, Prop, Safety)
Or Bumpffich - Brakes, Undercarriage, Mixture, Prop, Fuel, Flaps, Instruments , Carb heat (if fitted) Hatches/harnesses
Great video! Could you please explain what a classifies an aircraft as a complex aircraft?
Good Show :)
I'll have to dig out my Airfix 1/72 Arrow in honour of the upgrade.
Hi Jon, well it is a very small world in aviation.I know Captain Steve Pels very well from my BA days.
have not seen him for a while since i left in June 2018.Please say hello from me if or when you fly with him again.
Best of luck with it all, look forward to the next video.
Seán.
Hi Cylindrical,
Apols for the slow response but here goes.
It depends what you want from flying as a commercial pilot as the road to a job is long & hard especially just now.
However BA offers a good mix of flying with a great route structure to match.
Normal progression is shorthaul entry then a few years on the A320 series aircraft.
From there it is largely up to you where you go as both lifestyles offer differenf things.
Shorthaul is a lot a sectors with both long & short days,multi day tours with nightstops in some beautiful European cities as well as UK donestic ones.
You could then go for command or bid to transfer onto the Longhaul fleet which will largely consist of B777/787 and A380/ A350 as the B747 will be gone soon.
Rosters are constructed on a bid system as well as your leave.
As you bulid more seniority you get better choices but initially it is take what you are given on both fleets.
Yes the company is a good employer and had lots of fringe benefits like membership of the Aircrew sports and recreation club for a very small monthly sum which gives you access to all sorts of things sporting wise downroute.
I very much enjoyed my time as cabin crew for the most part there and wanted to stay but in Flight Ops rather than crew for personal & professional reasons.
The only real downside is the company is very bureaucratic and things can take a long time to happen which results in a lot of whinging & unecessary interdepartmental politics.
Other than that i would definitelt say well worth joining if you can meet their demanding standards.
If you want any further information please feel free to connect with me on LinkedIn which is a much better platform under Sean McErlean.
Otherwise good luck with all the training and hard work ahead.
Best regards,
Seàn
Sean McErlean Thanks for this insight. I am not the one who asked the question but I still found this information interesting.
@@boass you are welcome
However that is all a moot point right about now with this virus.It has all changed overnight.Good luck though if this is what you would like to do.Seán
Sean McErlean Yeah I guess it really throws a wrench into the whole equation. However at the moment I am just a student pilot so I’m hoping all of this will have blown over by the time I get my ATPL. Until then I’m not really effected by the issue.
@@boassWell if i can be of help or advice to you(no charge)please feel free to let me know.Having done my licence originally back in 1993-1995 and joined BA as crew later that yeat i have a wealth of experience as well as good contacts.
If you wish please come and find me on LinkedIn under Sean David McErlean(flight ops officer).
I stress i am not an instructor(yet) but can give you sound assistance.
Best of luck wherever you are training and most of all enjoy it because it is fum even when the learning gets stressful.
I got that & it was nice getting that rating, Complicated rating. Congratulations. Also, how are you & family with this pandemic ? Hope your all ok.
We're surviving - we've all been unwell, but are recovering.
@@TheFlyingReporter Good to hear your recovering. We'll all get through this.
CHeck bias is why the RAF restricted the number of circuits being carried out to 5, without flying away to do another task, as they had a few aircraft try to land or even land with the gear up.
makes sense.
fab! 👏🏻👏🏻
Thanks. It's a good ep isn't it? And Steve is lovely!
@@TheFlyingReporter really good yes! 😉
So almost a year out how's it going? I have my first flight in a Cessna 182 RG this weekend, so moving up from a 172 to retractable gear and adjustable prop.
Another brilliantly produced video. Thanks.
I recently filmed a once in a lifetime helicopter lesson with multiple cameras. One suffered a similar effect to your central GoPro which I put down to the mount seeming to resonate with a particular frequency in the aircraft and another suffered from a 'drifting' effect that I put down to the gyro based stabiliser not liking turns with a component of g-force.
Have you got any general tips for choice of cameras and mounting positions and the use of image stabilisers etc?
Resonation is a bit of a problem at times. Sadly, the mount in this shareoplane does seem to resonate...my first flight in it, so you only discover these things from trial and error.
Really enjoy the vids, i am learning to fly and had my first lesson a few weeks ago. which licsense do you have and what are your top tips for novice flyers that are learning( like me).
Great to hear you're setting out on your training. I have an standard UK issued EASA PPL, with a night and IR(r) rating. In terms of tips, just expect to keep on learning. You never stop, and getting your license is the first step.
@@TheFlyingReporter thanks for the advice, and im sure i will never stop learning as well.👍
A great video as ever. A technical question if I may. For the internal shots that capture the GNS530, what Frame Rate/Shutter speed are you using to eliminate screen flicker?
Hi. I don't remember Brice telling me he compensated for the screens. Usually shooting 25fps is good enough, I haven't had them flicker on me before.
Can confirm all handheld shots were at 25fps 1/50. I believe the GoPros were on 25fps and their auto setting which defaults to 1/50 shutter.
Another great video. A bit bumpy up there. Who was your cameraman in the back?
Brice Munn.
Hey Jon - great video, thanks for sharing it.
Just wondered, what are the benefits of the Arrow over the Warrior? Is it speed and efficiency because of the prop / less drag? Our club has one that I’m excited to try out when I finally get my skills test booked in...! (Cross your fingers for some good weather for me if you can!)
Thanks again,
Jamie
It's speed and endurance. 120-130 knots, 6 hours endurance with 72 gallon tanks, and copes better in gnarly winds on approach, because of its weight.
Nice video. Just one thing, you could define some keywords for us novice enthusiasts. For example: what does down wind leg mean? Etc...
This video may help you: th-cam.com/video/nhP0jAYYOgU/w-d-xo.html
What date did you film your last flight in pipper arrow? Neil.
8th March, why?
@@TheFlyingReporter Just so I can find the vlog thank john keep up the good work
John what did you call the vlog?
Wouldn't it be better to establish initial contact with the next agency rather then requesting the service required at the same time, then having to repeat your requirements after 2 way is established ?.
If you mean in the initial call why did I 'request basic service/traffic service' then the reason why it is stated in the initial call is because they will fill out a different coloured strip, depending on the service requested. By stating the service requested at the outset, then the correctly coloured strip is picked, and populated....ie saving time/controller workload.
Well, that was most enjoyable Jon but that's a bit weird isn't it, turning on the nav lights dims the landing gear lights? Why does an aircraft manufacturer allow that to happen?
Hi David, the nav lights would primarily be used for night flying so it dims the 3 greens to prevent dazzling you, it catches a few people out though who fly in the day with nav lights on!
@@danholley9087 Thanks, Dan!
Great video John. Have you joined dans blackbushe flying group?
Yes.
Is the Blackbushe Flying Group related to and linked to or affiliated to either flight school? Or do you hire the aircraft then pick whichever instructor and school you prefer?
They're separate entities. However, I have used instructors from Blackbushe Aviation to do differences/checkouts in the group's aircraft.
@@TheFlyingReporter thanks!
PA28?
Interesting that you requested a basic service. Why not ask for traffic?
Didn't need it - Cloud and Vis good, and often Farnborough can't give it.
The Flying Reporter I was interested as to why you asked for any service at all. It gives a small bit of additional safety, but then you’ve got all the radio calls of Farnborough constantly going off in your ear. Personal preference of course but for a local training flight like that when learning new skills I would have thought it was better to not get a service and then you can concentrate more fully on the task in hand.
Yay my home airfield I'm in Farnham not far from there (I used to fly with Cabair based in the control tower building). Love the 25 approach in the summer when the trees/ hedges are taller/ thicker! Jon wait until you try 07 approach on a busy car auction day - a little unnerving when you see lots of cars/ people milling around just before touch down! Also thats where the Bin Laden jet crashed in 2017. Jon you're lucky you're not a long time flyer from Blackbushe as all the procedures have changed due to Farnborough Class D changes www.blackbusheairport.co.uk/news
Looking forward to the 07 approach.
It's *expectation bias*, not confirmation bias. Confirmation bias is when you remember the evidence in favor of your bias, and ignore the evidence against your bias. In this case, there was no evidence that the gear was down. With "expectation bias", it's a belief that something is true because you expected it to be true.
I used to fly one of these in EGNT, with retractable landgear and VP prop, was only 180 hp, but loved it, was like a real airplane !