The way the story goes, it's pretty clear that Ellis is a psychopath especially with the line "As soon as he (Linphe) turned his body, Ellis's body turned blank again." It's also heavily implied that what Ellis was doing was faking emotions to manipulate Linphe into buying drinks. Interesting story when you dig into the the intricacies of it.
Oh, more than that. Ellis killed his "friend" in the alleyway. He's used to being around aliens, so he was running his simulated emotions on Basic Mode until Linphe mentioned his prior experience -- an actual human would have caught on much sooner.
Years ago I was watching a special on sociopathy. On it was a neurologist studying the disorder via MRI scans. There are very recognizable patterns in scans of sociopaths brains that aren't present in neurotypicals and vice versa. The neurologist talked about one time he was analyzing scans from his own family for fun and was shocked to discover one of them had these patterns ... his. When he brought it up to his family and friends they all told him "yeah. We figured that out years ago. But you're not dangerous or malicious so we never made a big deal about it." Somehow he had made a career out of studying sociopaths without ever realizing he himself was one. Guess it just goes to show the importance of practicing honest introspection.
James Fallon isn't a sociopath. His whole presentation was about how there are genetic and physiological differences between a neurotypical person and people with the potential to be psychopaths/sociopaths, but there also needs to be a developmental factor in being abused/traumatized at a young age in order to sort of activate those changes and properly twist a person like that. He and several other members of his family have the correct genetic and physiological markers to have become psychopaths, but because they grew up in healthy loving homes they're all relatively normal people.
@@ReconCrusader Not sure if I'd classify figuring out empathy the same as having it. As an Aspie I have 1st hand experience with learning to fake social norms (in my case it's body language). After many years of active practice it could generously be said that I've gotten it to almost second nature (I can now read moderately obvious body language if I make a conscious effort). That's still a long way from primary nature though and I still wouldn't call it the actual thing, just a facsimile. Even if my interactions look almost normal the amount of brain power I have to put into pulling off what neurotypicals do effortlessly is taxing to say the least. Not sure how that compares to sociopaths and empathy but if there are any reading this who'd be willing to enlighten us I'd be fascinated to hear your take.
I kinda wish the first story continued a bit more, like Linphe sits back down and just asks, "So is it as exhausting faking emotions as it is to listen to them? You don't need to bother on my account! It's so relaxing talking with you!" And getting Ellis's confusion that all the aliens would prefer he just be himself.
Thus revealing an entire galaxy of sociopathic aliens. Each race believes it's the only one to feel (or not feel) that way to fool the others, until Linphe and his new human associate start spreading the word.
Story 1: I expected Ellis to be an android or something. Story 2: It reminds me of Syndrome's quote from _The Incredibles:_ When everyone's super (armed), no one will be.
For story 1 the humans need to start recruiting more high functioning Aspies for ambassador roles. We feel and have morals but aren't big on body language or hidden meanings.
I'm Similar. But rather then pretending to have emotions, I mask my excessive emotions in order to appear more balanced and carefree for the most part.
@@MrSuperbeast92 Yeah, it's one thing to have to mask myself by emulating what others feel but which I do not: I can't even imagine how trying it must be for the other side of that coin - you people who are manic or have some form of mania and have to try and constantly steer their little boat of sanity against out right torrents of emotionality. I think it's one of the few arenas where each side of the divider legitimately thinks their own side has greener grass.
@@ObservingLibertarian A lot of people have emotional dysregulation actually, it's a really common symptom of ADHD/ADD and really messes up the capacity to hold friendships because you become quick to anger and can't maintain your emotions in check and "socially acceptable", basically people with this type of problem have to swim on lava while the others have to deal with a small puddle. Then other people become insulted when ADHD people get overwhelmed If you can't feel emotions very well I don't expect you to be sympathetic or feel anything towards this really but try to be aware other people are conscious living beings. Also a therapist(psychologist) may help with emotionally numbness or even psychopathy with treatment. You could try that to feel more emotions if you really don't feel much/anything at all.
Story 1: The way the story goes, it's pretty clear that Ellis is a psychopath especially with the line "As soon as he (Linphe) turned his body, Ellis's body turned blank again." It's also heavily implied that what Ellis was doing was faking emotions to manipulate Linphe into buying drinks. Interesting story when you dig into the the intricacies of it.
I uhh.... had a more dark takeaway from that..... like he murdered his own friend and..... he was faking the emotions to not be found out and well the next victim on that list was the alien.... based on this whole night was gonna be a long one....
@@VelaiciaCreator It was either that or autism. Once he made the comment about some people just psychopaths though I knew what was gonna happen. Reminds me of that one story where they had a group of alien cops transporting a human criminal that just watched everyone with cold dead eyes, and at point he escapes and tries to eat someone leading to the one human on the crew making a comment about the uncanny valley.
love how the story has an autistic character and everybody jumps to sociopathic or murder.... gods it's exusing living life being so casually hated by everybody who hasn't even MET me.
Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing. - Robert E. Howard
I have heard there is no difference between either. Yes yes I have seen the definition of the words.. some physiologist believe there is not differnce between the 2.
Both have a hard time with emotions (love&never ending hate). sociopaths have lost their emotions through experiences with society, and thus likely express the later
@@beingsneakyNeither is officially defined medical terminology. It's jargon to distinguish a difference between the two, as both fall under the DSM-5 "Antisocial Personality Disorder."
My understanding of it is psychopaths have some form of psychosis (disconnection from reality) whereas sociopaths lack normal emotions or a conscience but are otherwise sane.
Story 1: Kinda wish Linphe would have recognized Ellis was a psychopath, but then I guess the latter is just that good at manipulation. Story 2: The last line says it perfectly.
Many overlook the useful functions emotions serve, and mainly only notice when they interfere with stuff. Just think about how often you've decided between two options because you liked one more. Yes one usually can justify such choices later, but that doesn't invalidate the fact they made an emotion based decision. Or hell consider all the little risk factors in day to day life, then consider that usually this is handled intuitively as fear
The problem with a lack of, or dulled sense of emotions is that it leaves the mind in a state of pure, one track analysis. Like a state of 1s and 0s, dos and donts, a scale weighing odds. The issue is that unlike a computer, this scale is capable of self governing, tweaking, and making changes to itself. And it has the ability to ask dirty questions like whether something is worth bothering with or not. No sense of motivation or drive to keep up momentum, but simply a question of whether to try, or to not, to continue, or to stop. And this question is what breaks the scale. Because it can be applied to anything. Everything. A small problem like does the scale want a cup of coffee? A question in whether it is more beneficial for the scale to lean towards it's associated colleagues for an after hours dinner to potentially gain more opportunities, or to pull some extra hours and get some more money in the wage in the short term. Risk vs. reward. But then it asks this silly question. Is any of it worth it? Does any of it matter? Is there a benefit for the scale to continue being a scale, versus simply no longer existing? Your scale has been given depression. I hope you're proud of yourself, you sadistic bastard.
Yes and no. Emotions and basic drives interact, but they're not the same thing. Without emotional responses and ingrained morality, you have something as intelligent and capable as a human that has the basic animal impulses to drive it: If hungry, eat. If threatened, kill. If horny, mate. High-functioning psychopaths still have reasons to do things -- they just see other people as either Obstacle, Tool or Other. Are you their boss? Tool. Are you their competitor? Obstacle. Mate? Tool. (Psychopaths rarely have children. They have no emotional investment in providing another generation, and infants are Obstacles until they become Tools. Highly impractical in the short-term.)
I think the first story is saying that the terran is a psycho because the terran explains how a psycho works(emotionally,body language,and attitude) and the alien did t get it because the alien basically said that the terran was easy to talk to because he (technically) further description of a psycho. At least that's what I think.
@@vanta_8lack591 Specifically he was the second type of psychopath who’s mostly harmless but extremely manipulative. He lied about morning the loss of an old friend for empathy points and free beer, was probably living among aliens because they’re easier to manipulate, and the but at end where he suddenly started showing a lot more subtle emotions and commented of it being tiring night was him realizing that he managed to cozy up to the one alien who might catch on to him if he didn’t step up his a game.
Huh, #1 went in the complete opposite direction I thought it would, I thought it was about autism and there was going to be a reveal where yeah I feel the emotions just fine, And I find other humans very stressful as well. I was not expecting it to just take that turn and end right there...
"Humans are exhausting" As an introvert, I thoroughly agree. And for both the reasons of the aliens _and_ Ellis. I'm no psychopath but I'm not naturally very _expressive_ of my emotions or particularly perceptive of other people's expressions so it takes some effort to deal with people without accidentally offending them or creeping them out, on top of the innate emotional drain of spending too much time around people as an introvert.
Um actually 🤓 the aliens are just less expressive and have a lesser range of emotions, and psychopaths aren’t without emotions and morality just empathy and the natural body language that comes with it. which is something the story got wrong.
No, they are not. Ellis is a psychopath, because his genetics, neurological patterns and behaviour deviate significantly from the human average. The alien though was perfectly normal for his species (or at least, that can be savely assumed) and thus, not a psychopath.
@@thebiggorp1623 That is actually not completely true as well. Psychopaths show a distinct lack of emotions. Sociopaths on the other hand _do_ have emotions, but are incapable of controlling them. And of course, there are endless shades of grey in between. But the one thing that must be said about psychopaths is that they are _not_ capable of empathy, at least not in the normal sense. They will feel no scruples whatsoever when following their goals and they are incapable of feeling remorse or guilt. Many psychopaths are really good though when it comes to _faking_ emotions or emotional response, the story actually descripes that quite perfectly. Funny enough, people usually and falsely assume that the opposite is true for Aspies like I am. They often seem to think that we don't have emotions, but can sometimes fake them quite convincingly.
@@Furzkampfbomber that is even less true. Sociopaths feel more aggression and are more impulsive not that they feel more emotions than psychopaths. The only emotion psychopaths are properly lacking in as you said is remorse. But that isn’t an absolute ether they can feel remorse for doing an action that has resulted in negative consequences for them the same with guilt they feel like if they tell the truth it will negate negative consequences. This is quote helps “It is not uncommon that the emotions of an individual with strong psychopathic traits are dysregulated, often intense, with a tendency to be toward the negative end of the spectrum when they are under-stimulated (e.g., the newness of a partner has worn off). Non-psychopathic individuals often feel that these individuals lack in emotion because they are consistently self-centered, non-empathic, callous, and cold.” Dr. Rhonda Freeman (clinical neuropsychologist) Neuroinstincts
Psychopaths don't lack emotion, they just have a different range of emotions than most people do, and compassion doesn't come naturally to them. I think I read somewhere that they don't have as many (or maybe any) mirror neurons, so they have to think consciously about how other people might feel, if they even bother to try. It creates a disconnect from other people, one similar to the hypo-empathetic end of the autism spectrum, but taken a lot further; autistic people generally don't lack empathy, they just can't always understand why someone feels a certain way. Being not great at reading body language and not having much interest in socializing with other people (or socializing in other ways) tends to add to this disconnect. Even hyper-empathetic autistic people like me can struggle to figure out why someone is feeling a certain way, usually in the form of realizing someone is upset and being confused about why they're upset. Mainly what it boils down to is psychopaths can read body language just fine but don't subconsciously connect what they read to their own experiences at all -- IE they don't feel what others feel because the mechanism by which most people do that subconsciously doesn't exist, so they have to figure things out consciously, which then is like clinical scientific detachment taken to the extreme. It's like they're a human studying an alien species. Meanwhile autistic people are unable to read a large spectrum of allistic (non-autistic) body language, and what parts of it they *can* read they're not always able to relate to their own experiences, IE "I know what being sad feels like, I've been sad. But why is that person sad about (x)? I wouldn't be if it happened to me." So for autistic people it's like *we're* the aliens living among humans. If that's confusing, think of it this way: psychopaths don't subconsciously make the connection that the people they study are the same species as them, which can make treating them well a struggle to even care about on top of a struggle to DO. Whereas autistic people, we know subconsciously we're human, that others are people like us, and we project our own experiences onto them and get confused when those don't line up. It feels a lot like culture shock. I even sometimes say "I get culture shock from the culture I was raised in." We care what others think of us, we don't like when we've hurt someone, but both are a constant struggle, and our own feelings get hurt when we fail. Meanwhile a psychopath doesn't really care about things like that beyond camouflage. Not that psychopaths can't have care about people, it's just... it's like Lt. Commander Data in Star Trek saying he didn't feel affection as a human would, but he still experienced something like affection by preferring the input of being around people he liked, and experienced something like grief when they were gone. Both of these weren't feelings, because he didn't feel them---they came from a place of intellect. But the effects were similar. Bleh. I don't know if I'm making any sense with this. Just... I think yeah, it can be boiled down to psychopaths are like aliens hiding amongst humans and not feeling much about it beyond blending in, while autistic people are different. Like the difference between someone who came here willingly to study human culture and has a way back home whenever they want to leave (psychopaths) versus someone whose ship crash landed here on the way to a vacation destination, stranding them, and they just want to be liked by the locals but struggle and feel hurt when they fail. (Autistics.)
I wouldn't say like aliens. They do have emotions. They feel them just the same. Depending on who you are they can feel like someone turned the volume down on them or up. The problem lies in the idea that they ARE matching the emotions they think you feel. If you go through life on volume 1 and everyone elses emotions seem like 10 when interacting with you. You match that to interact. Some become convinced that the depth of the emotions is similar and they are also acting. Hence why things will not bother them as much as they see the small emotions as just that small. But that's just what I have found.
Story 2, people get offended allot less often proportional to the dakka on display. Yeah I may not survive but mutual sucide is fine if one is so easily offended. Violence isn't the only answer but it's always AN answer. If violence dont work, use more violence.
People are awfully brave when they think themselves immune from consequences. Knowing there is a point that is unacceptable is considered healthy boundaries.
Story 1: I caaaaan relaaaaate! (Ellis is a psychopath, tldr; a stunted ability to experience emotion (unless some decent (and bad) trauma to the head occours, such is the case with me))
It was an over generalization. Having a flat affect is a muted emotional response, meaning they don't display emotion outwardly as much. No real evil or negative traits associated with that. Also forgetting that once people realize they are talking fast to someone who does not speak the language they slow down and use simpler words. Human's emotional responses would be limited because it would be considered more polite to be less expressive to other species. It's just a very dismissive take on a more complex topic focusing on just one outcome. By that logic not laughing at jokes you do not find funny is a mark of a sociopath.
Unfortunately, I knew a sociopath far too closely for far too long. I knew him closer than anyone; he actually shared many of his internal thoughts with me, and unfortunately, by the time I'd realized just how toxic a presence they were on my life, he'd become so intertwined in my thought processes that it took years to fully extricate myself from him. However, I did learn one important detail; That sociopaths CAN feel emotions and even grief and empathy, they're just so good at hiding these emotions, even from themselves, that they don't register any of them except in the most extreme situations. There were a few brief moments I saw his facade crack, even from himself. Luckily, he's "getting proper treatment and care", now, and I live my life seperate from that... manipulative monster.
Story 1: Animals operating on instinct HAVE emotions, and apparently from what researchers have found - morality. Some animals also are born without empathy - but with most animals, they kill this animal rather then letting them survive to harm others of their species. We humans thing we are above animals, maybe we are not. Story 2: Well, humans can always sell other things.
Humans are exausting. Yes we do waste a A LOT of steam misunderstanding each other, talking in circles and other absurdly human games that make no sense even to us.
My great great great, not so great, great grand pappy bought this here rifle. She still works like a beut, too bad they dont make em anymore -alien dave
@@whatsawigwag2590 i mean dose the US not have one the highest rates of Violent crime of any developed country at 398.5 per 100,000 people compared with 1.2 violent crimes per 100,000 in the UKbased on the stats i could find
@@Tommy-5684 of course one is an island with repressive laws one is a free country with fatherless homes Godless schools with greed violence and being a 304 is pop culture but why are people dying to get hear if it's as bad as the TV tells you it is
@@whatsawigwag2590 my statistcs came from the FBI not from TV. i mean Mexico is in essence in an arrive war and Guatemala Nicaragua and Honduras are the same, Colombia has been fighting an insurgency since the mid 60s . so when compared to active warzones and countrys with some of the highest homicide rates in the world the US may look better but it is by far not the best place to be as evidenced by your high homicide and violent crime rates for developed countries.
How many wars have been directly fought between nuclear armed nations since ww2? The answer is just that we don't commit enough to the idea. Once every man woman and child has access to an arsenal able to glass the earth, peace shall be achieved. Or else.
As an american. I can say that quote is a lie. An armed society isn't always polite. I'm still an asshole with no regard for life. Though the last part I grew into. I've always been an asshole.
Psychopaths! I hate the name. it refers to people who were born without the affliction of empathy. We are called narcissist's and all sorts of lies , just because we don't bleed every time a puppy is run over by a car. Funny enough, one of us can be the best person to have in your life. As long as its in our interest that you prosper, we'll expend energy on your happiness to an insane degree. As long as it enhances our happiness, we 'll do our utmost to make you happy. We maybe ruthless competitors, but please remember we did not make the rules. Some call us manipulative, To which i answer HA! POT KETTLE BLACK? Like you dont use your emotions like club all the time ? one word of caution, you never ever want to abuse a born right person. We will turn your life into a horror novel. You have been warned. We keep telling you to leave these mutant apes alone, you go and buy their weapons! Are you feeling collectively suicidal? In one thing they are right though, an armed society is a polite one. Their honour cultures worked for millennia, before some female with her betta orbiters decided to change that. To her defence, she was trying to save her son from being murdered by his own people, the brat was insufferable i understand, but that is no excuse. The crimes and oppression that followed, are a stellar lesson against social engineering.
Point 1: you literally JUST said you weren’t a narcissist, and then proceeded to say someone only matters if you like them. Point 2: actually, most corporate executives are psychopathic or sociopathic. So, you DO make the rules. And, psychopaths are significantly more prone to being manipulative in studies, and as you have somewhat stated in point 3. Also you are no born without the “affliction” of empathy, empathy is a basic building block of early society and as such is generally a positive. If someone was dying in a forest and you could save them but no-one would know, and thus it could not benefit you, would you save them? Also thanks for the blatant threat, come at me. I have 23 security cameras and a heart monitor to automatically send the files from the cameras to a police station, along with an automatic call informing the police I am likely dead. I honestly don’t know why I did it fun summer project lol but u ain’t gunna touch this
Story 1: Pretending to have emotions is exhausting, I think the point of the story is that Ellis was in the 2 percent
I caught that aswell. Lol
@@MrSuperbeast92 I don't think it's exactly something to catch, as much all but out right said.
The way the story goes, it's pretty clear that Ellis is a psychopath especially with the line "As soon as he (Linphe) turned his body, Ellis's body turned blank again." It's also heavily implied that what Ellis was doing was faking emotions to manipulate Linphe into buying drinks. Interesting story when you dig into the the intricacies of it.
faking emotions sounds exhausting so i rarely bother
Oh, more than that. Ellis killed his "friend" in the alleyway. He's used to being around aliens, so he was running his simulated emotions on Basic Mode until Linphe mentioned his prior experience -- an actual human would have caught on much sooner.
Years ago I was watching a special on sociopathy. On it was a neurologist studying the disorder via MRI scans. There are very recognizable patterns in scans of sociopaths brains that aren't present in neurotypicals and vice versa. The neurologist talked about one time he was analyzing scans from his own family for fun and was shocked to discover one of them had these patterns ... his. When he brought it up to his family and friends they all told him "yeah. We figured that out years ago. But you're not dangerous or malicious so we never made a big deal about it." Somehow he had made a career out of studying sociopaths without ever realizing he himself was one.
Guess it just goes to show the importance of practicing honest introspection.
Was that Dr James Fallon? He’s also supposed to be related to Lizzie Borden!
James Fallon isn't a sociopath. His whole presentation was about how there are genetic and physiological differences between a neurotypical person and people with the potential to be psychopaths/sociopaths, but there also needs to be a developmental factor in being abused/traumatized at a young age in order to sort of activate those changes and properly twist a person like that. He and several other members of his family have the correct genetic and physiological markers to have become psychopaths, but because they grew up in healthy loving homes they're all relatively normal people.
@@LeonardoTheMage thanks for helping fill in some of the gaps in my memory on the topic. It's been a while.
@@ReconCrusader Not sure if I'd classify figuring out empathy the same as having it. As an Aspie I have 1st hand experience with learning to fake social norms (in my case it's body language). After many years of active practice it could generously be said that I've gotten it to almost second nature (I can now read moderately obvious body language if I make a conscious effort). That's still a long way from primary nature though and I still wouldn't call it the actual thing, just a facsimile. Even if my interactions look almost normal the amount of brain power I have to put into pulling off what neurotypicals do effortlessly is taxing to say the least. Not sure how that compares to sociopaths and empathy but if there are any reading this who'd be willing to enlighten us I'd be fascinated to hear your take.
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Plus if you’ve ever watched young children you get the impression that sociopathy is the default, and empathy is a learned trait.
I kinda wish the first story continued a bit more, like Linphe sits back down and just asks, "So is it as exhausting faking emotions as it is to listen to them? You don't need to bother on my account! It's so relaxing talking with you!" And getting Ellis's confusion that all the aliens would prefer he just be himself.
Thus revealing an entire galaxy of sociopathic aliens. Each race believes it's the only one to feel (or not feel) that way to fool the others, until Linphe and his new human associate start spreading the word.
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Story 1: I expected Ellis to be an android or something.
Story 2: It reminds me of Syndrome's quote from _The Incredibles:_ When everyone's super (armed), no one will be.
For story 1 the humans need to start recruiting more high functioning Aspies for ambassador roles. We feel and have morals but aren't big on body language or hidden meanings.
In regards to the first story: yes.
This is why I avoid most social situations if I can, it's just burdensome to have to put on the act.
I'm Similar. But rather then pretending to have emotions, I mask my excessive emotions in order to appear more balanced and carefree for the most part.
I kinda agree with this, with the exception of me not being a psychopath, just a mildly autistic sociopath.
@@MrSuperbeast92 Yeah, it's one thing to have to mask myself by emulating what others feel but which I do not: I can't even imagine how trying it must be for the other side of that coin - you people who are manic or have some form of mania and have to try and constantly steer their little boat of sanity against out right torrents of emotionality.
I think it's one of the few arenas where each side of the divider legitimately thinks their own side has greener grass.
why act though? i dont and im well aware of the exceedingly limited range of emotion
@@ObservingLibertarian A lot of people have emotional dysregulation actually, it's a really common symptom of ADHD/ADD and really messes up the capacity to hold friendships because you become quick to anger and can't maintain your emotions in check and "socially acceptable", basically people with this type of problem have to swim on lava while the others have to deal with a small puddle. Then other people become insulted when ADHD people get overwhelmed
If you can't feel emotions very well I don't expect you to be sympathetic or feel anything towards this really but try to be aware other people are conscious living beings.
Also a therapist(psychologist) may help with emotionally numbness or even psychopathy with treatment. You could try that to feel more emotions if you really don't feel much/anything at all.
Story 1:
The way the story goes, it's pretty clear that Ellis is a psychopath especially with the line "As soon as he (Linphe) turned his body, Ellis's body turned blank again." It's also heavily implied that what Ellis was doing was faking emotions to manipulate Linphe into buying drinks. Interesting story when you dig into the the intricacies of it.
I uhh.... had a more dark takeaway from that..... like he murdered his own friend and..... he was faking the emotions to not be found out and well the next victim on that list was the alien.... based on this whole night was gonna be a long one....
@@pokemongamer6021 the story is certainly vague enough that you could interpret it in multiple ways.
It was clear the moment Ellis was introduced as being "uncomplicated".
@@VelaiciaCreator
It was either that or autism. Once he made the comment about some people just psychopaths though I knew what was gonna happen.
Reminds me of that one story where they had a group of alien cops transporting a human criminal that just watched everyone with cold dead eyes, and at point he escapes and tries to eat someone leading to the one human on the crew making a comment about the uncanny valley.
love how the story has an autistic character and everybody jumps to sociopathic or murder.... gods it's exusing living life being so casually hated by everybody who hasn't even MET me.
Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.
- Robert E. Howard
Way too true online and in States such as California.
Psychopath vs sociopath: very important distinction.
I have heard there is no difference between either. Yes yes I have seen the definition of the words.. some physiologist believe there is not differnce between the 2.
Both have a hard time with emotions (love&never ending hate). sociopaths have lost their emotions through experiences with society, and thus likely express the later
@@beingsneakyNeither is officially defined medical terminology. It's jargon to distinguish a difference between the two, as both fall under the DSM-5 "Antisocial Personality Disorder."
My understanding of it is psychopaths have some form of psychosis (disconnection from reality) whereas sociopaths lack normal emotions or a conscience but are otherwise sane.
Story 1: Kinda wish Linphe would have recognized Ellis was a psychopath, but then I guess the latter is just that good at manipulation.
Story 2: The last line says it perfectly.
Not having any emotions sounds pretty useful given that most are negative anyway. Then again without emotions there is often no reason to do anything.
You apparently also become apathetic
Many overlook the useful functions emotions serve, and mainly only notice when they interfere with stuff. Just think about how often you've decided between two options because you liked one more. Yes one usually can justify such choices later, but that doesn't invalidate the fact they made an emotion based decision.
Or hell consider all the little risk factors in day to day life, then consider that usually this is handled intuitively as fear
The problem with a lack of, or dulled sense of emotions is that it leaves the mind in a state of pure, one track analysis. Like a state of 1s and 0s, dos and donts, a scale weighing odds.
The issue is that unlike a computer, this scale is capable of self governing, tweaking, and making changes to itself. And it has the ability to ask dirty questions like whether something is worth bothering with or not. No sense of motivation or drive to keep up momentum, but simply a question of whether to try, or to not, to continue, or to stop.
And this question is what breaks the scale. Because it can be applied to anything. Everything. A small problem like does the scale want a cup of coffee? A question in whether it is more beneficial for the scale to lean towards it's associated colleagues for an after hours dinner to potentially gain more opportunities, or to pull some extra hours and get some more money in the wage in the short term. Risk vs. reward. But then it asks this silly question. Is any of it worth it? Does any of it matter? Is there a benefit for the scale to continue being a scale, versus simply no longer existing?
Your scale has been given depression. I hope you're proud of yourself, you sadistic bastard.
Yes and no. Emotions and basic drives interact, but they're not the same thing. Without emotional responses and ingrained morality, you have something as intelligent and capable as a human that has the basic animal impulses to drive it:
If hungry, eat.
If threatened, kill.
If horny, mate.
High-functioning psychopaths still have reasons to do things -- they just see other people as either Obstacle, Tool or Other. Are you their boss? Tool. Are you their competitor? Obstacle. Mate? Tool. (Psychopaths rarely have children. They have no emotional investment in providing another generation, and infants are Obstacles until they become Tools. Highly impractical in the short-term.)
Emotions are overwhelmingly positive, depression is actually a troubling lack of emotions (specifically happiness and sadness).
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Story 1: Very sad, not sure where the story was going though.
Story 2: Oh I really liked that one.
I think the first story is saying that the terran is a psycho because the terran explains how a psycho works(emotionally,body language,and attitude) and the alien did t get it because the alien basically said that the terran was easy to talk to because he (technically) further description of a psycho. At least that's what I think.
@@vanta_8lack591
Specifically he was the second type of psychopath who’s mostly harmless but extremely manipulative.
He lied about morning the loss of an old friend for empathy points and free beer, was probably living among aliens because they’re easier to manipulate, and the but at end where he suddenly started showing a lot more subtle emotions and commented of it being tiring night was him realizing that he managed to cozy up to the one alien who might catch on to him if he didn’t step up his a game.
@@kyriss12 Never thought that far. Thanks for pointing that out.
Huh, #1 went in the complete opposite direction I thought it would, I thought it was about autism and there was going to be a reveal where yeah I feel the emotions just fine, And I find other humans very stressful as well. I was not expecting it to just take that turn and end right there...
True, same
The second one should only allow human shields to medics
"Humans are exhausting"
As an introvert, I thoroughly agree. And for both the reasons of the aliens _and_ Ellis. I'm no psychopath but I'm not naturally very _expressive_ of my emotions or particularly perceptive of other people's expressions so it takes some effort to deal with people without accidentally offending them or creeping them out, on top of the innate emotional drain of spending too much time around people as an introvert.
[Everyone pointing out that the human, Ellis, was psychopath]
[No one seeming to realize that both the human and the alien were *_both_* psychopaths]
Um actually 🤓 the aliens are just less expressive and have a lesser range of emotions, and psychopaths aren’t without emotions and morality just empathy and the natural body language that comes with it. which is something the story got wrong.
No, they are not. Ellis is a psychopath, because his genetics, neurological patterns and behaviour deviate significantly from the human average. The alien though was perfectly normal for his species (or at least, that can be savely assumed) and thus, not a psychopath.
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"The alien though was perfectly normal for his species"
...Which does not preclude psychopathy. You can leave now. Thanks.
@@thebiggorp1623 That is actually not completely true as well. Psychopaths show a distinct lack of emotions. Sociopaths on the other hand _do_ have emotions, but are incapable of controlling them. And of course, there are endless shades of grey in between.
But the one thing that must be said about psychopaths is that they are _not_ capable of empathy, at least not in the normal sense. They will feel no scruples whatsoever when following their goals and they are incapable of feeling remorse or guilt. Many psychopaths are really good though when it comes to _faking_ emotions or emotional response, the story actually descripes that quite perfectly.
Funny enough, people usually and falsely assume that the opposite is true for Aspies like I am. They often seem to think that we don't have emotions, but can sometimes fake them quite convincingly.
@@Furzkampfbomber that is even less true. Sociopaths feel more aggression and are more impulsive not that they feel more emotions than psychopaths. The only emotion psychopaths are properly lacking in as you said is remorse. But that isn’t an absolute ether they can feel remorse for doing an action that has resulted in negative consequences for them the same with guilt they feel like if they tell the truth it will negate negative consequences. This is quote helps
“It is not uncommon that the emotions of an individual with strong psychopathic traits are dysregulated, often intense, with a tendency to be toward the negative end of the spectrum when they are under-stimulated (e.g., the newness of a partner has worn off).
Non-psychopathic individuals often feel that these individuals lack in emotion because they are consistently self-centered, non-empathic, callous, and cold.”
Dr. Rhonda Freeman (clinical neuropsychologist)
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Story 2: the last line says it all.
Story 2: I can feel the smug energy radiating off the humans.
Fish actors keep changing. Check nitrates (with energy!!).....Oh the humanity, guppy I knew the well.
Love the channel.
Psychopaths don't lack emotion, they just have a different range of emotions than most people do, and compassion doesn't come naturally to them. I think I read somewhere that they don't have as many (or maybe any) mirror neurons, so they have to think consciously about how other people might feel, if they even bother to try. It creates a disconnect from other people, one similar to the hypo-empathetic end of the autism spectrum, but taken a lot further; autistic people generally don't lack empathy, they just can't always understand why someone feels a certain way. Being not great at reading body language and not having much interest in socializing with other people (or socializing in other ways) tends to add to this disconnect. Even hyper-empathetic autistic people like me can struggle to figure out why someone is feeling a certain way, usually in the form of realizing someone is upset and being confused about why they're upset.
Mainly what it boils down to is psychopaths can read body language just fine but don't subconsciously connect what they read to their own experiences at all -- IE they don't feel what others feel because the mechanism by which most people do that subconsciously doesn't exist, so they have to figure things out consciously, which then is like clinical scientific detachment taken to the extreme. It's like they're a human studying an alien species.
Meanwhile autistic people are unable to read a large spectrum of allistic (non-autistic) body language, and what parts of it they *can* read they're not always able to relate to their own experiences, IE "I know what being sad feels like, I've been sad. But why is that person sad about (x)? I wouldn't be if it happened to me." So for autistic people it's like *we're* the aliens living among humans.
If that's confusing, think of it this way: psychopaths don't subconsciously make the connection that the people they study are the same species as them, which can make treating them well a struggle to even care about on top of a struggle to DO. Whereas autistic people, we know subconsciously we're human, that others are people like us, and we project our own experiences onto them and get confused when those don't line up. It feels a lot like culture shock. I even sometimes say "I get culture shock from the culture I was raised in." We care what others think of us, we don't like when we've hurt someone, but both are a constant struggle, and our own feelings get hurt when we fail. Meanwhile a psychopath doesn't really care about things like that beyond camouflage. Not that psychopaths can't have care about people, it's just... it's like Lt. Commander Data in Star Trek saying he didn't feel affection as a human would, but he still experienced something like affection by preferring the input of being around people he liked, and experienced something like grief when they were gone. Both of these weren't feelings, because he didn't feel them---they came from a place of intellect. But the effects were similar.
Bleh. I don't know if I'm making any sense with this. Just... I think yeah, it can be boiled down to psychopaths are like aliens hiding amongst humans and not feeling much about it beyond blending in, while autistic people are different. Like the difference between someone who came here willingly to study human culture and has a way back home whenever they want to leave (psychopaths) versus someone whose ship crash landed here on the way to a vacation destination, stranding them, and they just want to be liked by the locals but struggle and feel hurt when they fail. (Autistics.)
I wouldn't say like aliens. They do have emotions. They feel them just the same. Depending on who you are they can feel like someone turned the volume down on them or up. The problem lies in the idea that they ARE matching the emotions they think you feel. If you go through life on volume 1 and everyone elses emotions seem like 10 when interacting with you. You match that to interact. Some become convinced that the depth of the emotions is similar and they are also acting. Hence why things will not bother them as much as they see the small emotions as just that small. But that's just what I have found.
That's not exactly what the quote "An armed society is a polite society" means but it works.
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#1 is strange one, so much different possibilities
Story 2, people get offended allot less often proportional to the dakka on display. Yeah I may not survive but mutual sucide is fine if one is so easily offended. Violence isn't the only answer but it's always AN answer. If violence dont work, use more violence.
People are awfully brave when they think themselves immune from consequences. Knowing there is a point that is unacceptable is considered healthy boundaries.
I hear too often people using "can't do that", there is a huge difference in what someone is allowed to do and can do.
Story 1: I caaaaan relaaaaate! (Ellis is a psychopath, tldr; a stunted ability to experience emotion (unless some decent (and bad) trauma to the head occours, such is the case with me))
It was an over generalization. Having a flat affect is a muted emotional response, meaning they don't display emotion outwardly as much. No real evil or negative traits associated with that.
Also forgetting that once people realize they are talking fast to someone who does not speak the language they slow down and use simpler words. Human's emotional responses would be limited because it would be considered more polite to be less expressive to other species.
It's just a very dismissive take on a more complex topic focusing on just one outcome. By that logic not laughing at jokes you do not find funny is a mark of a sociopath.
I see a great future for the alien in human resources.
Unfortunately, I knew a sociopath far too closely for far too long. I knew him closer than anyone; he actually shared many of his internal thoughts with me, and unfortunately, by the time I'd realized just how toxic a presence they were on my life, he'd become so intertwined in my thought processes that it took years to fully extricate myself from him.
However, I did learn one important detail; That sociopaths CAN feel emotions and even grief and empathy, they're just so good at hiding these emotions, even from themselves, that they don't register any of them except in the most extreme situations. There were a few brief moments I saw his facade crack, even from himself.
Luckily, he's "getting proper treatment and care", now, and I live my life seperate from that... manipulative monster.
Are we sure that Ellis' "Friend" actually exists or was it just a story used to manipulate our POV character?
God that pistol had countless augments and still had room for a knife.
#2 surprised me
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"I suggest we don't involve human weaponry in this war"
"Agreed, it's WAY too overkill"
From where is the animation at the beginning?
What animation? Don’t you know this is a fish watching channel? With background narration of course.
Story 1: Animals operating on instinct HAVE emotions, and apparently from what researchers have found - morality. Some animals also are born without empathy - but with most animals, they kill this animal rather then letting them survive to harm others of their species. We humans thing we are above animals, maybe we are not. Story 2: Well, humans can always sell other things.
Story 2: Weapons of Peace ✌️😎
I kind of hope that's not your actual tank. Tricolor sharks (the active silver guy with black fins) get far too large for that aquarium
Humans are exausting. Yes we do waste a A LOT of steam misunderstanding each other, talking in circles and other absurdly human games that make no sense even to us.
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neat
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My cats enjoy these so much more with the fish.
My great great great, not so great, great grand pappy bought this here rifle. She still works like a beut, too bad they dont make em anymore
-alien dave
That thumbnail tho 😂😂😂😂😂
An armed society is a polite one indeed, a bladed society is bloody brutal...
im not so sure given for the propensity duels being fought in 19th century US when weapons and ego are present society can become very very volant
@@Tommy-5684 indeed sir, I was referring to taking firearms away like the British, homicide has only gotten more brutal
@@whatsawigwag2590 i mean dose the US not have one the highest rates of Violent crime of any developed country at 398.5 per 100,000 people compared with 1.2 violent crimes per 100,000 in the UKbased on the stats i could find
@@Tommy-5684 of course one is an island with repressive laws one is a free country with fatherless homes Godless schools with greed violence and being a 304 is pop culture but why are people dying to get hear if it's as bad as the TV tells you it is
@@whatsawigwag2590 my statistcs came from the FBI not from TV. i mean Mexico is in essence in an arrive war and Guatemala Nicaragua and Honduras are the same, Colombia has been fighting an insurgency since the mid 60s . so when compared to active warzones and countrys with some of the highest homicide rates in the world the US may look better but it is by far not the best place to be as evidenced by your high homicide and violent crime rates for developed countries.
First story. Alien learns the meaning of uncanny valley
I thought what was described was a sociopath. Psychopath have overwhelming emotion, usually anger.
The fish are so much bigger now compared do the early days... though, fewer...? Idk
Story 1. Ellis is among the 2%... On the spectrum, he seems to tend to the asocial end, or, the safe end.
Damn the first video I guess the guy was a psychopath but damn it I didn't think I was right
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hahaha story 2 the dakka is real
Thank you for the video. Sadly, the second part doesn't seem to be true.
We haven't developed shielding to that level yet. Give it time, if we survive ourselves long enough.
@@robertstoneking7916 That's fair.
How many wars have been directly fought between nuclear armed nations since ww2?
The answer is just that we don't commit enough to the idea. Once every man woman and child has access to an arsenal able to glass the earth, peace shall be achieved.
Or else.
"An armed society is a polite society."
That was true at one time.
Did Ellis kill his friend?
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3mins in.. Ellis is a pscyopath, isn't he?
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As an american. I can say that quote is a lie. An armed society isn't always polite. I'm still an asshole with no regard for life. Though the last part I grew into. I've always been an asshole.
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Psychopaths! I hate the name. it refers to people who were born without the affliction of empathy. We are called narcissist's and all sorts of lies , just because we don't bleed every time a puppy is run over by a car.
Funny enough, one of us can be the best person to have in your life. As long as its in our interest that you prosper, we'll expend energy on your happiness to an insane degree. As long as it enhances our happiness, we 'll do our utmost to make you happy.
We maybe ruthless competitors, but please remember we did not make the rules.
Some call us manipulative, To which i answer HA! POT KETTLE BLACK? Like you dont use your emotions like club all the time ?
one word of caution, you never ever want to abuse a born right person. We will turn your life into a horror novel. You have been warned.
We keep telling you to leave these mutant apes alone, you go and buy their weapons! Are you feeling collectively suicidal?
In one thing they are right though, an armed society is a polite one. Their honour cultures worked for millennia, before some female with her betta orbiters decided to change that.
To her defence, she was trying to save her son from being murdered by his own people, the brat was insufferable i understand, but that is no excuse.
The crimes and oppression that followed, are a stellar lesson against social engineering.
Point 1: you literally JUST said you weren’t a narcissist, and then proceeded to say someone only matters if you like them.
Point 2: actually, most corporate executives are psychopathic or sociopathic. So, you DO make the rules. And, psychopaths are significantly more prone to being manipulative in studies, and as you have somewhat stated in point 3. Also you are no born without the “affliction” of empathy, empathy is a basic building block of early society and as such is generally a positive. If someone was dying in a forest and you could save them but no-one would know, and thus it could not benefit you, would you save them? Also thanks for the blatant threat, come at me. I have 23 security cameras and a heart monitor to automatically send the files from the cameras to a police station, along with an automatic call informing the police I am likely dead. I honestly don’t know why I did it fun summer project lol but u ain’t gunna touch this
Nvm I can phrase point one better: you only care about someone if they bring YOU joy, as you have stated.
@@electricheisenberg5723 Should you care about a person that doesn't?
@@Zippyser would you like them to?
@@electricheisenberg5723 I think that's misleading, if a person does or doesn't care for you you are not required to care for them.
An armed society is an armed society. Nothing more.
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