M.2 System-on-Module Hardware Design - Phil's Lab

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  • Tiny M.2 form-factor system-on-module design walkthrough, featuring small BGA-package STM32F4 microcontroller, SDRAM, QSPI FLASH, and more.
    Tips on schematic & PCB design, including BGA packages, pin-out, M.2 interface standards, ...
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    00:00 Introduction
    01:02 Altium Designer Free Trial
    01:29 Hardware Design Course
    01:58 System-on-Modules
    04:17 M.2 Interface
    08:06 Block Diagram
    09:54 Part Choices
    10:30 Schematic Overview
    11:51 MCU Pin-Out
    13:12 SDRAM Schematic
    14:08 Series Termination
    14:49 I/O
    16:08 Power & Decoupling
    16:50 Serial Wire Debug (SWD)
    17:13 M.2 Connections
    17:56 MCU Pin-Out Flexibility
    18:41 PCB Overview
    20:50 Tag-Connect SWD Header
    21:17 Layers
    22:21 BGA Fan-Out
    24:04 BGA Power & Decoupling
    25:34 SDRAM
    27:01 Additional Tips
    28:32 Edge Connector Routing
    29:36 SWD Routing
    30:41 Carrier Board (Future Video)
    31:35 Outro
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  • @PhilsLab
    @PhilsLab  ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Thanks for watching! The new advanced hardware design course is out - you can check out the content here: www.phils-lab.net/courses

  • @dr.med.janschiefer7163
    @dr.med.janschiefer7163 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Your PCB design videos are always the best you can find on TH-cam!

    • @PhilsLab
      @PhilsLab  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you very much, Jan!

  • @tylergeneharrison3594
    @tylergeneharrison3594 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Dude, you keep me excited about engineering! Wicked cool design mate!

    • @PhilsLab
      @PhilsLab  ปีที่แล้ว

      That's great to hear - thank you, Tyler!

  • @rallymax2
    @rallymax2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Another excellent, educational, enjoyable, elegantly enlightening tutorial Phil.
    The SWD stub termination by placing the resistors at the tag-connect was inspired.

    • @PhilsLab
      @PhilsLab  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you very much for your kind comment!

  • @mbeechey
    @mbeechey ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Brilliant, thanks Phil. Love your videos - as someone who doesn't have an EE academic background (ML/network security), but found myself in a job whereby I am required to take on such responsibilities, your videos are a massive help. Looking forward to checking out your new course.

    • @PhilsLab
      @PhilsLab  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you very much, Matt - I'm very glad to hear that the videos have been helpful! I hope you like the course and all the best for your job :)

  • @Ru21Ben
    @Ru21Ben ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hey man. Thanks for teaching me about the ground return vias, never would have thought about that.. seems as if our current pcb prototype needs a second one. 😅

  • @pietrogagliano4484
    @pietrogagliano4484 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Awesome video Phil! It's always been a fascination of mine to begin exploring the utilization of m.2 form factors! As with your other topical videos the m.2 form factor videos certainly give a foundational understanding of these interfaces!

    • @PhilsLab
      @PhilsLab  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you very much, Pietro - I agree M.2 is such a cool form factor!

  • @Archnemesis88
    @Archnemesis88 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another video that is absolute gold! I love these videos that break down the schematic and layout all at once, helps with thinking about the big picture when it comes to design

    • @PhilsLab
      @PhilsLab  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you very much, Michael!

  • @mikeselectricstuff
    @mikeselectricstuff ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I you had any MCU pins not routed to the M2 connector, it might have been useful to stick a couple of LEDs on the board. Maybe also some accessible test pads for debug outputs.

  • @DonMuffatello
    @DonMuffatello 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Still blows my mind that they don't teach board design at uni in EE. I mean what else are EEs meant to even do

    • @thewld2
      @thewld2 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      EE graduates are entry level placeholders. Only true enthusiast keep elevating in knowledge and positions in the industry.

  • @CuriousMaker609
    @CuriousMaker609 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Great video. I didn't know that M.2 form factor had standard dimensions.

    • @damny0utoobe
      @damny0utoobe ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Why wouldn't it? It is a standard right?

  • @exciton007
    @exciton007 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The little brain is a very good idea! Thanks for the video❤

  • @danedwards_ee
    @danedwards_ee ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great idea using a microcontroller!
    I'm currently using the rPi CM4 as a system on module and designing my own custom carrier board.

    • @PhilsLab
      @PhilsLab  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks, Daniel! Sounds like an awesome project - good luck with your design!

  • @vigneshperiyasamy3019
    @vigneshperiyasamy3019 ปีที่แล้ว

    What a workmanship!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • @PhilsLab
      @PhilsLab  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks, Vignesh!

  • @TechnopolisDotTV
    @TechnopolisDotTV ปีที่แล้ว

    11:25 and 15:18 you mentioned CAN 🤩 I can't wait for it!

  • @jakubvanek5723
    @jakubvanek5723 ปีที่แล้ว

    Perfect video Phil!

    • @PhilsLab
      @PhilsLab  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you, Jakub!

  • @gsuberland
    @gsuberland ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I've been thinking about building an ESP32 SoM with some standard "I use these in every design" parts for a while. The NodeMCU / DOIT style boards are by far the most cost effective approach, with a whole board (ESP32 module, CP2102 or similar, AMS1117, USB connector, LEDs, etc.) typically costing less than just the ESP32-WROOM module would at qty50 from JLC, but the TH pin header connectivity isn't great for compact designs and the power delivery side of it leaves a lot to be desired.

  • @kalimist4217
    @kalimist4217 ปีที่แล้ว

    one more amazing stuff, i fell in love with your scientific drawing-designing perspectivity.
    ill be honest, i totally cloned that skillsets, acting kind, perspective from you and almost totally that channel.. i totally cloned, steal, i hope that wont turns me a idea thief, but if it, i dont care thats really feels good when my stuffs starting appear. thats because of your channel:)...
    Cong. and really thankfull to you because of bringing that lesson kind stuffs to us.
    Appreciated. the best thing i did in my life is joining that channel and knowing u and ur stuffs.
    Endless Thanks to you again.

    • @PhilsLab
      @PhilsLab  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you very much! :)

  • @rolfdieterklein
    @rolfdieterklein ปีที่แล้ว

    cool idea to use the M2 form factor. Gets me an idea for our new modular space transceivers (currently in space move 2 )
    , currently we used a solder on system with edge solders to have a modular system - I have to check the form factor , but the connectors are really great. Hope they can be used in space, might have to make some vaccum and shake tests...

  • @robv3872
    @robv3872 ปีที่แล้ว

    Such a great channel - now I want to design a zynq M.2 module!

    • @PhilsLab
      @PhilsLab  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks, Rob!

  • @steffenmeyer9461
    @steffenmeyer9461 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i'm actually doing something similar now, just that the main brain, that mostly will stay the same, will be the backplane/motherboard and then the Module is the one that will change depending on the need. actually the base motherboard i'm currently designing will have 3 module spaces that all should be able to talk to each other :D those modules then add either processing power or some sort of IO. the software side of that will be fun too :P though this motherboard will be not so generic as the SoM from the video.
    but definitely learned something here that will help me in those Designs ^^

  • @irukard
    @irukard ปีที่แล้ว

    Sparkfun MicroMod... Inventend once again :D

  • @qqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq7
    @qqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I would recommend using a little bit longer power input pins at card edge connection so the power is delivered first. Otherwise great video as usual :)

  • @vmiguel1988
    @vmiguel1988 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks Phil

    • @PhilsLab
      @PhilsLab  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for watching!

  • @pawanv86
    @pawanv86 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fantastic video Phil! I was just thinking about AIO Drone FCs. It's crazy to even imagine that manufacturers build PCBs capable of handling close to 140A burst in a 30.5x30.5mm form factor while having sensitive equipment such as the ARM chip on the same little square

    • @PhilsLab
      @PhilsLab  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you! Yeah, there are some pretty amazing, tiny PCBs out there!

  • @vibram500
    @vibram500 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome project. I hope you will show a module with Human machine interface. This would be awesome

  • @marek_ryn
    @marek_ryn ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice idea :) I would only add separate Vbat connection on M.2 connector. Especially that you decided to install 32,768 kHz quartz on your board. This would give you possibility to design carrier boards with battery backup and use full potential of integrated RTC peripheral and MCU backup domain.

  • @tinnoc
    @tinnoc 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    First time watching your channel, subscribed! Interesting that you didn't route PA4 & PA5 that are generally where ST places their DAC outputs. I was looking for inspiration for doing my own SOM as most commercially available ones are from the STM32MP1 series. I will do mine with the M.2 connector as well that is great idea, wasn't aware that the connectors where so inexpensive. Thanks!

  • @danedwards_ee
    @danedwards_ee ปีที่แล้ว

    A point on the BGA fanning out. How do you deal with the change of reference plane vias? or does it not make that much of a difference if the stitching via is a bit further away? You can see some of the groupings don't (relatively) have transfer vias too close. Would this be something a blind via would help with?
    Doh! You mentioned it later. but still is there a distance that would be considered too "far"?

  • @sarbog1
    @sarbog1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very cool....... plan to look into this for model railroad control via DCC. DCC-EX is releasing version 5.0 of command station which will work with STM32F4... Imagine ...design my own mother board and just plugin the STM32F4 module. Using my own mother board I can expand my layout very easily and cheaper than buying proprietary expensive products.

  • @andymouse
    @andymouse ปีที่แล้ว

    Fascinating, I think it's a great idea ! a sort of grown up Arduino on steroids, I shall enjoy what's to come.....cheers.

    • @PhilsLab
      @PhilsLab  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks a lot, Andy!

  • @PeopleAndroid
    @PeopleAndroid ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks Phill for the videos. Have you considered to write a book about hardware and PCB design, like a student guide/ textbook or something like that?

    • @PeopleAndroid
      @PeopleAndroid ปีที่แล้ว

      It would also be cool to see the SOM working or kinda of projects with it.

  • @MHBGT
    @MHBGT 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I really like the concept of the Tagconnect system, but the availability of the actualy mating connector was a huge issue so we reverted to a Molex PicoLock edge connector for programming.

  • @kmacademy6742
    @kmacademy6742 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very cool project and idea, I think it would be the perfect project for a Kicad 7 tutorial.
    Out of curiosity, why did you go with M.2 connector instead of, for example, Raspberry Pi CM4 connectors and do you plan to become an OEM?

  • @jeremyglover5541
    @jeremyglover5541 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks Phil!! Thanks very much for this great video mate. its funny. I'm working on a high quality integrated audio DSP system at the moment, with multichannel DAC, ADC, DSP, Class D poweramp, along with all the required control and peripheral ie embedded MCU and CPU. I had designed in M.2 connectors for testing different combinations in IV stage/power supply and interface, for the prototyping phase, before deciding on final config and building all on one board. I ended up canning the idea as springing for hard gold on everything increased the manufacturing cost substantially.
    Do you think its ok to use standard ENIG if its just for prototyping? As it stands i'm using 6 layer ENIG with 2oz outer/1oz inner (panelized and I need this for some power and high current; I know its not ideal for plane cap) and smallest and epoxy filled via in pad (complimentary with advanced PCBs at JLPCB now) so everything else is sorted, just worried about ENIG vs hard gold.
    The most important one I would still like to use itr for if possible is the XMOS and MCU board, with 2 way i2s. I would much prefer to put this on a module for other projects and its a far nicer interface vs a stacking header or even FPC cable/connector. and I can just put it right at the edge, it doesnt have to be an 'edge connector' (castellated) capability, right? this feature again makes PCBs increase 200-300%. At that time I costed it I was only using 4 layer and not via in pad, but as this capability has gotten cheaper and my design more complex; I increased to 6 layer with via in pad and ENIG, but adding hard gold is a bridge too far and i'll just go without if thats required.

  • @PeetHobby
    @PeetHobby ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A Dev board with a fancy connector. 😁
    I like the form factor you choose, perfect for the job. The only draw side is the relatively high cost of the m.2 connectors. Well, since you use an MCU for a mere 12 bucks, I don't think a $2 connector will be a big deal.😋

    • @PhilsLab
      @PhilsLab  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks!
      Haha yeah, the MCU + RAM does outweigh the connector cost by quite a bit.. I do love the look of the M.2 form factor boards as well though.

  • @kamaldeen4738
    @kamaldeen4738 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Philip, am using your stm32h7 flight controller for agricultural spraying drone as my project, is it enough to use those sensors you used on the schematic? If not, list the needed sensors and where to connect them please. I really love your work Philip. Big Man

  • @isaacclark9825
    @isaacclark9825 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great content as always. I am inspired to do my own SOM with some BGA parts on it!
    As I understand it, you didn't need to do any length matching or impedance control for the SDRAM interface? Interesting.

    • @PhilsLab
      @PhilsLab  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks, Isaac!
      Delay tuning only 'within reason'. Typically, as a rough rule, I aim for within 2.5% of the clock period.
      Impedance control is preferable given the rise times, however, for this design not entirely necessary given the length scales.

  • @Biomancer81
    @Biomancer81 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have been contemplating something like this for a long time. A SoM in the M.2 formfactor.

    • @PhilsLab
      @PhilsLab  ปีที่แล้ว

      Awesome, hope you give it a try soon :)

    • @Biomancer81
      @Biomancer81 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@PhilsLab Im not skilled enough to do it yet, but M.2 seemed an ideal form for SoM exactly as you did it.
      I love watching your videos.

  • @bakedbeings
    @bakedbeings 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Something like this (with usb c and a mounting screw) could be sweet for custom mechanical pcbs, versus using a pro micro or teensy. Slot in, add screw, flash via bootloader over usb (with qmk). A radio and lipo support wouldnt hurt either 😊

  • @MikeHarris1984
    @MikeHarris1984 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I am extreamly interested in doing this for my projects. It gives me sort of an upgrade path and expantion capabilities where I can have a lower powered Microproccessor board for smaller projects and then have a higher powered one for bigger ones. Or design a board with a breakout connector for future expantion feeding some UART and power lines over the connector, so in the future, when I built another module, I just plug it into it and have another dedicated esp32soc/stm32/atmega2560 or something to feed those breakouts and communicate back over UART... so influding this in my design makes it so adding capabilities is alot of just update code and plug in.
    My question is, is there an already designed PCB end with the M.2 Key and eveyrhing, or do I have to painstakingly design and hope I got it right in EasyEDA? I would love to test Altium, but 2k a year is way out of my price range for a hobbyest.

  • @prashkd7684
    @prashkd7684 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Phil you should sell the final version of this board as dev board. I'm planning to start a HMI project and would rather use this board as module on my main PCB than starting something like this from scratch.

  • @villadelfia
    @villadelfia ปีที่แล้ว

    Is there any particular reason you chose to forgo using pin 36 of the m.2 connector?

  • @TheShorterboy
    @TheShorterboy 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    LOL what you can still buy a 446???
    Sweet project.
    You should use a high socket so you can route under the module and use smaller boards.

  • @T.Lspitz
    @T.Lspitz 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Im extremely curious about printing my own m.2 nvme pcb blanks and ordering the nand flash chips and memory controllers myself. Would you be willing to do a video on something like that and if its possible??

  • @TehFreek
    @TehFreek ปีที่แล้ว

    This is probably overkill for something intended for internal use only, but offsetting the edge screw cut-out would probably be an effective reminder/indicator that this doesn't use a standard M.2 pinout without affecting the ability to use a standard M.2 connector in any way.

  • @elektronikprojeniyap
    @elektronikprojeniyap หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for affort dude, I have a one question. Why you dont use microvias on STM32F4 components in own components library? Can you put to microvias on stm32f4 pins pad? Sorry about my english. I hope you can understand my question

  • @SiggyPony
    @SiggyPony ปีที่แล้ว

    Very neat :) I need to learn to work the STM32 micro's. I have dev boards but never really got past the basics. Always stuck with Atmel :/

    • @PhilsLab
      @PhilsLab  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks! I have a few videos on hardware & firmware for STM32 MCUs on my channel - those should be useful for getting started I hope.

    • @isaacclark9825
      @isaacclark9825 ปีที่แล้ว

      Warning. Working with cortex M4 and M7 MCUs can take over your life. When you notice yourself telling folks to buy you test equipment for Christmas, you'll know you've gone too far.

  • @imabeapirate
    @imabeapirate ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Sparkfun does this with their MicroMod line. is your design compattible?

    • @PhilsLab
      @PhilsLab  ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm afraid it isn't compatible with the Sparkfun stuff, as I'm just doing this as a personal project.

  • @sriyugenther2227
    @sriyugenther2227 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi sir , pls upload the bideo for that carrier board with m.2 slot so that i cam learn more about that pcb too. Thank you

  • @jamegumb7298
    @jamegumb7298 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Audio processing? Could it be used for say connecting to pc through usb and use as a soundcard/dac? surround sound for example?

    • @PhilsLab
      @PhilsLab  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, that's right! Just need to create a carrier board with suitable circuitry (USB connector, audio CODEC, power supplies, analogue front-ends, ...).

  • @MuhammadQasimRauf
    @MuhammadQasimRauf ปีที่แล้ว

    Great work as usual Phil. Thumbs up.
    I had a question I've been meaning to ask you from since a couple of your previous videos. How you're able to override a layer color in layout? I used to do it in schematic part but that would only override partially with boxes of layer color+override color. Hopefully I'm able to get my query across. Thanks

    • @PhilsLab
      @PhilsLab  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks, Muhammad. There are additional settings you need adjust in the PCB editor, which will change how colours are displayed. Altium has a few docs on how to do that.

    • @MuhammadQasimRauf
      @MuhammadQasimRauf ปีที่แล้ว

      @@PhilsLab I searched for 'net overrides' in the preferences section that lead me to the solution. Thanks for your help also ❤️‍🩹

  • @EchONailer
    @EchONailer ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Phil, I was wondering if there is an alternative of the dog bone vias in this design. Is it possible to have a via that is place directly under the BGA pad that has a flat top for the ball to solder too? Great video apologies for the probably, stupid question.

    • @PhilsLab
      @PhilsLab  ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Henry, Yes, that is possible (via-in-pad) but typically quite a bit more expensive. Only really should be done if absolutely needed (high-density, signal integrity reasons, etc...

  • @mohammad.htarokh2891
    @mohammad.htarokh2891 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Were can you find the pcb layout for m.2 boards?

  • @CallistoPili
    @CallistoPili 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    beautiful design. I use Altium at workplace and it is very efficient for high speed stuff, but also I use KiCAD for my personal stuff. This M.2 design is beautiful I know sounds too much but do you have any plan in the future to show new videos about KiCAD specifically with high speed design? thx.

    • @PhilsLab
      @PhilsLab  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thank you very much! I do have a long-form tutorial planned in the near future using KiCad.

  • @alfredomorales9559
    @alfredomorales9559 ปีที่แล้ว

    Any thoughts on sharing the design so we can use this SoM ?

  • @theonlyari
    @theonlyari ปีที่แล้ว

    Did you have to specify anything extra in your fab drawing for the edge connector?

    • @PhilsLab
      @PhilsLab  ปีที่แล้ว

      I typically make a manufacturing drawing highlying the area of the edge connector, as well as directly contacting the manufacturer about it as well.

  • @nicholasmistry4954
    @nicholasmistry4954 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you share how you split the STM32 in the schematic into A/B/C sub-components?

    • @PhilsLab
      @PhilsLab  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      In the schematic symbol editor, when creating a component, go to 'Tools', then 'New Part'.

  • @shivanshuraj7175
    @shivanshuraj7175 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sd ram is word addressed or byte addressed?

  • @vibram500
    @vibram500 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Do you plan to publish this on Git?

  • @BHSAHFAD
    @BHSAHFAD ปีที่แล้ว

    What is the purpose of the R2 resistor? Is it to prevent the clock signal from floating? Also why put series termination resistor on X2, but not X1? Also, how do you choose the resistance value of a series termination resistor (is 22ohm just a good rule of thumb)?

    • @michaelcummings7246
      @michaelcummings7246 ปีที่แล้ว

      If I'm remembering right R2 will have to do with power on setup of the MCU and/or the memory config but I would expect he'll cover that in more detail in the next video. The 22ohm resistors are there to prevent ringing on the CLK lines. Didn't use them on the data or address lines because of the relatively slow speed but the CLK are more sensitive so used them there. There is a reason for the value but don't remember the details just know you see it in many different designs not only by him. Might look at some of his past videos where he goes over high speed bus termination. Stuff to do with the crystals really depends on the ones used and what the MCU requires. The low speed one will typically be much less critical as it is just use for the Real Time Clock vs other which will be critical as it is used by the MCU for main clock and effects the setting for bus timing etc.

  • @user-td1im4mm8m
    @user-td1im4mm8m 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How much current/power per pin M.2 supports ?

  • @cvspvr
    @cvspvr หลายเดือนก่อน

    how long did it take you to make this?

  • @bharatraj32
    @bharatraj32 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What is the application for 32MB SDRAM? Why do you need such huge RAM memory?

  • @ClaytonwFirth
    @ClaytonwFirth ปีที่แล้ว

    Did you need as many ground connections as you have on the M.2.. could you have used more pins from the MCU instead?

    • @ClaytonwFirth
      @ClaytonwFirth ปีที่แล้ว

      Ok. I should have watched the entire video before asking this question. Sorry.

    • @PhilsLab
      @PhilsLab  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's not entirely necessary and you can get away with a lot less. It depends on signal bandwidth and EMI concerns. For a simple 'personal devboard' at these speeds, less would definitely suffice.

  • @hanfman1951
    @hanfman1951 ปีที่แล้ว

    "very simple design" hm really cool but I don't see it as that simple but you doing a great job :O I would say maybe somewhat simple.

  • @tamaseduard5145
    @tamaseduard5145 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    👍🙏❤

  • @tairegaming5464
    @tairegaming5464 ปีที่แล้ว

    Would you perhaps consider selling these,they are s nice package

  • @rdson1621
    @rdson1621 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just wondering, are you living in Germany?!
    Also wondering, are you running your own business or are you an employee?

    • @PhilsLab
      @PhilsLab  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yep, I live in Heidelberg, Germany. And I'm running my own business :)

    • @rdson1621
      @rdson1621 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@PhilsLab Awesome, you made it. That would also be a very interesting video, business owner and what goes along with, the path it takes... I tried too but I failed.
      Cheers from Basel, roughly 250km southern :-)