Since you mentioned learning finnish: Olet varmaankin nähnyt tutkimustuloksia joissa on listattu miten ihmiset arvostavat ammatteja. Ja toisaalta on olemassa palkkatilastot, jotka tarjoavat toisenlaisen mittarin työn arvostuksen vertaamiseen. Nämä kaksi katsantotapaa ovat selvästi ristiriidassa toistensa kanssa. Js sitten tietenkin on sekin, ettei ihmisen arvostaminen ja työtehtävien arvostaminen ole sama asia. Usein vain toisesta ihmisestä tiedetään vain ammatti, joten siksi se vaikuttaa laajemmin. Vain tutut tuntevat ne ihmisen muut puolet.
You’re right, there are various ways to assess the value of professions, including public opinion surveys and salary statistics, which can sometimes present conflicting views. While some professions may earn more than others, Finnish society generally maintains a strong respect for all professions and discourages judgment or ridicule. For example, if someone works as a cleaner, they are not subjected to mockery or gossip (at least not openly). Similarly, teaching is highly respected in Finnish society, whereas in some other countries, the profession might be associated with lower salaries and less respect. What we appreciate about Finnish society is that people can mind their own business, choose any profession they prefer, and earn money in their own way without facing undue criticism.
For office workers it's as you mentioned. But in other kinds of jobs, where operations continue non-stop, getting vacations when you want isn't as simple. There are inevitably conflicts when most people would like to have their vacations at the same time and it's impossible to get competent and experienced summer help for this period. People understand this. Some kind of process is used to resolve the situation so that nobody gets too upset.
Of course, that makes sense! Our experience has been primarily with office work in Finland for years, so we mostly discuss that. However, in positions where you work in a store, a warehouse, or deal with customers around the clock, or where there is shift work, holidays can vary.
@@couple_of_expats There are also the complications arising from international organisations or markets. The vacation season in the middle and southern Europe is more around August than in July. And that affects some office workers in Finland who need to coordinate with the rest of the European or EMEA wide market and activities.
@@just42tube Of course, there isn't a one-size-fits-all approach when it comes to holidays, whether in Finland or elsewhere. We have also noticed that in many small or even mid-sized companies, there are employees who have very specific work tasks requiring special expertise. When they go on holiday, nobody can replace them. Therefore, they are often advised to split their holidays into, for example, a maximum of two weeks at a time.
@@couple_of_expats In a small business CEO and top management have often irreplaceable knowledge and authorisations, which means that they need to check how things are going and perhaps assist remotely on some matters during their vacations. Sales people have their unique customer knowledge and contacts, which also puts them in situations, where they need to monitor and help, if something comes up. Though they often can coordinate their own vacations with their customers and projects. Self-employed people, solo entrepreneurs, don't always have any clear separation of vacations and other times. They are just less reachable, less working during vacations. They also might not have clearly defined office hours or working hours since they need to do what needs to be done. In a world where many people are basically processing information, they can do it remotely with some exceptions. This means that taking vacations isn't technically necessarily a on/off decision. You can do just the most critical tasks in your vacation and delay or delegate to others other tasks. Legislation and labor agreements don't probably really support this, but these people often are in positions where they can themselves influence a lot or decide how and when they work.
Hmm. Weather gets depressing when the UV index stays above 4 for a significant part of the day and temperatures stay above 25 C⁰ with high humidity. It's possible we have slightly different preferences 😂
Juniors in any case are less experienced and generally less knowledgeable. Others understand that and might allow more nonsense from them, if it seems to come with good intentions. But others also expect more justifications to support juniors opinions. They don't get the same weight and influence so easily. Some juniors are so eager to show what they can and with their opinions that they end up proving their inexperience and unsuitability to be without supervision.
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I can learn finnish and go to the gym. Love that! Balanced life. All professions are respected. relaxed summer
Since you mentioned learning finnish:
Olet varmaankin nähnyt tutkimustuloksia joissa on listattu miten ihmiset arvostavat ammatteja.
Ja toisaalta on olemassa palkkatilastot, jotka tarjoavat toisenlaisen mittarin työn arvostuksen vertaamiseen.
Nämä kaksi katsantotapaa ovat selvästi ristiriidassa toistensa kanssa.
Js sitten tietenkin on sekin, ettei ihmisen arvostaminen ja työtehtävien arvostaminen ole sama asia. Usein vain toisesta ihmisestä tiedetään vain ammatti, joten siksi se vaikuttaa laajemmin. Vain tutut tuntevat ne ihmisen muut puolet.
You’re right, there are various ways to assess the value of professions, including public opinion surveys and salary statistics, which can sometimes present conflicting views. While some professions may earn more than others, Finnish society generally maintains a strong respect for all professions and discourages judgment or ridicule.
For example, if someone works as a cleaner, they are not subjected to mockery or gossip (at least not openly). Similarly, teaching is highly respected in Finnish society, whereas in some other countries, the profession might be associated with lower salaries and less respect. What we appreciate about Finnish society is that people can mind their own business, choose any profession they prefer, and earn money in their own way without facing undue criticism.
For office workers it's as you mentioned. But in other kinds of jobs, where operations continue non-stop, getting vacations when you want isn't as simple. There are inevitably conflicts when most people would like to have their vacations at the same time and it's impossible to get competent and experienced summer help for this period.
People understand this. Some kind of process is used to resolve the situation so that nobody gets too upset.
Of course, that makes sense! Our experience has been primarily with office work in Finland for years, so we mostly discuss that. However, in positions where you work in a store, a warehouse, or deal with customers around the clock, or where there is shift work, holidays can vary.
@@couple_of_expats
There are also the complications arising from international organisations or markets. The vacation season in the middle and southern Europe is more around August than in July. And that affects some office workers in Finland who need to coordinate with the rest of the European or EMEA wide market and activities.
@@just42tube Of course, there isn't a one-size-fits-all approach when it comes to holidays, whether in Finland or elsewhere. We have also noticed that in many small or even mid-sized companies, there are employees who have very specific work tasks requiring special expertise. When they go on holiday, nobody can replace them. Therefore, they are often advised to split their holidays into, for example, a maximum of two weeks at a time.
@@couple_of_expats
In a small business CEO and top management have often irreplaceable knowledge and authorisations, which means that they need to check how things are going and perhaps assist remotely on some matters during their vacations.
Sales people have their unique customer knowledge and contacts, which also puts them in situations, where they need to monitor and help, if something comes up. Though they often can coordinate their own vacations with their customers and projects.
Self-employed people, solo entrepreneurs, don't always have any clear separation of vacations and other times. They are just less reachable, less working during vacations. They also might not have clearly defined office hours or working hours since they need to do what needs to be done.
In a world where many people are basically processing information, they can do it remotely with some exceptions. This means that taking vacations isn't technically necessarily a on/off decision. You can do just the most critical tasks in your vacation and delay or delegate to others other tasks. Legislation and labor agreements don't probably really support this, but these people often are in positions where they can themselves influence a lot or decide how and when they work.
Hmm. Weather gets depressing when the UV index stays above 4 for a significant part of the day and temperatures stay above 25 C⁰ with high humidity.
It's possible we have slightly different preferences 😂
Trust me, if I tell my friends about this, they will surely ask "are you crazy" cuz I'm from an Asian country like you.
Juniors in any case are less experienced and generally less knowledgeable. Others understand that and might allow more nonsense from them, if it seems to come with good intentions.
But others also expect more justifications to support juniors opinions.
They don't get the same weight and influence so easily.
Some juniors are so eager to show what they can and with their opinions that they end up proving their inexperience and unsuitability to be without supervision.