The 3 phases of watching a Nizzahon Top10 1) I'm so sure card x is Nr.1 2) Card x is Nr.2, so you pause the video and scratch your head what could be Nr.1 3) You give up and watch the rest of the video. Aaaaand, sudden realization followed by a facepalm :D
You should do a "Top 10 Secret Decks" including: -draft decks that almost no one drafted, like Sam Black's Stream of Thought control in Modern Horizons, or Deathsie's Clear the Mind decks from WAR -decks discovered late into a format, i.e. tier 1 decks that existed but no one thought to create for months or years. I can't remember the examples I've seen but the community can probably help.
Flowstone flood can be nasty... imagine getting a mana dork out turn 1, then stone rain turn 2, then destroy every land for 3 life and a random card from then on. Edit: fixed 'man dork'... even though it was unintentionally funny.
I'm kind of surprised Urza's Bauble doesn't have more points. A free cantrip that also counts as an artifact and also gives a little info seems, like, really strong. Is it because the draw only comes once your opponent's turn arrives?
You know, at first I was going to be worried that there would be no cards with Vintage points on them in this list. Of course, I naturally forgot Mana Crypt exists. Personally, this list has sparked my desire to build a random EDH deck. But not one of those annoying ones with Thieves' Auction and Warp World. But something where I have to gamble. Maybe if I get my odds right we'll finally see "Top 10 Vintage Cards (Minus Power 9)." Also, here is something made by a random number generator, just to get everyone grooving: 84037240
mana crypt probably slips ppls mind bc the random aspect just doesnt matter. its basically a Sol Ring that trades the 1 mana upfront cost for an average of 1.5 dmg/turn. even if you take that damage 4+ times, most decks in Vintage were planning to kill you from 20 anyway so it doesnt really matter.
I stopped playing Magic the Gathering after Mirroden block but I still cannot stop watching videos like this. Thanks for the content. It is very much appreciated.
I took a looong break around the same time... very frustrating time, especially if you were playing extended. I've gotten back into it, mostly drafts but it's a lot of fun. I still hate artifacts, though.
Nice. This reminds me of my worst deck ever I played as a kid: It only contained coin flip cards. Core card was [[Kark's Thumb]]. And then other stuff like [[Stitch in Time]], [[Fiery Gambit]] or [[Mana Clash]]. Roughly 50% of the time it worked :D
In the long, long ago, when I first started playing Magic, before the 4-of-a-card deck construction rule, my brother ran a deck with too many Dark Rituals to count, Mind Twist, Hypnotic Spectre, and quite often, he'd Mind Twist you for 4 or 5 on Turn 1. No coming back from that.
If I remember right Hypnotic Specter was in the first or second historic anthology and I only play historic. And I can count on one hand the amount of times I've seen it played. All of which was only when it just came out, then never again.
The "opponent discards at random" should not be counted on this top 10. They are actually an upgrade from the "opponent choose and discards a card" and not a disavantage ;)
Wow ..and I thought this was about random effects and not .. randomly discard cards or Flip a coin. when i think of a card with a random effect there is only one card for me : Possibility Storm !!!
You forgot that the Efreet made the spell fizzle if it was targeted, which is important if it had a secondary effect. Also, I could genuinely see the Efreet seeing play in a standard deck if cheap boardwipes were common.
@@destructimus "you can counter it" is an arguement you can make about almost any card, so i think force of will is unrelevant here. But i have a hardtime seing it would do more harm then Hymn. It would probobly be used as a one of in some BUG controll builds though
@@nallenthepuh agreed. 2 mana spells offer much less potential than the 3 mana slot. In legacy, if i'm not blitzing out the first 2 turns i'm playing heavy defense, attacking their hand and whatnot. Mind twist would cost 3 to achieve the same result, where I would rather be looking to do something better. Slipping a mind twist by with dark ritual or mana rocks though...
@@destructimus but if the games goes long it one hell of a spell to resolve. But in vintage you have more of the fast mana. A copule of moxes involved and its a diffrent story.
Ignite Memories is missing. Pat Chapin and Gab Nassif played it in the SB of their Dragonstorm decks at the 2007 World Championships. That alone would give it 4 points and there may have been other top results.
So, it actually has 5 points, but for some reason mtgtop8.com doesn't have the sideboard of Chapin's deck included, thus I only counted 3 points. So, you're right, it should be on the list.
Of course, Frenetic Efreet really showed why coin flip cards are bad- nothing like having a premier event come down to whether or not someone wins a coin flip.
I think it would make an excellent video if you could combine your data with the work of a data visualisation channel. Like an "evolution of the best [...] card" kind of vid
Actually I'm not sure hippie wouldn't see play. I think its materially a bit better than thief of sanity, which saw a bit of play. Also, it's only a single color
It's interesting hearing references to vintage, looking at viable decks the other night the prices were between $50k-$100k+ for a deck. That leaves me to believe there's maybe what like 10 people in the world who even actually play vintage lol? is it even a format if there's nobody playing it? Seems vintage is more of a reference to the power 9 than anything else.
There was a point in MtG history when it likely had a similar ratio. But power creep eventually took hold and "random" effects are a lot more controllable now, thus making the older random effects simply not consistently good enough to see legitimate play.
The 3 phases of watching a Nizzahon Top10
1) I'm so sure card x is Nr.1
2) Card x is Nr.2, so you pause the video and scratch your head what could be Nr.1
3) You give up and watch the rest of the video. Aaaaand, sudden realization followed by a facepalm :D
You should do a "Top 10 Secret Decks" including:
-draft decks that almost no one drafted, like Sam Black's Stream of Thought control in Modern Horizons, or Deathsie's Clear the Mind decks from WAR
-decks discovered late into a format, i.e. tier 1 decks that existed but no one thought to create for months or years. I can't remember the examples I've seen but the community can probably help.
“It had a good 1997”, we all did we all did
Ugh period. I wasn't born yet. Simpler times 😔
@@sammysammyson You beat me to it ;)
I graduated from high school in 1997
Glory days!
Ah yes the year i was born
"These days a creature needs to do something upon entering the battlefield to be worth it." *sighs* Yeah...
Interactivity? What's that? We only get immediate value here.
I still love Hippy though. I dont really follow standard, but I'd like to think he would still be good there.
Thief of Sanity is an updated Hypnotic Specter and did see quite some play.
Number one is Hymn to Tourach, calling it now
I'm glad I'm not the only person who forgot about Mana Crypt.
Rip I forgot about crypt too
Does Mana Crypt count, because if so, that one.
Edit:
Ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
Flowstone flood can be nasty... imagine getting a mana dork out turn 1, then stone rain turn 2, then destroy every land for 3 life and a random card from then on.
Edit: fixed 'man dork'... even though it was unintentionally funny.
Flashback exiles itself
@@matthewhartman1855 It has Buyback, not Flashback.
"Swamp, ritual, ritual, hymn, hypnotic... your turn!"
"I... I will cast Fist"
"mountain, Black Lotus, Channel, firebal, HÁÁ!!"
Dark rit > Dark rit > SSG > manamorphose > Colossal Dreadmaw on top > GG
"Mountain, Bolt. Go." "...Hmm."
I'm kind of surprised Urza's Bauble doesn't have more points. A free cantrip that also counts as an artifact and also gives a little info seems, like, really strong. Is it because the draw only comes once your opponent's turn arrives?
it’s because you just play mishra’s bauble instead
You know, at first I was going to be worried that there would be no cards with Vintage points on them in this list. Of course, I naturally forgot Mana Crypt exists.
Personally, this list has sparked my desire to build a random EDH deck. But not one of those annoying ones with Thieves' Auction and Warp World. But something where I have to gamble. Maybe if I get my odds right we'll finally see "Top 10 Vintage Cards (Minus Power 9)."
Also, here is something made by a random number generator, just to get everyone grooving: 84037240
Mana Crypt slipped my mind too. That random downside just feels a bit too insignificant for such a massive boost in mana.
mana crypt probably slips ppls mind bc the random aspect just doesnt matter. its basically a Sol Ring that trades the 1 mana upfront cost for an average of 1.5 dmg/turn. even if you take that damage 4+ times, most decks in Vintage were planning to kill you from 20 anyway so it doesnt really matter.
Gambling in EDH? You could always play the partnered battlebond pair Zndrsplt and Okaun, the Eyes of Wisdom and Chaos
I stopped playing Magic the Gathering after Mirroden block but I still cannot stop watching videos like this. Thanks for the content. It is very much appreciated.
I took a looong break around the same time... very frustrating time, especially if you were playing extended. I've gotten back into it, mostly drafts but it's a lot of fun. I still hate artifacts, though.
thats when i started playing magic. still love artifacts lol
Forgot coin flip was included in the rules, so I didn't expect number one until I saw what number one was
love that you take the extra time to add more than 10 cards to cover more
Nice. This reminds me of my worst deck ever I played as a kid: It only contained coin flip cards. Core card was [[Kark's Thumb]]. And then other stuff like [[Stitch in Time]], [[Fiery Gambit]] or [[Mana Clash]]. Roughly 50% of the time it worked :D
Random...random... Hymn?
Edit: Oh yeah, ugh.
Also, great choice using the Susan Van Camp art for Hymn.
#1 made me lol. I've seen so many people lose the game at the hands of their own card.
In the long, long ago, when I first started playing Magic, before the 4-of-a-card deck construction rule, my brother ran a deck with too many Dark Rituals to count, Mind Twist, Hypnotic Spectre, and quite often, he'd Mind Twist you for 4 or 5 on Turn 1. No coming back from that.
11:12 Mind Twist got unrestricted in Vintage, but it never got unbanned in Legacy.
I used to play with friends Burning Inquiry in my Waste Not deck with Wheel of Fortune and Underworld dreams and it's amazing
If I remember right Hypnotic Specter was in the first or second historic anthology and I only play historic. And I can count on one hand the amount of times I've seen it played. All of which was only when it just came out, then never again.
The "opponent discards at random" should not be counted on this top 10. They are actually an upgrade from the "opponent choose and discards a card" and not a disavantage ;)
Frenetic Efreet was one of my favorite cards. I took a lot of people to school with that card.
Wow
..and I thought this was about random effects
and not .. randomly discard cards or Flip a coin.
when i think of a card with a random effect there is only one card for me : Possibility Storm !!!
Hell yeah, Urza’s Bauble! One my earliest MTG cards!
The idea that Hypnotic Specter wouldn't even be that great in modern Magic is wild.
Standard Magic* :^)
I run Gamble in a Hazoret commander deck. Every single time I've cast it, I end up discarding the card I searched for. :(
Was expecting to see Ignite Memories somewhere on this list. Wasn't it a storm wincon back in it's day?
You forgot that the Efreet made the spell fizzle if it was targeted, which is important if it had a secondary effect.
Also, I could genuinely see the Efreet seeing play in a standard deck if cheap boardwipes were common.
So many of the red random discards make me think: oh that'd be fantastic in a madness deck!
Discard that isn't random is usually better for madness haha
@@NizzahonMagic sure, but having an ancestral recall that the only downside is discarding some cards is way better in a madness deck.
Plus, discarding randomly for madness is a vorthos win.
Mind Twist is still banned in Legacy
Yep
I thought so, but should it be? It could be abused I guess, but force of will and thoughtseize are always there...
@@destructimus "you can counter it" is an arguement you can make about almost any card, so i think force of will is unrelevant here. But i have a hardtime seing it would do more harm then Hymn. It would probobly be used as a one of in some BUG controll builds though
@@nallenthepuh agreed. 2 mana spells offer much less potential than the 3 mana slot. In legacy, if i'm not blitzing out the first 2 turns i'm playing heavy defense, attacking their hand and whatnot. Mind twist would cost 3 to achieve the same result, where I would rather be looking to do something better. Slipping a mind twist by with dark ritual or mana rocks though...
@@destructimus but if the games goes long it one hell of a spell to resolve.
But in vintage you have more of the fast mana. A copule of moxes involved and its a diffrent story.
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Ignite Memories is missing. Pat Chapin and Gab Nassif played it in the SB of their Dragonstorm decks at the 2007 World Championships. That alone would give it 4 points and there may have been other top results.
Do we count sideboards ?
@@joakimandersson7769 he typically does, yes.
So, it actually has 5 points, but for some reason mtgtop8.com doesn't have the sideboard of Chapin's deck included, thus I only counted 3 points. So, you're right, it should be on the list.
Staying up until 1 AM eastern gang
3:41 AM Eastern gang 😎
The G in Magus is hard, not soft.
[/pedantic Rusty]
English pronounciation is another great example of randomness.
I just logged into TH-cam at the right time
Of course, Frenetic Efreet really showed why coin flip cards are bad- nothing like having a premier event come down to whether or not someone wins a coin flip.
I think it would make an excellent video if you could combine your data with the work of a data visualisation channel.
Like an "evolution of the best [...] card" kind of vid
I always think of Mana Crypt as a Mox Ancient Tomb.
Aaaah it's been a while since I've seen a T1 specter...
Goblin Lore isn't card draw, you get 4 and lose 4 (one of which is the Goblin Lore you just played). It's more a cantrip than a draw.
hollow one just one the 2020 vintage championship on MTGO
This list isn't like all the other girls, its a quirky girl. Soooo Random!
Yeah just like my first girlfriend. She randomly dumped me and moved to Colorado lol.
Actually I'm not sure hippie wouldn't see play. I think its materially a bit better than thief of sanity, which saw a bit of play. Also, it's only a single color
I wonder what Mitch would think of that Bauble.
Will you be doing a Cmdr Legends draft guide?
I knew gamble would be on here
Pretty shocked ignite memories wasn't on this list
Mind Twist isn't too slow for Legacy, it's just too banned to put in your deck.
I’m starting this video expecting to see:
Whimsy and Faerie Dragon!
Guessing Hymn to Tourach at #2 because it got banned early enough
EDIT: I meant restricted haha
It's interesting hearing references to vintage, looking at viable decks the other night the prices were between $50k-$100k+ for a deck. That leaves me to believe there's maybe what like 10 people in the world who even actually play vintage lol? is it even a format if there's nobody playing it? Seems vintage is more of a reference to the power 9 than anything else.
It is much more affordable on MTGO.
I feel like youtube hasn't been showing me these lately
Nizzahon had a power cut for a week or so i think recently
You should do a top 10 video about your top 10 videos with grading criteria being likes and views lol
Goblin charbleacher is fun
You flip-flopped between a hard G and a soft G when you pronounce "magus"
Frenetic Efreet and I peaked at the same time.
Anyone else ever notice before that, up close, the elemental on Burning Inquiry looks kinda like Trump?
Except that he's reading.
Therefore it cannot be Trump
A bit later than usual but a very welcome video nonetheless 👌
Come on Possibility Storm!
Wonderful
I feel like this list should have included any card that has you roll dice for a random effect.
It does, but Magic doesn't feature that mechanic to any relevant extent.
Magic only has you roll dice in silver-bordered Un-sets, which are not tournament-legal, so none would have gotten any points.
Update: Adventures in the Forgotten Realms
Top 10 cards that are almost good.
Well, some of them are actually really good.... XD.
Its a suggestion lol.
A suggestion that is almost good. ;)
Laughs in hearthstone.
(For those who don't know in hearthstone about 40% of the card do something random.)
There was a point in MtG history when it likely had a similar ratio. But power creep eventually took hold and "random" effects are a lot more controllable now, thus making the older random effects simply not consistently good enough to see legitimate play.
anyone remember yogg saron
Had to google to hear how Magus was pronounced.
If hippie was reprinted today it would do little to nothing in standard and own limited.
50% of players seem to discard the tutor card
how about top 10 'your opponent chooses' effects?
I would play Library of Leng if I used most of these lol
My favourite random card is only available in the MTG computer game Planes of Shandalar... goblin polka band... EVERYBODY POLKA!
One thing, mind twist is still banned in legacy.
I actually don’t think it would see much play.
I'm gonna guess Gamble, Wild research, and other various red cards from Odyssey Block which I don't remember the names of! :O
Top demons!!!!!
Hymn as #1?
Edit: rip
I wanna see a 0 mana card that has: Flip a coin, if heads you win the game tails you lose
If at instant speed, they can cut your loss rate in half. Very powerful, and not in a fun way.
Is Amulet of Quoz close enough for you?
Woooo
Maguses? Surely YOU should be aware that the plural of Magus is Magi ;-)
Commenting before watching, could there be some astral set goodies here? :D
EDIT: "Competitive Magic"
WELP
Not using the Quinton Hoover art from Fallen Empires for Hymn :(
hymn to tourach is a miserable card, i cant believe that people want it in modern
Four commercial breaks in this video does not respect my time. Not accaptable.
Are you ok bud? You sound sick.