Bore height doesn't matter for group sizes so long as you're behind it consistent and aiming at the same spot. However ammo, barrel, and technique would have a bigger impact on group sizes than the wedge.
Fitment between the upper/lower doesn't change the gun's accuracy. That crappy optic set-up probably does. The fact that each group had a different poi tells me there's something awry with the gun and/or shooter.
It maybe a little tighter but nothing noticeable. Definitely would not effect performance shooting from a bench vise. A free floated hand guard, an aftermarket barrel, performance trigger, and so on would definitely increase more of that “little edge” he’s trying to get.
Thanks for the video but I bet your first group was because of a cold clean bore. I mean it wont hurt but it has absolutely no effect on accuracy. Hell I just built a rifle with considerable slop between the upper and lower and still managed to shoot .387 and. 577 five round groups without a wedge.
11 year old video, and still a topic that is debated as to if it helps or not... All I can say (from personal experience with multiple AR's) is it DOES tighten upper/ lower fit, and that helps ME shoot better, less movement while firing, less noise to distract me, maybe just psychological, but still seems to help. Anyway, January 2024 and I just found these for $1 each (somewhere? lol) for some builds I have planned (I'll use them if needed) ... $4 for shipping, so I just ordered 5 of them, should cover me for awhile :)
You should do these tests blindly and eliminate any bias. Meaning you don't know if you're shooting it with or without the wedge. You might just be shooting better because you expect better accuracy.
why is it that all you marines that do you tube videos are all tacticool overweight and sweating like they had a workout just walking down the stairs to there basement. You would think that the Marine Corp would have taught you a little self pride. I know when I was in the Corps I took pride in my physical appearance and at 51 years old I still do. Thank you for your service.
Being that the optic is mounted to the upper and is not affected by any movement of the lower how does this make the gun more accurate. Shooting at 100 yards the slightest movement can affect accuracy. Thanks
@BlackWater Outdoors bedding a bolt action only helps by allowing you to free-float the barrel. Since the AR barrel is already as close to free floated as possible, and the optic is secured to the upper, the upper lower fitment makes no difference.
Bullshit. The barrel, BCG, and optic are all part of the upper receiver. Slop between the upper and lower receivers has zero effect on accuracy. If you take anyone to the range and have them shoot past 50 yards, there first group will almost always be sloppier than their later groups. The wedge did nothing for you here. All that happened was your trigger finger got warmed up and your fundamentals were more solid. Plain and simple. Not to mention, you're also comparing three shot groups to five shot groups. Anyone can shoot a tight three shot group. It's when you start shooting five and ten shot groups that the truth comes out.
Holding the upper more rigidly to the lower should help you aim without some slight slop moving your point of aim, I believe the results. It should be mostly about holding the upper where you're aiming better.
I agree completely I can't affect mechanical accuracy much. But I think it could play into consistency with hold and sure would be one less thing on your mind. I laughed at the "look at these 3 but ignore my 2 flyers way down here."
Nice , informative video with empirical results ( shooting the dang thing! ) Beautiful rifle , and damn..., such a clean work area. Thanks for the help
DON'T LAUGH AT THE HANDLE, BACK IN THE OLD DAYS, WE DID NOT HAVE FLAT TOP UPPERS, MY OLD COLT MT6601 MATCH TARGET SHOOTS .75" GROUPS WITH CHEAP WINCHESTER WHITE BOX AMMO AND THE SCOPE IS MOUNTED ON TOP OF THE HANDLE
A free floating barrel would also improve accuracy. LOL it would be a nice setup for Nods. However with a UTG optic. I doubt there’s any playing in the dark goin on.
Honestly, the wedge wont affect a standard "combat" set up 2-3 moa rifle enough to notice other than taking the slop out.. They work a little better on precision or sub moa rifles. It also lets the BCG cycle slightly more constantly, but again.. We are talking about measurements that show up on paper, but not really noticeable to the average shooter. A foam ear plug will do the same thing if you are just looking to take the play out.. A wedge might help if you are looking to cut your group size down .20" on your precision set up at 300 yards.
Semper Fi Devil Dog! Thanks for the display and example. It blows me away all the "ËXPERTS" that say - the Upper and Lower receiver slop is OK and doesnt really effect accuracy. WTF? Ofcourse it does! Why is it that the MARINES know better? Thanks...if your still out there after 5 years.
It has absolutely ZERO effect on accuracy and that's been proven through actual mechanical methods. This guy is a sample of one and he's using a product that's now know to be a complete sham and he's pushing the it as if it actually works which is a huge red flag.
Want I'm hearing from a Army Shooting Team National competitor is the Accuwedge improves groups by 8%-9%. Which makes sense to me. That is based on over 20 years of shooting experience and thousands upon thousands of rounds. My expectation is the people you are listening to don't have a means to quantity a 8% improvement in groups. But a competitive scoring system across many shooters, many competitions, and many thousands of rounds can detect and validate that gain in accuracy.
There are more issues going on with that weapon. As it has already been stated, take the carry handle off and put your optic on the flat top. Not only does it look bad, it can't be very accurate. Find it hard to believe you've served in the Corps but stranger things have happened. Go on a diet, bro. You're gonna have some heart problems at some point. Listening to you huff & puff standing still is the first indication you need to get yourself in shape. Good luck to you.
@@hardtarget2359 the point is, there are way more things with this rifle that will have far more impact on precision (the correct term for tight grouping) then the upper/lower fitment. I am fine with people using these because they don't like the feel of a rattling AR, but it has no effect on mechanical accuracy or precision.
Don't forget the shipping and handling from Midway USA which is more than the wedge it's self
Holy shit, that optic is 4 inches above the bore. That's the first thing you need to fix.
He must be running night vision with that scope height.
Bore height doesn't matter for group sizes so long as you're behind it consistent and aiming at the same spot.
However ammo, barrel, and technique would have a bigger impact on group sizes than the wedge.
You demonstrated that is certainly does not harm accuracy and i just do not like slop between upper and lower, so I am getting one. Thanks...
Fitment between the upper/lower doesn't change the gun's accuracy. That crappy optic set-up probably does. The fact that each group had a different poi tells me there's something awry with the gun and/or shooter.
It maybe a little tighter but nothing noticeable. Definitely would not effect performance shooting from a bench vise. A free floated hand guard, an aftermarket barrel, performance trigger, and so on would definitely increase more of that “little edge” he’s trying to get.
Wow accu wedge review with an accuracy test
Thanks for the video but I bet your first group was because of a cold clean bore. I mean it wont hurt but it has absolutely no effect on accuracy. Hell I just built a rifle with considerable slop between the upper and lower and still managed to shoot .387 and. 577 five round groups without a wedge.
I have a adapter for the cheek weld it was not on for the video!
11 year old video, and still a topic that is debated as to if it helps or not... All I can say (from personal experience with multiple AR's) is it DOES tighten upper/ lower fit, and that helps ME shoot better, less movement while firing, less noise to distract me, maybe just psychological, but still seems to help. Anyway, January 2024 and I just found these for $1 each (somewhere? lol) for some builds I have planned (I'll use them if needed) ... $4 for shipping, so I just ordered 5 of them, should cover me for awhile :)
You should do these tests blindly and eliminate any bias. Meaning you don't know if you're shooting it with or without the wedge. You might just be shooting better because you expect better accuracy.
Nice scope laser combo private pile
I see we are members of the same shooting range. Funny to see that sticker
why is it that all you marines that do you tube videos are all tacticool overweight and sweating like they had a workout just walking down the stairs to there basement. You would think that the Marine Corp would have taught you a little self pride. I know when I was in the Corps I took pride in my physical appearance and at 51 years old I still do. Thank you for your service.
Steven Eaton most of them were not in the infantry.
JB I know some infantry guys who got out and then bam fat
I use them for vibration reduction
Picking one of these up. Thanks for the tip!
The first video which is really helpful in this subject. Thanks for sharing. Greetings 308
Being that the optic is mounted to the upper and is not affected by any movement of the lower how does this make the gun more accurate. Shooting at 100 yards the slightest movement can affect accuracy. Thanks
It reduces the movement, like bedding a bolt action rifle. Same principal.
Anthony Williams Thanks
+Anthony “Blackwater Paracord” Williams - no...its not
You answered your own question. Eliminating any movement increases accuracy
@BlackWater Outdoors bedding a bolt action only helps by allowing you to free-float the barrel. Since the AR barrel is already as close to free floated as possible, and the optic is secured to the upper, the upper lower fitment makes no difference.
try a foam ear plug
Bullshit. The barrel, BCG, and optic are all part of the upper receiver. Slop between the upper and lower receivers has zero effect on accuracy.
If you take anyone to the range and have them shoot past 50 yards, there first group will almost always be sloppier than their later groups. The wedge did nothing for you here. All that happened was your trigger finger got warmed up and your fundamentals were more solid. Plain and simple.
Not to mention, you're also comparing three shot groups to five shot groups. Anyone can shoot a tight three shot group. It's when you start shooting five and ten shot groups that the truth comes out.
Holding the upper more rigidly to the lower should help you aim without some slight slop moving your point of aim, I believe the results. It should be mostly about holding the upper where you're aiming better.
TheRevenantRising agreed. It can help with receiver play but it isn't for better accuracy. That is a big load of crap.
Justin Bullock it doesn’t eliminate slop I can say that now. It just doesn’t let it make noise. It’s fucking rubber come on people lol.
I agree completely I can't affect mechanical accuracy much. But I think it could play into consistency with hold and sure would be one less thing on your mind. I laughed at the "look at these 3 but ignore my 2 flyers way down here."
Just wondering do you guys call that marksmanship?
Nice , informative video with empirical results ( shooting the dang thing! ) Beautiful rifle ,
and damn..., such a clean work area. Thanks for the help
loose the handle, for the love of God!
DON'T LAUGH AT THE HANDLE, BACK IN THE OLD DAYS, WE DID NOT HAVE FLAT TOP UPPERS, MY OLD COLT MT6601 MATCH TARGET SHOOTS .75" GROUPS WITH CHEAP WINCHESTER WHITE BOX AMMO AND THE SCOPE IS MOUNTED ON TOP OF THE HANDLE
Typical leatherneck lol. In all seriousness I love the carry handle retro look. But definitely would not be my primary.
maybe he hates the cans
A free floating barrel would also improve accuracy. LOL it would be a nice setup for Nods. However with a UTG optic. I doubt there’s any playing in the dark goin on.
@@nickalden235 are they defective?
You are allowed to have AR'S in the people's republic of New Jersey?
Honestly, the wedge wont affect a standard "combat" set up 2-3 moa rifle enough to notice other than taking the slop out..
They work a little better on precision or sub moa rifles.
It also lets the BCG cycle slightly more constantly, but again.. We are talking about measurements that show up on paper, but not really noticeable to the average shooter.
A foam ear plug will do the same thing if you are just looking to take the play out..
A wedge might help if you are looking to cut your group size down .20" on your precision set up at 300 yards.
Great video Devil Dog. Semper FI.
Thank you for this informative video
How do you hit anything with the scope being a foot over the top of the bore ?
Never seen an AR that's almost as tall as it is long.
Chin weld stock like the early long barrel versions of the g36k
Thanks for info,good video. God bless ya
you look very tacticool xD
Looks like a team guy straight out a movie.
if a 2 inch group at a hundred yards is a marksman then my five year old is a sniper
Semper Fi Devil Dog! Thanks for the display and example. It blows me away all the "ËXPERTS" that say - the Upper and Lower receiver slop is OK and doesnt really effect accuracy. WTF? Ofcourse it does! Why is it that the MARINES know better? Thanks...if your still out there after 5 years.
It has absolutely ZERO effect on accuracy and that's been proven through actual mechanical methods. This guy is a sample of one and he's using a product that's now know to be a complete sham and he's pushing the it as if it actually works which is a huge red flag.
Want I'm hearing from a Army Shooting Team National competitor is the Accuwedge improves groups by 8%-9%. Which makes sense to me. That is based on over 20 years of shooting experience and thousands upon thousands of rounds.
My expectation is the people you are listening to don't have a means to quantity a 8% improvement in groups. But a competitive scoring system across many shooters, many competitions, and many thousands of rounds can detect and validate that gain in accuracy.
There are more issues going on with that weapon. As it has already been stated, take the carry handle off and put your optic on the flat top. Not only does it look bad, it can't be very accurate. Find it hard to believe you've served in the Corps but stranger things have happened. Go on a diet, bro. You're gonna have some heart problems at some point. Listening to you huff & puff standing still is the first indication you need to get yourself in shape. Good luck to you.
Possible he was in the corps but doubtful due to the fact he's wearing frog gear for a TH-cam video😂
For all that is holy take that damn carry handle off and get a low profile gas block. damnitt man
Take that handle off the top and buy a real mount and scope on it and the try some accuracy test lol
Marksmanship....? Hahahaha
There's no way you're getting a cheek weld with an optic that high lol.
I have the butt stock adapter that gets me the cheek weld. I did not have it on for the video. Lmao
LMFAO talking about accuracy without having a free float rail... and that scope is WAY to high!
UnknownUser 8888 You don't need a free float rail to have an accurate rifle. Your right about the scope though. Lol! Talk about a neck weld.
@@hardtarget2359 the point is, there are way more things with this rifle that will have far more impact on precision (the correct term for tight grouping) then the upper/lower fitment. I am fine with people using these because they don't like the feel of a rattling AR, but it has no effect on mechanical accuracy or precision.