Erika is everything YECs hate and fear: - Intelligent and a diligent researcher - A woman - A great, clear, entertaining and witty communicator to laypeople - Unphased and immune to bad faith tactics and prone to laughing them off and making the accuser look silly - Extremely competent - Persistent
and also a kind, compassionate, and understanding individual. sort of the antithesis to religious grifters. after i heard her speak about her passion in terms of helping young YECs learn and grow as they transition into the college/ professional world (i literally cried)... she has become one of my biggest heroes.
Always love the people who say "You're too afraid to use your real name" as if I wasn't taught 100s of time as a child NEVER to use my real name or any personal info on the internet.
Yeah that argument is extremely dumb. Most people under the age of 50-60 never use their real name online, it’s been drilled into us from a young age. The internet is for aliases and anonymity, especially if you are taking a stance against something, as people may try and find you and where you live, it’s why doxing is such a big problem. People that make that argument really are unable to think critically.
To a WOMAN (or femme-identifying person) _on the internet_ to boot, as if that hasn't gotten people killed before. Hell, even as someone without a platform her size, I don't put my name out there.
It's honestly the dumbest shit in the world. I grew up learning explicitly to NOT put personal info on the internet. Somewhere along the line that became the norm and now people get offended and upset when they're harassed or attacked irl because they did the equivalent of hanging your entire bare ass out a car window on a narrow road and being shocked when a passing semi hits it. I'll happily be an intelligent, safe coward with a pseudonym rather than an idiot.
"GG made a small mistake, so she should leave science." Ah yes, science. Where students learn things by never making mistakes. Science, that's advanced by everybody being absolutely 100% right from the first attempt.
I love asymptotically approaching correctness. Never quite reaching capital T Truth, but trying your best and always getting a little bit closer. Much better than my old religion, where you start with the capital T Truth and gradually depart from it while fighting to reconcile your worldview with the reality around you.
Certainty is something to be doubtful of. As trite as it sounds, it's still true. If you encounter someone who is absolutely certain of anything, especially religion, go somewhere else. Once someone is certain, they close their minds to any possibility that they could be wrong. And that's why "scientists" usually talk in probabilities. Dictators and preachers use certainty to beat people into submission.
@@glarnboudin4462 The use of the word 'cult' could be debated (though I tend to agree), but he certainly seems to be part of a group that cherishes ignorance and doing as you're told without question.
I love how "these two species were contemporaneous at some point, therefore one couldn't give rise to the other" is just "if humans come from monkeys, why are there still monkeys" with 5¢ words.
"Aspiring, young anthropologist" he said about the PhD student. I guarantee his only motivation for using those adjectives is to paint you as naive and make his audience believe you are young and dumb. Really gross on his part
@@Soapy-chan Your comment was offensive to a lot of people. Who told you old people are not "smart". 🕳️ You'd be the first one to be kicked off the island. What would you do to survive on an island.? No phone. 🌊🚣🦵
Being a crypto-creationist (IDer) has got to be twice the work of just being a creationist. You have to court YECs without agreeing with them completely cause doing so would screw with the credibility of the lab coat cosplay.
Creationism is dying a slow, agonizing death. Any drowning man will grasp at straws. Likewise, creationists will get in bed with even the strangest bedfellows if it means they can pretend to have strength of numbers. This means that they will associate even with people they would ultimately go on a Holy War(tm) against as long as they think it's useful. It's like how flat Earthers will associate with sovereign citizens and holocaust deniers if it means they can push their agenda. But enough about Kent Hovind...
I'd totally watch a TH-cam channel where someone deliberately misstates creationist views the way creationists misstate science just to watch the meltdowns in the response videos and comments. The only problem is that no matter how silly you tried to make creationists look, some of them somewhere have probably already said something sillier.
The fact that the two most significant errors Erica has made on her Channel to date are both because she wasn’t sufficiently suspicious of the sources *used by the people she responded to* really needs to be harped on more imo These mistakes aren’t even Erica’s fault, they’re because she thought that the group’s she’s responding to wouldn’t make such weird mistakes and taking their own sources in good faith
I hope the scientific community starts treating these kinds of doofuses like what they are. People with advanced degrees whose work turns out to be absolutely terrible are responsible for so much going wrong in society. Anti-vax, YEC, climate change deniers, etc. all predicate their trash opinions on trash science. It feels like we need a whole workforce just to put out the fires these “scientists” are starting.
@@ferdinandagordon223 Ah yes Erika didn't bother doing the homework of *checks notes* automatically assuming that the creationists out-idioted the idiotproofing in *their* homework
Erika, I mean this in the kindest way possible, the fact that they cower and lash out at YOU, someone who is not scary in the slightest, is hilarious, fantastic, and honestly shows what a badass you are 😂😁
Nah, looks way way too close to overlap with that infamous American former president and the word his supporters wear as a badge of honor. I need several orders of magnitude of separation from that, um, ilk before I am comfortable with wearing merch.
With a chart of the Hominidae tree perhaps. With a Gutsick Gibbon the next step up from humans. Edit: Darn I knew I would get that wrong. I meant.Hominoidea.
Every "My gentle and of course very modern apes" is a dopamine hit. On top of the one that comes from seeing I have two hours of Gutsick Gibbon to keep me company while I work on crafts. 🥰 .... Erika proudly identifies as an ape, but somehow it's her haters that like to shriek and fling poo when they're upset. Thoroughly enjoyed the video.
Erika you're one of the sweetest, gentlest and nicest people in this debate space. You're way nicer than the majority of creationists. I don't know why anyone wants to be mean to you even if they disagree with you. Keep teaching science to the masses. :) You're doing great.
Some people get intimidated by intelligent women. I was even told by teachers to stop raising my hand so much and giving correct answers to questions because I was making the other students feel bad and stupid. I wasn't doing anything wrong, just participating. My guess is that some of these guys are not prepared to debate with a female intellectual powerhouse like Erika because they for whatever reason have taken on the idea of male superiority whether it be from fundamentalism or some other reason, so that when she beats them in a debate they feel cognitive dissonance which leads to outbursts of anger in her direction that they wouldn't have so intensely toward a fellow man. @miaomiaochan
He physically threatened you, be careful. That he's been thinking about this and working himself up for so long, warns he may not be thinking straight...
Thanks. I dug up most of the old gravel in my back garden listening to this. Making way for some native and insect friendly wildflowers. Nicer than the fake grass left by the previous owners.
@@JD-wu5pf and I'll explain it to you in plain terms he got angry with her first and she had every right to respond and every time you leave a comment I'm going to leave this one got it
Yeah, let’s not fall down this logic trap. Creationists love to proudly puff up their chests and say they’re clearly onto something because people get mad at them.
He should be honored that you even respond to him, since I imagine most professional researchers aren't even aware that he exists. Being attacked by a DI hack must be like getting jumped by a toddler with a messy diaper and a big mood.
This is basically the equivalent of discovering a typo in someone's argument and using that as a reason to slam them as incompetent and unworthy humans, except worse, because they weren't the one to originate the mistake. Reminds me of when I was debugging someone's code, and ended up sending a wrong formula because I only corrected some of the mistakes, while not looking at a different part that they also had mistakes in
You, Forrest, and Aron are true heroes of mine. I admire y'all's work so much. Y'all have made me love science, which I hated when I was an irrational believer. Now that I think more rationally looking for evidence instead of relying on faith, I love science. Y'all have truly helped me with that.
It can sometimes be difficult to distinguish between the positions of experts who disagree violently over the minutiae of their speciality. But it is reasonably simple to identify anti-scientific frauds - especially when the flaws in their arguments are highlighted with this degree of clarity and thoroughness.
I love that a single mistake is an abominable sin that means that you cannot ever fux anyone else's mistake... forgetting that she is correcting a couple million of their own "mistakes". The number of seriously procludes them from even calling them mistakes that is a lie.
I suspect that Bechly went after Erika because he can't verbally hit Dave Farina anywhere near the level Dave spanked him. So he cowardly went after someone associated with Dave, thinking Erika might be an easier target. Well, we can see how well that worked out for him.
And any man who criticizes a woman for choosing to maintain anonymity after daring to express her opinion on the internet is, at best, hopelessly naive.
2 hours of Erika makes my day. That video of a “student” stumping a museum expert is unwatchable. That’s the only time I’ve said that about any Aron video.
The way the preacher plays it shamefaced-not as if the student is pointing out errors or things he hadn’t noticed, but catching him in purposeful lies-is enraging, after i was lied to my entire pre-college education about what evolution even is… by parents with secular sciences degrees, no less
I saw it first from Forrest Valkai, so i Knew what I was in for. I love that those in the auditorium audience never question the girls "evidence," it's just all "that girl is sooooooo right" adoration. 🤣
People like Gunter are the reason that Erika, and her “ilk”, are arguing about things that I learned about over 50 years ago; In spite of the incredible increase in evidence that supports evolution. Gunter and his ilk are so sure that they are right they believe evidence that doesn’t support their beliefs must be wrong.
The thing is while Dr. Bechly could certainly actually believe the stuff he's spouting, it's not really necessary. It's also a possibility that he could be presenting this way for financial gain.
I grew up neck deep in one of many anti-science movements of the 80's post that "moral majority" nonsense. There's a _very_ deep misogyny that was constantly present in those circles. Nothing threatens the "manhood" of those dorks more than a young educated woman. That is (in my opinion) why at times there's such venom in their approach when addressing GG. I once started listening to creationists doing a stream amongst themselves which I regretted 5 minutes in but I heard that they mentioned GG so I was curious. Immediately they went for her voice annoying them or her looks on some weird creepy level like she's literally an object to them and nothing more. I needed to take a shower after hearing that. (not all creationists are disgusting misogynists, just to be clear... just sharing an anecdote and an opinion)
@@GenesisTheKitty You are seriously downplaying or misunderstanding misogyny in your preferred social class and ideology if you think that's the case. It's honestly quite disturbing to hear someone say something this ignorant of misogyny and who practices it and be upvoted so much.
@@elderyear It's hyperbole for effect. Of course we know that misogyny is a bigger circle and a much bigger problem. It's just that not much of the creationist circle lies outside of it.
The most egregiously offensive lie in Genesis Impact was the cropped picture of the Hadar archaeological find. There were 96 skulls next to Lucy in the original, and several more jaws. Genesis Impact: "Oh noooooo, Lucy was the only hominin we've ever found! So sad that there aren't a hundred others to analyze!"
This is the type of content that eventually swayed me. The complete evisceration of every counter point that I thought I had in the bag. I truly appreciate that you take/took the time in the past. Its that standard of evidence that really helps others that are truly looking.
“Homo sapiens long bones found with cut marks, indicating butchering done with what appears to be stone tools.” Well I’ll be damned, maybe Homo erectus did prey on other hominids. Yep, that’s exactly what happened, moving on now.
You are so killing it with the releases, thank you again. Was just rewatching your vid and saw the notif for this new one, got so psyched you won't believe it
Kitzmiller actually showed the evolution of ID through several transitional populations from the more basal Creation Science. I still cannot believe DI stayed in business after that.
@@HowToTrainYourDuncan I'll always be fond of tiktaalik because not only is it exactly the right sort of transitional it was where it should have been both geographically and stratigraphically. But for lulz "cdesign proponentsists" is still my favorite.
I think Gunter figured taking shots at a woman would be easier. *He was wrong.* He should try arguing with a duck, that’s more his speed. Probably a rubber ducky, not like a real one who would also call him out.
1:04:00 Absolutely spot on. People behind computer screens love to obsess about _a_ mistake someone makes while ignoring all the good they accomplish and _have_ accomplished. Please do not take this shallow person to heart. *You know that intelligent people in the real world appreciate you and your hard work.*
Funny, I discovered the Gutsick Gibbon channel when I randomly watched the Rubutting Genesis Impact videos. It was very clear that Erika is a very intelligent and articulate biological anthropologist. Being moderately obsessed with hominins, I knew right away she was my anthropological hero.
I am happy to see you fight back and defend yourself. You did not allow an affront to your personal dignity to stand, unchallenged. I myself also do not mind people who disagree with me. What I take strong exception to is when they mischaracterize and obfuscate what my positions are to more easily attack them, and resort to name-calling and personal ridicule. Not cool! It gives me great pride to see you correct the record and stand up for yourself.
You know they're "winning" the conversation when all they can do is talk shit, threaten to physically assault you, and point out one single mistake over and over again!
This gunter dude is such a fucking coward. I have enough videos that I can point to, to confidently say that I don't think there's anything gutsick says here that she wouldn't say to his face, but I also feel pretty confident that he wouldn't say half the shit he says in this article to her face.
Thanks for the information! As always very enjoyable 😁 I would like to say I feel sorry for Gunters poor mother. I'm sure she is ashamed of his behavior 😮
Here in Brazil, the Ministry of Education (federal education administration) also considered Intelligent Design as a subject for Theology courses and UNRELATED to science. That's a major win for us, since we're the second largest Christian population in the world.
Gonna be honest, i had this on as background noise because i like hearing you talk, and then i heard "interlibrary loan" and I immediately tuned in. I ❤ libraries 😁
Gutsick is a great debater, not because she "goes in for the kill", I don't think she's ever done that. She's just killing you with facts the whole time and you don't even realize it. It's just fact, after fact, after fact, after *crucial* fact. It's always either a direct refutation of the science or meaningful challenge to the claim; usually in the form of an honest question. It's the difference between something like: Debatelord: "Oh, you think the Earth is flat? Well then how do you explain Time Zones? You can't? Oh, I guess you're fucking r*****ed." vs. Gutsick: "I've always been intrigued by flat Earth model. My only question would be that it seems like the sun would need to move in a manner inconsistent with observations to account for the changing times of day around the world. Perhaps you can explain?" She just gutted your whole argument with verifiable facts and genuine curiosity. Cut so deep, you don't even realize you're bleeding.
55:30 "Professor, without knowing precisely what the danger is, would you say it's time for our viewers to crack each other's heads open and feast on the goo inside?" "Yes I would, Kent".
Not giving out your true name to potential enemies is such a fundamentally sensible idea that it's embedded in our faierytales and a common practice throughout history. When someone takes issue at such a common and reasonable practice, it makes one wonder.
I don’t understand a lot of stuff you talk about. But you communicate it in a way that gives me an inkling of understanding. Enough to make me want to learn more. It takes me a few days to watch your videos because I might hear something every couple of minutes that I want to google and try to understand so I can understand what you’re talking about. Then I go down a wiki hole and end up at a TV show stub article about pirates or something.
It's not like we are in any way responsible for his actions, though. Also, we didn't choose our nationality when we were born. Anyways, some commenter called him "Herr Kartoffelkopf" and I suggested "Dr. Kartoffelkopf" in response. Would you find that fitting for him?
My favorite thing about evolution is its a applied science nowadays. If you want to produce a enzyme with a particular function, scan a bunch of random ones that might have the function *although incredibly poor*, apply selective pressure, and your awful enzyme slowly gets converted to a very efficent enzyme.
Man, I want to become a content creator on TH-cam, but I'm scared of people finding out my last name and tracking down my *father's* university office. It's not like they'd even need to travel to our city to hurt him or me - just bombarding his office or the university in general with calls or his email with messages could cause a serious problem. (It's not like they'd even need to use their own phone number and send each call themselves if they are proficient in tech at all.) It's completely insane to criticize *anyone* for hiding their name online.
The fact that your biggest mistake was thinking too highly of creationists, and the fact that he didn't even realize that was the mistake you made is yet more evidence that we live in a Monty Python sketch.
In Bechly's own words; "Instead of Neo-Darwinism, I endorse a modern version of saltationism, mutationism, and orthogenesis, based on non-random adaptive macro-mutations (analogous to Schindewolf's and Goldschmidt's "hopeful monster" hypothesis, more recently endorsed by Rieppel 2017), correlated with the spatiotemporal instantiation of non-material and eternal templates (platonic forms) that function as attractors ("special transformism" sensu Chaberek 2017)." "Certainly, we find organisms that are “morphologically intermediate” bearing resemblances to organisms that came before and others that came later. What we don’t find is the smooth curve of change expected by Darwinian theory, a “fossil lineage that shows a gradual transition from one form into the other.” The record of abrupt appearances, “explosions” (not just the famous Cambrian explosion), “revolutions,” etc., is not the exception but the rule. Given conventional evolutionary assumptions, this should not be the case!" He neglects punctuated equilibrium and ignores the works of fellows such as Gould and Eldredge, whom he should most definitely know about.
Just reading that hurts my head. I've had an easier time reading abstracts by real scientists. Creationists are good at word salads as a means of misdirection so most people don't notice the glaring holes in their arguments
Ah... who doesn't know the platonic forms that made macrojumps happen including the sudden appearence of mosquitoes to fake their insectness... wait what?
@@Angelmou all the captains and engineers in the history of Star Trek combined haven't spouted the amount of pseudoscientific jargon that creationists do in a single podcast
Excellent forensic work. I do like these deep dives into original sources... but it does deflect from me working out why my software isn't working (which can be pretty tedious!). 🙂
Erika is everything YECs hate and fear:
- Intelligent and a diligent researcher
- A woman
- A great, clear, entertaining and witty communicator to laypeople
- Unphased and immune to bad faith tactics and prone to laughing them off and making the accuser look silly
- Extremely competent
- Persistent
It's "unfazed". Don't ask me why, but I think the root is different from "phase".
and also a kind, compassionate, and understanding individual.
sort of the antithesis to religious grifters.
after i heard her speak about her passion in terms of helping young YECs learn and grow as they transition into the college/ professional world (i literally cried)... she has become one of my biggest heroes.
Also has a working brain, Creationist cult hate that.
- my chemical romance
-Actually funny
-An educated professional speaking in her field
-A gentle and modern ape
Always love the people who say "You're too afraid to use your real name" as if I wasn't taught 100s of time as a child NEVER to use my real name or any personal info on the internet.
It’s like “prove you’re not a coward. Let us see your real name (so I can either find you myself or send someone after you)”.
Yeah that argument is extremely dumb. Most people under the age of 50-60 never use their real name online, it’s been drilled into us from a young age. The internet is for aliases and anonymity, especially if you are taking a stance against something, as people may try and find you and where you live, it’s why doxing is such a big problem. People that make that argument really are unable to think critically.
To a WOMAN (or femme-identifying person) _on the internet_ to boot, as if that hasn't gotten people killed before. Hell, even as someone without a platform her size, I don't put my name out there.
You can have a named account, but use sock accounts for shitposting
It's honestly the dumbest shit in the world. I grew up learning explicitly to NOT put personal info on the internet. Somewhere along the line that became the norm and now people get offended and upset when they're harassed or attacked irl because they did the equivalent of hanging your entire bare ass out a car window on a narrow road and being shocked when a passing semi hits it.
I'll happily be an intelligent, safe coward with a pseudonym rather than an idiot.
"GG made a small mistake, so she should leave science."
Ah yes, science. Where students learn things by never making mistakes. Science, that's advanced by everybody being absolutely 100% right from the first attempt.
True. And turning that around, what would he need to leave and how far when we consider his mistakes?
I love asymptotically approaching correctness. Never quite reaching capital T Truth, but trying your best and always getting a little bit closer.
Much better than my old religion, where you start with the capital T Truth and gradually depart from it while fighting to reconcile your worldview with the reality around you.
Certainty is something to be doubtful of. As trite as it sounds, it's still true. If you encounter someone who is absolutely certain of anything, especially religion, go somewhere else. Once someone is certain, they close their minds to any possibility that they could be wrong. And that's why "scientists" usually talk in probabilities. Dictators and preachers use certainty to beat people into submission.
And said by a guy who works in a literal cult.
@@glarnboudin4462 The use of the word 'cult' could be debated (though I tend to agree), but he certainly seems to be part of a group that cherishes ignorance and doing as you're told without question.
I love how "these two species were contemporaneous at some point, therefore one couldn't give rise to the other" is just "if humans come from monkeys, why are there still monkeys" with 5¢ words.
LOL they never go further to a common ancestor... They're stuck on thinking there's only one hominid
"I put the water in the glass and stirred in the one-serving Kool Aid pouch, why is there still clear water in the pitcher??"
"If you are descended from your grandparents, why do you have cousins?"
If Adam was made from dirt, why is there still dirt?
Except it's not?
"Aspiring, young anthropologist" he said about the PhD student. I guarantee his only motivation for using those adjectives is to paint you as naive and make his audience believe you are young and dumb. Really gross on his part
also ironic considering that young people are usually way smarter than old people
Yep. Ad Homs are all they got, especially the grossly diminutive jabs aimed at what they perceive as “typical female insecurities”.
@@Soapy-chan
Not in your case.
@@BlueBonnie764 how so
@@Soapy-chan
Your comment was offensive to a lot of people. Who told you old people are not "smart". 🕳️
You'd be the first one to be kicked off the island. What would you do to survive on an island.? No phone. 🌊🚣🦵
“I won’t defend this creationist video but I’ll get whiny and angry at anyone who criticizes it.” Discovery Institute in a nutshell.
Being a crypto-creationist (IDer) has got to be twice the work of just being a creationist. You have to court YECs without agreeing with them completely cause doing so would screw with the credibility of the lab coat cosplay.
@@finderfinder100lab coat cosplay 😂 so accurate
Creationism is dying a slow, agonizing death. Any drowning man will grasp at straws. Likewise, creationists will get in bed with even the strangest bedfellows if it means they can pretend to have strength of numbers.
This means that they will associate even with people they would ultimately go on a Holy War(tm) against as long as they think it's useful. It's like how flat Earthers will associate with sovereign citizens and holocaust deniers if it means they can push their agenda. But enough about Kent Hovind...
@@finderfinder100 too real.
The fact that his main point of repeated condescending criticism was based on an error that his own people made is honestly so hilarious
Well, he rightfully expects better from evolution affirming scientists.
Real blunder Erica made by believing the DI to have done something right...
Ofc, just like all other YEC believers, he's a moron.
I'd totally watch a TH-cam channel where someone deliberately misstates creationist views the way creationists misstate science just to watch the meltdowns in the response videos and comments.
The only problem is that no matter how silly you tried to make creationists look, some of them somewhere have probably already said something sillier.
Nah the real problem is some of them would believe you no matter how crazy the stuff you say is. @@Bacteriophagebs
The fact that the two most significant errors Erica has made on her Channel to date are both because she wasn’t sufficiently suspicious of the sources *used by the people she responded to* really needs to be harped on more imo
These mistakes aren’t even Erica’s fault, they’re because she thought that the group’s she’s responding to wouldn’t make such weird mistakes and taking their own sources in good faith
How absurd.
I hope the scientific community starts treating these kinds of doofuses like what they are.
People with advanced degrees whose work turns out to be absolutely terrible are responsible for so much going wrong in society. Anti-vax, YEC, climate change deniers, etc. all predicate their trash opinions on trash science.
It feels like we need a whole workforce just to put out the fires these “scientists” are starting.
In other words, she didn't bother to do her homework.
She shouldn't need to do the homework of the creationists.
@@ferdinandagordon223 Ah yes Erika didn't bother doing the homework of
*checks notes*
automatically assuming that the creationists out-idioted the idiotproofing in *their* homework
Erika, I mean this in the kindest way possible, the fact that they cower and lash out at YOU, someone who is not scary in the slightest, is hilarious, fantastic, and honestly shows what a badass you are 😂😁
Gibbons are small but mighty.
The fact Creationists are terrified of a 5'3" woman tells you everything you need to know about their confidence in their position.
Wow, in this video Erika roasted him so thoroughly, she created a brand new Heat Problem for YEC.
Lol, *nice.*
😂 love it
😂
Best comment I've read in a long time
New Gutsick Gibbon video: 😊
“Busting” in the title:😮
Runtime over 2 hours: 🤯
I know a must watch
Me: Forgive me god but I have sinned. Instead of doing my job I have watched this twice at 1.75x speed in just the first ~three hours
Truly blessed on this horrible work day to have such a gift
Right???
Like a moth to a flame 🔥
What could go wrong giving your full name to a bunch of Uber religious types who think anything can be justified if it's in defense of the faith...
Right? It's not like they've literally bombed medical facilities and murdered doctors...
It's kinda sad when anthropologists and abortion doctors are in roughly the same amount of actual danger. :/
@@gregmark1688anyone who opposes totalitarian thought is in danger
@@gregmark1688 Sad
@@gregmark1688that's religion for ya, bunch of cultists
"you aren't ready for a PhD erica, now this movie depicting T-Rex eating a watermelon, THAT'S good science"
What a clown
Erika*
The very fact that Gunter works for Discovery Institute means his own credibility as a scientist is completely shot.
@@SaintD382 Credibilityn't. It's like getting a legal representative from the law firm of _Dewey, Cheatem, and Howe._
Ah but you see, he has a penis. And in far-right Christian groups, that means he automatically has authority.
But watermelons are seriously yummy, so why wouldn’t a T-Rex hunt those things? My cats are trying to destroy me to get at that sweet juicy stuff.
Please consider a shirt that just says "Gutsick Gibbon's Deplorable Ilk"
Oh yeah, I'd absolutely buy that and wear it with pride.
Patreon goal right there!
Nah, looks way way too close to overlap with that infamous American former president and the word his supporters wear as a badge of honor. I need several orders of magnitude of separation from that, um, ilk before I am comfortable with wearing merch.
YES!!😋❤
With a chart of the Hominidae tree perhaps.
With a Gutsick Gibbon the next step up from humans.
Edit: Darn I knew I would get that wrong. I meant.Hominoidea.
Every "My gentle and of course very modern apes" is a dopamine hit. On top of the one that comes from seeing I have two hours of Gutsick Gibbon to keep me company while I work on crafts. 🥰
....
Erika proudly identifies as an ape, but somehow it's her haters that like to shriek and fling poo when they're upset. Thoroughly enjoyed the video.
Proud to be part of your ilk if that means understanding science.
I want to ilk, too!
Same
Aspiring if failing ilk member here
Same here its a badge of high honour
I Like Knowledge = ILK.
Erika you're one of the sweetest, gentlest and nicest people in this debate space. You're way nicer than the majority of creationists. I don't know why anyone wants to be mean to you even if they disagree with you. Keep teaching science to the masses. :) You're doing great.
Some people get intimidated by intelligent women.
I was even told by teachers to stop raising my hand so much and giving correct answers to questions because I was making the other students feel bad and stupid.
I wasn't doing anything wrong, just participating.
My guess is that some of these guys are not prepared to debate with a female intellectual powerhouse like Erika because they for whatever reason have taken on the idea of male superiority whether it be from fundamentalism or some other reason, so that when she beats them in a debate they feel cognitive dissonance which leads to outbursts of anger in her direction that they wouldn't have so intensely toward a fellow man.
@miaomiaochan
one could say she's a gentle and very modern ape 🤗
Screw Bechly and the DI. Clearly your work is bugging the lot of them, so I enjoy seeing you continue to make them piss their pants.
"If you can't refute the message, attack the messenger." Typical creationist tactic. When challenged, lie.
He physically threatened you, be careful. That he's been thinking about this and working himself up for so long, warns he may not be thinking straight...
To expect straight thought from a being of such an extreme viewpoint is not logical.
- Mr. Spock (paraphrased)
Physical threats mean alert the relevant authorities where he lives. That's a _line._
Timestamp?
I'm only at 49:48 (lol) and haven't been paying the most attention. a timestamp (or twitter post or whatever) would be great
I agree!
Thanks. I dug up most of the old gravel in my back garden listening to this. Making way for some native and insect friendly wildflowers. Nicer than the fake grass left by the previous owners.
It doesn't shock me, but since you're making them angry, that means you're doing the right thing.
@@JD-wu5pf she was responding to somebody that was angry at her and she has every right to do that
@@JD-wu5pf and I'll explain it to you in plain terms he got angry with her first and she had every right to respond and every time you leave a comment I'm going to leave this one got it
@@JD-wu5pf - Look at about 2:00 .
That's right. It's a sign of success💪💪💪🦍🦍🦍
Yeah, let’s not fall down this logic trap. Creationists love to proudly puff up their chests and say they’re clearly onto something because people get mad at them.
On one hand it sucks that he feels the need to lash out at you. On the other hand now I get to watch Gutsick Gibbon put gunter in the gutter.
I'm living for him using "factually bonkers" as an argument
He should be honored that you even respond to him, since I imagine most professional researchers aren't even aware that he exists. Being attacked by a DI hack must be like getting jumped by a toddler with a messy diaper and a big mood.
😂
This is basically the equivalent of discovering a typo in someone's argument and using that as a reason to slam them as incompetent and unworthy humans, except worse, because they weren't the one to originate the mistake.
Reminds me of when I was debugging someone's code, and ended up sending a wrong formula because I only corrected some of the mistakes, while not looking at a different part that they also had mistakes in
Yes! It would be like their opponent insulting and dismissing them because they quote their opponent and don't correct a typo that the opponent made!
"I guess God prefers me to you, Gunter"
😂 Fucking lol that was biting
"Hello, police? I'd like to report a murder."
You, Forrest, and Aron are true heroes of mine. I admire y'all's work so much. Y'all have made me love science, which I hated when I was an irrational believer. Now that I think more rationally looking for evidence instead of relying on faith, I love science. Y'all have truly helped me with that.
Yo same!!! I dont know where I’d be without them! Also professor dave lol
Yeah what about dave! He can be sassy but he is amazing at explaining chemistry
I'm actually not that familiar with Dave. I just discovered him a few days ago when I saw him on the line.
@@JohnmhatheistI love all of them. Seriously check out Dave. He's a big meanie, and James Tour can't handle it, all while shouting in Dave's face. 😂
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It can sometimes be difficult to distinguish between the positions of experts who disagree violently over the minutiae of their speciality. But it is reasonably simple to identify anti-scientific frauds - especially when the flaws in their arguments are highlighted with this degree of clarity and thoroughness.
I love that a single mistake is an abominable sin that means that you cannot ever fux anyone else's mistake... forgetting that she is correcting a couple million of their own "mistakes". The number of seriously procludes them from even calling them mistakes that is a lie.
And the only mistake is that Erika thought that a creationist paper was competent at sourcing
Their mistakes are for Jesus, so don't count. Duh.
I suspect that Bechly went after Erika because he can't verbally hit Dave Farina anywhere near the level Dave spanked him. So he cowardly went after someone associated with Dave, thinking Erika might be an easier target. Well, we can see how well that worked out for him.
It's certainly good to see unscientific people being shown their limits.
The idea of Gunter, a polemicist hack, calling you "unfit for science" because of your bias is hilarious. Conservative projection at its finest.
every conservative accusation is a confession
The kind of person who criticizes people of their anonymity are the same people who want others to be doxxed.
And any man who criticizes a woman for choosing to maintain anonymity after daring to express her opinion on the internet is, at best, hopelessly naive.
@@anondecepticon Not naive, they're misogynistic.
@@SleepyMatt-zzz Also possibly dangerous.
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And you sound like a misandrist.
@@SleepyMatt-zzz
And you sound like a misandrist.
2 hours of Erika makes my day.
That video of a “student” stumping a museum expert is unwatchable. That’s the only time I’ve said that about any Aron video.
Their 'museum expert" is actually a preacher.
@@vestafreyja That's what makes it so unwatchable, and that's rare for me with anything Aron shows.
If it wasn't for Aron's "Wanda Wonder Wig" quips I probably couldn't have watched the whole thing.
The way the preacher plays it shamefaced-not as if the student is pointing out errors or things he hadn’t noticed, but catching him in purposeful lies-is enraging, after i was lied to my entire pre-college education about what evolution even is… by parents with secular sciences degrees, no less
I saw it first from Forrest Valkai, so i Knew what I was in for. I love that those in the auditorium audience never question the girls "evidence," it's just all "that girl is sooooooo right" adoration. 🤣
Always a good day when there’s a new gibbon video 😄
"and with that, its time for a costume change." Omg this is amazing
People like Gunter are the reason that Erika, and her “ilk”, are arguing about things that I learned about over 50 years ago; In spite of the incredible increase in evidence that supports evolution. Gunter and his ilk are so sure that they are right they believe evidence that doesn’t support their beliefs must be wrong.
The thing is while Dr. Bechly could certainly actually believe the stuff he's spouting, it's not really necessary. It's also a possibility that he could be presenting this way for financial gain.
Omg this is 😙👌 you saved me from boredom during a two hour potassium IV drip, my hero!
You gonna be okay?
@@AlbertaGeekI'll be right as rain, just dealing with a bit of dehydration.
@@Menoetia Cool, glad to hear it.
They don't have bananas where you live? Lol
@@snaptrap5558not IV bananas at least
I don’t have time to watch all of this now, so here is some engagement for support. 🙂
This is my first new release I’m catching after finding your channel! Former creationist kid and I really appreciate all your work!
I grew up neck deep in one of many anti-science movements of the 80's post that "moral majority" nonsense. There's a _very_ deep misogyny that was constantly present in those circles. Nothing threatens the "manhood" of those dorks more than a young educated woman. That is (in my opinion) why at times there's such venom in their approach when addressing GG. I once started listening to creationists doing a stream amongst themselves which I regretted 5 minutes in but I heard that they mentioned GG so I was curious. Immediately they went for her voice annoying them or her looks on some weird creepy level like she's literally an object to them and nothing more. I needed to take a shower after hearing that.
(not all creationists are disgusting misogynists, just to be clear... just sharing an anecdote and an opinion)
Tbh I would wager that the venn diagram between creationists and misogynists is nearly a circle.
@@GenesisTheKittysame
Christianity, and Abrahamism in general, is fundamentally misogynistic.
@@GenesisTheKitty You are seriously downplaying or misunderstanding misogyny in your preferred social class and ideology if you think that's the case. It's honestly quite disturbing to hear someone say something this ignorant of misogyny and who practices it and be upvoted so much.
@@elderyear It's hyperbole for effect. Of course we know that misogyny is a bigger circle and a much bigger problem. It's just that not much of the creationist circle lies outside of it.
The most egregiously offensive lie in Genesis Impact was the cropped picture of the Hadar archaeological find.
There were 96 skulls next to Lucy in the original, and several more jaws.
Genesis Impact: "Oh noooooo, Lucy was the only hominin we've ever found! So sad that there aren't a hundred others to analyze!"
Your interactions with the apologist "scientist" crowd is my favorite soap opera.
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This is the type of content that eventually swayed me. The complete evisceration of every counter point that I thought I had in the bag. I truly appreciate that you take/took the time in the past. Its that standard of evidence that really helps others that are truly looking.
Bechly: I wonder what will happen if i fuck around...?
it appears he found out
Later that day Bechly is found on a beach and is pronounced as Dead! No amount of miracles is going to ever revive him.
“Homo sapiens long bones found with cut marks, indicating butchering done with what appears to be stone tools.”
Well I’ll be damned, maybe Homo erectus did prey on other hominids.
Yep, that’s exactly what happened, moving on now.
😂
Erika's meme game is extremely strong. YECs should really consider the ramifications of provoking such power
He is to paleontology what James Tour is to chemistry.
That's pretty harsh.
Harsh, but true.😅
He also has alot to say about quantum mechanics. He is on the level of Deprak Chopra there.
🤬*MISTER ERIKA!!!*🤬
@@babotonddammit you beat me to this. Well played, you beautiful bastard. ;)
Erica is so scarily competent in her field. If you're going to come after the queen, better be armed with more than some schoolyard taunts, boys.
Hmmm.....Didn't actually know that about her. Cool!
OMG! You have been called a "Darwinist!" How will you survive the insult?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
"The hero the Discovery Institute deserved." I see what you did there, *chef's kiss*
"Costume change" puts a jacket on over the my chemical romance shirt 😂 that's the anti-anti-science jacket
Always makes my day to see a new 2 hour long gutsick gibbon video
Erica!!! Your inter-library loan from NM came from my state ❤ So glad to see NM supporting your efforts!!!🎉
Discovery Institute is a -think- confirmation bias tank.
more of a septic tank, really.
You are so killing it with the releases, thank you again. Was just rewatching your vid and saw the notif for this new one, got so psyched you won't believe it
Kitzmiller actually showed the evolution of ID through several transitional populations from the more basal Creation Science. I still cannot believe DI stayed in business after that.
Featuring my second favorite transitional form of all time (tiktaalik just barely edges it out), “cdesign proponentsists.”
@@HowToTrainYourDuncan lmao this made me laugh
It is kept alive by desperate american christians.
@@HowToTrainYourDuncan I'll always be fond of tiktaalik because not only is it exactly the right sort of transitional it was where it should have been both geographically and stratigraphically.
But for lulz "cdesign proponentsists" is still my favorite.
Kitmiller didn't show that.
Erika's last name isn't Gibbon? Is her middle name even Gutsick or is that a lie too?
It's Sick. Gut Sick. I don't know where the Erika nonsense comes from though.
😂
Maybe he meant your Adorable Elk?
Note to self: Do not, I repeat, do not, in any shape or form, piss off Gutsick Gibbon unless you're ready to get roasted to oblivion! 😂
One might even say - Gunther who?
At least don't do it while being wrong about everything.
I think that it is hard to do so in that as long as you argue in good faith and are not cruel than gutsick isn't going to have a problem.
You'd think little Guntie would have learned after getting pasted by Professor Dave.
Paste don't learn.
He learned to fuck with somebody else.
…He picked the wrong somebody.
As a grifter, he's betting on uneducated fencesitters going "monkey lady mean :
I think Gunter figured taking shots at a woman would be easier. *He was wrong.*
He should try arguing with a duck, that’s more his speed. Probably a rubber ducky, not like a real one who would also call him out.
@@thedave1771
He is, after all, a quack.
HEYOOOOOOO! 😆
Heck, with the Genesis map, you could prove God constructed a Circle K mini mart. They didn't think anyone would go to the trouble of a library loan.
1:04:00 Absolutely spot on. People behind computer screens love to obsess about _a_ mistake someone makes while ignoring all the good they accomplish and _have_ accomplished. Please do not take this shallow person to heart. *You know that intelligent people in the real world appreciate you and your hard work.*
Funny, I discovered the Gutsick Gibbon channel when I randomly watched the Rubutting Genesis Impact videos. It was very clear that Erika is a very intelligent and articulate biological anthropologist. Being moderately obsessed with hominins, I knew right away she was my anthropological hero.
Agreed. I think I've only ever really disagreed strongly with GG on one point. I'm not an ape. I'm a teapot.
@@tehspamgozehere You do you. I'm definitely an ape.
GG with the good stuff. Let's go!!
I am happy to see you fight back and defend yourself. You did not allow an affront to your personal dignity to stand, unchallenged. I myself also do not mind people who disagree with me. What I take strong exception to is when they mischaracterize and obfuscate what my positions are to more easily attack them, and resort to name-calling and personal ridicule. Not cool! It gives me great pride to see you correct the record and stand up for yourself.
Frankly I think you're entitled to hate this guy. He's given you that right.
You know they're "winning" the conversation when all they can do is talk shit, threaten to physically assault you, and point out one single mistake over and over again!
This gunter dude is such a fucking coward. I have enough videos that I can point to, to confidently say that I don't think there's anything gutsick says here that she wouldn't say to his face, but I also feel pretty confident that he wouldn't say half the shit he says in this article to her face.
As a German and a Geologist, I think I can safely say that he shames the entire country and field.
The NSF should give you a grant to support you debunking junk science.
Happy to be part of your deplorable ilk 💖 respect the hell out of you for the work you do, TH-cam and otherwise!
Thanks for the information! As always very enjoyable 😁 I would like to say I feel sorry for Gunters poor mother. I'm sure she is ashamed of his behavior 😮
G.G. you are a treasure in the science education community! Well done!!
You know things are about to get real when Erika pulls out the MCR shirt
Here in Brazil, the Ministry of Education (federal education administration) also considered Intelligent Design as a subject for Theology courses and UNRELATED to science. That's a major win for us, since we're the second largest Christian population in the world.
I would be glad to be categorized in the same ilk as Gutsick Gibbon.
can we get a rude girl super cut? just a full episode of jacket erika
Gonna be honest, i had this on as background noise because i like hearing you talk, and then i heard "interlibrary loan" and I immediately tuned in. I ❤ libraries 😁
Gutsick is a great debater, not because she "goes in for the kill", I don't think she's ever done that. She's just killing you with facts the whole time and you don't even realize it. It's just fact, after fact, after fact, after *crucial* fact. It's always either a direct refutation of the science or meaningful challenge to the claim; usually in the form of an honest question. It's the difference between something like:
Debatelord: "Oh, you think the Earth is flat? Well then how do you explain Time Zones? You can't? Oh, I guess you're fucking r*****ed."
vs.
Gutsick: "I've always been intrigued by flat Earth model. My only question would be that it seems like the sun would need to move in a manner inconsistent with observations to account for the changing times of day around the world. Perhaps you can explain?"
She just gutted your whole argument with verifiable facts and genuine curiosity. Cut so deep, you don't even realize you're bleeding.
The unseen blade is the deadliest. Especially if that blade is also a gibbon.
@@HowToTrainYourDuncanNow I want to draw a blade wielding gibbon
This is like science and diss rap combined into the best thing ever
55:30 "Professor, without knowing precisely what the danger is, would you say it's time for our viewers to crack each other's heads open and feast on the goo inside?"
"Yes I would, Kent".
Thank you Erika. I consider that your day preparing this exemplary rebuttal of Gunther's flaming video as a day well spent!!! ❤
Not giving out your true name to potential enemies is such a fundamentally sensible idea that it's embedded in our faierytales and a common practice throughout history. When someone takes issue at such a common and reasonable practice, it makes one wonder.
I don’t understand a lot of stuff you talk about. But you communicate it in a way that gives me an inkling of understanding. Enough to make me want to learn more. It takes me a few days to watch your videos because I might hear something every couple of minutes that I want to google and try to understand so I can understand what you’re talking about. Then I go down a wiki hole and end up at a TV show stub article about pirates or something.
Bump for the algo! You're my favorite youtuber Erika, love what you do!
Love your work, Erika. Keep doing what you do.
On behalf of the German people I would like to apologize for Günther Dingsbums.
It's not like we are in any way responsible for his actions, though. Also, we didn't choose our nationality when we were born.
Anyways, some commenter called him "Herr Kartoffelkopf" and I suggested "Dr. Kartoffelkopf" in response. Would you find that fitting for him?
At least he no longer lives in Germany.... Austria on the other hand...
There is nod need apologies on behalf of the Germans. We are such a nice and lovable people, well liked everywhere around the globe.
I love how creationists hear all the terms and arguments applied to them and they immediately go on a rant using those same terms. "Uh uh! YOU are!"
"So with that, it's time for a costume change". Ah yes, throwback to the Mean Jacket™!
My favorite thing about evolution is its a applied science nowadays. If you want to produce a enzyme with a particular function, scan a bunch of random ones that might have the function *although incredibly poor*, apply selective pressure, and your awful enzyme slowly gets converted to a very efficent enzyme.
I already watched professor Dave eviscerate Gunter and now I get to watch Erika. I feel so spoiled.
Man, I want to become a content creator on TH-cam, but I'm scared of people finding out my last name and tracking down my *father's* university office.
It's not like they'd even need to travel to our city to hurt him or me - just bombarding his office or the university in general with calls or his email with messages could cause a serious problem. (It's not like they'd even need to use their own phone number and send each call themselves if they are proficient in tech at all.)
It's completely insane to criticize *anyone* for hiding their name online.
The fact that your biggest mistake was thinking too highly of creationists, and the fact that he didn't even realize that was the mistake you made is yet more evidence that we live in a Monty Python sketch.
One of the problems with irrational belief systems, is they really impairs your decision making.
Have the conspiracy theorists moved from quote mining Steven j Gould to quote mining Mary Leakey?
Are they aware of any, you know, ALIVE scientists?
Living scientists would call them out.
@@Kyeudo,
Living scientists can respond to questions via e-mail...
They tried it with Dr Mary Schweitzer, and she tore them a new one in several interviews. They're probably scared of doing that again.
How wonderful that GG ponders that she might now hate Gunther, but then can't let herself go that far ❤
In Bechly's own words;
"Instead of Neo-Darwinism, I endorse a modern version of saltationism, mutationism, and orthogenesis, based on non-random adaptive macro-mutations (analogous to Schindewolf's and Goldschmidt's "hopeful monster" hypothesis, more recently endorsed by Rieppel 2017), correlated with the spatiotemporal instantiation of non-material and eternal templates (platonic forms) that function as attractors ("special transformism" sensu Chaberek 2017)."
"Certainly, we find organisms that are “morphologically intermediate” bearing resemblances to organisms that came before and others that came later. What we don’t find is the smooth curve of change expected by Darwinian theory, a “fossil lineage that shows a gradual transition from one form into the other.” The record of abrupt appearances, “explosions” (not just the famous Cambrian explosion), “revolutions,” etc., is not the exception but the rule. Given conventional evolutionary assumptions, this should not be the case!"
He neglects punctuated equilibrium and ignores the works of fellows such as Gould and Eldredge, whom he should most definitely know about.
Just reading that hurts my head. I've had an easier time reading abstracts by real scientists. Creationists are good at word salads as a means of misdirection so most people don't notice the glaring holes in their arguments
Ah... who doesn't know the platonic forms that made macrojumps happen including the sudden appearence of mosquitoes to fake their insectness... wait what?
@@Angelmou all the captains and engineers in the history of Star Trek combined haven't spouted the amount of pseudoscientific jargon that creationists do in a single podcast
The Cambrian explosion took 50 million years. Not quite the Hollywood blockbuster that he wants the faithful to imagine.
Excellent forensic work. I do like these deep dives into original sources... but it does deflect from me working out why my software isn't working (which can be pretty tedious!). 🙂
Good luck and keep at it. I know how frustrating it can often be.
Saying Dave Farina is "a *little bit* more aggressive" is a wild way to say " *unhinged* compared to me" 😂
its because they fear you! ... they are wetting themselves in FEAR!!
having some beers, and some gutsick gibbon pounding facts like a hammer with nails, life is good