Best Jon Boat Motor for the Money & Why
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I have a 6 hp Honda on mine been having it for 7 years still runs like brand new
Thats awesome! I know I really enjoy mine
I have one of these. I modified the engine bracket to mount the engine inboard to improve balance. Also I welded extensions on the horizontal gimbal to balance the drive system by shifting the center of gravity of the engine away from the pivot point to balance against the mass mass of the long tail. It works perfect! And the tail does not sink: you control the tiller with just light side-to-side pressure
Awesome vid
Just getting into these motors myself as a part time marine mechanic, I’m tired of reviving old outboards . It’s time for a change ,this is gonna be fun . Thanks for all the info in your video
Hey, thanks! I've really enjoyed them. They are very simple, and fun to work on when you want to it. If you don't feel like working on it and modifying it, it'll still perform great. Very fun and reliable. Let me know if you have any questions. Best of luck!
Thanks Gator making this video I enjoyed watching it and I love my Long tail engine
Great idea for a boat motor.. especially for the price.. I live in Louisiana so it would work great here... most definitely gonna be worth considering .. thx for your videos.. keep it up..,also I love that trolling motor... is it saltwater..??
The motor has been great too. I really enjoy it. The trolling motor is a saltwater series. It is a Motor Guide Great White 55lb - 12v trolling motor. Works great for what I use it for
Excellent Video! Very INFORMATIVE- Keep en coming wish Videos were around like this when I started my Longtail Journey-
That was the reasoning behind this channel. I couldn't find anything I need so I figured I would supply it. Thanks for stopping by and watching Jack Lowe!👊
Love your channel man
Thank you Brodey!!
Great. Thanks, JT. Now I REALLY want one!
Hahaha my apologizes! I can't help myself 😅 Thanks for watching SluSharkND!! Let me know when you do end up with one haha
You can do slightly bigger carb a header and rlv muffler billet rod an flywheel an a cam of your liking port the head an make 15hp to 35hp easy. If you know what your doing and do it right😎 just don't blow it on a boat you'll be out some money depending your build!
Yeah, that's my only worry haha there is so many things you can do with these small engines and I think they would be great to learn from, but you better know what you're doing if you need to rely on the engine
Someone that doesn't know much on engines I'd recommend leaving stock. Someone like me that has some experience with different engines other then just these. I would say doing some work to one
Sound advice 👌 thank you for stopping by and commenting Kylee Bates! It helps others out when they go searching for ideas and answers
Very welcome buddy glad to see you getting an interest in these engines and boats
35 hp “easy”,.. NOPE
You can get 18/20 hp fairly easily and lose most of your reliability much easier
LEAVE THEM ALONE (for the most part),...
Sooooo many keyboarders that say 25-30 (hell 35hp) is easy& street/ boatable, total poppycock~ you want that power they have a motor for that, and its sure as hell not a single cylinder,.. and its five times the price
Keep close to the engines original parameters, bump it up to around 4,300 RPMs MAX on a GX390 stock conn rod, beyond that you are on borrowed time,.. (these are NOT GX200 clones, reciprocating mass is much heavier)
Putting $800 into a $300 engine is well just stupid, not to mention the loss of reliability
I was thinking of this same setup..now Im sure ..
I think its the best set up ever. A 1436 jon boat with a 13hp mud motor. Perfect for one guy and could even fit up to three guys if the occasion called for it, light enough to move by yourself if you get stuck, and very affordable and customizable
Love my swamp runner I run a really shallow rocky river and it does great. I do break a decent amount of props sadly.
Thats unfortunate. You could get a stainless prop but I don't know how that would treat the drivetrain. Are you on plane the majority of the time?
@@JTgatoring we’ve tried stainless still. Doesn’t do much better we have plastic on the bottoms of our boats to help out a lot. We are on plane a lot especially when it’s gets low like it is now.
@@jackoff8919 Being on plane normally brings that wake up higher in the water column which brings the prop up with it so you shouldn't be hitting too much while on plane I would think. Let me know if I'm wrong. Swamp runner does have a prop guard but I hear its not meant for planing on due to the drag/resistance of it.
@@JTgatoring no it most definitely does help but when it gets really low like it’s is now it gets beat up still.
@@jackoff8919 roger that. Lucky I run pretty silty, muddy water. Not too many rocks where I'm at. If I go center of the state (Florida) then there are limestone cutouts that you can wreck it on, but I haven't run there yet. I guess just be careful and have multiple props in the boat
When I considered one of the long tails a few years ago they were not recommended for salt water. Has that changed?
These motors were originally designed to run in saltwater over in Thailand, hence the name Thai longtail. To answer your question, yes these longtails will run in saltwater without issue. As Jeff McCain said, the engine is sealed and air cooled so it will be alright. For the longtail kit, the shaft seems to be galvanized steel and the inner shaft is steel so it should be alright. I know a few people that run in saltwater and I haven't heard of any issues. If you run a lot in saltwater, I would recommend the Extreme Saltwater series shaft for your kit, because it comes with a stainless steel inner shaft. To maintenance the kit for long-term storage or for heavy saltwater use, every now then take the shaft off of the engine, rinse the outside and inside of the shaft off, stand in up in a buck in a corner, and pour some engine oil down the inside of the shaft and let it drain into the bucket.
Assuming none of these predator engines have any sort of 12v generator? One benefit to going toward a small merc is some of them have 12v output so you can charge your batteries while in transit.
I believe the 13hp unit and the 22hp unit both have a charging system on them to recharge your battery when running. I don't know though because I do not use the electric start or have a battery hooked up.
@@JTgatoring The 22hp puts out 7 amps. Not a lot, but enough to keep a battery topped off.
@@slrs3908 Thanks for letting me know! I need to look into it and understand it better. See what my trolling motor is pulling and what a fish finder pulls and see how that 7amps will affect battery life with that kind of stuff
That's quick for 13 horse cool setup!
Yeah, I really enjoy it! The motor is stock too. I'm rebuilding the transom right now and want to get a used motor for cheap and build it up to see what I can get speed wise.
Are you still running this motor? I'm in between 13HP Predator or a 9HP Honda setup
@@seanvanwie6415 Yes. I really enjoy the 13hp engine. I would recommend the predator 13hp engine because there's so many parts and upgrades available for it. I do not how popular the 9hp honda is and how available those parts are, but the 13hp has been running good
What size prop for a fully built billet stroker, big valve ported head predator 212 pushing around 20 hp on a alumacraft 1436 , currently have a 6.5 inch and will spin it 8500rpms in the water without bogging any .
Depends on your brand of longtail. If you have a swamp runner, they have plenty of performance props to choose from. They would know better than I would for that setup. I know my stock 6.5hp engine can only spin a maximum size of 7" standard. The 13hp can spin a Standard 9" or an 8.5" hurricane prop.
Hi JT. I really enjoy your content. It's very informative. I am super new to mud motors and I am trying to learn which options I should choose for a Beavertail Stealth 2000 sneakboat. Do any of these systems have options for quick detach mounts, so that I can easily take the motor on/off a small sneak boat (e.g. loading/unloading, variations in hunting scenarios, etc.)
Thanks for your help!
Hey Garrett, thank you for your support! So with the swamp runner kit, to remove the engine from the transom bracket, all you have to do it remove a cotter pin and nut and the engine will pull straight up and out of the transom bracket. I can do this by myself with a 13hp engine but its heavy. Anything smaller would be a lot easier.
@@JTgatoring Thanks! Do you have a video which outlines common spare parts and tools that never leave your boat? This would be really helpful as well.
One more question:
So again, I'm trying to decide what to buy for a small 2-man sneak boat (Beavertail Stealth 2000). The boat itself only weighs 130 lbs. I weigh roughly 275 lbs and would likely be bringing my brother (180 lbs.) on a lot of trips. My goal is to be able to get through a lot of very shallow water/mud, not so much thick grass as in your video on getting yourself unstuck...basically, I still want enough engine to get us around through the muck...I'm not that worried about speed.
So based on my situation, do you think you would recommend the mini or the small swamp runner?
I do not have a video on the usuals I bring with me. I can definitely make it though. For the two man sneak boat. The 1436 alumacraft jon boat you see in all these videos weighs 135lb empty, so that may be better for two people. When you need to go through mud and especially thick vegetation, you need torque. The mini and small just don't have the torque to do it. It will not be able push two guys through mud or grass. It will push you in open water, but not on top of mud or through thick grass. The small on a 6.5hp may be able to push a single man through, but those small engines just do not have the torque to eat up grass or power through pudding. The 13hp is needed to started really moving material. Small would best fit you for your situation. It can be single man or two man operation, light enough to carry yourself, and has more power than the mini. The mini is for going from A to B, only single man operation, very small boat, and then pulling it over or through mud or thick grass.
Great review
Thank you Clayton!
What size motor would you recommend for a topper 1542?
Most people pair the 1542 with the 22hp predator engine. You could also put a 21hp or 23hp vanguard Briggs on it also. The Briggs cost a little more but have a solid name behind them and a good warranty. But with the 22hp predator being less expensive is more popular, and it would be easier to find parts for the 22hp predator along with troubleshooting issues
@@JTgatoring The Predator 22hp has become very popular. So the price has been going up. Now about 2/3 the price of the Briggs Vanguard 23 hp.. For the three year warranty, local service, smaller size and weight, I would go with the Vanguard 23.
@@jeffconley6366 It seems like a solid argument. I haven't noticed the price increase but I think you're right.
How do you know when your motor and shaft is balanced correctly?
The motor and shaft are balanced correctly when you are able to get on plane, at speed, and be able to pull up on the lever with one finger. The prop finds its place and stays there without any persuasion. At first, when the motor is not running, it will seem like it's tail-heavy where you have to push down on the tiller handle. It is not "balanced" as in the engine weight cancels out the tail weight. If this were true, it would not have enough tail weight to keep the prop in the water and this is how most American-style longtails are "balanced" and also why they need the ride plate above the prop. The ride plate is what keeps the prop in the water on the American-style longtail and the props need to be fully submerged. With a thai longtail, the tail weight holds the prop in the water and the prop is only half submerged where one prop ear is in the water while the other is out. The tail weight goes away on the thai longtail once you start forward progress, the prop will rise and find its place, and the tiller handle will start to feel weightless or "balanced"
@@JTgatoring thanks! This helps out a lot!
I love your deck on your boat.., !!! .. I want one..lol
Haha thank you! It took a little bit of work, but it was totally worth it!
OH I almost forgot... Has anyone had a problem getting their Swamp Runner titled in Texas. I was told it is easy but I wold just have to find the Game Warden in a good mood to issue a title and number for it and sign the paperwork. Texas Requires Boats and Motors to have titles.
I have not had anyone bring that up before. I would just look and/or talk to others that may have them or email your Game Warden about it. I know for a fact that there are plenty of these motors out running around in Texas
I know this was a year ago but I didn't have a problem. I used a rotary tool to engrave the serial number on to the flange area.
That's awsome man .cheap fun .I'm getting one for sure.
I really enjoy mine. It got me out on the water and having a good time. If you do end up getting one, I hope you enjoy it as much as I have
@@JTgatoring you said it would be good for rocky rivers that's what I will be dealing with.no swamp.would they work on a v haul.
Yeah theres a lot of people running them on v hull boats. They seem to perform well on them. Just check your bottom width at the transom. If its 42" or wider you'll need a 100" shaft
@@JTgatoring right on thank you
@@kentparadis4264 No problem. Have fun!
Put the motor 90° and just put it barely in the water and you can turn around on the spot
That is true! That is normally how I turn around. Sometimes I'll row, but most of the time its just easier to let the prop do the work haha
I have the same size boat, same kit, was thinking of upgrading to the predator v-twin can’t seem to decide wether or not it would be too much? And wasn’t sure how adding another 15 inches worth of shaft would work out
I would not do it. My transom failed once; so I put the transom plate support on it. It's now bubbling and bending the whole transom and I need to replace the entire transom this fall/winter. Also, the additional weight would make the rear of the boat sit down further in the water, increasing your chances of swamping the boat coming off of plane. I would not recommend putting a vtwin on unless its a 16hp vtwin briggs
Any insight on the cheap mudskipper/cuppedwing surface drive kits...I believe they are all cks based...are they alright for the money?
I just mess around with longtails. I haven't owned a surface drive. Mudskipper used to sell the CKS surface drives but now cuppedwing sells them. Not my cup of tea. The only reason I would like a surface drive is to be able to have reverse and last time I checked, those kits do not have reverse. I think a longtail is better than a surface. After dealing with their product and hearing other people's experiences, I do not recommend them to anyone.
Los vídeos hay qué realizarlo con dos botes y filmar de atrás hacia adelante para poder enfocar todo el bote
What are some problems you run into when fishing with a long tail setup? Does it get annoying or would it be fine fishing two people out of a boat like yours?
I find it beneficial when fishing. I put the longtail out behind the boat so that only the skeg is in the water so when I operate the trolling motor at the front, it steers like a dream. I really enjoy the longtail. If you like trolling, it may be an issue, but I haven't had any issues with it while fishing or alligator hunting.
@@JTgatoring thanks for the quick response man. I might hit you up with more questions in the near future!
@@rossbuerger5040 Roger that. Let me know, I'll be here
Is that thing electric start, may invest for duck hunting
It has both a pull start and an electric start for the 13hp engine. So if the electric start fails or the battery is dead, you can still pull start it
People here in Thailand keep the tiller straight not bent up I bend it down and you guys bend it up LOL What's the advantage as you see it to that big bend, standing up? Man, I wouldn't want to stand. It's comfortable straight or down sitting I could never use it that way, no one I know has that tiller. My boat runs hands off the tiller but ready to pull up if need be, you say you need to constantly be pulling up how can you stand that for a long time doesn't your arm get sore perhaps you need to balance it out? That set up matches the boat nice and good to see young people loving the sport I have been at it 30 years don't forget to have fun.
The bend up is for operating the longtail while standing. The bend in the handle was a modification to the kit to ride better in the modern American jon boat. With the straight handle, if you hit something in the water, making your tail jump, in reaction pushing the handle down, it would bottom out on the seat and dent the seat or bend the handle depending on the situation like jumping a dam or going over timber.
"My boat runs hands off the tiller but ready to pull up if need be, you say you need to constantly be pulling up" If you could give me the time code I said that, please add it to the comment because I missed that. Maybe you're referring to @ th-cam.com/video/A4q_60jLDqU/w-d-xo.html - I did say you have to keep constant pressure on the handle while you're not operating it and that's why you need a tie down for the tiller handle, and then I continued on to say that the motor is weightless while on a plane. This set up rides with one finger on the throttle and is very easy to handle.
These motors have really started to grab some attention and its definitely awesome to hear the positive feedback from others after they get one. It has treated me great so far!
I left the straight shaft handle on mine, i have the bent shaft on my 212cc kit
I prefer the straight shaft on the 420cc, allows me to muscle the prop down into the water at wide open throttle from the seated position which is a safety issue im my eyes, i see no need to stand at wide open throttle~ but i’m also running twisty Ozark creeks with low hanging branches and not relatively open water either
@@brianboyee8972 I like to stand when I start going down the backwater creek and rivers or in the shallows. It helps me see things I should steer clear of. In open when I normally sit down because there's normally nothing to hit haha. I had the straight handle on my 212 kit but I haven't ran that in a while.
Would you recommend the 22hp or 13hp? I have a 14 ft with aluminum deck two deep cycle batteries, no middle bench. Also reinforced the hull since I took the middle bench out as well as the transom
14 ft boat with a 22hp would be too heavy on the back end and the transom would have to be very strong without being too thick or else the transom mount would fit. So I would recommend a 13hp motor on a 1436 jon boat
Great Video.. Thanks for sharing.........Take A Boy Fishing Today...:)
Thank you for taking the time to stop by! 👍
Yes take anybody fishing. ! 🐟
I have a question. Ive been doing research on differences between the small kits and medium kits. I cant find where it talks about differences. It says differences motor wise but not the actual kit itself. You have really good videos and i want to know the difference between small and medium kits. Could i possibly run a 13hp on a small kit? Or would it not work?
You would not be able to run a 13hp on a small kit. There are two main differences between kit sizes. Your first difference is the bolt pattern on the bottom of the engine and on the side crankcase cover where the output shaft is (where you coupler bolts too) The bolt patterns are different for each kit size. The second reason is balance. Each kit needs to be balanced and a small kit will not be able to properly balance a medium kit size engine. Don't fight the system. Get the proper size kit that is recommended for your engine size and the setup will ride as it was designed to do
Makes since. Really thinkin ab the 212 for my 14ft. Thanks man!
@@jalenbergeron9760 I was able to get 12mph with the 6.5hp 212cc predator engine and a small kit on my 1436. Best of luck!
Great video 👍
Thank you +Son of a fisherman!
you think this setup would be good on a 13 gheenoe? I have it already, just need to put it all together
You can put a longtail on a gheenoe but a gheenoe's hull design is not a planing hull so your speed may not be the best. It will definitely fit and propel the boat, but I haven't heard too much feedback from people doing it.
I have a honda 13 hp running my 1436 and with 2 people it will only go about 3mph at full throttle is there anything you know of I could check
It would depend on the mud motor kit you have. You may also want to get a tachometer to make sure that the engine is reaching the full RPM's. You would also have to make sure that the load in the boat is within the load capacity of the hull. I'm 150lbs and my front deck is pretty light and its a riveted boat. You would also have to check the prop size and match it to the load. Your RPM's will tell you what the prop is doing.
would it move a homemade pontoon?
Yes, it should. I've seen a few people put them on a pontoon boat. Just depends on what size the boat is and how fast you want to go
Those predators are solid motors. Did you get rid of the oil sensor so when you tilt it, it doesn't die?
I never ran into that issue. The motor is stock and I have not removed the oil sensor
@@JTgatoring Nice! We have 2 of the 301cc Preds on Karts. Torn to sharp and they kill. We just bypassed it.
@@Ajaxaxxess I guess I got lucky with it! Those carts are fun too! Thanks for stopping by and watching!
Can you use this motor in salt water
Yes, you can. It was designed for saltwater use
Great job.
Pie Xayarangsy thank you!
How did you make your transom perpendicular to the water to mount your motor? Mine is angled, wondering what your solution was
My transom is heavily angled too and is one of the reasons why I chose the Swamp Runner mud motor. This brand of mud motor kit was able to be mounted on that and still run without issue. The transom did start to fail while I was testing some mud motor kits and I had to repair it, but the angle on the transom is the same.
I am looking into getting my first ever boat. What do you think I should get if I am trying to stay under 2k. I dont need anything crazy. Just wanna be able to fish out of it
It depends on what you want to do. You can do a 10 footer with a 6.5hp longtail and trolling motor that fits in a truck bed if you just want to fish. If you don't mind having a trailer or would prefer a trailer, then I would go with a 1436 and a 6.5hp engine. You'll be able to get at least 12 mph with a light load and maybe even faster. You'll also be able to fit two people on the 1436. 10 footer would always be solo
@@JTgatoring what are your thoughts on having all electric motors instead of a gas. I am not sure how many of my lakes allow gas
@@tylersvrusis8050 Its possible I guess... but its something I'm not familiar with. The 55lb thrust trolling I use is great. I've spent all day using it without a gas engine so I guess it wouldn't be an issue. Just stay in protected areas and close to the ramp. I have three types of propulsion on the boat. mud motor, trolling motor, and paddle.
Have you tried backwaters long tail kit they seem to use really high quality stuff
I will be testing the backwater kit soon
Love your videos, really new to the mud motor scene. I'm looking to put a set up on a 10 ft Jon boat. What's my ideal predator motor size?
That would be the 6.5hp predator. If you're looking at getting a longtail. I highly recommend a swamp runner. Their small kit fits thats engine. If you have any questions just let me know!
@@JTgatoring thanks! I'll probably be doing that!
@@sirswimsalot247 Let me know how it goes!
@@JTgatoring would a 6.5 predator and the swamp runner longtail get on plane with a 14 foot jon boat? If not do you think a 12 foot jon boat would get on plane with that setup?
Do you think the system is a better made system than mudskipper?
Yes, without any doubt.
@@JTgatoring anything that you can tell me, that separates them? They pretty much seem to be the same thing. Building a little duck boat. Want what will work the best
@@JTgatoring found your comparison videos after leaving last comment. Have watched them all. Think I'm sold on the swamp runner. Dig the content 👌
@@kaiserexpeditions8636 Hey Kaiser, glad you found the video series. Yeah, after testing all of them together the swamp runner just performed the best for me. When it comes to Thai longtails, I would recommend no other.
Are those motor legally to run in lakes?
To the best of my knowledge. You would have to check with your local regulations. I do know that some bodies of water that already have heavy regulations do limit their use, but the majority of water bodies do not have regulations on them.
I have the same setup. 14 / 36 jon and a 420 long tail. In my opinion the 420 is too heavy for the boat. If I'm by myself all gear must be in the front and the boat is a little too top heavy. center of gravity too high.
Will it run in saltwater?
Yes.
I am convinced... Not just by your videos but mostly by them. I have been doing research for the last 6 months or so about Jon boats, Mud Motors etc. Jon boat builds etc... I AM GOING TO GET A MEDIUM Kit with a HF 8 HP engine to match it with . I thought about a 13 but many lakes do not allow engines over 10 hp on a Jon Boat etc. because of different rules.
Do you think that would be good enough for a 1448 JB just to get from point A to point B for some fishing so I could save my trolling motor from the long runs? OR maybe should I go more with like a 1436 JB. I am also kinda thinking stability as my Wife and Partner has had total Both hips replacement surgery as well as both total knees replaced and just need something to putter around to and from fishing holes with.
Haven't got the boat yet BUT I DO KNOW what I am planning on getting as for Christmas ... I still have to tell the wife...lol... BUT I can always get a head start and then tell her I have to get a boat to go with the motor we already have in the garage...
So you're set on the 8hp and an SPS medium kit. Check. Now the boat to go with the motor.
Needs: stable enough for the wife and go to & from fishing spots to save trolling motor battery.
So if you are not worried about speed, and you don't need to go through the swamp and the marsh, and you're just using it as you would an outboard, the 1448 JB will be great. You will need a 100" shaft for the wider boat, but you shouldn't experience any handling issues.
The 1436 is stable enough for me but it can rock a bit, especially with two people and if one isn't considerate about the other. I don't know how stable the 1448 will be, but going wider for what you need shouldn't be any problem! Just put a floor in it and your wife should be fine!
Get a 1448...nobody ever says they want a smaller boat,but a cheap outboard and a trolling motor is better then a longtail.longtails put a toll on a body and will break your leg or arm if you hit something hard.fyi...long tails prefer skinny boats to have the best performance.
The 8 hp is a huge mistake
Get a medium SPS, and get a Predator 420, Hemi or non Hemi, both great motors,.. i lean Hemi just because the valvetrain
* the valvetrain is superior
Stay away from the 301cc motor man, its an odd duck& a big regret if you go that route
My boat is a 1448 Lowe, 420cc Lifan,..
I go 23 Solo, but its work, because hull is too wide,.. do not exceed 42” wide at bottom, but even narrower is ideal
The length of the 14’ hull will give you stability,..
Dont go 14’48”, its ok but it could run better
Do you think I should get a duromax 16hp motor for some extra power to help push two people in a 1436 boat and risk it not being as quality as the reviews claim, or get a 13 hp predator?
The 16hp "name/rating" on the Duramax is just marketing. It is a 420cc engine, same as the Predator 13hp 420cc engine. There is no difference in displacement, or bore, or stoke. I have not heard good things about the Duramax engines but I also haven't used one. The two predator engines I have work great and I haven't had any issues so that's what I would stick with and recommend.
JTgatoring ok , thanks
👍😃great job
Thank you GetOutTheHouseGoFish!!
Um what if it rains can the block get wet it would suck to have it crack lol
Haha I would think it would be fine... I've had mine out in a drizzle, but not a rain. I've trailered it through the rain while coming back from running it all day and nothing happened so I would think it would be fine. I normally don't go out on rainy/windy days here in Florida. It can get nasty quick
@@JTgatoringgot ya ! Nice setup 👍 yeah I'm down in miami myself Those days are for netflix hahah
@@mrsuarez430 Yeah so you know how it is haha😅 yeah the motor should be fine though 👍
where can i buy the trolling motor mount
The trolling motor mount was made of wood. I made a video about it here - th-cam.com/video/LECyTWHgLUA/w-d-xo.html
Do you think that set up would work with the 22hp predator? I have pretty much the same boat I'm trying to put it on
If the transom doesn't fail. Mine failed with the 13hp motor. Check out my other videos and you'll see what I'm talking about. I wouldn't put a 22hp on a 1436 jon boat.
@@JTgatoring Okay good to know, realistically 20+ mph is more than fast enough for a boat this size anyhow. Thank you for the reply!
@@noahpatten4249 You got it! I am more than happy at 20mph in the boat. Fast enough for me and does what I need it to do. 👍
Will these hold up in salt water?
Yes, they were designed to run in saltwater. If you are really worried about it, they offer a "saltwater" version that has a stainless steel inner shaft
JT gatoring I bought a mud skipper twister XL when I have two guys about a hundred 50 lb a piece it takes off like it's going to go pretty quick and then it hits kind of like a neutral would that be because of cavitating ?
I do not know anything about the twister kits from mud skipper. I have only heard bad things about them. They are completely different than a thai longtail. I would be able to help you figure it out if it was a longtail but the way a twister is set up is completely different in the way it rides and the way the prop is designed. My guess is that the prop is slipping.
@@JTgatoring I got a Twister xl on a 13 hp predator at 1st no cavitation plate on it it didn't work very good I put a cavitation plate on it works great better than my Thai longtail I can turn sharper turns with it just letting you know.
@@maddog45auto66 Awesome so adding a ride plate fixed your issue? The way those motors are set up, I would compare it to a surface rather than a longtail. Are you getting the same speed and performance out of the twister?
@@JTgatoring it sure feels like I'm getting faster speeds better handling for sure
@@maddog45auto66 If it works for you, great! That means its doing what you need it too
What speeds did u get out of the 6.5 on that bost
I got 12mph on a stock 6.5hp predator engine and small swamp runner kit. I didn't speed test that set up though. I probably could have gotten more out of it with a bigger prop
JTgatoring have you ever pulled one of the mud runner kits offf to put on a new motor wondering how much of a pain it would be
@@dylanjohnson6361 I tested 3 different Thai mud motors on the same engine so I had to take each one on and off the engine if that's what you're asking? If you're talking about taking the whole engine off the boat, it has a clamp mount so you would just unscrew the clamp and take the whole engine and kit off.
JTgatoring my buddy is pretty much giving me a 8hp predator I was gonna use for a couple years till I can afford to upgrade to the 13hp thanks for the info
@@dylanjohnson6361 You would have to buy a medium kit for that 8hp engine anyway, so that would be completely viable to switch that same medium kit to the 13hp. It would be very straight forward and pretty easy to do as long as you did the first install so you were familiar with it. Thanks for stopping by!
how do you trailer the boat with the motor mounted?
Here is a video of it - th-cam.com/video/Xi93T68Eqto/w-d-xo.html any questions just let me know!
What are your thoughts on the Mud-Skipper Twister XL?
Not good. The drivetrain of the Twister is a cable. That is how it makes that bend. I have heard too many people complain of their cable breaking and then getting stranded. Its not reliable when you compare it to a standard Thai longtail like the sps swamp runner, and especially if you plan to use it in rough terrain.
how do you determine which length to run 85 or 100?
It depends on your bottom width. If the bottom of your transom measures less than 40" the 85" shaft will work. If its 40" or above go with the 100" shaft. Also, if you plan to go over 20mph, I would go with the 100".
@@JTgatoring Thank you for the reply. 1436 is what I have. Thanks so much 😉
Slap a stage 2 kit and she would rlly fly
I bet she would!! I've been keeping it stock so other people who are interested know what to expect out of a stock engine and what they can do with it.
Stage two and stage three on the water virtually no difference whatsoever, just louder& gives up considerable reliability
Leave them very close to stock& get BACK TO THE RAMP EVERY TRIP,..
My “build” motor gained maybe 3mph,.. just leave em’ alone and enjoy them in factory trim IMO
I pull governor& run better air cleaner, re-jet carb and leave it alone...
It takes considerable horsepower gains on water to see actual performance difference, there’s a big difference from go carts and mini bikes (direct drive) to delivering power in a marine platform,.. seemingly insignificant “stage one, stage two” blah blah changes you simply are just throwing money in the toilet~
Save that money for more props and other emergency on the water spare parts
What is the max MPH you've gotten her too?
So far it has been 23mph with the stock non modified 13hp predator engine and normal fishing gear for one person
@@JTgatoring is it loud?
@@bmlaforge No. It sounds like a lawnmower but moving at that speed you don't get much of the sound. I normally wear hearing protection everywhere and I don't feel like I have to wear it when operating it. But once you put an upgraded exhaust on it... yeah it gets really loud
@@JTgatoring Good to know. Thank you for all of the info and getting back to me. I really appreciate!
@@bmlaforge You betcha! No problem. Let me know what you end up doing. Thank you for the support!
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Hey I was wondering have you ever tried one of the Twister shaft from what I've been explained it's at hybrid between a long tail and a surface Drive I know there's a couple kids out there mudskipper makes one don't know if you would ever tried it before if so what were your experiences with them
I have not had any experience with the Twister mud motor. I have had many, many people tell me that they would choose a traditional longtail over a twister due to the fact that the Twister uses a cable to turn the prop. Some people say that cable lasts for a year and some say it breaks on the first day out on the water. I wouldn't consider it reliable and would not use one personally unless I was just testing for this channel. If you aren't going to run any vegetation or mud, then the chances of it breaking decrease, but just from researching it and having people contact me about it, most people switch from the twister to a longtail, and normally to a swamp runner longtail because they had a bad experience with mud skipper.
Thanks I really want a surface Drive I just can't afford them right now I wish somebody built one that wasn't crazy expensive
@@thekevorlando Yeah, a thai longtail has fewer parts and is produced overseas. A surface drive has a lot more metal, more expensive labor if built in the US, and are built onto an engine which has to cost an arm and a leg to ship haha the only thing a thai longtail doesn't have compared to a surface drive is gear reduction and reverse. Other than that, I think a longtail in most cases is better
I had one. Sad to say it was a massive pos. I've got the sps kit now. Everything about the twisted shaft felt wrong...
Kickass
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man, the music is too loud, cant make out what you r saying
I'm sorry about that, I'm still trying to get better at editing these videos
I'd like to see your seating rig.
I did a boat overview here - th-cam.com/video/Xi93T68Eqto/w-d-xo.html
I know I’m late but predator is a high quality honda clone.
They've lasted pretty good for me.
I did not know that, very cool!
Looking sps motor for a 1448 jonboat
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What size
@@kennyhaworth9606 22hp predator & large sps kit. Make sure the boat is rated to handle it
JTgatoring
I had a 35hp johnson on it those motors are heavy as you know
How do I find out?
As far as wet lander what size kit
@@kennyhaworth9606 The boat will have plate on it that will tell you the weight rating and hp rating.
For the wetlander bottom coating that goes on the bottom of the boat. Roughly guess/measure how many sq. ft. you will be covering. Whether you're doing just the bottom, or also the sides, maybe even the transom.. just know how much sq ft you are covering. Half gallon kit covers 100 sq ft and the next size is the gallon kit that covers 200 sq ft. This info can be found on their website
PPF or Backwater are lightyears ahead of SPS in the durability category. Flimsy skeg, no cavitation plate, painfully long drive shaft...the SPS is just a ticking time bomb.
You really think so? The skeg is not flimsy on this kit. I can guarantee you that. No cavitation plate (even though its a ride plate) means less to get caught on grass and hung up. The long shaft is too reach the wake behind the boat and keeps the prop inline with your engine's shaft making it more efficient. What would make the SPS or any longtail kit a ticking time bomb?
@@JTgatoring the cavitation plate is designed to keep the prop right under the water where it is most efficient.
A 55-65" shaft will do the same thing speed wise but be far more maneuverable.
The SPS picks up more weeds compared to a PPF and Backwater, there are TH-cam videos showing it.
In terms of a ticking time bomb, look around on Mud Motor forum or Refuge Forums. Guys have handles come loose, bearings go bad, drive shafts cracking, you name it.
There is a reason it costs less. I'm not saying it's not functional, but for a couple hundred bucks more you could have a way better setup.
@Mountains and Marches I apologize, this message was flagged as spam and I didn't see it.
For the cavitation plate and shaft angle, I don't know for sure, but I would think its just as efficient (if not more efficient) behind the boat in that wake. With the sps longtail, the prop rides in that wake and your prop is almost above the waterline so you greatly decrease your chances of hitting submerged objects
A shorter shaft would be more maneuverable, but with that angle on the shaft coming out from the engine, it's not as efficient as the straight shaft of a longtail that is in line with the engine. Is it noticeable in speed? I don't know, but I would like to find out.
These thai kits do seem to pick up weeds but I'm trying to fix that. I have a solution, but not everyone is going to find that solution.
Swamp Runner kit will not have a bearing go bad, or crack a shaft. Maybe on another brand, but I can almost guarantee not on an SPS kit. Handles coming loose can be bad luck or improper installment. Due to the handle and bolts used on the SPS kit, it would be user error for the handle to come loose. There's one bearing in the SPS kit which is in the coupler housing that should always have grease in it, even though the bearing is a sealed stainless bearing, and drive shafts don't crack... an aluminum prop will break before cracking an internal or external shaft.
The SPS kit is affordable because it's built in Thailand, and not the US. $400 compared to $1400. That's $1,000 difference... I would argue that the SPS longtail is actually better than a backwater kit too.
Mountains and Marshes you are a parrot
The brands you mention are copies off of the SPS Genius
And the prop is BY DESIGN supposed to run 1/2 in 1/2 out of the water GENIUS,..
You dont even know how a longtail surface drive operates M&M, how bout you get a clue
These boat engines are like Bic lighters. You throw it away when you're done. I mean if it breaks buy another so ORDER TWO OR THREE KITS. ;)
It's only money
can pretty much get this setup for 400 bucks with 6.5 hp motor
where do you have a link ?
does it scare fish away lol
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The music isn’t necessary
The whoop music in the background makes this unwatchable
You will be happy to know that TH-cam has a mute feature!!
Lousy commercial I would not run out and buy one there is no information on the motor
Rodney Johnston Have you ever heard of the phenomenon...... It's called do it your fucking self! SMH