From the moment they announced the new mount for tbc classic and forced ppl to pay for each character they wanted to keep on the "vanilla" server I knew it was only downhill from there. Imagine not returning to private servers at that point.
TBC was still completely fine and no downfall at all for me. Wotlk when they added wow token they ruined classic for me. Still had fun until icc all time but tbc was much more fun and perfect step after vanilla like it was back in the day when the original release was
@@hacklbarry5365 what a shit comment tell me YOUR poor without telling me your poor. Not valuing money and spending it for shit services. WHICH BTW got dropped even if you paid for it
So if Blizzard tells you in time that Classic Plus is being developed, will the company be destroyed? Or what exactly would happen if Classic Plus announced a year ago?
1:41 you severely underestimate what management will and will not do. Management is not equal to "CEO" as you mention. The CEO will want several KPI's to be fulfilled in order for some bonus targets to be reached that the shareholders have put up. The upper management will then calculate how to reach said KPI's and then they will task middle management to do whatever is necessary to reach those goals. And the middle management (aka. Aggrend here) will have to make the appropriate changes - it's a classic management ladder where bottomline numbers are whats important.
Classic is doomed as long as Aggrend is in charge. He is pro RDF, GDKP and simply a retail-lover overall. It's a fact, he's both supported and promoted said features in the past on multiple occasions. To believe you can have a retail loving person be in charge of Classic is just.... /vomit
I’m not saying you’re wrong about his opinion on GDKP, but isn’t the one version of the game he’s literally directing at the moment the only one where GDKPs are illegal to run?
@@brad1426 It is, since Blizzard isn't doing anything about RMT, besides offering to sell WoW Tokens (lol), I guess some good will needs to be shown somewhere... But GDKP is the last of the issues regarding the game design of Classic+ ; just look at how SoD is full of retail elements and abilities to the point where the Vanilla feel is almost lost. I have no faith in them, and neither should you.
@@kokorochin01 SoD isnt ment to be a Classic Retail experience, if you got into SoD expecting a pure Classic experience you would be dissapointed. I for one love the lore of classic, but feel the classes were massively lacking and made gameplay boring. SoD is a good mix of classic content with a faster pace and a more interresting characterplay.
the irony in here is that it's almost impossible to raid in vanilla without GDKPs. I don't like GDKPs either but SOD raiding aspect became even worse after they banned them. Everyone asking for gearscore and logs. Is that classic wow for you? You blame the devs too much but fail to realize the playerbase isn't the same anymore. They will ruin any form of "classic" wow. People complained about xp boost cause it would kill the open world interation but before the xp boost everybody was just spamming dungeons non stop to get to the max level. Most players are min maxing and they will only take those who min max with them. You even seen players getting full quests before new phases dropped out just to level faster.
@@andrecardoso6941 You have some points, and I'm aware of them... But that's not justification for xp boosts and microtransactions. Regardless, just pick a better guild that's not like what you describe.
I think they are thinning out the game too much with many different versions to play. Player base is spread out, slow content releasing on a 20 year old version is not healthy especially with a lower player count. People really wanted new content in the form of Raids and Dungeons, we got Demon Fall Canyon, they could do so much more but I feel they really are dropping the ball on this. Had so much promise at the start but the long low level phases really hurt the player base I feel.
they said from the beginning that SoD is an experiment and that the team is relatively small. i dont know how people are still surprised because the game is still changed in a lot of ways but its still a classic itteration of wow. maybe we will se AFTER all the original classic content is released if they truly add extra content. it has been said that they are trying and testing with SoD to deliver another attempt to reitterate classic and people are upset that the game is not what they expected. i am not 100% happy but also not unhappy (except for how they left STV event in the Dust)
I tried to get into SoD raiding, but the way blizz implemented the lockout system I just said fuck it, what’s crazy is it’s easier to get into a raid in retail than it was in SoD.
That’s a lame as fuck excuse, and nobody cares. They said they would preserve the feel of classic, and that the main character of SoD would be the world. It flat out wasn’t. SoD was always exactly what we could immediately see with our eyeballs: retail minus. Classic with retail phase style releases and retail abilities. It was EXACTLY what every classic veteran said it would be on day 1!
SoD was an experiment to see if players could be migrated from classic to retail. And it worked. SoD's playerbase isn't in CATA, CATA's playerbase isn't even in CATA anymore. They are in retail. Experiment a success.
@@AmongRevenants Nah I disagree. Most the people I raided with in SoD were playing Wrath and retail alongside SoD already. SoD attracted retail players back to era the same way 2019 classic did, but it did not Shepard actual era players anywhere else.
@@tubesismfully agree with this. I know people say there isn’t a ton of overlap, but in my experience all of my friends that play WoW play pretty much every version for the most part. The most excluded version in my friend group at the moment is Cata, actually. Most of my friends found a casual raiding guild on SoD and mess around in retail and HC. I feel like that might just be a Cata thing though. Expansion never had much content that many would feel is *worth it* long term when Dragon Soul is your reward.
TBC will not boost SoD's numbers for long. It wasn't the great of an xpac to follow the front 60. Classic Plus should drop double xpacs. The meh before the good. TBC/Wrath, CATA/Mop, WoD/Legion then BfA to end.
I don’t believe the negative videos anymore. I remember being told back in Wrath “Wildstar is going to kill WOW because the devs lost sight of how to make new content!” Did that happen? Have I ever heard an apology from a TH-camr for being wrong?
I mean this genuinely because I'm confused with the TBC fresh thing, didn't we just play fresh TBC? and it largely fell off after Black Temple was farmed? sunwell numbers went way down, yes people still raided but it declined heavily as people waited for wrath, so why do people think blizzard would find reason to do another TBC when they just did it, couldn't it just be like SoD TBC announced or something?
HOLD UP, your 500k raiders in phase 1 is closer to maybe 100k raiders, phase 1 sod with lvl 25 beeing the cap is one of the reasons every one was lvling alts because, THERE WAS FUCK ALL TO DO. so recheck your numbers and then add the fact atleast every raider had 1 alts or more, and the guild i was in everyone has 4+ alts and we did BFD 4 times aweek.
Hate to break it to you but its still a similar case in the current phase. Most people in my guild made 3+ alts in phase 1 and raided BFD on most of them. As of this phase most of them yet again have 3+ lvl 60 alt and are running raids on at least 2 or more of them.
@@claytommn006 yep. I wouldsnt be surprised if sod had sub 30k INDIVIDUAL players playing regularly. and there is only 2 servers. No wonder theyre ending it asap
WOW should have ended when they did the Warlords of Draenor Rug Pull. That moment was the biggest "fuck you" to fans. But what do I know? I Quit with 0 hesitation at the sight of Cataclysm trailer.
I bet that they thought they could make new raids for sod relatively fast (MC was made in like a week). But with the releases of 60 raids, having to nerf bosses in ST, failed gameplay designs of the incursions back in phase 3, a lot more problems started to eat away at that dev time. The only new Dungeon was made with Aggrond was on vacation (his words). So at this point, I think the dev team is just a bit too small and working too fast for what they originally planned.
Has it ever come across ppls minds that maybe the team is too small and or the engine they run on doesnt just allow them to make new assets for a raid and just plop it in and maybe the balancing for a new raid inbetween tiers that already exist would be hell?!?! Hmmm didnt think so... Seems like everyone just wants to be negative for the sake of being negative.
Anyone that didn't see this coming during phase 3 is just a bit slow. SOD is basically just an experiment to see how far they can push players before they all quit.
@@fritzschnitzmueller3768 pretty much, when they did the massive delay for phase 4 it told exactly where they prioritized their resources. Not quite rocket science.
People are so split into what classic plus and what "new raids" mean to them. I really loved phase 1. Phase 2 was a little harder, but it was still good. Phase 3 turned out to be the worst. We were forgotten for cata that made Blizzard a quick buck on leveling boost and wow tokens. I'm still enjoying sod. I'm not sure about Aq40 with "Would you like to be a millionaire" theme. But my guess from the wow youtube channel showing Illidan and saying, "Wow direct in 5 days," we're getting some type of tbc. I'm not sure if it's going to be sod into tbc, Era tbc, or tbc fresh. But if I don't like the aq40 changes, I'll be switching to tbc. If i have to wait for sod to finish, I'll simply play retail pvp until it ends.
Sod was always a beta test for something else. It looks like the staff resources have lessened and they have eluded to Classic Plus. I would imagine if classic plus is on the cards then they aren't going to waste the release of brand new things on SoD and will put them into classic plus. SoD is merely the testing grounds for mechanics and classes for Classic Plus.
Threaten them! IF THEY WISH TO TAKE YOUR LOOT ON DEATH THEN WE WISH TO TAKE OTHER PLAYERS GOLD! TELL US HOW TO PLAY WE'RE GONNA TELL YOU HOW WE PLAY! MAKE GDKP GREAT AGAIN
We got new raids leveling up…considering SoD now has the highest player base in all the classic variations of the game and it’s seasonal, It would be in their best interest to just make new content in Classic +. What I am most concerned about is where our characters are going. There is so much stuff to do in SoD that once AQ comes out, you can pretty much raid every day if you wanted.
@ it’s a seasonal server that is going to end in 6 months. They aren’t going to power anymore resources into It unless they move forward with Kharzhan crypts. The objectives of SoD were to have the new abilities to make every class viable, to have difficulties in raid to prevent random metas like speed clearing, and the had slightly new content (level up raids, PvP events blood moon, world events BRE) all of which were fun. This resulted in a 4x population of players vs those in classic and now has more than classic Cata. That’s speaks volume. The smart business move is to pour resources into Classic + and refine It.
Yes. Yes it was a rug pull. A year of SoD with 0 new raids. Did you have fun? Have fun in AQ...again. I am so happy I quit in phase 2 and focused on Cata raid logging.
I think after MoP Classic, that's when Blizzard will start working on a real Classic+. There's no way they're going to stop at MoP and leave it at that. From the beginning, Blizzard said SoD was an experiment, and I think they were testing to see if people would actually play a version of WoW with some changes while still keeping that Classic feel. It might seem obvious to us, but the amount of time and money it takes to remake everything probably needed some convincing for the higher-ups, who are more business-minded than game-focused. But with how successful Classic and SoD have been, it's clear the player base is too big for them to ignore. It’s a long shot, but I really think after MoP, Blizzard will go all in on Classic+, especially with how much demand there is.
If turning a 5 man into a raid and chaning mechanics doesnt count as a new raid......does that mean ZG didnt count as a new dungeon......Im going to SUE CATA for false advertising!
Its kinda the point of seasons, gives em an excuse to put development time into content that otherwise would just scale up forever. Next season they add 70% of SoD content and develop more. Then all of the sudden you have classic+. Lets be real, if they didnt do seasons we would never have new classic content. Edit: if they released classic +, it would just be a barebones version of SoD.
They've just been milking a year of subs from everyone, everyone expected alot more from sod but everything theyve given us has been underwhelming. Rune system sucks Lvl 25-50 raids sucked Being stuck at 25-50 sucked Lack of new dungeons/zones sucked Pvp sucks I could go on for like 10 more examples, sod actually got me to give up on blizzard.
I am more surspized anyone still gives a shit about SOD. No one wants to play retail at level 60. They made the right choice pulling the rug, SOD is a failure.
@@Tagerrun graphically similar but they are objectively original raids mechanically speaking. its litterally exactly what most of us wanted. classic+. issue is they didnt really deliver that level of original content at 60
New raids or just tweaked 10 man dungeons. Anything, to be new would need to be unpredictable. Double strength dungeons are just tweaked resources already in place of three things that have been in classic for 20 or about years?
@@AmongRevenants you clearly didnt do BFD, Gnomr, or ST. if the graphics were different no one would ever have this in their head they are completelyoriginal raids from a mechanical standpoint
BFD = New raid-*-/-*-**-*/ ST = New raid Gnomer = New raid just because you think if its old content turned into a raid then it shouldnt be considered a new raid, doesnt in fact mean its not a new raid. if before hand it wasn't called a raid then ofc its a NEW raid. also they had new mechanics like they promised.
The Sade community is way more toxic and selfish than the original classic. In my experience it's full of lazy people that don't know how to do mechanics you think they're super good at the game and one of the best. Did all care about Luke when they do their guild of friends or the entire community
Guys, do a favor for urselves, stop playng this triple A nonsense! We have already a really good and cool wow classic in wow turtle. Its free, its real, its good! Lets not lose time with Blizz anymore!
I will also say (I have not lookedd into the new SOD changes too much) in SOM MC and BWL had interesting mechanics, and then aq40 and naxx was watered down like they ran out of ideas
BFD was rebuilt ground up with new mechanics Gnomeregan was rebuilt ground up with new mechanics. So I don’t think we are able to say they lied. Tbh they would have heaps of ideas and these ideas would be removed due to cost management. Eg art department has little to no budget.
genuinely sound really annoying because you are complaining about new content on a seasonal server and expecting classic+. avoiding your videos from now on.
a lot of stupid people are hung up this mythical "classic+" that will never happen. just like with classic itself, a hundred people have a hundred ideas of what the term even means. just a lot of mass copium overdosing.
BFD was not a “new” raid. It was a re-worked dungeon. I see what you’re saying, but we don’t want 100% reskinned dungeons as raids. That’s not what anyone expected when the devs themselves said “new raids”.
they never said NEW raid as in brand new raid. He said new raid referring to them updating completely the old raids...yall really will reach for anything my god
No, the dev quite literally stood on the stage and said “new raids” verbatim. The worst part is you’re acting like everyone else are complaining. We’re complaining because we were lied to. Grow up bud.
From the moment they announced the new mount for tbc classic and forced ppl to pay for each character they wanted to keep on the "vanilla" server I knew it was only downhill from there. Imagine not returning to private servers at that point.
TBC was still completely fine and no downfall at all for me. Wotlk when they added wow token they ruined classic for me. Still had fun until icc all time but tbc was much more fun and perfect step after vanilla like it was back in the day when the original release was
Im about to try out turtle wow
You too poor for that? 😂😂😂😂
@@hacklbarry5365 what a shit comment tell me YOUR poor without telling me your poor. Not valuing money and spending it for shit services. WHICH BTW got dropped even if you paid for it
have to assume the classic team is working on something big since it feels like they pulled some of the sod resources
Gnome kicking action
So if Blizzard tells you in time that Classic Plus is being developed, will the company be destroyed? Or what exactly would happen if Classic Plus announced a year ago?
it also feels like they pulled support from Cata too
game is better when they don't touch it at all
hey, its Jerome! Hi Jerome 👋
SoD had bad devs that didn’t understand classic gameplay. They gotta dump it and move on for they same reason they started it, money.
Exactly, Aggrend and his team are retail players at heart : thinking they can produce anything good regarding classic is delusional.
i would love a tbc fresh the worst thing blizzard could do is SOD TBC but i would still play it 100% give me anything tbc.
1:41 you severely underestimate what management will and will not do. Management is not equal to "CEO" as you mention. The CEO will want several KPI's to be fulfilled in order for some bonus targets to be reached that the shareholders have put up. The upper management will then calculate how to reach said KPI's and then they will task middle management to do whatever is necessary to reach those goals. And the middle management (aka. Aggrend here) will have to make the appropriate changes - it's a classic management ladder where bottomline numbers are whats important.
Classic is doomed as long as Aggrend is in charge. He is pro RDF, GDKP and simply a retail-lover overall. It's a fact, he's both supported and promoted said features in the past on multiple occasions. To believe you can have a retail loving person be in charge of Classic is just.... /vomit
I’m not saying you’re wrong about his opinion on GDKP, but isn’t the one version of the game he’s literally directing at the moment the only one where GDKPs are illegal to run?
@@brad1426 It is, since Blizzard isn't doing anything about RMT, besides offering to sell WoW Tokens (lol), I guess some good will needs to be shown somewhere...
But GDKP is the last of the issues regarding the game design of Classic+ ; just look at how SoD is full of retail elements and abilities to the point where the Vanilla feel is almost lost. I have no faith in them, and neither should you.
@@kokorochin01 SoD isnt ment to be a Classic Retail experience, if you got into SoD expecting a pure Classic experience you would be dissapointed. I for one love the lore of classic, but feel the classes were massively lacking and made gameplay boring. SoD is a good mix of classic content with a faster pace and a more interresting characterplay.
the irony in here is that it's almost impossible to raid in vanilla without GDKPs. I don't like GDKPs either but SOD raiding aspect became even worse after they banned them. Everyone asking for gearscore and logs. Is that classic wow for you? You blame the devs too much but fail to realize the playerbase isn't the same anymore. They will ruin any form of "classic" wow. People complained about xp boost cause it would kill the open world interation but before the xp boost everybody was just spamming dungeons non stop to get to the max level. Most players are min maxing and they will only take those who min max with them. You even seen players getting full quests before new phases dropped out just to level faster.
@@andrecardoso6941 You have some points, and I'm aware of them... But that's not justification for xp boosts and microtransactions.
Regardless, just pick a better guild that's not like what you describe.
People who think TBC is going to be announced are hitting the copium hard
have to agree unfortunately
Sooo hard
On the wow youtube channel, they had Illidan announcing wow direct in 5 days. Looks like we're getting something for tbc.
@@mantequillas1278 I mean, I hadn't seen that. That's an astute observation!
@@mantequillas1278 you are reading into it way too much
I think they are thinning out the game too much with many different versions to play. Player base is spread out, slow content releasing on a 20 year old version is not healthy especially with a lower player count. People really wanted new content in the form of Raids and Dungeons, we got Demon Fall Canyon, they could do so much more but I feel they really are dropping the ball on this. Had so much promise at the start but the long low level phases really hurt the player base I feel.
They need an era server for each version they release imo. Many play more than one version
@@Tuoni996 nobody played tbc last time. people want classic
I always said all these classic versions are just time to make retail "good" again.
@newworld8546 The reason SoM failed is why? Ahh TBC
So what are you on about?
Nothing ahhh okay!
we got like 10 classic versions and are getting more hardcore again and maybe a fresh classic.
they said from the beginning that SoD is an experiment and that the team is relatively small. i dont know how people are still surprised because the game is still changed in a lot of ways but its still a classic itteration of wow. maybe we will se AFTER all the original classic content is released if they truly add extra content. it has been said that they are trying and testing with SoD to deliver another attempt to reitterate classic and people are upset that the game is not what they expected. i am not 100% happy but also not unhappy (except for how they left STV event in the Dust)
I tried to get into SoD raiding, but the way blizz implemented the lockout system I just said fuck it, what’s crazy is it’s easier to get into a raid in retail than it was in SoD.
That’s a lame as fuck excuse, and nobody cares. They said they would preserve the feel of classic, and that the main character of SoD would be the world. It flat out wasn’t. SoD was always exactly what we could immediately see with our eyeballs: retail minus. Classic with retail phase style releases and retail abilities. It was EXACTLY what every classic veteran said it would be on day 1!
SoD was an experiment to see if players could be migrated from classic to retail.
And it worked. SoD's playerbase isn't in CATA, CATA's playerbase isn't even in CATA anymore.
They are in retail. Experiment a success.
@@AmongRevenants Nah I disagree. Most the people I raided with in SoD were playing Wrath and retail alongside SoD already. SoD attracted retail players back to era the same way 2019 classic did, but it did not Shepard actual era players anywhere else.
@@tubesismfully agree with this. I know people say there isn’t a ton of overlap, but in my experience all of my friends that play WoW play pretty much every version for the most part.
The most excluded version in my friend group at the moment is Cata, actually. Most of my friends found a casual raiding guild on SoD and mess around in retail and HC.
I feel like that might just be a Cata thing though. Expansion never had much content that many would feel is *worth it* long term when Dragon Soul is your reward.
I feel like it’s gonna be TBC-SOD, with some new raids to come also. 🙏🏾
Enjoy your copium my friend.
TBC will not boost SoD's numbers for long. It wasn't the great of an xpac to follow the front 60.
Classic Plus should drop double xpacs. The meh before the good.
TBC/Wrath, CATA/Mop, WoD/Legion then BfA to end.
I don’t believe the negative videos anymore.
I remember being told back in Wrath “Wildstar is going to kill WOW because the devs lost sight of how to make new content!”
Did that happen?
Have I ever heard an apology from a TH-camr for being wrong?
lot of ppl skipped tbc because of the boost, if they did a fresh a lot of people would play who didnt play live or classic version .
they didnt care about the wrath boosts so there goes that idea.
The WoW community has a strong affinity for CBT. We will see what happens next
I mean this genuinely because I'm confused with the TBC fresh thing, didn't we just play fresh TBC? and it largely fell off after Black Temple was farmed? sunwell numbers went way down, yes people still raided but it declined heavily as people waited for wrath, so why do people think blizzard would find reason to do another TBC when they just did it, couldn't it just be like SoD TBC announced or something?
HOLD UP, your 500k raiders in phase 1 is closer to maybe 100k raiders, phase 1 sod with lvl 25 beeing the cap is one of the reasons every one was lvling alts because, THERE WAS FUCK ALL TO DO. so recheck your numbers and then add the fact atleast every raider had 1 alts or more, and the guild i was in everyone has 4+ alts and we did BFD 4 times aweek.
that would make 80k raiders not accurate either.
Hate to break it to you but its still a similar case in the current phase. Most people in my guild made 3+ alts in phase 1 and raided BFD on most of them. As of this phase most of them yet again have 3+ lvl 60 alt and are running raids on at least 2 or more of them.
@@claytommn006 yep. I wouldsnt be surprised if sod had sub 30k INDIVIDUAL players playing regularly. and there is only 2 servers. No wonder theyre ending it asap
WOW should have ended when they did the Warlords of Draenor Rug Pull. That moment was the biggest "fuck you" to fans. But what do I know? I Quit with 0 hesitation at the sight of Cataclysm trailer.
I bet that they thought they could make new raids for sod relatively fast (MC was made in like a week). But with the releases of 60 raids, having to nerf bosses in ST, failed gameplay designs of the incursions back in phase 3, a lot more problems started to eat away at that dev time. The only new Dungeon was made with Aggrond was on vacation (his words). So at this point, I think the dev team is just a bit too small and working too fast for what they originally planned.
After phase 3, I saw the writing on the wall. Glad I cut my losses then.
i think what needs to happen is everyone should ask for refunds of over a year since we didnt get what was advertised.
I think we are getting different difficulty mode on every raid so they can test what will be the normal difficulty system used in classic+
Has it ever come across ppls minds that maybe the team is too small and or the engine they run on doesnt just allow them to make new assets for a raid and just plop it in and maybe the balancing for a new raid inbetween tiers that already exist would be hell?!?! Hmmm didnt think so... Seems like everyone just wants to be negative for the sake of being negative.
Anyone that didn't see this coming during phase 3 is just a bit slow. SOD is basically just an experiment to see how far they can push players before they all quit.
Damn look at this intelligent human being. He has figured it all out and we sheeple just don't get it
looool
I never played a lot a classic, but for me sod is a nice way to experience classic
@@fritzschnitzmueller3768 pretty much, when they did the massive delay for phase 4 it told exactly where they prioritized their resources.
Not quite rocket science.
People are so split into what classic plus and what "new raids" mean to them. I really loved phase 1. Phase 2 was a little harder, but it was still good. Phase 3 turned out to be the worst. We were forgotten for cata that made Blizzard a quick buck on leveling boost and wow tokens. I'm still enjoying sod. I'm not sure about Aq40 with "Would you like to be a millionaire" theme. But my guess from the wow youtube channel showing Illidan and saying, "Wow direct in 5 days," we're getting some type of tbc. I'm not sure if it's going to be sod into tbc, Era tbc, or tbc fresh. But if I don't like the aq40 changes, I'll be switching to tbc. If i have to wait for sod to finish, I'll simply play retail pvp until it ends.
Sod was always a beta test for something else. It looks like the staff resources have lessened and they have eluded to Classic Plus. I would imagine if classic plus is on the cards then they aren't going to waste the release of brand new things on SoD and will put them into classic plus. SoD is merely the testing grounds for mechanics and classes for Classic Plus.
I'll add, if classic plus is not the outcome. I'll move to private servers. Turtle wow looks pretty good
Maybe TBC Fresh and TBC Hardcore? Could be why they told sodapoppin to wait in case they want to do onlyfangs in tbc hardcore
if we didnt have sod all we would have is HC and era. im just glad to be raiding
Threaten them! IF THEY WISH TO TAKE YOUR LOOT ON DEATH THEN WE WISH TO TAKE OTHER PLAYERS GOLD! TELL US HOW TO PLAY WE'RE GONNA TELL YOU HOW WE PLAY! MAKE GDKP GREAT AGAIN
We got new raids leveling up…considering SoD now has the highest player base in all the classic variations of the game and it’s seasonal, It would be in their best interest to just make new content in Classic +.
What I am most concerned about is where our characters are going.
There is so much stuff to do in SoD that once AQ comes out, you can pretty much raid every day if you wanted.
If people want to do the old raids still sure.
@ it’s a seasonal server that is going to end in 6 months. They aren’t going to power anymore resources into It unless they move forward with Kharzhan crypts.
The objectives of SoD were to have the new abilities to make every class viable, to have difficulties in raid to prevent random metas like speed clearing, and the had slightly new content (level up raids, PvP events blood moon, world events BRE) all of which were fun.
This resulted in a 4x population of players vs those in classic and now has more than classic Cata. That’s speaks volume.
The smart business move is to pour resources into Classic + and refine It.
Classic wow announcement on the 13th. Naxx is done by April and we are levelling by June
idk why but somehow in my mind you were Italian until I saw the flags today xD
Im still thinking either TBC remixed or legion Remixed. Either way, im in.
SOD is a failure at CLASSIC + .. when the community wanted a True extension from 1.12 vanilla, not just crap all over the original versions
Yes. Yes it was a rug pull. A year of SoD with 0 new raids. Did you have fun? Have fun in AQ...again. I am so happy I quit in phase 2 and focused on Cata raid logging.
Hah! The guy who programs the bugs. Nice!
If they are adding a new raid, most likely will be after Naxx, for balance and new loot logic…
Lol balance come on now you know they don’t care about balance.
I think after MoP Classic, that's when Blizzard will start working on a real Classic+. There's no way they're going to stop at MoP and leave it at that. From the beginning, Blizzard said SoD was an experiment, and I think they were testing to see if people would actually play a version of WoW with some changes while still keeping that Classic feel.
It might seem obvious to us, but the amount of time and money it takes to remake everything probably needed some convincing for the higher-ups, who are more business-minded than game-focused. But with how successful Classic and SoD have been, it's clear the player base is too big for them to ignore.
It’s a long shot, but I really think after MoP, Blizzard will go all in on Classic+, especially with how much demand there is.
If turning a 5 man into a raid and chaning mechanics doesnt count as a new raid......does that mean ZG didnt count as a new dungeon......Im going to SUE CATA for false advertising!
Its kinda the point of seasons, gives em an excuse to put development time into content that otherwise would just scale up forever.
Next season they add 70% of SoD content and develop more.
Then all of the sudden you have classic+.
Lets be real, if they didnt do seasons we would never have new classic content.
Edit: if they released classic +, it would just be a barebones version of SoD.
no such thing as classic+, stop pretending like it does or will ever exist.
I just assume they're lying from they're past history. So im never disappointed in anything they spew.
PLease no SOD TBC. TBC era'd be great but no fking SOD. Stop raping classic games!
They've just been milking a year of subs from everyone, everyone expected alot more from sod but everything theyve given us has been underwhelming.
Rune system sucks
Lvl 25-50 raids sucked
Being stuck at 25-50 sucked
Lack of new dungeons/zones sucked
Pvp sucks
I could go on for like 10 more examples, sod actually got me to give up on blizzard.
DEEP AND SATISFYING
New raids? That aged like milk..
Blizz could make grim batol a raid.
finally about flags bro it took you like 3 months 2 phases to answer it xD
I wonder if they just moved Karazan to classic plus because SoDs population numbers are so low now
Doubt they ever made it unless it was the 5 man dungeon.
I am more surspized anyone still gives a shit about SOD. No one wants to play retail at level 60. They made the right choice pulling the rug, SOD is a failure.
Damn right I’m a grown man, I have a real bed.
Fresh Era servers are just not something I can see myself playing long term like I have sod
Sucks that sod kinda got forgotten about
because SaD is and will forever remain a gimmick, one whose shallow premise was stretched too far.
They really should change loot design… I won’t raid like this
The loot drops in BWL feels awful bosses stop 3 pieces out of a list of 20 items.
You made good points.
Well we got new raids. BFD, Gnomer, ST.
Lol no those aren’t new raids they were dungeons that they upgraded. Literally used the same bosses and drops just made the stats better.
@@Tagerrun graphically similar but they are objectively original raids mechanically speaking. its litterally exactly what most of us wanted. classic+. issue is they didnt really deliver that level of original content at 60
New raids or just tweaked 10 man dungeons.
Anything, to be new would need to be unpredictable. Double strength dungeons are just tweaked resources already in place of three things that have been in classic for 20 or about years?
@@AmongRevenants you clearly didnt do BFD, Gnomr, or ST. if the graphics were different no one would ever have this in their head they are completelyoriginal raids from a mechanical standpoint
@@kobunz It was a P1 meta to gear up.
The game has gone downhill since wrath ended
Season of Disappointment
BFD = New raid-*-/-*-**-*/
ST = New raid
Gnomer = New raid
just because you think if its old content turned into a raid then it shouldnt be considered a new raid, doesnt in fact mean its not a new raid. if before hand it wasn't called a raid then ofc its a NEW raid. also they had new mechanics like they promised.
serbian and albanian, bro is living life on hard mode
The Sade community is way more toxic and selfish than the original classic. In my experience it's full of lazy people that don't know how to do mechanics you think they're super good at the game and one of the best. Did all care about Luke when they do their guild of friends or the entire community
God no please, i beg
Sod Tbc
Guys, do a favor for urselves, stop playng this triple A nonsense! We have already a really good and cool wow classic in wow turtle. Its free, its real, its good! Lets not lose time with Blizz anymore!
you're not fooling me activisblizzy! I did like 5 incursions and quit... was already on the way out anyway. happy on Era
I will also say (I have not lookedd into the new SOD changes too much) in SOM MC and BWL had interesting mechanics, and then aq40 and naxx was watered down like they ran out of ideas
I only liked phase 1
It’s sad
TBC FRESH 16.11.2024
TBC fresh when Santa Claus comes down your chimney 🎅🏻
@@Denataa warmane onyxia baby... dont wait for bLizzard and dont S their D.... times is NOW, TBC SOON!
BFD was rebuilt ground up with new mechanics
Gnomeregan was rebuilt ground up with new mechanics.
So I don’t think we are able to say they lied.
Tbh they would have heaps of ideas and these ideas would be removed due to cost management. Eg art department has little to no budget.
I don't understand why people take SoD so seriously? It's a seasonal server, it's Classic+ beta, it was really good but I quit ages a go.
genuinely sound really annoying because you are complaining about new content on a seasonal server and expecting classic+. avoiding your videos from now on.
a lot of stupid people are hung up this mythical "classic+" that will never happen. just like with classic itself, a hundred people have a hundred ideas of what the term even means. just a lot of mass copium overdosing.
i mean technically if something is not a raid then now considered a raid in coding then it is a new raid.
Ahh yes because that’s going to go over well with the customer base that had a very clear vision in mind.
@@Tagerrun I am not really trying to defend them but its not their fault if the customer base wanted more then they planed to give.
BFD was a new raid
BFD was not a “new” raid. It was a re-worked dungeon. I see what you’re saying, but we don’t want 100% reskinned dungeons as raids. That’s not what anyone expected when the devs themselves said “new raids”.
they never said NEW raid as in brand new raid. He said new raid referring to them updating completely the old raids...yall really will reach for anything my god
Wrong
No, the dev quite literally stood on the stage and said “new raids” verbatim. The worst part is you’re acting like everyone else are complaining. We’re complaining because we were lied to.
Grow up bud.
This guy is right
@@karldergrosse-333 Yall take this way to serious its actually hilarious
so the word NEW has multiple definitions, depending the level of copium you have?
Sod tbc 100