At 04:01 I say "half a century" but it's "half a millennium", of course. This is what happens when holding three different jobs. Wish you all a wonderful day, cheers!
Can I ask a question? I got many dreams with the runes (first one was when I was on 14 years age and it was with Kauna and Fehu where some man said to me that the Kauna was the rune of fire and it was my rune and when I woke up I went to check if there is anything so-called runes - I was pretty shocked when I found out that yes, there is and yes there was also the Kauna and yes her element was fire) . In one of all I saw the rune Tyr but like with many feathers not just one (for the left and right side) but many others feathers on one Tyr. There were several Tyrs with different number of the feathers on them and it just like opened up something after my awakening. A divine energy and everything was happening as I wanted and as I needed for the certain moment - was amazing like someone was walking besides me with a magical stick as we say metaphorically. And also I didn't feel tired at all I was able to stay awake and feeling powered in the next day without sleeping all night like I was slept. It was awesome but also strange. I felt this was like a code which was opening a flow like you are connected. I don't know. So, I wanted to ask do you know something about all this? I'm not practicing anything with runes, I just dream them sometimes when I sleep and do my research if I can find something.
Hey Arith Härger, (hope I'm not being annoying) 😕, but I've always been drawn to Scandinavian/Baltic/Nordic, etc staves/runes and the recent or even modern sigils drawn from these, 'traditional black books/manuscripts' containing the original sources for its new counterparts, and when I do reread/or see these side by side, there are such similarities that one without a trained mind/eye may mistake them of being from the same place/book/script, etc, when they are not/completely different meanings/authors/places. However thank you for making and uploading this 'bulk/compendium in a nutshell' of important information, as I truly appreciate your work and input X 😁😊👍🏻🙌🏻❤️🍀⚡️✨📚📜✍🏻✨😎💎💕
@Archistrega Jane Slaughter, Ελλιστέα are you talking to me or is this aimed at Arith Härger? As I’m not so narrowly minded to think there is only one area/source where anything could/did originate from.
Great topic. I am from Croatia 🇭🇷 and it was very interesting and yes the use of those symbols declined during 20th century and almost died out during comunist regime.
Greetings from Balkan girl currently living in Portugal! Loved your recent videos about pagan traditions in Iberian pennisula btw! Ex-YU countries that were enslaved by Ottoman empire were Macedonia, Serbia, Montenegro, Bosnia and small parts of Croatia. I honestly never heard before about tattoing girls to prevent them from being taken, but it totally makes sense. Parents used pretty dark methods to stop Ottomans commiting another unspeakable crime: child levy and taking healty boys to turn them into elite soldiers (Janissaries/Janjičari) that will later serve in wars agains their own country. They resorted to breaking childrens limbs and similar mutillation to make them inadequate for army. Please make more videos about pagan traditions in Balkans, we still have many of them ingrained in our everyday life!
I agree. I was a little thrown off by him saying it was benevolent...no such thing as benevolent imperialization. Imperial empires in the Balkans are what led to the many bloody wars we lived through and still traumatize us today, so I do think maybe he should re-think saying the people who imperialized us and made ancestors give up their children were "benevolent". They were "allowed" to keep their faith only because if they chose to, they were oppressed.
@@baalhamon3555 Baš tako! Ja sam, doduše, samoinicijativno pisala maturski na temu mitologije starih Slovena i imala sjajnu profesorku koja je dosta dobro poznavala (i volela) tu temu, ali više smo učili o Antičkoj Grčkoj i Rimu nego o našim paganskim korenima i precima. Veliki pozdrav iz 🇷🇸🇵🇹
@@m.aj11 Svaka ti cast i vjerujem da je divno bilo imati nekoga kao tu profesorku koja ti je mogla pomoci. Nedavno sam od Nenada Gajica bas procitao knjigu "Slovenski paganizam". Interesantno ali me kopka sto znam da ima puuuno vise. Boli me jedino sto su ovi nasi prostori, izgleda, zaista bili kolijevke nekih lijepih civilizacija, folklora i obicaja. Trebali bi se ponositi s njima i trebali smo ih dobro cuvati! Jedino sam u paganizmu iskonski pronasao iskrene ljudske vrijednosti. "Budi insan/covjek, zivi svoj zivot kako najbolje znas/punim plucima/u skladu sa prirodom jer je uvijek pravi odgovor onaj koji proistice iz prirode i ne cini drugome neophodno i namjerno zlo" Zelim ti svu srecu gdje god bila, Slava Rodu!
@@baalhamon3555 Divno sročeno, slažem sa svime! Poznavati i zadržati te običaje koji su rezultat milenijumskih mešanja ljudi i kultura i koji su i dalje vrlo jaki, bez obzira na sve strane uticaje. Balkan je jedan od centara diverziteta Evrope, što u biološkom, što u kulturološkom smislu i moramo sačuvati ono što je tako dragoceno. Veliki pozdrav i svako dobro! P.S. jedna od omiljenih knjiga bila i ostala "Pod slobodnim suncem", a sada ima dosta dobrih novih izdanja o predanjima, mitologiji i religiji tako da mnogo sreće u potrazi za dodatnim znanjem!
Thanks, Arith, this video was really interesting. Do you know anything about the use of these symbols in Romania? They look very similar to patterns that we have on traditional folk clothing. If you are looking for more video ideas in the future, I'd love to know more about traditional Romanian folk symbolism. :) Thanks for all of the time and effort you put into making these videos. They are very informative and greatly appreciated!
Elder futhark has been found all the way in Ukraine... also, if you look at the transylvania feudal system and the subgroups involved then a better understanding will be found... along with all of that and before the goths runes were used alot in that whole area... If you want to know more just comment and I'll respond as soon as I can
You should look into the Vinca script. This tablet contains many of the symbols found in our native tattoos, and it was found in Romania. All evidence points to these symbols being relatively pan-Balkan, and FAR pre-dating monotheistic religion (thus not specific to one Balkan ethnicity). I can't say more as I am mainly versed in these being in the Vinca script, then common amongst Illyrian people and later primarily Western Balkans peoples, but it is sure that some of these symbols have common roots in your country :)
@@magda5072 it is really, to be honest I've been studying runes (full time) for about 6 years I started out trying to find anywhere across the globe that any form of or what would be considered as runes... it's amazing how wide spread they actually went
thank you so much for this amazing information. my grandmother has such a tattoo on her hand, now I know more about it, she did it when she was a young teenager
I think it's interesting that a lot of these symbols are similar to ice crystals/snow flakes. I had a book years ago (before it was destroyed in one of many disasters..😒) by Dr. Emoto talking about how words and emotions can effect us since we are mostly made of water, and showing how different each water crystal forms from having different things "fed" to it. Pretty interesting stuff.
Some extra info for anyone interested (apologies if some info is repeated, these paragraphs are lifted directly from the book "Ancient Ink" ) Since 2009, Bosnian researcher Tea Mihaljevic (née Turalija, 2011) has conducted more than two dozen interviews with traditionally tattooed Catholic women and men from Bosnia and Herzegovina. The oldest tattooed woman she has met, Marta Kuna of Osmanlije (Kupres Municipality), was born in 1917, but her story and those of the many other Bosnian and Croatian Catholics who wear these ancient symbols are waiting to be told (fig. 10.1). It is not known when or where the practice of tattooing originated among the Catholics of this part of the Balkan Peninsula. However, it has been demonstrated (see Renaut, chapter 17, this volume) that it was an autochthonous tradition of Thraco- Illyrian cultures that inhabited the Balkans prior to 300 BCE. Moreover, Croatian anthropologists Ćiro Truhelka (1896) and Mario Petrić (1973, 1976) wrote that the combinations of cruciforms, celestial bodies, and other natural symbols that comprise this graphic tradition predated Christianity. British travel writer Mary E. Durham (1929:121−22), who traveled extensively across the region in the early twentieth century, was told by a local priest, “They have a number of curious pagan beliefs, which they will not tell me. I have found that they believe in two powers-Light and Darkness- which are in conflict-Good and Evil. These tattoos are in some way connected with this belief. So is the Serpent, which they sometimes tattoo and also draw on the walls.” Bosnian Catholics called the tattooing process bocati or sicati (Bosnian, “to sting,” “to prick,” or “to cut”) whereas Durham’s Catholic informants in northern Albania called it sharati (“to color”). Croats who fled Bosnia during Turkish rule to settle as refugees in Dalmatia and Slavonia termed it bocanje or sicanje (Croatian, “stinging,” “pricking,” “tattooing”). In Bosnia, some of the traditional patterns were as follows: kolo (“the circle”), named after a customary dance, klas (“ear of corn”), ograda (“fence ring”), narukvitza (“bracelet”), grancitza (“small pine twig”), eliza (“fir tree”), krizh or krizhevi (“cross,” “crosses”), and Sun, Moon, and Morning Star T he tattoo patterns were traditionally applied by old women, who first stenciled the design onto the skin with the blunt end of their tattooing needle or a chicken feather. Sometimes the design was carved into a piece of willow or ash bark and stamped onto the epidermis. Generally speaking, tattoo pigment consisted of the soot of resinous pinesap collected on a plate and then combined with honey and water, saliva, and mother’s milk from women who had a male child with blue eyes…many other substances could also be combined with soot2 to produce tattoo ink, including milk from a black sheep, horse milk, egg yolk, juniper berry juice, holy water, or sugar (Tea Mihaljevic, personal communication, March 27, 2016). Mihaljevic’s informants stated that after the design was pricked into the skin with one or more “hot” needles, a piece of blue indigo paper was applied to the wound for one day to enhance the color. This type of paper was once common as a tobacco wrapper. Certain significant Christian days of the year were preferred for tattooing: Annunciation Day (March 25), Good Friday, Palm Sunday, and St. John’s Day (June 24) were tattooing days, but March 19 (St. Joseph’s Day) was the most common.3 Truhelka’s informants stated that tattooing was performed in spring because the wounds healed more easily during this time. However, he argued that there was a deeper religious meaning associated with the timing of the tattooing rite that “had disappeared from popular consciousness” (Truhelka 1896:497). More specifically, he believed that tattooing was connected to the position of the Sun, fertility, and the spring equinox, because St. Joseph’s Day fell on the eve of the spring solstice. As noted, tattooing was especially connected to religion. One of Durham’s (1929:104) female informants explained: “All the family comes to see it done,” because “Christ suffered for us, [and] it is right we should suffer for Him.” Similarly, Marta Kuna told Mihaljevic, “It was Good Friday and Jesus suffered on the cross, [so] we put [the tattoo] in His name.” However, tattoos had other religious functions. During the Turkish occupation of Bosnia and Herzegovina (1463−1878), Catholics were forced to convert to Islam. “Our oral traditions handed down from our grandmothers recorded that Turkish chiefs (Begs or begovi) ravished our beautiful girls by force,” Mihaljevic says. “These women would rather die, so they committed suicide, sometimes by jumping from cliffs, to escape the clutches of the Begs. If they refused their advances, the Turks would murder them. Begs had the right to sleep with Christian women on their first wedding night. So our people tattooed their hands, fingers, chests, foreheads with crosses and other ancient ornaments in order to protect themselves from Turks.” Tattooed elder Ljuba Šimić of Rastičevo village remembered: “Turks despised the cross so cross tattoos were a form of protection.” Mihaljevic also added: “Our children, male and female, were also taken to Turkey as slaves, so they too were marked. This was done so that they would always know that they were Catholic once, even if converted to Islam.”
might as well throw these paragraphs in aswell "About 460 bce, Herodotus (Book V, 6) wrote that among the Thracians, “to be tattooed is a sign of noble birth, while to bear no such marks is for the baser sort.” This curious testimony is among the first written evidence of the practice of voluntary tattooing in the written history of mankind. Contrasting accounts explain that Thracian women began to tattoo in an attempt to reclaim their bodies after being forcibly marked by Scythians while in captivity1 or were tattooed by their husbands as a punishment for killing Orpheus. The credibility of these early literary accounts may be questioned as heavily biased, considering the use of otherness as a literary technique (Dimova 2014:36; Hartog 1988). While a critical assessment of Herodotus’s narrative on Scythian customs suggests that the Father of History relied heavily on informants who were mixing observations and ideology (Ivantchik 2011), the reliability of literary evidence on early historic tattooing in southern Europe is to a certain extent indirectly confirmed by extant mummified tattooed bodies buried roughly during Herodotus’s time in Siberia and the Altai Mountains of Central Asia (see Pankova, chapter 5, this volume), and by images of tattooed Thracian women and goddesses illustrated on Athenian and Apulian red-figure pottery made throughout the f ifth and fourth centuries BCE Contrary to Herodotus’s account, the tattoos depicted on Apulian red-figure pottery are located exclusively on the hands and feet of goddesses and Thracian women, but not on depicted Thracian nobles (Tsiafakis 2015; Zimmermann 1980:166). These marks usually consist of relatively simple geometric patterns and compositions including straight lines, chevrons, meanders, and crosses (Tsiafakis 2015; Vasileva 2016:30; Zimmermann 1980:184), all of which are reminiscent of Thracian clothing and textiles depicted both on red-figure vessels and on ceramics from southwestern Bulgaria referred to as Tsepina (or Tsruncha) (Domaradzki 1990, 1994; Georgieva 2003; Hänsel 1976). The few recurring Thracian figural tattoo patterns that appear in pictorial sources include the sun, the snake, and the deer."
I often repeat things from your videos to my mom; I was repeating to her how these magical traditions were a combination of Christianity and local folk traditions and beliefs - and she brought up the fact that it's no different today. Churches in America put on Easter egg hunts for the kids. Good luck explaining to them where THAT is in the Bible. Thank you so much for reminding me how deeply wrapped in Christianity much of Northern European tradition is. I think we (non-Christians) sort of tend to edit out some of the Christian influence, and focus more on the magical and folk traditions... but it really can't be separated like that. They are deeply intertwined.
Hello from the Balkans! I am happy to see foreigners interested in our culture and history, but you have now taken a tiny bite of something extremely big. These types of symbols are found all over our lands since neolithic times. Research the Vincha (also called Danube valley culture.) They have nothing to do with Christianity, they are "pagan". The equal-sided cross as well as the swastika have been the holiest symbols here and across the northern hemisphere for thousands of years before Christianity. They were used everywhere, not just tatoos. We do not have any such symbols resembling solomon's sygil, to me it looks like a black magic spell to distort holy symbols of the time, so I would say you have the chronology there backwards. Little known fact - the Serbian calender counts 7530 years this year. That is about 2000 years older than the Jewish calender.
Thank you so much my grandparents were from Iceland 🇮🇸 and I’m in America and I’m learning so much about my heritage because of your postings. Thank you 🙏🏼
Hej I have been waiting for this 1!!! I love the Balkans!!! Tusen tack Arith. Is like if you read my mind. Hugs! The exYugoslavia now. Is desintegrated. The strongest economy was Slovenia.
Thanks for this amazing video! I'm definitely checking out your channel more! Btw, I was born and bred in the Balkan region and I'll just let you in on something: "Narukvica" wouldn't be pronounced "Narukvika". In Balkan languages, everything is pronounced phonetically, so letter "c" in the word would be pronounced as "tz". So it would result in something like "Narukvitza".
This was so interesting! A whole bridge between these traditions that I never knew were connected in this way. I was curious as to why Icelandic tattoo artists that I follow were using what I found out to be Croatian symbols, this was very enlightening!
As always, thank you for all your knowledge!!! I’ll wait patiently for your first book!! 🥰 Yes I know wishful thinking on the book thing right? 🥺 I love listening to you, but I would love to pass your wisdom on for generations. My family loves your work!!🥰🥰🥰🥰
hey from the balkans!! i loveee ur videos and i'd want to give u a video suggestion. can u talk about the Pliska rosette? i remember hearing about it a long time ago when i first got into runes and i was so shocked to learn we had such similar runes as well i have feel a strong connection to it ever since keep up the good work!! and much love
Spruce trees with little red presents with white spots all over them!? That happens in nature at the end of August early September (when the frost comes those presents disappear completely, it's got next to Nothing to do with December!)
heheheh i'm watching this at 3am on a stormy night -making 'Jule' presents for my cat - He says, "i'm not making any friends here . . " hahaha We love you Arith.
i should say that these tattoos were not "forbidden" during the communist period, but frowned upon, seen as backward etc as far as i'm aware there was no law issued by the communists forbidding this practice of tattooing. just as tattooing in the western world around that period was taboo, albeit for different reasons (associations with criminality, protestant conceptions of the body as a temple etc). i think it's important to clarify this point.
They do look a lot like magnetic field lines. Or diagram of ancient technology? It funny how far and wide this is! I can recall the Australia aboriginals have similar symbols as rock art. So I wonder how’s old the symbol are?
Sim é verdade, justamente por isso me interessei. Assista os vídeos anteriores a este! Na realidade as grafias usadas na umbanda não é criação da umbanda! Vem de muito antes, até mesmo antes dessas histórias que ele conta no canal!
I'd like to add a tid bit about the duelism in a religion being a element from Judaism, I don't think it's unique to Judaism, but also other Iranic religions, like Zoroastrianism. I also would like to add that the Balkan tattoos have a very specific slavic paganistic flair with trees and nature being key elements. Ćiro Truhelka, a scholar who has done most work on this tradition, also stated that the patterns have a very specific old flair.
@@zketizk nope, whatever the romans did its an unrelated tradition that has nothing to do with tradition emerging in germany in the 15th/16th century beside a wider european tendency to use evergreens as decorative elements in most of their annual festivities
these are indigenous in the balkans for at least 8000 years, and do not show up anywhere else til much later- so no, not universal. nothing points to these symbols being native or endemic to iceland, or really anywhere outside of the balkans and perhaps parts of north africa. they seem to simply later spread to other traditions nearby, or even taken by occultists as they likely fabricated symbols from native/pagan traditions they learned about. additionally, the symbols are NOT the same and thus not universal.
It’s interesting how WE the people, put the belief or what we think , read the symbols mean. And this people believe this masses belief: aka intention! The ones you’ve shown make me rethink my use of them. YET many will still believe what they “think” the symbol means. As they grow over time- vegvisr, valknut, and ancient Swastka. Others thoughts on meanings of theses??!
This all reminds me of the Tower of Babel and makes me think 'what was before?' 🤔🤷🏻♀️As a race we spoke/understood only ONE language in the beginning, which around the time of the construction of the Tower of Babel, was when all the pre-history/evidence was 'lost/buried', and thus we parted our ways, therefore each haplogroup developed their own language and scripts, giving rise to similar but sometimes VERY DIFFERENT linguistic characters for instance and such things as staves/runes even some tribal patterns from different 'groups' look similar to a degree X 🤔😊👌🏻🙌🏻❤️💎🔥🔥🔥
I would suggest that people did not develop their own languages, but were rather gradually forced to use artificially constructed languages created by distorting the original language as "official languages" by the conquering force. For example it is well known that the Phoenicians (phoney phonetics) gave the Greeks new phonetics, a new "official" language. In most cases of these false languages the rolling R is distorted into a gargling R. The original language is a proto Slavic language, which is proven by the fact that Slavic languages, particularly southern (Balkan) Slavic has many hundreds of words that are identical in pronunciation and meaning as Sanskrit. This proto Slavic is also very similar to northern European runes.
@@marijadjuric8751 totally agree on that point, I was trying to convey that we once had ONE united basis for communication which branched out in to many similar yet different deviations of what communication has evolved to be.
Not Balkan, exclusively Croat religious symbols ie. RomanCatholics and exclusively women ( nowadays, men as well ).. In the Balkans, only Croats and Slovenes ( Croatia and Slovenia ) are RomanCatholic nations. Orthodox Christians did not designate ( mark ) themselves under the Ottoman Empire.
Not true. I am Croat also and all for accuracy - but you see these tattoos also in Aromanian people, Greek, Albanian, Bosnian. Additionally, these symbols first show up in Vinca script, which is the Balkan native script found in Romania, so we certainly can't claim it only in Croatia. These are FAR older than the recent empires, or even Christianity.
In this year what are you says, was a updates. This symbol are more older. By the way Vikings have - 1000years this symbol proktice in a Battle. This Tattos was a first practice in Illyren people pre Christians and after 500n.e by Turkish attacks in balkan. Typical youtube theorie. Check more code 3 6 9 " as a small tipp".
these symbols were also used in Albania and more than 100 years ago people used to tattoo them but nowadays this tradition and history its lost not many people know about them the only evidence is a documentary done in the 70 or 80 s in north in a small village where people still had these tattoos which they had given personal meaning not knowing of it pagan constituison or origin even when asked people would stated that they were either Muslim or Christian and those who knew about its origin would not say a thing for different reason .
So all the people who think they are heroes walking around with so called "viking" symbolic tattoos actually have Jewish symbols on them? - that's so funny!!
I know it's a 2 year old video, but to suggest Ottoman imperialism was benevolent is criminal. You can find works like Plorantis Croatiae saecula duo (English: 2 centuries of Croatia in mourning) talking about the misery Ottomans brought. Enslaving people, including children, kidnapping women, plundering, burning crops and lands. So many people fled and there are still communities in Burgenland (Austria) and in Molise (Italy) who speak the variant of Croatian from the Ottoman era. Nothing about Ottoman rule was benevolent, in fact in our language we still regularly use idioms about them which are less than polite. There's not a single positive idiom about Ottomans or Turks. To call a woman as ugly as a Turkish grave is just about the harshest insult you can come up with.
Although these symbols were written during a Christian era, it would be wrong to call them Christian. Christianity doesn't believe in, or allow, magical spells. That is very much a Pagan idea A more accurate description would be to call them a secretive neoPagan or Occult symbology. Something inspired by the Paganism of old, but created by people who were disconnected from it. They created something new and unique, but they were trying (for the most part) to make something which was explicitly non Christian
Pretty ballsy to claim the Abrahamic god is a fictional character while also claiming to worship pagan gods lol. Not a Christian myself, just to clarify.
In a lot of areas of the world people believe in pagan gods and not the Christian one. You say you're not a Christian, but I think you either used to be one, or are heavily influenced by western culture, because deep in your mind you think of the Abrahamic god's existence as the main god and his possible non-existence would imply or increase the odds of the non-existence of pagan gods.
@@Sylentmana I never said you don't? Don't put words in my mouth. I just find your logic silly. Just because someone doesn't believe in god A doesn't mean it's less credible for them to believe in god B. There's almost entire countries of people that think the christian god is fiction but believe their own gods to be real. It's nothing "ballsy" and completely non-western culturally normal. Only a little over half the global population believes in the abrahamic gods.
Thank you Arith for this video ! The cross shown at 4:20 is similar to one carved in the Mont Bego (South of France) around 3300 B.C to 1800 B.C. and is carved on the rock "of the Pleiads" so it might relate to a cosmic symbol like the sun (as suggested in this study about old crosses : oldmaps.free.fr/cupules/cruciforme.php). What is your though of this cross as a pagan symbol ?
At 04:01 I say "half a century" but it's "half a millennium", of course. This is what happens when holding three different jobs. Wish you all a wonderful day, cheers!
Man, love your videos. Can tou share your sources with us?
Can I ask a question? I got many dreams with the runes (first one was when I was on 14 years age and it was with Kauna and Fehu where some man said to me that the Kauna was the rune of fire and it was my rune and when I woke up I went to check if there is anything so-called runes - I was pretty shocked when I found out that yes, there is and yes there was also the Kauna and yes her element was fire) . In one of all I saw the rune Tyr but like with many feathers not just one (for the left and right side) but many others feathers on one Tyr. There were several Tyrs with different number of the feathers on them and it just like opened up something after my awakening. A divine energy and everything was happening as I wanted and as I needed for the certain moment - was amazing like someone was walking besides me with a magical stick as we say metaphorically. And also I didn't feel tired at all I was able to stay awake and feeling powered in the next day without sleeping all night like I was slept. It was awesome but also strange. I felt this was like a code which was opening a flow like you are connected. I don't know. So, I wanted to ask do you know something about all this? I'm not practicing anything with runes, I just dream them sometimes when I sleep and do my research if I can find something.
Hey wish you the warmest and brightest greetings and wishes for the holidays and New Years Arith Härger X 😊😁👍🏻🙌🏻🔥🔥🔥❤️✨👁✨
Hey Arith Härger, (hope I'm not being annoying) 😕, but I've always been drawn to Scandinavian/Baltic/Nordic, etc staves/runes and the recent or even modern sigils drawn from these, 'traditional black books/manuscripts' containing the original sources for its new counterparts, and when I do reread/or see these side by side, there are such similarities that one without a trained mind/eye may mistake them of being from the same place/book/script, etc, when they are not/completely different meanings/authors/places. However thank you for making and uploading this 'bulk/compendium in a nutshell' of important information, as I truly appreciate your work and input X 😁😊👍🏻🙌🏻❤️🍀⚡️✨📚📜✍🏻✨😎💎💕
@Archistrega Jane Slaughter, Ελλιστέα are you talking to me or is this aimed at Arith Härger? As I’m not so narrowly minded to think there is only one area/source where anything could/did originate from.
Bosnian here and I'm so grateful for this!
Great topic.
I am from Croatia 🇭🇷 and it was very interesting and yes the use of those symbols declined during 20th century and almost died out during comunist regime.
Saw this comment, I'm also from Croatia, and this dude looks like a spitting image of my friend
Greetings from Balkan girl currently living in Portugal! Loved your recent videos about pagan traditions in Iberian pennisula btw! Ex-YU countries that were enslaved by Ottoman empire were Macedonia, Serbia, Montenegro, Bosnia and small parts of Croatia. I honestly never heard before about tattoing girls to prevent them from being taken, but it totally makes sense. Parents used pretty dark methods to stop Ottomans commiting another unspeakable crime: child levy and taking healty boys to turn them into elite soldiers (Janissaries/Janjičari) that will later serve in wars agains their own country. They resorted to breaking childrens limbs and similar mutillation to make them inadequate for army. Please make more videos about pagan traditions in Balkans, we still have many of them ingrained in our everyday life!
I agree. I was a little thrown off by him saying it was benevolent...no such thing as benevolent imperialization. Imperial empires in the Balkans are what led to the many bloody wars we lived through and still traumatize us today, so I do think maybe he should re-think saying the people who imperialized us and made ancestors give up their children were "benevolent". They were "allowed" to keep their faith only because if they chose to, they were oppressed.
Najveca je tuga sto mi niti jednu izdvojenu lekciju u skolama nismo ucili o svojim mitovima, bogovima i predajama. Pozdrav iz 🇧🇦
@@baalhamon3555 Baš tako! Ja sam, doduše, samoinicijativno pisala maturski na temu mitologije starih Slovena i imala sjajnu profesorku koja je dosta dobro poznavala (i volela) tu temu, ali više smo učili o Antičkoj Grčkoj i Rimu nego o našim paganskim korenima i precima. Veliki pozdrav iz 🇷🇸🇵🇹
@@m.aj11 Svaka ti cast i vjerujem da je divno bilo imati nekoga kao tu profesorku koja ti je mogla pomoci. Nedavno sam od Nenada Gajica bas procitao knjigu "Slovenski paganizam". Interesantno ali me kopka sto znam da ima puuuno vise. Boli me jedino sto su ovi nasi prostori, izgleda, zaista bili kolijevke nekih lijepih civilizacija, folklora i obicaja. Trebali bi se ponositi s njima i trebali smo ih dobro cuvati! Jedino sam u paganizmu iskonski pronasao iskrene ljudske vrijednosti. "Budi insan/covjek, zivi svoj zivot kako najbolje znas/punim plucima/u skladu sa prirodom jer je uvijek pravi odgovor onaj koji proistice iz prirode i ne cini drugome neophodno i namjerno zlo"
Zelim ti svu srecu gdje god bila,
Slava Rodu!
@@baalhamon3555 Divno sročeno, slažem sa svime! Poznavati i zadržati te običaje koji su rezultat milenijumskih mešanja ljudi i kultura i koji su i dalje vrlo jaki, bez obzira na sve strane uticaje. Balkan je jedan od centara diverziteta Evrope, što u biološkom, što u kulturološkom smislu i moramo sačuvati ono što je tako dragoceno. Veliki pozdrav i svako dobro! P.S. jedna od omiljenih knjiga bila i ostala "Pod slobodnim suncem", a sada ima dosta dobrih novih izdanja o predanjima, mitologiji i religiji tako da mnogo sreće u potrazi za dodatnim znanjem!
Thanks, Arith, this video was really interesting. Do you know anything about the use of these symbols in Romania? They look very similar to patterns that we have on traditional folk clothing. If you are looking for more video ideas in the future, I'd love to know more about traditional Romanian folk symbolism. :) Thanks for all of the time and effort you put into making these videos. They are very informative and greatly appreciated!
Elder futhark has been found all the way in Ukraine... also, if you look at the transylvania feudal system and the subgroups involved then a better understanding will be found... along with all of that and before the goths runes were used alot in that whole area...
If you want to know more just comment and I'll respond as soon as I can
You should look into the Vinca script. This tablet contains many of the symbols found in our native tattoos, and it was found in Romania. All evidence points to these symbols being relatively pan-Balkan, and FAR pre-dating monotheistic religion (thus not specific to one Balkan ethnicity). I can't say more as I am mainly versed in these being in the Vinca script, then common amongst Illyrian people and later primarily Western Balkans peoples, but it is sure that some of these symbols have common roots in your country :)
@ᚹᛟᛚᚠᛊᛟᚾ and @Ava Carić-Jurkota , thanks for the replies and for giving me further direction to go in.
@@alexborcau2 it's not a problem, if you need anything else just ask
@@magda5072 it is really, to be honest I've been studying runes (full time) for about 6 years I started out trying to find anywhere across the globe that any form of or what would be considered as runes... it's amazing how wide spread they actually went
thank you so much for this amazing information. my grandmother has such a tattoo on her hand, now I know more about it, she did it when she was a young teenager
Great video Arith. I love majical symbols
I would LOVE to see these in comparison to the Pennsylvania Dutch barn hexes
They do look similar.
Sir those opening jokes were fire 🤣 I will never recover 😂😂😂
I think it's interesting that a lot of these symbols are similar to ice crystals/snow flakes. I had a book years ago (before it was destroyed in one of many disasters..😒) by Dr. Emoto talking about how words and emotions can effect us since we are mostly made of water, and showing how different each water crystal forms from having different things "fed" to it. Pretty interesting stuff.
Great video Arith. Small world. Fascinating topic. 😃
I've been waiting so long for you to cover this subject. Such a great start to my day.
You have a very interesting story. The topic of this video is also interesting. thanks a lot
Thank you for the history and culture.
Some extra info for anyone interested (apologies if some info is repeated, these paragraphs are lifted directly from the book "Ancient Ink" )
Since 2009, Bosnian researcher Tea Mihaljevic (née Turalija, 2011) has conducted more than two dozen interviews with traditionally tattooed Catholic women and men from Bosnia and Herzegovina. The oldest tattooed woman she has met, Marta Kuna of Osmanlije (Kupres Municipality), was born in 1917, but her story and those of the many other Bosnian and Croatian Catholics who wear these ancient symbols are waiting to be told (fig. 10.1). It is not known when or where the practice of tattooing originated among the Catholics of this part of the Balkan Peninsula. However, it has been demonstrated (see Renaut, chapter 17, this volume) that it was an autochthonous tradition of Thraco- Illyrian cultures that inhabited the Balkans prior to 300 BCE. Moreover, Croatian anthropologists Ćiro Truhelka (1896) and Mario Petrić (1973, 1976) wrote that the combinations of cruciforms, celestial bodies, and other natural symbols that comprise this graphic tradition predated Christianity. British travel writer Mary E. Durham (1929:121−22), who traveled extensively across the region in the early twentieth century, was told by a local priest, “They have a number of curious pagan beliefs, which they will not tell me. I have found that they believe in two powers-Light and Darkness- which are in conflict-Good and Evil. These tattoos are in some way connected with this belief. So is the Serpent, which they sometimes tattoo and also draw on the walls.” Bosnian Catholics called the tattooing process bocati or sicati (Bosnian, “to sting,” “to prick,” or “to cut”) whereas Durham’s Catholic informants in northern Albania called it sharati (“to color”). Croats who fled Bosnia during Turkish rule to settle as refugees in Dalmatia and Slavonia termed it bocanje or sicanje (Croatian, “stinging,” “pricking,” “tattooing”). In Bosnia, some of the traditional patterns were as follows: kolo (“the circle”), named after a customary dance, klas (“ear of corn”), ograda (“fence ring”), narukvitza (“bracelet”), grancitza (“small pine twig”), eliza (“fir tree”), krizh or krizhevi (“cross,” “crosses”), and Sun, Moon, and Morning Star
T he tattoo patterns were traditionally applied by old women, who first stenciled the design onto the skin with the blunt end of their tattooing needle or a chicken feather. Sometimes the design was carved into a piece of willow or ash bark and stamped onto the epidermis. Generally speaking, tattoo pigment consisted of the soot of resinous pinesap collected on a plate and then combined with honey and water, saliva, and mother’s milk from women who had a male child with blue eyes…many other substances could also be combined with soot2 to produce tattoo ink, including milk from a black sheep, horse milk, egg yolk, juniper berry juice, holy water, or sugar (Tea Mihaljevic, personal communication, March 27, 2016). Mihaljevic’s informants stated that after the design was pricked into the skin with one or more “hot” needles, a piece of blue indigo paper was applied to the wound for one day to enhance the color. This type of paper was once common as a tobacco wrapper.
Certain significant Christian days of the year were preferred for tattooing: Annunciation Day (March 25), Good Friday, Palm Sunday, and St. John’s Day (June 24) were tattooing days, but March 19 (St. Joseph’s Day) was the most common.3 Truhelka’s informants stated that tattooing was performed in spring because the wounds healed more easily during this time. However, he argued that there was a deeper religious meaning associated with the timing of the tattooing rite that “had disappeared from popular consciousness” (Truhelka 1896:497). More specifically, he believed that tattooing was connected to the position of the Sun, fertility, and the spring equinox, because St. Joseph’s Day fell on the eve of the spring solstice. As noted, tattooing was especially connected to religion. One of Durham’s (1929:104) female informants explained: “All the family comes to see it done,” because “Christ suffered for us, [and] it is right we should suffer for Him.” Similarly, Marta Kuna told Mihaljevic, “It was Good Friday and Jesus suffered on the cross, [so] we put [the tattoo] in His name.”
However, tattoos had other religious functions. During the Turkish occupation of Bosnia and Herzegovina (1463−1878), Catholics were forced to convert to Islam. “Our oral traditions handed down from our grandmothers recorded that Turkish chiefs (Begs or begovi) ravished our beautiful girls by force,” Mihaljevic says. “These women would rather die, so they committed suicide, sometimes by jumping from cliffs, to escape the clutches of the Begs. If they refused their advances, the Turks would murder them. Begs had the right to sleep with Christian women on their first wedding night. So our people tattooed their hands, fingers, chests, foreheads with crosses and other ancient ornaments in order to protect themselves from Turks.” Tattooed elder Ljuba Šimić of Rastičevo village remembered: “Turks despised the cross so cross tattoos were a form of protection.” Mihaljevic also added: “Our children, male and female, were also taken to Turkey as slaves, so they too were marked. This was done so that they would always know that they were Catholic once, even if converted to Islam.”
might as well throw these paragraphs in aswell
"About 460 bce, Herodotus (Book V, 6) wrote that among the Thracians, “to be tattooed is a sign of noble birth, while to bear no such marks is for the baser sort.” This curious testimony is among the first written evidence of the practice of voluntary tattooing in the written history of mankind. Contrasting accounts explain that Thracian women began to tattoo in an attempt to reclaim their bodies after being forcibly marked by Scythians while in captivity1 or were tattooed by their husbands as a punishment for killing Orpheus. The credibility of these early literary accounts may be questioned as heavily biased, considering the use of otherness as a literary technique (Dimova 2014:36; Hartog 1988). While a critical assessment of Herodotus’s narrative on Scythian customs suggests that the Father of History relied heavily on informants who were mixing observations and ideology (Ivantchik 2011), the reliability of literary evidence on early historic tattooing in southern Europe is to a certain extent indirectly confirmed by extant mummified tattooed bodies buried roughly during Herodotus’s time in Siberia and the Altai Mountains of Central Asia (see Pankova, chapter 5, this volume), and by images of tattooed Thracian women and goddesses illustrated on Athenian and Apulian red-figure pottery made throughout the f ifth and fourth centuries BCE
Contrary to Herodotus’s account, the tattoos depicted on Apulian red-figure pottery are located exclusively on the hands and feet of goddesses and Thracian women, but not on depicted Thracian nobles (Tsiafakis 2015; Zimmermann 1980:166). These marks usually consist of relatively simple geometric patterns and compositions including straight lines, chevrons, meanders, and crosses (Tsiafakis 2015; Vasileva 2016:30; Zimmermann 1980:184), all of which are reminiscent of Thracian clothing and textiles depicted both on red-figure vessels and on ceramics from southwestern Bulgaria referred to as Tsepina (or Tsruncha) (Domaradzki 1990, 1994; Georgieva 2003; Hänsel 1976). The few recurring Thracian figural tattoo patterns that appear in pictorial sources include the sun, the snake, and the deer."
I often repeat things from your videos to my mom; I was repeating to her how these magical traditions were a combination of Christianity and local folk traditions and beliefs - and she brought up the fact that it's no different today. Churches in America put on Easter egg hunts for the kids. Good luck explaining to them where THAT is in the Bible.
Thank you so much for reminding me how deeply wrapped in Christianity much of Northern European tradition is. I think we (non-Christians) sort of tend to edit out some of the Christian influence, and focus more on the magical and folk traditions... but it really can't be separated like that. They are deeply intertwined.
Muy interesante ,gracias por las traducciones 👌👌👌
Hello from the Balkans! I am happy to see foreigners interested in our culture and history, but you have now taken a tiny bite of something extremely big.
These types of symbols are found all over our lands since neolithic times. Research the Vincha (also called Danube valley culture.) They have nothing to do with Christianity, they are "pagan". The equal-sided cross as well as the swastika have been the holiest symbols here and across the northern hemisphere for thousands of years before Christianity. They were used everywhere, not just tatoos. We do not have any such symbols resembling solomon's sygil, to me it looks like a black magic spell to distort holy symbols of the time, so I would say you have the chronology there backwards. Little known fact - the Serbian calender counts 7530 years this year. That is about 2000 years older than the Jewish calender.
Here we go with the Serbian quasi-history...
@@adiidahl Nothing quasi about it. Serbian history is the antithesis to fake "official" history.
Love your stuff kick on love it
18:40 "Obrigado por hoje"
Completely unrelated but I am absolutely in love with your style and energy.
Thank you so much my grandparents were from Iceland 🇮🇸 and I’m in America and I’m learning so much about my heritage because of your postings. Thank you 🙏🏼
Very interesting!
Hej I have been waiting for this 1!!! I love the Balkans!!! Tusen tack Arith. Is like if you read my mind. Hugs! The exYugoslavia now. Is desintegrated. The strongest economy was Slovenia.
Ty deeply
Thanks for this amazing video! I'm definitely checking out your channel more! Btw, I was born and bred in the Balkan region and I'll just let you in on something: "Narukvica" wouldn't be pronounced "Narukvika". In Balkan languages, everything is pronounced phonetically, so letter "c" in the word would be pronounced as "tz". So it would result in something like "Narukvitza".
Thank you!
This was so interesting! A whole bridge between these traditions that I never knew were connected in this way. I was curious as to why Icelandic tattoo artists that I follow were using what I found out to be Croatian symbols, this was very enlightening!
I studied hung gar kung fu, and many of the symbols are the same in shaolin teachings
As always, thank you for all your knowledge!!! I’ll wait patiently for your first book!! 🥰 Yes I know wishful thinking on the book thing right? 🥺 I love listening to you, but I would love to pass your wisdom on for generations. My family loves your work!!🥰🥰🥰🥰
You're amazing my friend. Thank you for all your content.
"kolo" is a old slavic word for 'sun' .....related to "sol"
im second gen Croatian/american, and my dad never really taught me anything so i appreciate you putting this info out!
Wonderful subject. Thank you for sharing.
So very interesting, Thank You, for the video and your knowledge. I'm so glad I found your channel. I saw your cat at the end lol.
Thank you for this wonderful video, i enjoyed to watch it.
It's amazing that ，there were similar symbols in ancient China，Some people see these types of runes in meditation
And i thought they were athe evolved form of Cimbri-Kurdish tattoos lol.
That was amazing xxx
"I'm not making any friends here"
Thank you Arith!!!
I'm not even a minute in but I loved that "baby boy of a fictional character" line so much I had to stop & comment! XD
Excellent, as always. Thank you.
Much appreciated!
My grandmother had those tattoos.
hey from the balkans!!
i loveee ur videos and i'd want to give u a video suggestion. can u talk about the Pliska rosette?
i remember hearing about it a long time ago when i first got into runes and i was so shocked to learn we had such similar runes as well
i have feel a strong connection to it ever since
keep up the good work!! and much love
Spruce trees with little red presents with white spots all over them!?
That happens in nature at the end of August early September (when the frost comes those presents disappear completely, it's got next to Nothing to do with December!)
heheheh i'm watching this at 3am on a stormy night -making 'Jule' presents for my cat - He says, "i'm not making any friends here . . " hahaha We love you Arith.
the pentacles in solomonic magick (lemegeton) is high magick. it doesn't summon demons, but planetary energies, unless you add the name of a spirit
Interesting! Thank you! 😊
Always so good
i should say that these tattoos were not "forbidden" during the communist period, but frowned upon, seen as backward etc as far as i'm aware there was no law issued by the communists forbidding this practice of tattooing. just as tattooing in the western world around that period was taboo, albeit for different reasons (associations with criminality, protestant conceptions of the body as a temple etc). i think it's important to clarify this point.
Thx for the topic and cheers from 🇧🇦🤘
Est ce que le sapin va résister aux attaques des chats ? Si oui tu as de la "chance " 😂. Merci pour la vidéo. 😉
They do look a lot like magnetic field lines. Or diagram of ancient technology? It funny how far and wide this is! I can recall the Australia aboriginals have similar symbols as rock art. So I wonder how’s old the symbol are?
Engraçado que até com Umbanda se assemelha.
Sim é verdade, justamente por isso me interessei.
Assista os vídeos anteriores a este!
Na realidade as grafias usadas na umbanda não é criação da umbanda!
Vem de muito antes, até mesmo antes dessas histórias que ele conta no canal!
Arith, Do you know if the same symbols were used in the Visney Novgorod region in Russia ?
☠️ the first 30 seconds is completely fine 🔥 this is why I have some faith in humanity
I'd like to add a tid bit about the duelism in a religion being a element from Judaism, I don't think it's unique to Judaism, but also other Iranic religions, like Zoroastrianism.
I also would like to add that the Balkan tattoos have a very specific slavic paganistic flair with trees and nature being key elements.
Ćiro Truhelka, a scholar who has done most work on this tradition, also stated that the patterns have a very specific old flair.
Obrigado!
Did these evolve from scythian sarmatian tamgas?
Christmas trees were originally invented in Germany weren't they?
That was Rome.
@@zketizk no germany, they appear in the guild halls of late medieval / early reanniseance german cities first
@@EmilReiko again, nope. "Christmass" tree was firstly set in old Rome. It was decorated with red apples.
@@zketizk nope, whatever the romans did its an unrelated tradition that has nothing to do with tradition emerging in germany in the 15th/16th century beside a wider european tendency to use evergreens as decorative elements in most of their annual festivities
Perhaps it would be acceptable to conclude that these are universal symbols, developed and shared cross-culturally, across the ages?
these are indigenous in the balkans for at least 8000 years, and do not show up anywhere else til much later- so no, not universal. nothing points to these symbols being native or endemic to iceland, or really anywhere outside of the balkans and perhaps parts of north africa.
they seem to simply later spread to other traditions nearby, or even taken by occultists as they likely fabricated symbols from native/pagan traditions they learned about. additionally, the symbols are NOT the same and thus not universal.
@@acj1993 But it is stated that they were Christian, which is only 2021 years old, so not that ancient.
It’s interesting how WE the people, put the belief or what we think , read the symbols mean. And this people believe this masses belief: aka intention! The ones you’ve shown make me rethink my use of them. YET many will still believe what they “think” the symbol means. As they grow over time- vegvisr, valknut, and ancient Swastka.
Others thoughts on meanings of theses??!
This all reminds me of the Tower of Babel and makes me think 'what was before?' 🤔🤷🏻♀️As a race we spoke/understood only ONE language in the beginning, which around the time of the construction of the Tower of Babel, was when all the pre-history/evidence was 'lost/buried', and thus we parted our ways, therefore each haplogroup developed their own language and scripts, giving rise to similar but sometimes VERY DIFFERENT linguistic characters for instance and such things as staves/runes even some tribal patterns from different 'groups' look similar to a degree X 🤔😊👌🏻🙌🏻❤️💎🔥🔥🔥
I would suggest that people did not develop their own languages, but were rather gradually forced to use artificially constructed languages created by distorting the original language as "official languages" by the conquering force. For example it is well known that the Phoenicians (phoney phonetics) gave the Greeks new phonetics, a new "official" language. In most cases of these false languages the rolling R is distorted into a gargling R. The original language is a proto Slavic language, which is proven by the fact that Slavic languages, particularly southern (Balkan) Slavic has many hundreds of words that are identical in pronunciation and meaning as Sanskrit. This proto Slavic is also very similar to northern European runes.
@@marijadjuric8751 totally agree on that point, I was trying to convey that we once had ONE united basis for communication which branched out in to many similar yet different deviations of what communication has evolved to be.
@@marijadjuric8751 thank you for the information by the way, very much appreciated X 😁🙌🏻🥰✨🔥✨❤️🧿
@@BenedictaXValentina Yes it must have been a far simpler time before those that cause division, distortion, confusion and chaos began their assault.
@@marijadjuric8751 yep agreed 🥰👍🏻 but sadly it’s what’s happened 🤷🏻♀️
Ok, so I'm cracking up in the first 30 seconds... LOLOL! Thank you!
Thanks, Vladan from Serbian balkan
Hagal, still on almost every ambulance in the world!
Hagal, Hagel, hail, hail falls with force, turns into water and suppprts life.
Vinča culture- the oldest runes. 🇷🇸 🇸🇪
Not Balkan, exclusively Croat religious symbols ie. RomanCatholics and exclusively women ( nowadays, men as well ).. In the Balkans, only Croats and Slovenes ( Croatia and Slovenia ) are RomanCatholic nations. Orthodox Christians did not designate ( mark ) themselves under the Ottoman Empire.
Not true. I am Croat also and all for accuracy - but you see these tattoos also in Aromanian people, Greek, Albanian, Bosnian. Additionally, these symbols first show up in Vinca script, which is the Balkan native script found in Romania, so we certainly can't claim it only in Croatia. These are FAR older than the recent empires, or even Christianity.
In this year what are you says, was a updates. This symbol are more older. By the way Vikings have - 1000years this symbol proktice in a Battle. This Tattos was a first practice in Illyren people pre Christians and after 500n.e by Turkish attacks in balkan. Typical youtube theorie. Check more code 3 6 9 " as a small tipp".
technically, Bosnia and Herzegovina and Croatia are all former Yugoslavia
these symbols were also used in Albania and more than 100 years ago people used to tattoo them but nowadays this tradition and history its lost not many people know about them the only evidence is a documentary done in the 70 or 80 s in north in a small village where people still had these tattoos which they had given personal meaning not knowing of it pagan constituison or origin even when asked people would stated that they were either Muslim or Christian and those who knew about its origin would not say a thing for different reason .
So all the people who think they are heroes walking around with so called "viking" symbolic tattoos actually have Jewish symbols on them? - that's so funny!!
Its the same religion..almost.
I ordered cookie 🍪 🍪 cutters with many these symbols,
What does Arith Härger mean?
@Jamie because his real name João Francisco Testa Garção Härger Branquinho de Figueiredo. He is actually Portuguese.
It means he’s larping as a Scandanavian when he’s actually Portuguese.
@Jamie Changing your entire name to a completely unrelated Norse heritage is clearly suggesting something lol
@@wulfsorenson8859 Arith is not a scandinavian name… but your name sounds a bit scandi-larpy itself
I know it's a 2 year old video, but to suggest Ottoman imperialism was benevolent is criminal. You can find works like Plorantis Croatiae saecula duo (English: 2 centuries of Croatia in mourning) talking about the misery Ottomans brought. Enslaving people, including children, kidnapping women, plundering, burning crops and lands. So many people fled and there are still communities in Burgenland (Austria) and in Molise (Italy) who speak the variant of Croatian from the Ottoman era.
Nothing about Ottoman rule was benevolent, in fact in our language we still regularly use idioms about them which are less than polite. There's not a single positive idiom about Ottomans or Turks. To call a woman as ugly as a Turkish grave is just about the harshest insult you can come up with.
Although these symbols were written during a Christian era, it would be wrong to call them Christian. Christianity doesn't believe in, or allow, magical spells. That is very much a Pagan idea
A more accurate description would be to call them a secretive neoPagan or Occult symbology. Something inspired by the Paganism of old, but created by people who were disconnected from it. They created something new and unique, but they were trying (for the most part) to make something which was explicitly non Christian
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These are Christian symbols and have nothing to do with pre-Christian religions.
Pretty ballsy to claim the Abrahamic god is a fictional character while also claiming to worship pagan gods lol.
Not a Christian myself, just to clarify.
I've never claimed to worship any deity. I've seldom expressed my own beliefs :I
@@ArithHärger So do you believe in gods of any kind?
In a lot of areas of the world people believe in pagan gods and not the Christian one. You say you're not a Christian, but I think you either used to be one, or are heavily influenced by western culture, because deep in your mind you think of the Abrahamic god's existence as the main god and his possible non-existence would imply or increase the odds of the non-existence of pagan gods.
@@shodantek6855 no, I think all gods are fictional. Don’t try to psychoanalyze me just because you don’t like my comment.
@@Sylentmana I never said you don't? Don't put words in my mouth. I just find your logic silly. Just because someone doesn't believe in god A doesn't mean it's less credible for them to believe in god B. There's almost entire countries of people that think the christian god is fiction but believe their own gods to be real. It's nothing "ballsy" and completely non-western culturally normal. Only a little over half the global population believes in the abrahamic gods.
Thank you Arith for this video ! The cross shown at 4:20 is similar to one carved in the Mont Bego (South of France) around 3300 B.C to 1800 B.C. and is carved on the rock "of the Pleiads" so it might relate to a cosmic symbol like the sun (as suggested in this study about old crosses : oldmaps.free.fr/cupules/cruciforme.php). What is your though of this cross as a pagan symbol ?