It was amusing and somewhat surreal seeing 3 guys whaling on another's groin with pool noodles. I genuinely think, as fellow men, they just couldn't bring themselves to hit you that hard there haha...
I love how Wonderboy constantly apologized for using the illegal techniques (even though that was the purpose of the video), but Sweet T absolutely relished the task, haha.
@@SenseiSeth it makes sense he is a karate guy, for self defense karate they do tell you to go for the bollz if you have to. Besides you are testing yourself if you can kick precise between the legs. I think that WB with illegal moves allowed would be an assassin. But idk grapplers seem even more scary with the bites & finger snapping.
He landed 16 eye pokes with you specifically expecting and trying to defend against an eye poke. Now imagine someone not expecting it and being hit full force with a finger tip drive or a spear hand strike to the eye socket/ ocular cavity.
Awesome Sensei Seth. This was a cool collaboration, not just with marital art TH-camrs, but with Dr. Chris too. We have a lot of fun with martial arts but at the end of day these techniques are meant to harm people.
7:45, this is probably the reason why they ban fence grab. You're much bigger and it was almost impossible for you to take him down. Imagine if they were the same size, just a moment grab can recover from any takedowns.
Ironically while it's a perfect reason to keep it, the original reason they made it illegal is different. In the early UFC the rules were a bit more lax and in one fight Tank Abbott against Paul Varelans is what made the rule change. th-cam.com/video/SgRKoHZ-J18/w-d-xo.html Here if you want to watch it yourself, can't see it very well in this but at one point Tank had Varelans up against the cage and was using the cage to rake the face of Varelans. The fight ends with Tank's knee on Varelan's face and neck, and pulling on the cage for extra leverage to sink the submission in more. He uses the cage as a weapon extensively enough the announcers are talking about it in the video.
fence grabbing should be automatic 1 point deduction. That one take down attempt that was stuffed by it could be a massive game changer and people only gets a warning
Big props to you for doing this, entertaining video as always. As a note, a lot of the eye pokes I see in UFC fights seem to be defensive accidents, that is the fighter tries to parry and accidentally pokes someone in the eye who's coming forward.
No they are not. They are illegal because they leave more permanent damage compared to their effectiveness. Finishing a choke is more effective than all of the moves shown here, but it's legal because you can tap to it, and even if you don't you only go to sleep for 30 seconds.
I do wonder if the 12-6 elbow would be more powerful from a mount position as well. In the test you guys did, you can really sink your entire bodyweight into it, which you could not do as much while in your knees.
That would be interesting. I think the test they did was perfectly valid though because it is a decent simulation of stuffing a takedown, and I think that's the worse case because then a 12-6 elbow is really likely to land on the back of the head. I'd be curious to see what the power was like with grapevines from the mount or high mount which are both decent for keeping position while freeing up the hands.
Yes the downward elbow, goes better with body mechanics, your shoulder is meant to go up and down easier then rotating. Try the move and you’ll feel that your arms gets more stukck in the “normal” elbow position
One thing that always gets me is in these types of tests, eye pokes are just treated like finger punches. There are so many more ways you can get someone in the eye. An eye poke doesn't require the same force as a punch to be effective, so you can still deal damage in positions where punches would not be effective (i.e. very close quarters).
one of the earliest rules of the UFC was no little joint control which means individual finger breaking, pulling, etc. Bites to the neck or other squishy targets too, etc.
12 to 6 elbowing is denied by one doctor, who weren't speciliased in any type of fighting, but he still was in this board that was making the rules, he told that he has seen that kind of elbowing destroy ice blocks and that kind of a force used to human head would be too dangerous.
If kicks to the balls are treated just like any other technique, - meaning set up with punches, feints, used as part of combos - and not an "alleged instant win" (as it was shown here), - then their effects can go pretty far. Ranging from a TKO to an opportunity window for a KO. Just imagine that beside all the regular targets, every now and then after a 1-2 - a low kick flies intentionally full-power to the balls. Or is getting switched into a high kick to the head. Or the other way around. Or both or whatnot. In the early UFC it was actually legal, but was excluded quickly enough. Headbutts, on the other hand - were legal for a much longer time. And were used to a devastating effect, when some big dudes realized that a properly applied in a ground-and-pound scenario - it's like fighting with a weapon. Mark Kerr, a powerful and formidable wrestler of that time - was well known to put this technique to use, while it was still legal. In addition to Mark's size, strength and grappling - he truly owned his nickname: "The Smashing Machine". Most fighters would already be mentally defeated when he entered the cage.
I always think of that crazy tang soo do guy in one of the early ufc fights who caught his opponent in crucifix and then rained about 3 12 - 6 elbows onto him. It was really nasty. A 12 - 6 on the back of the head is definitely dangerous! Theres also the chance of missing the head and hitting the point where the spine and the skull connect. ☠️
UFC fighters like JJ don't use eye pokes offensively but rather defensively to stop opponents from charging in and to maintain distance. They are highly effective and responsible for many victories.
Sensei Seth pausing and looking at the camera when doc said testicular rupture was as though his life flashed before his eyes lol I grew up with brothers and that is a no no lol. Overall great video guys! Love the collabs!
Maaaaaaan I have tears from laughing, there are so many gems in this video, I loved the awkward hand holding moment with wonderboy in the beginning xD !!!!!!!!
for the eye pokes, he was only trying to land those and you knew it. if you had to defend against kicks (he didn't attempt a single one) then landing them would probably be significantly easier? i think that's closer to the point of the rule
My coach explained that it the 12-6 elbow was stronger because it uses more of the muscles that we use for throwing stuff, and apparently our body is quite adapted to throwing objects. For the groin shot, as far as my knowledge goes, it's the pelvic floor the what's the real killer. The nuts hurt but to reach the pelvic floor you have to really penetrate. I would say that the noodle test didn't quite do it. I would have Wonderboy knee Sensei Seth right there tbh. (Sorry sensei Seth)
It's crazy that it hasn't been that long since Seth was just some awkward dude with 1000 subs on icy Mikes channel. Props to him for grinding and really getting good at this TH-cam stuff.
12-6 thing. Doing legal elbow you use mostly pectoralis major muscle. Doing illegal elbow you use latissimus dorsi and triceps brahii with together are much stronger than usein pec musle. Also as wonderboy said there might be little less surface on a illegal elbow, depending how you hit your legal elbow.
The addition of Christ in this was excellent. It's nice to get that perspective as to what the potential dangers of things are. Definitely very informative. (Also he's pretty funny so that adds to it as well)
Gotta admit. The groin shot kind of went as I expected. It sucks, but it's not world ending. Which is why everytime I see a groin shot that a fighter uses as an opportunity for a 2 minute break I think they're just using the rest. Most of those groin shots are usually questionable too. Example: Wonderboy's "groin shot" on Holland
One of the fathers of MMA, Big John McCarthy explained that the reason the 12-6 elbow was made illegal was because one of the comissioners saw a Karate video where a Karateka broke several sheets of ice from the technique..... Thanks Karate.
With the 12 to 6 elbow there's a risk of damage to the spinal column if the attacker is shooting in for a takedown. Technique I was taught when an attacker shoots in for takedown it's knee to the face followed by downward elbow strike usually to the back of the neck then uppercut.
I wonder if for cage grabbing they're also worried about injuries to the fighter grabbing the cage. ik in climbing you never put your fingers in the bolts as if you fell you're at risk of degloving. it's probably not as bad with the fence but I could still see someone messing up their fingers and potentially having them degloved if a really strong wrestler tried to rip them off the fence and something got caught
Some of the ufc's rules are good & should be there. The other 80% should not have been made in the first place, let alone be still on the books today. If they would go back to the early rules & format with today's talent, it would be incredible.
I grew up competing in a point tournaments organization in Texas that just banned groin shots in the last five years. Prior to that, kicks to the groin were a legal point target. A cup was required equipment.These shots hurt and might require a time out, but we usually kept going. We never had a serious injury as a result. Before you say it was "just point fighting" many world champion kickboxers competed in this league. Although it is considered Medium to light contact, it was actually medium to hard contact. I've seen people get knocked out, the other person is awarded a point, and the fight continues after a medic checks them out. When we went to the groin, we intended to slow our oponent down. I saw more than one cup get cracked.
The thing with the eye poke tho is they know the opponent is trying for an eye poke so they are guarding high, if they didn't know it was coming you could drop their guard with body shots so it would be even easier than the video
Always out of the box ideas in this chanel, love it. Small note, the eye poke was used on a standing situation, I think this move if it was not illegal, would be more of a use in a submission situation when eyes are in a closer reach and could reverse the situation
I couldn't think of the video where you said "why would things get worse over time?" comparing traditional and modern, so I came here cause I thought of something: If you take evolution as a reference, the things that get worse over time are the things we use less and less frequently; use it or lose it. The next thing is a relative perception of violence; the lower the injury/death rate is, the more attention is given to any one instance of it.... (I'm skipping some steps here) The safer the world becomes, the more rules UFC will add until it becomes what karate was a few years ago. I only heard about this recently, but I wish I was alive during the early days of MMA cause I keep hearing we'd actually be able to see Karate and Kung fu contending with and even dominating over the other styles.
Some of them also do disproportionate amount of damage to the body while in the cage. Back when Some of these moves were allowed the fighters would be fine in the cage but weeks or months later some serious problems started outside of the cage later ending Some of there careers.
I got pocked in the eye many years ago when I was first training karate as a green belt, it dropped me like a stone, from the injury I got corneal cell erosion, which is basically an ulcer growing on your cornea, its a type of bacterial infection, the upshot is I nearly lost my eye ! without treatment the ulcer would have eaten a hole in my eye and once the inner eye is exposed to the outer atmosphere the eye is gone ! I needed intense treatment, anti biotics in my eye every hour on the hour for 5 days in hospital, specialist eye unit. It healed eventually but had to scare to do so, very very luckily the scare is not in the centre of my eye so it doesn't affect my vision but if it was in the centre I'm told I'd only have 20% vision in that eye. Eye pocks are very dangerous, I would say though if it was life or death stick your finger in your attackers eye, it stopped my attack instantly !!!
@@killersalmon4359 well I don't expect them to actually change the cages. It's probably much cheaper to just keep the cages and leave the rules. But it would be cooler if they had actual walls..... still then some fighters would find ways to throw the opponent into that hard surface. There's no perfect solution for this format of fighting. Maybe have the fighters at a sunken level box arena with padding on the walls....
The lack of padding on that head gear makes it supremely vulnerable to downward elbow strikes. I think you'd get more eye gouges if Seth didn't know that was the target.
Problem with the eye poke simulation is that eye poked usually happen while the person getting poked is exchanging and on the offensive, it is the defensive posture that is committing the infraction. The opposite of this video
I feel like this has been discussed a lot in the internet martial arts community, but it's cool to see. It's hard to poke eyes and kick groins, but a trained fighter is going to be a lot better at setting up and executing those techniques than someone who doesn't routinely practice sparring.
Absolutely. Even a less-than-average practitioner, yet the kind who has already learned the concept of properly setting up kicks, - will have no problem catching an opponent with a full-force low kick aimed at the balls.
A eye poke is a perfect first strike strategy in a street fight, not so after the first strike. A groin shot or grab is a perfect "immediate end of fight" strategy. It's situationnal tho. You don't have to purposely aim for it. It's a situational shot you instinctively do if the guy is wide open.
imo cage should be replaced with plexiglass. It both solves the problem of being able to grab it or injure yourself with it while also adding an element that could be used legally in the fight, like the cords are in boxing.
There are also videos of 12-6 elbows on TH-cam. Where it be in promotions that allow them, "promotions" where maybe they fight with no rules in concrete car parks, or on the street and they do seem to hurt ppl quite badly.
As for the biting part, I know one dude who got two fingers bitten CLEAN OFF by some crazy guy he fought over road rage nonsense. His pinky and ring finger completely severed. Like gone gone, bone and everything. The human jaw can do some nasty damage.
Human have surprisingly squishy parts. The ears are only connected by a thin layer of skin and flesh and anyone with decent grip strength could tear or rip them
As a painter I have had stuff blown into my eyes quite often and even slightly lacerated so I'll share the most common reaction . You jerk your head away instantly as it shuts and you put your hands up to it but you can barely physically force yourself to open it , or even the other eye. . Once the eyeball itself is either cut or depressed the nervous system takes over and theres a type of spasm and a fluttering sound like you can actually hear the nerves. It's usually a good minute before you can get it to open and try to start treating it somehow. You certainly aren't going to be fighting very well. Now in the middle of a bout where you are pumped up and already taking shots then sure, it will be less effective. But in say a sudden self defense situation it's hard to think of a better opening shot if you are at a strength disadvantage
Grabbing the cage during a takedown: if it were allowed that would prompt strikes to the braced hand/wrist which would increase the likelihood of breaks, dislocations, and lacerations.
I must applaud you describing the UFC fighter as a "reverse doctor"
Professionally unhealthy
Zabit Magomedsharipov has been through the whole spectrum
Even the real doctor was awesome lol.
They can perform vasectomies, liver transplants, ACL grafts, and lobotomies
Always gotta get one jab in Icy Mike 😂
It was amusing and somewhat surreal seeing 3 guys whaling on another's groin with pool noodles. I genuinely think, as fellow men, they just couldn't bring themselves to hit you that hard there haha...
They should bring angry ex for proper test.
@@ShadowManceri 😂😂😂
The clown music really was the icing on this sweaty cake 🎂🍰
Surreal? Is that why me and my friends get all those weird looks at the local pool?
NOT, if you are in jackass
Enjoyed this "collab" with you @Sensei Seth. Thanks for having me! 🙏🏿💪🏿
! Awesome analysis!
Thank you kindly!
You are awesome Dr. Raynor! I actually found your channel through Garand thumb!
Hey doc, good job. Now you need to turn Seth into an Astartes
I’m glad to see the collab with some other folks who watch. I really enjoy your videos
I love how Wonderboy constantly apologized for using the illegal techniques (even though that was the purpose of the video), but Sweet T absolutely relished the task, haha.
Idk Stephen was pretty interested in the groin kick lol
@@SenseiSeth Fair point. Guys named Stephen are the worst!
@@SenseiSeth it makes sense he is a karate guy, for self defense karate they do tell you to go for the bollz if you have to. Besides you are testing yourself if you can kick precise between the legs. I think that WB with illegal moves allowed would be an assassin. But idk grapplers seem even more scary with the bites & finger snapping.
The duality of man.
@@SenseiSeth i learned more about health in this than health class
He landed 16 eye pokes with you specifically expecting and trying to defend against an eye poke. Now imagine someone not expecting it and being hit full force with a finger tip drive or a spear hand strike to the eye socket/ ocular cavity.
I don't want to imagine it.
@@aidanation562 your Mr bubz profile pic is the perfect reaction image to this comment, thank you for the (unintentional) laugh
Ah yes Jon Jones
thanks Spongebob
I came right after watching the TH-cam short ong 😂
Lol same
Lmao same
Fr
Omg me tooo😂
"Groin goblins" legit made me laugh hard. Love this huge collaboration too, freaking awesome, thank you.
My thoughts exactly lmao
Petition to name pro fighters who are notorious for groin shots "groin goblins"
Thanks SpongeBob for recommending this
Fr lmao
Awesome Sensei Seth. This was a cool collaboration, not just with marital art TH-camrs, but with Dr. Chris too. We have a lot of fun with martial arts but at the end of day these techniques are meant to harm people.
Wonder boy and co smacking your Nuts repeatedly with Pool Noodles was hilarious. Someone should crop that part and repost without context
I’ll post it on IG soon with no context, great idea lol
This is basically a list of the best moves to use to defend yourself in a street fight
No.
This might be the most disturbing video you’ve made to date while still being massively entertaining and informative.
You got my favorite youtube doctor to collab with you guys - this is a real Halloween miracle. Awesome stuff as usual.
7:45, this is probably the reason why they ban fence grab. You're much bigger and it was almost impossible for you to take him down. Imagine if they were the same size, just a moment grab can recover from any takedowns.
Ironically while it's a perfect reason to keep it, the original reason they made it illegal is different. In the early UFC the rules were a bit more lax and in one fight Tank Abbott against Paul Varelans is what made the rule change. th-cam.com/video/SgRKoHZ-J18/w-d-xo.html Here if you want to watch it yourself, can't see it very well in this but at one point Tank had Varelans up against the cage and was using the cage to rake the face of Varelans. The fight ends with Tank's knee on Varelan's face and neck, and pulling on the cage for extra leverage to sink the submission in more. He uses the cage as a weapon extensively enough the announcers are talking about it in the video.
fence grabbing should be automatic 1 point deduction. That one take down attempt that was stuffed by it could be a massive game changer and people only gets a warning
imagine him smashingon his arms trying to get him to come off - dangerous
Thanks spongebob
NO WAY
bro and i saw the same video
That scream to test out the power of oil check. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Big props to you for doing this, entertaining video as always. As a note, a lot of the eye pokes I see in UFC fights seem to be defensive accidents, that is the fighter tries to parry and accidentally pokes someone in the eye who's coming forward.
"Illegal moves" are illegal because they work too well
Not all of them. Eye poke will destroy your finger in most cases, not your enemy's eye.
No they are not. They are illegal because they leave more permanent damage compared to their effectiveness. Finishing a choke is more effective than all of the moves shown here, but it's legal because you can tap to it, and even if you don't you only go to sleep for 30 seconds.
the groin shots may not be easy to pull off but it does happen and sometimes people need a full minute to recover thats pretty impactful
I do wonder if the 12-6 elbow would be more powerful from a mount position as well. In the test you guys did, you can really sink your entire bodyweight into it, which you could not do as much while in your knees.
That would be interesting. I think the test they did was perfectly valid though because it is a decent simulation of stuffing a takedown, and I think that's the worse case because then a 12-6 elbow is really likely to land on the back of the head. I'd be curious to see what the power was like with grapevines from the mount or high mount which are both decent for keeping position while freeing up the hands.
Yes the downward elbow, goes better with body mechanics, your shoulder is meant to go up and down easier then rotating. Try the move and you’ll feel that your arms gets more stukck in the “normal” elbow position
12-6 elbows from a full mount could indeed be catastrophic. Extensive facial fractures would be possible. All around bad news.
I've heard it can be effective against a tackle aimed below the ribs.
@@ChrisRaynorMD What would a 12-6 elbow do against the kidneys or organs hit through the back
Oh sick, Dr. Chris! Awesome collab, I love that guy’s Grappler Baki breakdowns!
One thing that always gets me is in these types of tests, eye pokes are just treated like finger punches. There are so many more ways you can get someone in the eye. An eye poke doesn't require the same force as a punch to be effective, so you can still deal damage in positions where punches would not be effective (i.e. very close quarters).
Great expertise by Dr. Raynor. Loved, how entertaining he wraped the infos :)
This was an awesome video from start to finish! the additional collab with doc Chris was a very sweet cherry on top as well.
I’m here because of SpongeBob.
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8:54 the moment Sensei Seth realized he forgot the headbutt on the final edit! 😂 Thanks for all the cool videos, cheers
one of the earliest rules of the UFC was no little joint control which means individual finger breaking, pulling, etc. Bites to the neck or other squishy targets too, etc.
Dr. Chris is so dope I swear I’ve been seeing this guy everywhere
That eye poke seminar is basically what a Jon Jones fight looks like
Jon jones regular sparring in training camp
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12 to 6 elbowing is denied by one doctor, who weren't speciliased in any type of fighting, but he still was in this board that was making the rules, he told that he has seen that kind of elbowing destroy ice blocks and that kind of a force used to human head would be too dangerous.
This is a collab I never expected but much appreciated
If kicks to the balls are treated just like any other technique, - meaning set up with punches, feints,
used as part of combos - and not an "alleged instant win" (as it was shown here), - then their effects
can go pretty far. Ranging from a TKO to an opportunity window for a KO. Just imagine that beside
all the regular targets, every now and then after a 1-2 - a low kick flies intentionally full-power to the
balls. Or is getting switched into a high kick to the head. Or the other way around. Or both or whatnot.
In the early UFC it was actually legal, but was excluded quickly enough. Headbutts, on the other hand -
were legal for a much longer time. And were used to a devastating effect, when some big dudes
realized that a properly applied in a ground-and-pound scenario - it's like fighting with a weapon.
Mark Kerr, a powerful and formidable wrestler of that time - was well known to put this technique to use,
while it was still legal. In addition to Mark's size, strength and grappling - he truly owned his nickname:
"The Smashing Machine". Most fighters would already be mentally defeated when he entered the cage.
I always think of that crazy tang soo do guy in one of the early ufc fights who caught his opponent in crucifix and then rained about 3 12 - 6 elbows onto him. It was really nasty.
A 12 - 6 on the back of the head is definitely dangerous! Theres also the chance of missing the head and hitting the point where the spine and the skull connect. ☠️
i laughed my ass off with this video!!!!🤣🤣🤣 also amazing collab with Dr.Chris!!👍
UFC fighters like JJ don't use eye pokes offensively but rather defensively to stop opponents from charging in and to maintain distance. They are highly effective and responsible for many victories.
Sensei Seth pausing and looking at the camera when doc said testicular rupture was as though his life flashed before his eyes lol I grew up with brothers and that is a no no lol. Overall great video guys! Love the collabs!
Maaaaaaan I have tears from laughing, there are so many gems in this video, I loved the awkward hand holding moment with wonderboy in the beginning xD !!!!!!!!
for the eye pokes, he was only trying to land those and you knew it. if you had to defend against kicks (he didn't attempt a single one) then landing them would probably be significantly easier?
i think that's closer to the point of the rule
This is awesome!! Thanks for making this Sensei Seth
Loved Dr Chris on this! Should have him on more often
My coach explained that it the 12-6 elbow was stronger because it uses more of the muscles that we use for throwing stuff, and apparently our body is quite adapted to throwing objects.
For the groin shot, as far as my knowledge goes, it's the pelvic floor the what's the real killer. The nuts hurt but to reach the pelvic floor you have to really penetrate. I would say that the noodle test didn't quite do it. I would have Wonderboy knee Sensei Seth right there tbh. (Sorry sensei Seth)
Seth is a secret master of Iron Ball Kempo
The secret is now out.
Really appreciate everybody's efforts in this video. Great job, guys
I love how UCF is branded as "real fighting" yet some of the most common tactics of real fights are banned.
It's crazy that it hasn't been that long since Seth was just some awkward dude with 1000 subs on icy Mikes channel. Props to him for grinding and really getting good at this TH-cam stuff.
Now he has one of the best martial channels on YT.
Wasn't expecting the Sensei Seth Dr. Chris crossover, but I very much appreciate it
I wouldn’t be here if spongebible told me about this
12-6 thing. Doing legal elbow you use mostly pectoralis major muscle. Doing illegal elbow you use latissimus dorsi and triceps brahii with together are much stronger than usein pec musle. Also as wonderboy said there might be little less surface on a illegal elbow, depending how you hit your legal elbow.
Nah. Mostly lats.
"The adrenaline from being attacked by three noodles to my noodle" lost it💀
Great random video on my feed. Glad to see Dr. Raynor also!! The nut shot segment had me dying. 😂😂
Remember not in early UFC. An early UFC has Ken Shammrock reallly messing up one of the gracies faces with headbutts.
The addition of Christ in this was excellent.
It's nice to get that perspective as to what the potential dangers of things are. Definitely very informative. (Also he's pretty funny so that adds to it as well)
Gotta admit. The groin shot kind of went as I expected. It sucks, but it's not world ending.
Which is why everytime I see a groin shot that a fighter uses as an opportunity for a 2 minute break I think they're just using the rest.
Most of those groin shots are usually questionable too.
Example: Wonderboy's "groin shot" on Holland
One of the fathers of MMA, Big John McCarthy explained that the reason the 12-6 elbow was made illegal was because one of the comissioners saw a Karate video where a Karateka broke several sheets of ice from the technique..... Thanks Karate.
With the 12 to 6 elbow there's a risk of damage to the spinal column if the attacker is shooting in for a takedown. Technique I was taught when an attacker shoots in for takedown it's knee to the face followed by downward elbow strike usually to the back of the neck then uppercut.
You can't fight irl
@@stormsumeet Meh, I know the difference between your and you're though.
Recovering from yesterday's groin surgery and I felt every one of those noodle slaps while watching this. 🤣
I wonder if for cage grabbing they're also worried about injuries to the fighter grabbing the cage. ik in climbing you never put your fingers in the bolts as if you fell you're at risk of degloving. it's probably not as bad with the fence but I could still see someone messing up their fingers and potentially having them degloved if a really strong wrestler tried to rip them off the fence and something got caught
In theory you could even lose a finger if it really got stuck somehow and enough force. It's definitely a part of why it's illegal
LOL KEVIN THE GROIN GOBLIN FROM BEHIND LMFAO
"loss of the testicle" cut to ad. Cliffhanger lol
Some of the ufc's rules are good & should be there. The other 80% should not have been made in the first place, let alone be still on the books today. If they would go back to the early rules & format with today's talent, it would be incredible.
Kevin Lee looks really different ever since taking a break from the ufc. Good for him!
I grew up competing in a point tournaments organization in Texas that just banned groin shots in the last five years. Prior to that, kicks to the groin were a legal point target. A cup was required equipment.These shots hurt and might require a time out, but we usually kept going. We never had a serious injury as a result. Before you say it was "just point fighting" many world champion kickboxers competed in this league. Although it is considered Medium to light contact, it was actually medium to hard contact. I've seen people get knocked out, the other person is awarded a point, and the fight continues after a medic checks them out. When we went to the groin, we intended to slow our oponent down. I saw more than one cup get cracked.
Kevin Lee is a great guy you should keep bringing him to more and more videos
I like you educational/explorational style videos! Great!
The thing with the eye poke tho is they know the opponent is trying for an eye poke so they are guarding high, if they didn't know it was coming you could drop their guard with body shots so it would be even easier than the video
King of the Streets
“Fine… I’ll do it myself…”
This is funny. And also a good test on those, "I would just... *insert thing here* to the guy" self defense videos.
The quality of your videos is definitely improving! love how you are on Colin and Samir's podcast every week with questions. Keep it up!
Always out of the box ideas in this chanel, love it. Small note, the eye poke was used on a standing situation, I think this move if it was not illegal, would be more of a use in a submission situation when eyes are in a closer reach and could reverse the situation
I couldn't think of the video where you said "why would things get worse over time?" comparing traditional and modern, so I came here cause I thought of something:
If you take evolution as a reference, the things that get worse over time are the things we use less and less frequently; use it or lose it. The next thing is a relative perception of violence; the lower the injury/death rate is, the more attention is given to any one instance of it.... (I'm skipping some steps here) The safer the world becomes, the more rules UFC will add until it becomes what karate was a few years ago.
I only heard about this recently, but I wish I was alive during the early days of MMA cause I keep hearing we'd actually be able to see Karate and Kung fu contending with and even dominating over the other styles.
I can hear Big John Mccarthy rolling his eyes about the 12 - 6 elbow from all the way down here in Australia
Some of them also do disproportionate amount of damage to the body while in the cage. Back when Some of these moves were allowed the fighters would be fine in the cage but weeks or months later some serious problems started outside of the cage later ending Some of there careers.
I got pocked in the eye many years ago when I was first training karate as a green belt, it dropped me like a stone, from the injury I got corneal cell erosion, which is basically an ulcer growing on your cornea, its a type of bacterial infection, the upshot is I nearly lost my eye ! without treatment the ulcer would have eaten a hole in my eye and once the inner eye is exposed to the outer atmosphere the eye is gone ! I needed intense treatment, anti biotics in my eye every hour on the hour for 5 days in hospital, specialist eye unit. It healed eventually but had to scare to do so, very very luckily the scare is not in the centre of my eye so it doesn't affect my vision but if it was in the centre I'm told I'd only have 20% vision in that eye. Eye pocks are very dangerous, I would say though if it was life or death stick your finger in your attackers eye, it stopped my attack instantly !!!
That sucks, good to know it healed in the end
"We added two extra groin goblins"
And now we know why Mike wasn't called for this video.
you got dr chris raynor on! love that guy
Jon Jones would score 100 eye pokes in 10 seconds
needing this for later
This list is literally me fighting bullies when I was 12 🤣
"You don't need to kick nuts."
"You just need to lightly graze nuts." - Eddie Murphy.
I think the octagon should be made of something transparent and sturdy, that would easily eliminate cage grabbing
Some type of Plastic. Then it'll really be like a wall.
@@davidcastillo4487 The problem with plastic is that it would get scratched up pretty quickly, and you wouldn't be able to see through it.
@@killersalmon4359 well I don't expect them to actually change the cages. It's probably much cheaper to just keep the cages and leave the rules. But it would be cooler if they had actual walls..... still then some fighters would find ways to throw the opponent into that hard surface. There's no perfect solution for this format of fighting. Maybe have the fighters at a sunken level box arena with padding on the walls....
The reason for it being a cage is for the benefit of spectators, not anything to do with it being the best environment for a fight.
@@MrWicked360 that’s why I said transparent, so that there’s no compromise with the spectators
Cool to see you collabing with Dr. Chris!
When Kevin was holding onto the cage, all I could think about was a little kid throwing a tantrum.
Thank you spunch bob 😩😤🙏
The lack of padding on that head gear makes it supremely vulnerable to downward elbow strikes.
I think you'd get more eye gouges if Seth didn't know that was the target.
Great vid. Didn't enjoy hearing about potential nuts damage.
Problem with the eye poke simulation is that eye poked usually happen while the person getting poked is exchanging and on the offensive, it is the defensive posture that is committing the infraction. The opposite of this video
I love when the Three Thompson brothers collaborate
This kinda video is why I subscribe to this channel,chivalrous and informative
I feel like this has been discussed a lot in the internet martial arts community, but it's cool to see. It's hard to poke eyes and kick groins, but a trained fighter is going to be a lot better at setting up and executing those techniques than someone who doesn't routinely practice sparring.
Absolutely. Even a less-than-average practitioner, yet the kind who has already learned
the concept of properly setting up kicks, - will have no problem catching an opponent
with a full-force low kick aimed at the balls.
A eye poke is a perfect first strike strategy in a street fight, not so after the first strike. A groin shot or grab is a perfect "immediate end of fight" strategy. It's situationnal tho. You don't have to purposely aim for it. It's a situational shot you instinctively do if the guy is wide open.
Nice vid. Eye pokes are primarily nasty when using a long guard with open hands.
every upload is a bomb- literally 🔥
Nice video though! made me crack up a little bit
imo cage should be replaced with plexiglass. It both solves the problem of being able to grab it or injure yourself with it while also adding an element that could be used legally in the fight, like the cords are in boxing.
There are also videos of 12-6 elbows on TH-cam. Where it be in promotions that allow them, "promotions" where maybe they fight with no rules in concrete car parks, or on the street and they do seem to hurt ppl quite badly.
The crossover king continues his journey.
Now you just need the Legal Eagle.
As for the biting part, I know one dude who got two fingers bitten CLEAN OFF by some crazy guy he fought over road rage nonsense. His pinky and ring finger completely severed. Like gone gone, bone and everything. The human jaw can do some nasty damage.
Human have surprisingly squishy parts. The ears are only connected by a thin layer of skin and flesh and anyone with decent grip strength could tear or rip them
Any man who has ever sparred with children knows the pain of being punched or kicked in the groin.
As a painter I have had stuff blown into my eyes quite often and even slightly lacerated so I'll share the most common reaction . You jerk your head away instantly as it shuts and you put your hands up to it but you can barely physically force yourself to open it , or even the other eye. . Once the eyeball itself is either cut or depressed the nervous system takes over and theres a type of spasm and a fluttering sound like you can actually hear the nerves. It's usually a good minute before you can get it to open and try to start treating it somehow. You certainly aren't going to be fighting very well. Now in the middle of a bout where you are pumped up and already taking shots then sure, it will be less effective. But in say a sudden self defense situation it's hard to think of a better opening shot if you are at a strength disadvantage
Karateka studying Pre-Med here. Awesome video man lol.
Grabbing the cage during a takedown: if it were allowed that would prompt strikes to the braced hand/wrist which would increase the likelihood of breaks, dislocations, and lacerations.