Ultralight or Traditional? Big Agnes Can't Decide.
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I own the backpack. Happy with it coming from much heavier Osprey backpacks, but it also has a few head-scratchers.
1.) Tossed the trash bag immediately. The irony of the trash bag being literal trash should not be lost on Big Agnes.
2.) Hip belt buckle design is prone to coming undone. As it slips down it will hit my pants belt buckle (low profile Arcade belt) and unclip. Typically it would pop off when taking big steps up rocks. I was able to remedy by moving my pants belt buckle off-center. Never had this issue with any of my other backpacks.
3.) Wish the mid-section had some fine-tuning adjustment, I think it would help with the slippage.
4.) Top and bottom gear straps would have been awesome. I had to make my own with shock cord and carabiners.
5.) Wish the elastic side pouches had shock cord tensioners around the rim to keep stuff secure when they aren't fully stuffed.
6.) I ordered spare buckle hardware from Big Agnes because I didn't trust the design of the buckles and I've had failures before on the trail. From emailing support to receiving the hardware took a month.
All the above being said, I got it for $50 less than the initial MSRP and it was a huge help in my journey moving to lighter and lighter carries so I can enjoy my backpacking trips more.
Continually impressed with your way to deliver and put together a video and make them consistently entertaining
I agree high quality videos/content right here
Moosejaw discount! Yeah!
Brilliant vid. Traditional all the way for me. Just think ultralight looks like a cheap roll up bin liner.
The idea of a hybrid is great!!!
I roll with a Kelty Eagle. superlight at only 11 lbs.
Oh look. It's a clone of the Osprey Levity - the bag I've been frothing about for 3 years and everyone else seems to ignore!
I haven’t used the Levity. I think it’s lighter than this isn’t it?
@@MyLifeOutdoors I have the 60 litre which comes in at 870g. There's a 45 litre that's 830g. Honestly the 60 is practically weightless in your hands.
You do "lose" out on features. It doesn't have dedicated walking pole mounts for example, but you can just stuff them down the side in a picket and under the webbing.
I say "lose", because I don't use them - it's a dump pouch, I don't need loads of straps and gadgets. I do miss a hip belt pocket though.
@@MyLifeOutdoors The key feature for me is how comfy it is. There's not much variety in back sizes though, but if you get lucky it's fantastic :)
20% that covers shipping and tax
good looking packs. great review on this.
This is a design looking for a market. It’s not ultra light and it’s not ultra comfortable……it’s not for me…..
Great video, very entertaining! It's too bad that Moosejaw is owned by Walmart.
100% off discount
So what would you recommend for a good pack of this approximate capacity? Obviously more on the lightweight/ UL side. I've looked at Gossamer gear, big Agnes, and various others and it's quite overwhelming to find one.
If you can wait for delivery I recommend Waymark packs. But they have a 12 week lead time. Second to Waymark I like Hyperlight Mountain Gear. But they are not the cheapest. I really like the vest harness on the Six Moon Designs and they are very affordable. Does that help?
Ahhhhhh! Were to begin....i desperately want big agnes to win and they just keep swinging and missing. If you were backpacking 10 years ago the copper spur was the absolute bomb. In hindsight it may go down as the best freestanding nylon tent design ever. Everyone else played off of what they built. And exactly to your point they are somewhere between hyperlight mountain gear and Gregory...absurdity expensive and feature heavy with the weight to back it up. The front pocket is an exact copy of Gregory and osprey where they insist on putting a nylon patch for nothing but style on the pocket killing its stretchiness. All anyone wants is a big stretchy pocket. Im nauseated by the extra opening....if you have a stretchy pocket u don't need access to your bag at all until you find your spot. Im never in my pack. Days food and all rain / shade /bug/ water options are on the outside. Tent is on top of the closed trashbag (its waterproof). I say all this knowing im only half right...i just came down from kearsarge pass (sierras) monday...it was pretty cool in that the pass is the most accessible pass ...great for resupply and newbys alike. So there were two types only. Jmters and weekend warriors (not unlike myself). Only about 20% looked like me. The rest were more than willing to carry a 5 lb pack stuffed to the bone with all the crap in the world hanging off...absolutely miserable red faced sweating grinding...never a smile. Probably 80%...the marketers just win and those poor souls pay.
All that BS aside..."your killing me smalls"...i dare you to force me to watch another commercial!
I think you may be a genius or just insane. TH-cam is just like boxing....neither can go on forever..they cant keep punching and you'll never be able to produce endless content. That said, in your time you're like Tommy Hearns...just punch punch punch until you kill it. Great work!
When we did the JMT we did the Mountaineers route up Whitney, and finished with some rock climbing in Yosemite. The ability to flay the pack open and get quick access to crampons, ropes, harnesses is a big plus to me. I did the AT with a lightweight pack and it was a fine choice, but I was also slamming 30+ miles a day. We averaged only about 15 on the JMT, and at that kind of pace a couple pounds extra would hardly make a difference to anyone. The real benefit of a lightweight pack is that you simply can't load it with that much gear, and ultimately it's more about the load in the bag than the bag itself.
I learned a long time ago with packs…..I’m more than willing to pay a few extra pounds for a super comfortable ride…
Hahaha. That was so real, and well said.
@@dcl97 of course...different types of hikes. It sounds like that big opening would be nice for climbing gear. I confess that I just love to obsess about getting the "perfect" kit (whatever that means) together. But it is for pretty much the same trip - sierras btwn 4 and 7 days. You have to be ready for everything weather wise, but for me it doesn't include climbing gear or fishing gear...I'm working my way up to that
So my two cents here.
I work at an outdoor retailer, which will remain nameless and we have had the prospecter in stock for a bit. While i liked the bags i never found them that awesome.
After getting the ditchrider, impassable, and Parkview I'll day those 3 are AWESOME packs.
The impassable is perfect as a single day/hiking/biking/gp bag
The ditchrider is just right to be a minimalist travel bag/heavy do everything bag.
And the Parkview is probably going to be one of the top sellers in terms of quality to price alone!
The prospecter does have its advantages, and id love of they did a ditchrider with the zippered top of the impassable(with the back opening still) but big Agnes missed an opportunity by sending out the mid size bag first while i can see a niche for it (light family camping, large check travel bag, or ultralight into bag, for those new or not ready to commit).
In the end i think they'll be awesome long term but you can see this is the first public attempt... There will be changes.
It's worth buying from Moosejaw just to get their emails lol!
I just ordered from Moosejaw yesterday! I would like a 99% discount 😉 Great video!
Oh!! And before I forget!!
Big agnes!!! We want 20% MINIMUM!!!!
10% is really a "meh!! Pathetic" not enough for me to actually go out my way and entice me to buy from you, coz really, 10% is literally a TOKEN of a resemblance of a deal!!
But 20% (minimum), now!! That would definitely definitely make me go as soon as to go snap something up from you all! As that's a REAL deal!!!
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OK - so is it frameless, or not - that’s the one point I didn’t hear you address.
It is a framed pack. Sorry I didn’t mention that.
You are killin’ it! Keep it up, great reviews and even better video quality! I’m sticking with my Chicken Tramper UL 48L but interesting to see what BA is doing.
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How is this even a question obviously a traditional pack at 3 pooooounds!!! You would have to pay me to use this brick, also your 2lb forecast for an ultralight bag is also heavy if any single item in your bag is over 1 pound your not doing it right lol
A man of limitless talents; I could watch you juggle for hours 🤣. Keep cranking out great informational videos for us!
kinda feels like you started juggling so we'd know when the sponser segment ends
The pack to me is a light pack for those who need more than what an ultralight pack can do but are still not needing a full on backpack. I think longer ultralight trips and those in grizzly 🐻 country.
I can't wrap my head around bags that weigh much more than a pound. Why? Why are people still carrying these heavy ass packs? I'm not an obsessive ultralight person, I have zero DCF in my kit. My Granite Gear Virga 2 weighs 19 oz, cost me $105 on Amazon, and is 54L so I just don't get it.
Well, it comes down to durability and the weight you are able to comfortably carry. I have a 75L bag weighing 3,5kg. I once carried 35kg (LOTS of camera gear) for 8 days. My own weight was 57kg then. It has a wood framing and is the most stable and comfortable bag I have used. Also, not everyone is a ultralighter trying to hike 30+ miles a day. Some take out their family carrying big or mulitple tents and lots of extra comfort like lots of good food and extra clothing. The whole mindset of UL hasn't really caught up the in the rest of the world except US. Here in Sweden you can't really buy good light and compact gear in the stores. It is slowly coming but everything is very expensive. For a first timer I would most likely recommend a traditional heavier bag because UL-hiking can get very uncomfortable and even dangeruous if you don't know what you are doing. But I agree, once you make the transition to UL it is hard to look back :)
External frame or bust :)
I swear I saw this video yesterday, am I going looney?
Did you? I had it on unlisted so my sponsor could see it first. Any chance you found it somehow?
@@MyLifeOutdoors thats probably it, I've had a few of my subscribers find my unlisted videos too. Maybe youtube recommends them for 1 second when its saved as unlisted showing it to a few people.
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100% off for sure
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Are we reinventing the wheel here??
Feels like the REI Flash 55 style pack. I really like these. Simple, light, but durable and comfortable.
I like my flash 45
It's "More funnerist" I like the idea of the front access, but, the zipper makes me nervous should it rain, seems ( pun intended) like a good place for water intrusion. I use a ULA Circuit and love it but I also have an Osprey Exos 58 which is ok. This looks interesting and I will be watching its progression. Thanks for the review!
#moosjawmadness 15%!! Love your videos. Keep it up. :)
Great video, as always
Really good and thorough analysis on this pack. Hopefully Big Agnes can make some improvements in further iterations of this pack and it can find a nice niche for itself. I found your channel with the Platypus filter review but stuck around for the quality reviews and other topics. Cheers!
Can you do a review on the Mountainsmith Scream 50/55? It seems to follow a similar thought with a hybrid design between traditional and ultralight but for half the price of the BA Prospect and the Waymark Gear 50.
10 %, what a joke. They already automatically give you 10 % off if you sign up for their email and your first time purchase.
Considering the weight and the absence of a frame, the Sierra Designs Flex Capacitor, which features a DAC Y-shaped frame and bottle holders on the shoulders, seems like a better choice.
Personally, I just find this pack a bit ugly.
Count how many times you bark out "but" in one video.
lol. I’d rather not.
I agree. 3lbs for a 50 liter pack doesn't cut it. My ULA Catalyst weighs 3 lbs, but it's a 65 liter pack and can carry 40ish lbs.
Would be nice to see more of the pack 🤦🏻♂️
Big Angus is always innovative with camping gear. Someone put a lot of thought into making the Prospector 50. Moosejaw , One of my favorite places , great products and at a savings.
You asked ...." Ultralight or Traditional? Big Agnes Can't Decide"
If a person had 10 pounds or less as a base weight it would be an UL pack.
Between 10 and 20 pounds a Lightweight pack.
Anything over 20 pounds would be a Traditional pack. So the pack actually covers three different weight categories. That could be confusing as to which weight category.
That waterproof zipper and pocket on the front is identical to the one on my Waymark mile and the original , the Chicken Tramper pack.
So I just got the pack, loaded it up, and it doesn't fit right. I got the right size pack, but the adjustments and the way the straps sit on my chest make this a no go. But it's a lot of odd choices that make you scratch your head. It's like it was designed by committee. It's an awkward pack to use. I agree that there are a lot of head scratching choices made with this pack. So back it goes.
100% discount is what we DESERVE, lol
Interesting products. Thanks for sharing.
I know this video is 6 months old, but if you still have this pack in your possession, are the zippers YKK? Even the water-resistant one on the front?
I do not see any YKK markings
@@MyLifeOutdoors Thanks! One final question - in your opinion, do the zippers feel smooth and reliable?
Are there videos on backpacks for skinny folk? I have no hips so any backpack just slides down and takes my pants with it!
Just noticed almost 70 k subs😁
Keep up the good work
"Ships" came at a perfect time. It replaced the word that usually falls there when you drop something. Lol!
Looks like a great pack to me. But some good critique points mentioned here. I think people can get too extreme with this dichotomy of ultralight vs traditional.
All the padding on that pack weighs more than most UL Packs. 😆
As someone who is just getting into backpacking and still buying a lot of gear, discount codes are amazing… hint hint
Interesting video and pack. This pack forces to use stuff sacks for everything if you want to use the back full pack zipper. If you use a compactor bag or other large pack liner then obviously you can remove individual items you want. In other words, if you want to use this zipper as intended you have to increase your weight. BTW, there was no mention of frame (and type). It doesn't look frameless, but maybe?
I don't get why they didn't just put the logo patch near the top of the main body and include a full mesh front pouch lol that wierd fabric section on it kills any usability
Excellent Review! Thank you. ❤
What is your current favorite ultralite pack?
Looked that pack over at LL Bean Flagship store. Determined it's not for me. The product killers for me was the weight and the lack of stretch on the front pocket. I loved that it was roll top and didn't have a brain. The brains on my current packs have become annoying and get in the way. Especially if I put anything that has any weight in it.
Moosejaw will forever be imprinted in my brain lol 😄
I like big Agnes and this is the best looking backpack ever but nothing beats the hybrid perfection which is the Flash 55.
Where did you get the converter tube??
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This reminds me a lot of the Mountainsmith Scream 55 in terms of features and even its weight class... though I don't think MS makes that anymore.
Once you learn to juggle, 3 of anything is never the same ever again.
How is a water bladder hard to fill. They do bottle filler head. Filter water into bottle attach bottle to fill head squeeze done.
I almost asked you about this backpack when we saw you on the trail! Thanks for another great and honest review!
Zeus! Ah-ah! Saviour or the ultralight!
I actually am going to check this out. I’m a 6’0 female and I tend to like more traditional but it’s so hard to find a roll too like that with the mesh pockets that won’t rip easily on a traditional pack big enough for me. I’m about to stalk your channel to see if you’re about as tall as I am 😂
Please do continue to stalk the channel. That’s good for the algorithm. But to save you the trouble I’m 5’7” I have long torso at 20 inches but used a med pack. The large was too long for my long torso.
You could also look at the Outdoor Vitals Shadowlight. The features are somewhat different, but it is a roll top with good pockets, including hipbelt pockets. Weighs 2 lbs, can carry 30+. Good luck with your search!
Thanks again for reviewing something outside of the mainstream. Now I’m looking at BA’s pack lineup. It looks like the same basic design from day pack to heavy hauler with very similar features. Makes me wonder if that contributed to the confusing end product. Approach, climbing, hiking, EDC, travel. Stir it all together.
One recommendation for future reviews: include models across genders and point out specific differences. Even better if you could bring in cross-gender perspectives as well. BackpackingTV just did this and it was fantastic.
I love BA gear. Wish I could get that pack in the UK at a reasonable price
I'd say 25% off would be cool
Big Agnes is Ultra Traditional.
Hello Steve your videos are great, I’m wondering if you gained your on screen skills from the years you appeared as the son in American Dad 👍
It was my first big break
love the bloopers! great video!
I must the one of the few that likes the Trashcan. Hiking/backpacking with my kids it gives a good place to put messy diapers oddly enough. Of the few videos I’ve seen on this pack, it seems the big miss is the hip belt sizing.
Clean trash sure. But dirty trash is going in a ziplock anyway.
Yeah the hip belt needs more sizing options. Thanks as always
My favorite trash can is an loksak. Its so good im finally actually packing out my poo paper. Its so effective i can have it in my bearcan with zero smell. Highly recommended
20%is pretty standard
Great video, and nice juggling lmao. Any chance of an osprey exos 2022 model review?
Thanks. I can look into it.
Wwhhoooo!!!! Damn!!! Another amazing thorough, insightful and damn thoughtful video from you!!! I love it!!!
Hahaha and I love how you are cussing BA out by saying "this stupid little trash bags..." lmao!! Had me laughing with enjoyment! 😂😂😅😅
Damn can you get any better??
Love the thorough, thought provoking and really impartial dissecting of this bag!!
It is so awesome that BA have finally made a bag!! The more I am hearing and watching stuff about BA, the more I am respecting them as a company!!! And this bad is not a bad looking bag,
Ermm.... a bit male exclusive bag, what about us ladies who also live to hike? Is there a colour design for us??
Over all not a bad bag!!!
There is a women’s version called the Garnet. The colors are different, although not sure if they match the demographic.
**SHIPS!**😂😂
Have you used the granite gear Blaze 60? Also a 3 lb pack.
I have not. But I’d like to
@@MyLifeOutdoors It is rated to 50 lbs. I can say that it comfortably carries 30 lbs for me.
MooseJaw should give MyLifeOutdoors viewers a One-Time 25% off discount, and an all the time 10% off discount. Then I'd probably go there instead of their competition. But frankly right now, they seem to be just like the rest of their competition.
Who’s their competition?
@@markcummings6856 I'm not going to list the dozen or more other online backpacking/outdoor retailers out there xD
@@TheMidnightModder A dozen, ok.
That’s easy. Lol
I have never bought a thing from them.
Moose Jaw discount 15-20% off would be awesome