Here's my take on the Rudolph situation: The main reason he has been relegated to 3rd string until now is because of the draft status of this QB room. Mitch was the 2nd overall pick of his draft class. Kenny was the only QB taken in the 1st round of his draft class. Mason was a 3rd round pick in 2018. Unless you get a chance to prove otherwise, your draft history will dictate the rest of your career in the NFL and that is especially true for QBs. Because Pickett got hurt and Trubisky sucked as his backup, Rudolph just got another chance.
Agreed. Look at Purdy: 3rd string, got his chance, and now thriving. The NFL is brutal. There is a lot of luck involved too in getting to the starting lineup and it is about taking chances. Steelers were just stuck in a competitive AFC North this year and didn't click. It can't click every year. A good evaluation needed, a solid draft ahead to fix both lines of scrimmage and take the best available defensive players to keep on top of top notch offenses. I say keep the same QB room and replace Mitch with a rookie to learn. Keep it competitive. Tomlin knows what he is doing.
I believe this is closer to the truth. But there is no way he said it. Not surrounded by 20 other guys who could have possibly heard it also. He's not that stupid. Nobody is. @@jtfike
If you take Tomlin's last 8 years: 0 playoff wins. That's half his time as a coach! Now imagine if that was any other coaches first 8 years. They probably get fired, right?
I would rather have Tomlin at the helm, ensuring the team remains competitive every year, than explore other options that might leave us out of contention with no shot. Tomlin has only coached one game where the Steelers were already out of contention, and that level of consistency is rare over such an extended period.
People be hyperbolizing stats. Hardly any team is out of playoff contention if they are above .500 every year, so it's the same thing as the non-losing streak. But that's all it is, BS. Doesn't mean anything if you get blown out in the first round.
And Tomlin gets more excuses handed to him by the media even more than Leflop !! For 2 so called greats there’s a lot of losing going on when it’s supposed to count !!
Great so Tomlin is the Jimmy G of coaches. Yes you could do a hell of a lot worse. The flip side is you could do a hell of a lot better. Maybe someone can develop talent and not mistake loyalty for pig-headed or stupidity.
I hate how many Steelers fans seemingly are content with not getting even close to the Super Bowl anymore. Let’s keep Tomlin forever. Sure no more Super Bowl’s but no losing seasons either. It’ll be great. When did our fan base become such losers
No one who wants tomlin to stay is content with just being in the playoffs. those with common sense understand that without this man keeping things together for this organization theres no shot in hell this team in the state it is in has a chance of winning. We won a superbowl back in 2009. Since then we have had injuries, people get old and retire, and just plain old knuckleheads. The problem with the steelers org is not solely tomlin. He could for sure secure a betetter secondary defense on a regular FOR SURE!!!!!! but to say hes the reason we have been mediocre when weve gone through a whole period of having a sh!tty secondary.... Not paying the talent we do have to stay and perform.....Players coming in and acting a fool so we have to let them go.....Players not taking a step back so younger talent can develop..... We have been LUCKY to consistently see the playoffs most of the years we have been around and mike tomlin is a primary reason why that luck turned into success.
I'm telling you Rich no matter how much our fans complain, they know in their soul they would rather have Tomlin and stay competitive every year than be out of it with no shot with someone else. Tomlin has only coached one game where the Steelers were already out of contention. You simply don't see that over such a long period of time. We ought to be grateful for it. Keep preaching the truth!
No playoff wins in 7 yrs. 8 wins after this season. Look at Andy Reid. He overstayed in Philly. Sane with Tomlin. Tomlin needs to move on to regain his fire
3-7 in the postseason since 2011 and 2 of those Ws were in 2016. So since 2011, he has won a playoff game in 2 out of 12 seasons and has had fewer than 10 wins more times than not.
@@ThomasJeffersonIII playing only one game out of playoff contention is good. especially considering the rosters of the early 2010s and 2020s. there are teams that have done far worse
@@173jaSon371 i really don't care about x wins in y seasons. there are teams that havent won a playoff game since the turn of the century who barely see the playoffs. i'll take the long term consistency
Rudolph has 3 games in a row over 112 qb rating! Pickett has only done it 1 time in 2 years, and Tribusky has never reached that as a Steeler. Its been since Ben we had a qb do that. lettsss goooo!
Just have to say in Detroit, the saying is No Block Ño Rock, and that is true for all the receivers and backs. Tomlin wants that. Prima Donna's get headlines Teams Win
This obsession Rich has for Mike Tomlin is getting weird. When I was a young guy, I had a major crush on women like Olivia Newton-John, Lindsay Wagner and Valerie Bertinelli. But this man crush Eisen has for Tomlin is on another level! 😂
mediocrity isn't something to be heralded. at minimum pittsburgh needs to produce a legitimate contender very soon. not a .500 club that will lose by 30 in the wildcard.
Passionate Steeler fans want championships not hearing about a coach who always goes over .500. Until you understand that you will continue to have your inexplicable msn crush on Teflon Tomlin
Rich call the Jets owner and tell him to trade for Mike Tomlin and you can have a winning record (10-7, 9-8 one and done) every year and play golf ⛳️ at Pebble Beach every year in January! In Pittsburgh, it's about FEBRUARY FOOTBALL!! PLEASE GO GET HIM!
Rich finally is starting to understand, it isn't all about winning super bowls, it is at least going deep into the playoffs and maybe an AFC Championship once in a while is what Steelers fans expect. Not an occasional playoff game where we go one and done. The last time we made any deep run and also played in an AFC Championship game was 2016. The year Big Ben had to call out the players AND coaches after going 4-5 losing to the Cowboys, and that was the catalyst of winning out the last 7 games. Anyone realize Ben did it again this year too with the "lost the Steelers way?" Now look at us.
Except, we've had multiple players confirm that, those comments aren't true. Tomlin never lost the locker room, Tomlin never didn't have the locker room keeping the Steelers way. It's the individual players not executing. Mason is inserted and uses his vet ability to make the offense cohesive. Our defense has little been held together by duct tape and glue and spit. Yet it's a top defense. It can still get pressure and generate TOs without Taj there.
@@2centswanted113 Yeah, sure. As if current players would ever say that. However, it's on record Ben did say it, and a sure bet HOF QB w/2 SB wins holds more weight. Don't forget Bradshaw's assessment. Cheerleader
@@mc1993 Bradshaw isn't part of the team and wasn't a good teammate when he was in Pittsburgh. He wasn't a leader of that team nor the offense so Bradshaw assessments don't mean much. Players 100 percent will call out their team and coach you just admitted to that with Ben. Mendenhall did it. Boswell did it. Your taking the word over Ben who isn't in the locker room. Over locker room leaders like Cam, TJ, Najee. Or Vets like Roberts, Pat, and Levi despite all 3 players having been on record for being vocal. Or role players like Herbig, Jaylen, Killebrew. You're even trying to give Ben credit for a podcast comment affecting the Steelers. Like you can't even see your own bias.
@@2centswanted113 U chatting with another of our many couch GM's, eh???😭 Even Kelce of the Chiefs stated that MT is one of the better coaches in the NFL.
I respect the Steelers for sticking with a coach and not chopping and changing eveey few years. The Steelers were just unfortunately stuck in a competitive AFC North with the Ravens and Browns firing, and Bengals uncovering a potential gem in Jake Browning. Steelers will be back. They just need to a solid draft and evaluate the QB situation. Keep the same QB room with maybe a rookie from the 7th round to learn. And just build those lines on either side of the ball
No... you might be... the loudest crowd might be... but the mass of steeler nation still rises with him... even if I'm wrong... those that want him gone... are idiots point blank
Excuse me..... that is now 10-7 and in the playoffs😌 speak for yourself or have you seen the Chargers, Raiders, Panthers, Commanders, Jets, and Minnesota abd other teams that keeps changing coaches. I'm good with MT👍🏾
Pittsburgh fans are so spoiled. Pittsburgh sports talk was so angry a couple weeks ago. You would think a conversation about Tomlin, even if you want to get rid of him, would start with how much you love him and all he has done. And would then move to, but the time for him to go may have come. But nah Pittsburgh fans were all "he is awful! I hate him! Get rid of him now!" Which is just wild to me. No love.
Let me get this straight. We're spoiled from winning a Super Bowl fifteen years ago. Eagles fans are way worse! They want to fire Sirianni after he was just at the Super Bowl last year! Steelers haven't won a playoff game in seven years!
@@robo1389 I'll be impressed if we actually win the Bills game. But we probably won't lol. Destination is way more important than the journey no matter how many people deny it.
@@robo1389 Relying on other teams to lose again. I see this all the time simply because we're fans and "anything can happen." Everyone is so excited and they get devastated when they lose. It's like you didn't see this coming? Expectations have been lowered over the years.
@@jamarjolly6229 Bill has a better playoff record than Tomlin. Since there's supposedly a huge difference between 8-9 and 9-8, let's apply the same logic to overall playoff record. Bill is 12-9 and Tomlin is 8-9.
Take a look at the interview Coach Tomlin did with The Pivot Podcast (TH-cam) If you haven’t already discovered The Pivot it’s well worth your time, with the possible exception of the rappers-but I say that because I’m not in tune with rap.
Tomlin has been a winner in Pittsburgh for many seasons although the results might not have been completely satisfying to the Steelers' brass. There comes a time when it's mutually beneficial to part ways amicably. Both parties can enjoy a fresh start and that alone could be very healthy.
Exactly...he keeps the ship steady but the relationship has grown very stale...it'll only be more of the same going forward, but if they actually want to go up a gear they need a fresh change. Why does Rich not get this.
Even though he hasn’t had a losing season, after a while you natural get fatigued of the same results…. For the past 5 years the Steelers have looked mid.
@@carriteDo you really think Tomlin has no say at all on roster decisions? He’s not the only decision maker for sure, but if you believe he has no say whatsoever….
I just saw the clip of Tomlin on the sidelines of the Seattle game. It showed me that he has COMPLETE faith in Rudolph. It also showed me how fos he is. He was preaching, "dont be conservative....". He did that for show. This is what Mason has been doing! Tomlin took advantage of Mason's great play to make it look like he is responsible. He is anything but, and kept Mason on the bench FAR too long. This isnt hindsight. Who didnt know that Trubisky was NOT going to get any W's? ...and people say Trubisky played 2 games but he played most of a 3rd, the Arizona game after Pickett got hurt.
I like Tomlin but this team needs to be shaken up. I've said it before -- the worst thing you can be in the NFL is consistently average. Winning 9-10 games every year just won't get it done.
The Tomlin case is interesting. That coach never has a losing season, yet never wins anything. It's the definition of ultimate boredom. But is it on him, seriously? Give him a fiery QB, and with the weapons around, this team can jump to PO regular and go far.
Everyone says this, get a QB and everything will be fixed. C and LT are suspect, Muth doesn't block like Darnell does, ILB core and secondary are terrible. Lot of things that need to be fixed before the team can regularly jump to PO
As a Browns fan I can’t believe Steelers fans are actually wanting this to happen… THEY DONT HAVE A QB! What is the man supposed to do.. I have mad respect for Tomlin
Get a QB. Quit holding onto sh** that isn't working. What's the definition of insanity? The same thing over and over expecting a different result? Same results for 4+ years now. Do something. Fix it. Get a real QB. Don't let the OC run the same crap for 3 years. Tomlin doesn't know offense. He won't call plays. Get a guy who will and is good at it? You think Bieniemy is taking Washington over Pittsburgh? I like Tomlin. I want him to stay. We have the pieces. Make the necessary changes. That's all I'm asking. Mason is not the long term answer. Mason is the answer to hopefully a playoff seed, best case a win.
Non-losing season, check. Backed into the playoffs thanks to another team doing us a favor, check. Knocked out in the first round, TBD. And everyone will forget that we lost those games with Mitch, while Mason was out in the cold, because for some reason no one in the Steelers org were able to figure out that Mitch is trash and never should have even been signed here.
Ill take a solid consistent Tomlin over the coaching carousel some other teams have. I think the Steelers could do a better but with a new coach they could also be much worse.
so, you have something like 16 seasons, majority winning seasons, a single super bowl, 8-9 in the post, if mediocrity is your goal Tomlin is your guy. Sure, positive win seasons are great for him, he can brag about how much he wins, but does it really mean anything if you arent winning rings? hey we have a single ring and sometimes make playoffs but we are just happy having positive winning seasons, super bowls are overrated
Tomlin isn't going anywhere unless he chooses to. Tomlin is fireproof and as to why is everybody's subjective opinion. This take from Rich is no surprise.
Tomlin is a good guy. Great coach?? Not in my eyes. Pitt desperately needs an offensive minded coach. I'm tired of the mediocrity in the last ten years.
I think Mason was over looked due to how he looked in 2019. He was being compared with a future Hall of Fame QB without having great weapons. He's showing what he can do with some decent weapons. For Tomlin to pull the trigger on the change, better late then never.
Ummm...no, he doesn't. Steelers fans know it's all about the personnel in the pads. Get the people who want to _and are able to_ do the work and success will follow. Matt Canada is the exception; his system was flawed beyond repair. So much so, the Steelers did something they hadn't done in over 80 (yes, I said EIGHTY) years: Fire a coach mid-season. Pittsburgh is different; always has been, always will be. They don't subscribe to the "new coach, new team" meme. Tomlin will go when he's ready...not before. Noll, seven losing seasons out of 23...retired. Cowher, three losing seasons out of 15...retired. Tomlin, no losing seasons out of 17...he will retire. Period.
@@NeilTruick Tomlin doesn't deserve to mentioned in the same sentence as Chuck Noll, who took a perennial losing franchise and turned them into a dynasty that still resounds nationally today. Tomlin is the beneficiary of what was already built in Pittsburgh and inherited a future HOF QB in Big Ben with plenty of talent up and down the roster. Tomlin had initial success but has since then mostly hovered around the playoff edges, and choked in a number of playoff games they should've won. And now it's been 6 or 7 years since the last playoff win. If that's fine with you, so be it. But don't add Tomlin into any conversation that includes Chuck Noll.
Tomlins a good coach that’s not what fans are upset about. We haven’t won a playoff game in 7 years. It’s not that we want him fired it’s we want him to play up to the standard that we have set for him. Just shut up Rich.
No, we want him fired. He's a fraud and hasn't built a damn thing. He won life's lottery by being overpaid by an ownership group that is afraid to fire him. He's mediocre at best and the Steelers will never be a respectable true winning franchise again until he's finally gone.
Everyone thinks their team could be the patriots with one or two changes, and that’s just not realistic, that whole Brady/Bill success time was an anomaly. It’s hard to win, and tomlin wins more than not.
I’ll admit, I’m a spoiled and sassy Stillers fan. I’ve been on and off the “move on from coach T” train a few times over the last 5-10 years. But man, Tomlin is a great coach. I’d be a fool to want that thrown away for whoever is next. I just want some god damn playoffs W’s….
I really like Tomlin and I don't think he gets fired this season but I bet if they don't get back to 12-5 / 11-6 and win a few playoff games they will let him go but he will quickly get another shot to head coach.
No, here's my issue with Tomlin - No playoff wins in 8yrs. Previous length was SIX YEARS as longest streak since the Merger. - Tomlin's fire is gone in his eyes. The guy isn't the same & is looking too comfortable. - Andy Reid. Reid would NOT be successful if he was still in Philly. Sometimes, a coach is really good, but has been in 1 place too long. - He liked Pickett. Pickett stinks.
Chuck Noll: Six losing seasons out of 23. Bill Cowher: Three losing seasons out of 15. Mike Tomlin: No losing seasons out of 17. I've been a citizen of Steeler Nation for 50 years. We do not fire head coaches. The head coach sets the tone. The players execute. Pickett wasn't ready, Trubisky has never been ready, and Rudolph was on time out. Big Ben spoiled us, then he stayed too long. We always did better when the WRs weren't acting out. Now that we have a reliable run game, the WRs have to understand they're not going to be leaned on as much as other teams lean on their wide outs. It's not flashy, it's not sexy...it's Steeler football. It's not supposed to be. Let's say we get rid of Tomlin (which won't and shouldn't happen). Who takes his place? Regardless of who it is, the head coach never takes a snap, never makes a tackle, never recovers a fumble. Not his job. What _IS_ his job is making sure everybody else does theirs to the best of their ability. Canada had no ability. First time in 82 years the Steelers fired _any_ coach midseason. Noll retired. Cowher retired. Tomlin will retire. That's the Steeler way.
@@NeilTruick Pickett stinks & Tomlin liked him. Pickett's ceiling is Daniel Jones. EIGHT SEASONS without a playoff victory. EIGHT SEASONS!! The Steelers org has done an amazing job of finding coordinators that are ready. It's time.
Loses every year to the lowest tiered teams in the league.A lot of them home games. Terrible at QB evaluation and development. Clock management is aweful. Challenges win ratio Aweful. Timeouts usage. Head scratching to say the least. Super slow to make changes in personel. Talk about beating a dead horse. Bringing back Canada and Trubisky? Stuck on suck. Listen, I like Mike. The problem I have is that the Head Coach is supposed to put you in the best position to win. I’ve seen his game analytics that put them in worse positions repeatedly. Nonsensical. Mediocrity is not my flavor. Also, when your offense goes 3 and out repeatedly the defense becomes vulnerable to injuries. Just my 2 cents.
You keep giving Tonkin CPR when I think he is finally going to be replaced, so I now have to root for a Michigan lose and your Jets to never make the playoffs again. Sorry Rich, it’s your fault.
It’s time for mediocre Mike to pack it up. There’s no winning record in 10 years. Tomlin the so called defensive mastermind has gotten blown out in the last 5 playoff appearances… Making scrub quarterbacks look like Brady… Tebow and Bortles for starters in the Dam playoffs !!
Ohh my God, this is a Mikey T channel, well first off for all those that say keep Mikey T and remain competitive, bullshit to that, he's been there, and the rap sheet reveals that no this individual can't give you any more than he has been giving for the last 17 years. Hey Mikey T, thanks for next to nothing, but time to go, maybe some other team will show mild interest in your uncanny ability to break 500 year after year after year after year. For god sake Roonies, think of the Steelers fans for a change.
Here's my take on the Rudolph situation: The main reason he has been relegated to 3rd string until now is because of the draft status of this QB room. Mitch was the 2nd overall pick of his draft class. Kenny was the only QB taken in the 1st round of his draft class. Mason was a 3rd round pick in 2018. Unless you get a chance to prove otherwise, your draft history will dictate the rest of your career in the NFL and that is especially true for QBs. Because Pickett got hurt and Trubisky sucked as his backup, Rudolph just got another chance.
Agreed. Look at Purdy: 3rd string, got his chance, and now thriving. The NFL is brutal. There is a lot of luck involved too in getting to the starting lineup and it is about taking chances. Steelers were just stuck in a competitive AFC North this year and didn't click. It can't click every year. A good evaluation needed, a solid draft ahead to fix both lines of scrimmage and take the best available defensive players to keep on top of top notch offenses. I say keep the same QB room and replace Mitch with a rookie to learn. Keep it competitive. Tomlin knows what he is doing.
Different take. Mason got bashed on the helmet and someone falsely accused him of being racist. Tomlin believed the fake news.
I believe this is closer to the truth. But there is no way he said it. Not surrounded by 20 other guys who could have possibly heard it also. He's not that stupid. Nobody is. @@jtfike
I have wanted Tomlin fired for years and still do
Since 2017 I’m tired of this hamster wheel 😢
They ain't firing him... you should probably just head out
If you take Tomlin's last 8 years: 0 playoff wins. That's half his time as a coach! Now imagine if that was any other coaches first 8 years. They probably get fired, right?
Absolutely. The fact Mike Tomlin is still employed by the Steelers is disgraceful.
He had the 3B s. And no SB
3-5 in playoffs last 8 years.
@@rubberboobsliquor2962 You mean 0-4 with multiple misses?
@@thequeen901 I’m sorry, do you know what year it is?? Or how to subtract?
I would rather have Tomlin at the helm, ensuring the team remains competitive every year, than explore other options that might leave us out of contention with no shot. Tomlin has only coached one game where the Steelers were already out of contention, and that level of consistency is rare over such an extended period.
Mediocrity is loved in Pittsburgh
@@laflamablanca9161so many mediocre superbowls
People be hyperbolizing stats. Hardly any team is out of playoff contention if they are above .500 every year, so it's the same thing as the non-losing streak. But that's all it is, BS. Doesn't mean anything if you get blown out in the first round.
@@lionelreyna he is a bungle fan. Don’t worry bout him.
@@lionelreyna y’all wasted watt
He's the NFL's version of Doc Rivers
He’s better than doc
More like a Popovich
MT is my coach but that 💩 was 🤭😭
And Tomlin gets more excuses handed to him by the media even more than Leflop !!
For 2 so called greats there’s a lot of losing going on when it’s supposed to count !!
Great so Tomlin is the Jimmy G of coaches. Yes you could do a hell of a lot worse. The flip side is you could do a hell of a lot better. Maybe someone can develop talent and not mistake loyalty for pig-headed or stupidity.
I hate how many Steelers fans seemingly are content with not getting even close to the Super Bowl anymore. Let’s keep Tomlin forever. Sure no more Super Bowl’s but no losing seasons either. It’ll be great. When did our fan base become such losers
No one who wants tomlin to stay is content with just being in the playoffs. those with common sense understand that without this man keeping things together for this organization theres no shot in hell this team in the state it is in has a chance of winning. We won a superbowl back in 2009. Since then we have had injuries, people get old and retire, and just plain old knuckleheads. The problem with the steelers org is not solely tomlin. He could for sure secure a betetter secondary defense on a regular FOR SURE!!!!!!
but to say hes the reason we have been mediocre when weve gone through a whole period of having a sh!tty secondary.... Not paying the talent we do have to stay and perform.....Players coming in and acting a fool so we have to let them go.....Players not taking a step back so younger talent can develop..... We have been LUCKY to consistently see the playoffs most of the years we have been around and mike tomlin is a primary reason why that luck turned into success.
I'm telling you Rich no matter how much our fans complain, they know in their soul they would rather have Tomlin and stay competitive every year than be out of it with no shot with someone else. Tomlin has only coached one game where the Steelers were already out of contention. You simply don't see that over such a long period of time. We ought to be grateful for it. Keep preaching the truth!
No playoff wins in 7 yrs. 8 wins after this season.
Look at Andy Reid. He overstayed in Philly. Sane with Tomlin.
Tomlin needs to move on to regain his fire
3-7 in the postseason since 2011 and 2 of those Ws were in 2016. So since 2011, he has won a playoff game in 2 out of 12 seasons and has had fewer than 10 wins more times than not.
@@jeffkadlec8264 andy reid lost 12 games his last year in philly. tomlin hasnt gotten close to losing that many. its a false comparison.
@@ThomasJeffersonIII playing only one game out of playoff contention is good. especially considering the rosters of the early 2010s and 2020s. there are teams that have done far worse
@@173jaSon371 i really don't care about x wins in y seasons. there are teams that havent won a playoff game since the turn of the century who barely see the playoffs. i'll take the long term consistency
Rudolph has 3 games in a row over 112 qb rating!
Pickett has only done it 1 time in 2 years, and Tribusky has never reached that as a Steeler. Its been since Ben we had a qb do that.
lettsss goooo!
Just have to say in Detroit, the saying is No Block Ño Rock, and that is true for all the receivers and backs. Tomlin wants that. Prima Donna's get headlines Teams Win
This obsession Rich has for Mike Tomlin is getting weird. When I was a young guy, I had a major crush on women like Olivia Newton-John, Lindsay Wagner and Valerie Bertinelli. But this man crush Eisen has for Tomlin is on another level! 😂
Damn, you're showing your age (Olivia N-J ?!?). That said, you're right, Rich is developing a weird obsession about Tomlin.
So now you’re into dudes?
It’s not weird at all. He is responding to yinzers who come from a poor education.
Mannnnnn....... I thought I was old😂 Olivia Newton John???? GREASE😬🤦🏾♂️
mediocrity isn't something to be heralded. at minimum pittsburgh needs to produce a legitimate contender very soon. not a .500 club that will lose by 30 in the wildcard.
Passionate Steeler fans want championships not hearing about a coach who always goes over .500.
Until you understand that you will continue to have your inexplicable msn crush on Teflon Tomlin
It’s called PANDERING.
Look it up.
Rich call the Jets owner and tell him to trade for Mike Tomlin and you can have a winning record (10-7, 9-8 one and done) every year and play golf ⛳️ at Pebble Beach every year in January! In Pittsburgh, it's about FEBRUARY FOOTBALL!! PLEASE GO GET HIM!
In my opinion if the steelers don't win a playoff game they should fire Mike Tomlin.
If they miss the playoffs, they should fire mike Tomlin.
Rich finally is starting to understand, it isn't all about winning super bowls, it is at least going deep into the playoffs and maybe an AFC Championship once in a while is what Steelers fans expect. Not an occasional playoff game where we go one and done. The last time we made any deep run and also played in an AFC Championship game was 2016. The year Big Ben had to call out the players AND coaches after going 4-5 losing to the Cowboys, and that was the catalyst of winning out the last 7 games. Anyone realize Ben did it again this year too with the "lost the Steelers way?" Now look at us.
Except, we've had multiple players confirm that, those comments aren't true. Tomlin never lost the locker room, Tomlin never didn't have the locker room keeping the Steelers way. It's the individual players not executing. Mason is inserted and uses his vet ability to make the offense cohesive.
Our defense has little been held together by duct tape and glue and spit. Yet it's a top defense. It can still get pressure and generate TOs without Taj there.
@@2centswanted113 Yeah, sure. As if current players would ever say that. However, it's on record Ben did say it, and a sure bet HOF QB w/2 SB wins holds more weight. Don't forget Bradshaw's assessment. Cheerleader
@@mc1993 Bradshaw isn't part of the team and wasn't a good teammate when he was in Pittsburgh. He wasn't a leader of that team nor the offense so Bradshaw assessments don't mean much. Players 100 percent will call out their team and coach you just admitted to that with Ben. Mendenhall did it. Boswell did it. Your taking the word over Ben who isn't in the locker room. Over locker room leaders like Cam, TJ, Najee. Or Vets like Roberts, Pat, and Levi despite all 3 players having been on record for being vocal. Or role players like Herbig, Jaylen, Killebrew. You're even trying to give Ben credit for a podcast comment affecting the Steelers. Like you can't even see your own bias.
@@2centswanted113 OK bud. Dream on with whatever excuse you need for you do you.
@@2centswanted113 U chatting with another of our many couch GM's, eh???😭 Even Kelce of the Chiefs stated that MT is one of the better coaches in the NFL.
I respect the Steelers for sticking with a coach and not chopping and changing eveey few years. The Steelers were just unfortunately stuck in a competitive AFC North with the Ravens and Browns firing, and Bengals uncovering a potential gem in Jake Browning. Steelers will be back. They just need to a solid draft and evaluate the QB situation. Keep the same QB room with maybe a rookie from the 7th round to learn. And just build those lines on either side of the ball
Well, don't keep the "same" QB room. They're not going to have Mitch Trubisky in that room next year.
Mitch is going to yhe XFL next year🤞🏾😅
Cowboys fan here- I 100% agree with Rich’s take on Tomlin. Any team would be lucky to have him.
Rich. Steelers fan are tired of mediocre Mike we expect playoffs and Superbowl not 9-9 seasons
No... you might be... the loudest crowd might be... but the mass of steeler nation still rises with him... even if I'm wrong... those that want him gone... are idiots point blank
Excuse me..... that is now 10-7 and in the playoffs😌 speak for yourself or have you seen the Chargers, Raiders, Panthers, Commanders, Jets, and Minnesota abd other teams that keeps changing coaches. I'm good with MT👍🏾
Pittsburgh fans are so spoiled. Pittsburgh sports talk was so angry a couple weeks ago. You would think a conversation about Tomlin, even if you want to get rid of him, would start with how much you love him and all he has done. And would then move to, but the time for him to go may have come.
But nah Pittsburgh fans were all "he is awful! I hate him! Get rid of him now!" Which is just wild to me. No love.
Let me get this straight. We're spoiled from winning a Super Bowl fifteen years ago. Eagles fans are way worse! They want to fire Sirianni after he was just at the Super Bowl last year! Steelers haven't won a playoff game in seven years!
@@kobecoleman5882 Sooooo.....Just keep on living😂😂😂
@@robo1389 I'll be impressed if we actually win the Bills game. But we probably won't lol. Destination is way more important than the journey no matter how many people deny it.
@@kobecoleman5882 I will be too but they already impressed me by making it to the playoffs.
@@robo1389 Relying on other teams to lose again. I see this all the time simply because we're fans and "anything can happen." Everyone is so excited and they get devastated when they lose. It's like you didn't see this coming? Expectations have been lowered over the years.
Tomlin has done less with more than any NFL coach since Schottenheimer.
thats stupid, he had ben, ab and leveon so stop it.
And all of them played exactly 3 playoff games together out of 7 games
Rich Kotite: "8-8 is great!"
Everyone: What a bad coach!
Mike Tomlin: 9 wins every year
Everyone: What an unbelievable coach!
9 - 7 with the 27th best offense, 3 starting quarterbacks, and no offensive coordinator. But yeah, he's a bad coach 🙄
@@montychambliss6254 Well why does he have all that? It's because they've been a horrible organization since Cowher left. The Steelers blow!
@@DavidAdarmases12 bill and Tomlin record damn near identical what are you talking about 😂😂😂 and he's not 9 wins every yr.
@@jamarjolly6229 Bill has a better playoff record than Tomlin. Since there's supposedly a huge difference between 8-9 and 9-8, let's apply the same logic to overall playoff record. Bill is 12-9 and Tomlin is 8-9.
@@kobecoleman5882 and both only have 1 SB win at the end
My mans 🖤💛💯
Take a look at the interview Coach Tomlin did with The Pivot Podcast (TH-cam)
If you haven’t already discovered The Pivot it’s well worth your time, with the possible exception of the rappers-but I say that because I’m not in tune with rap.
Tomlin has been a winner in Pittsburgh for many seasons although the results might not have been completely satisfying to the Steelers' brass. There comes a time when it's mutually beneficial to part ways amicably. Both parties can enjoy a fresh start and that alone could be very healthy.
Exactly...he keeps the ship steady but the relationship has grown very stale...it'll only be more of the same going forward, but if they actually want to go up a gear they need a fresh change. Why does Rich not get this.
Even though he hasn’t had a losing season, after a while you natural get fatigued of the same results…. For the past 5 years the Steelers have looked mid.
When have they had better than a "mid" roster during that period?
@@carriteDo you really think Tomlin has no say at all on roster decisions? He’s not the only decision maker for sure, but if you believe he has no say whatsoever….
I just saw the clip of Tomlin on the sidelines of the Seattle game. It showed me that he has COMPLETE faith in Rudolph. It also showed me how fos he is. He was preaching, "dont be conservative....". He did that for show. This is what Mason has been doing! Tomlin took advantage of Mason's great play to make it look like he is responsible. He is anything but, and kept Mason on the bench FAR too long. This isnt hindsight. Who didnt know that Trubisky was NOT going to get any W's? ...and people say Trubisky played 2 games but he played most of a 3rd, the Arizona game after Pickett got hurt.
As a PA native pls don’t lump me in with these other people 🖤💛🖤💛
The fans who want Tomlin gone are fake fans. They can take their sorry asses elsewhere
Not a fake fan. Been rooting for Pitt since just before Terry Bradshaw arrived in 1970. Tomlin needs to go.
You like losing back to back to two 2-10 teams at home? A good coach would have benched Trubisky before that debacle unfolded.
Mike Tomlin's not an easy dude to disrespect.
the grass isn't always greener on the other side. don't know what you got till its gone. how many more clichés or 80's rock ballads can we apply?
I like Tomlin but this team needs to be shaken up. I've said it before -- the worst thing you can be in the NFL is consistently average. Winning 9-10 games every year just won't get it done.
The Tomlin case is interesting. That coach never has a losing season, yet never wins anything. It's the definition of ultimate boredom. But is it on him, seriously? Give him a fiery QB, and with the weapons around, this team can jump to PO regular and go far.
Everyone says this, get a QB and everything will be fixed. C and LT are suspect, Muth doesn't block like Darnell does, ILB core and secondary are terrible. Lot of things that need to be fixed before the team can regularly jump to PO
You mean like he did with a QB, WR and RB?
Tomlin had all those intangibles and squandered it !
He's going to be back folks
Change for the sake of change is not a winning strategy.
As a Browns fan I can’t believe Steelers fans are actually wanting this to happen… THEY DONT HAVE A QB! What is the man supposed to do.. I have mad respect for Tomlin
Get a QB. Quit holding onto sh** that isn't working.
What's the definition of insanity? The same thing over and over expecting a different result?
Same results for 4+ years now.
Do something. Fix it. Get a real QB. Don't let the OC run the same crap for 3 years.
Tomlin doesn't know offense. He won't call plays. Get a guy who will and is good at it? You think Bieniemy is taking Washington over Pittsburgh?
I like Tomlin. I want him to stay.
We have the pieces. Make the necessary changes. That's all I'm asking. Mason is not the long term answer. Mason is the answer to hopefully a playoff seed, best case a win.
As a lifelong Steelers fan I can’t agree more.
The only thing wrong with the Steelers is Kenny Pickett. If they let him go, it will solve a lot of problems.
And this is the time of the year where the wool is pulled over peoples eyes again…
Non-losing season, check. Backed into the playoffs thanks to another team doing us a favor, check. Knocked out in the first round, TBD. And everyone will forget that we lost those games with Mitch, while Mason was out in the cold, because for some reason no one in the Steelers org were able to figure out that Mitch is trash and never should have even been signed here.
Ill take a solid consistent Tomlin over the coaching carousel some other teams have. I think the Steelers could do a better but with a new coach they could also be much worse.
Go Browns Rich
Tomlinson is a first class guy and coach! Thank you, Rich
* Tomlin
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so, you have something like 16 seasons, majority winning seasons, a single super bowl, 8-9 in the post, if mediocrity is your goal Tomlin is your guy. Sure, positive win seasons are great for him, he can brag about how much he wins, but does it really mean anything if you arent winning rings? hey we have a single ring and sometimes make playoffs but we are just happy having positive winning seasons, super bowls are overrated
Tomlin isn't going anywhere unless he chooses to. Tomlin is fireproof and as to why is everybody's subjective opinion. This take from Rich is no surprise.
And that's why he sucks, he knows he won't be fired, so he has become complacent, and he wasn't that good to start with.
Thinks the bills will go to the sb but loves the steeler's chances..be consistent.
Tomlin is a good guy. Great coach?? Not in my eyes. Pitt desperately needs an offensive minded coach. I'm tired of the mediocrity in the last ten years.
I think Mason was over looked due to how he looked in 2019. He was being compared with a future Hall of Fame QB without having great weapons. He's showing what he can do with some decent weapons. For Tomlin to pull the trigger on the change, better late then never.
Tomlin can call my dad he is a diehard Pittsburgh's fan and Tomlin is the Coach of coaches in his opinion.
You Go Rich!! 🎉🎉
Rich has it all wrong, Steelers fans are tired of the standard being 9-8. Steelers success should North titles.
Ummm...no, he doesn't. Steelers fans know it's all about the personnel in the pads. Get the people who want to _and are able to_ do the work and success will follow. Matt Canada is the exception; his system was flawed beyond repair. So much so, the Steelers did something they hadn't done in over 80 (yes, I said EIGHTY) years: Fire a coach mid-season. Pittsburgh is different; always has been, always will be. They don't subscribe to the "new coach, new team" meme. Tomlin will go when he's ready...not before. Noll, seven losing seasons out of 23...retired. Cowher, three losing seasons out of 15...retired. Tomlin, no losing seasons out of 17...he will retire. Period.
@@NeilTruick Tomlin doesn't deserve to mentioned in the same sentence as Chuck Noll, who took a perennial losing franchise and turned them into a dynasty that still resounds nationally today. Tomlin is the beneficiary of what was already built in Pittsburgh and inherited a future HOF QB in Big Ben with plenty of talent up and down the roster. Tomlin had initial success but has since then mostly hovered around the playoff edges, and choked in a number of playoff games they should've won. And now it's been 6 or 7 years since the last playoff win. If that's fine with you, so be it. But don't add Tomlin into any conversation that includes Chuck Noll.
Tomlins a good coach that’s not what fans are upset about. We haven’t won a playoff game in 7 years. It’s not that we want him fired it’s we want him to play up to the standard that we have set for him. Just shut up Rich.
No, we want him fired. He's a fraud and hasn't built a damn thing. He won life's lottery by being overpaid by an ownership group that is afraid to fire him. He's mediocre at best and the Steelers will never be a respectable true winning franchise again until he's finally gone.
The standard that he supposedly has set for himself and his team.
Everyone thinks their team could be the patriots with one or two changes, and that’s just not realistic, that whole Brady/Bill success time was an anomaly. It’s hard to win, and tomlin wins more than not.
He's good at winning meaningless games. Meaningful games, not so much...
Sure, but Pat P hasn’t been good. Tomlin wanted Pat P over Mike Hilton…. Oof
I’ll admit, I’m a spoiled and sassy Stillers fan. I’ve been on and off the “move on from coach T” train a few times over the last 5-10 years. But man, Tomlin is a great coach. I’d be a fool to want that thrown away for whoever is next. I just want some god damn playoffs W’s….
You misspelled sassy, it's sissy just live every other Steelers fan is on this planet
Well we’re never getting those again Tomlins about as good for a playoff win as he is for a losing season
Im a STEELERS fan since74 I'm so tired of this fire Tomlin garbage.
I really like Tomlin and I don't think he gets fired this season but I bet if they don't get back to 12-5 / 11-6 and win a few playoff games they will let him go but he will quickly get another shot to head coach.
No, here's my issue with Tomlin
- No playoff wins in 8yrs. Previous length was SIX YEARS as longest streak since the Merger.
- Tomlin's fire is gone in his eyes. The guy isn't the same & is looking too comfortable.
- Andy Reid. Reid would NOT be successful if he was still in Philly. Sometimes, a coach is really good, but has been in 1 place too long.
- He liked Pickett. Pickett stinks.
Chuck Noll: Six losing seasons out of 23.
Bill Cowher: Three losing seasons out of 15.
Mike Tomlin: No losing seasons out of 17.
I've been a citizen of Steeler Nation for 50 years. We do not fire head coaches. The head coach sets the tone. The players execute. Pickett wasn't ready, Trubisky has never been ready, and Rudolph was on time out. Big Ben spoiled us, then he stayed too long. We always did better when the WRs weren't acting out. Now that we have a reliable run game, the WRs have to understand they're not going to be leaned on as much as other teams lean on their wide outs. It's not flashy, it's not sexy...it's Steeler football. It's not supposed to be.
Let's say we get rid of Tomlin (which won't and shouldn't happen). Who takes his place? Regardless of who it is, the head coach never takes a snap, never makes a tackle, never recovers a fumble. Not his job. What _IS_ his job is making sure everybody else does theirs to the best of their ability. Canada had no ability. First time in 82 years the Steelers fired _any_ coach midseason. Noll retired. Cowher retired. Tomlin will retire. That's the Steeler way.
@@NeilTruick Pickett stinks & Tomlin liked him. Pickett's ceiling is Daniel Jones.
EIGHT SEASONS without a playoff victory. EIGHT SEASONS!!
The Steelers org has done an amazing job of finding coordinators that are ready.
It's time.
@@NeilTruick What's a significant difference between 8-9 and 9-8?
The firing of their OC coinciding with the season turn around is being overlooked by more than a few folks commenting on the situation.
If Ron Rivera coached the Steelers they'd have 4 wins. That roster is mediocre at best. Don't fire Tomlin you dummies.
Loses every year to the lowest tiered teams in the league.A lot of them home games. Terrible at QB evaluation and development. Clock management is aweful. Challenges win ratio Aweful. Timeouts usage. Head scratching to say the least. Super slow to make changes in personel. Talk about beating a dead horse. Bringing back Canada and Trubisky? Stuck on suck. Listen, I like Mike. The problem I have is that the Head Coach is supposed to put you in the best position to win. I’ve seen his game analytics that put them in worse positions repeatedly. Nonsensical. Mediocrity is not my flavor. Also, when your offense goes 3 and out repeatedly the defense becomes vulnerable to injuries. Just my 2 cents.
Rick thanks for having Mike T's back. If the Steelers get rid of Mike T., who' s good enough to be next coach🤔
A rock
Tomlin is the most overrated coach on the planet. Jeez.
You keep giving Tonkin CPR when I think he is finally going to be replaced, so I now have to root for a Michigan lose and your Jets to never make the playoffs again. Sorry Rich, it’s your fault.
Who will be the Cinderella team in 2024 ?
If the Bill or Jags lose.. the Steelers walk to the AFC Championship game against Joey Footsteps Flacco.
It’s time for mediocre Mike to pack it up. There’s no winning record in 10 years. Tomlin the so called defensive mastermind has gotten blown out in the last 5 playoff appearances… Making scrub quarterbacks look like Brady…
Tebow and Bortles for starters in the Dam playoffs !!
Ohh my God, this is a Mikey T channel, well first off for all those that say keep Mikey T and remain competitive, bullshit to that, he's been there, and the rap sheet reveals that no this individual can't give you any more than he has been giving for the last 17 years. Hey Mikey T, thanks for next to nothing, but time to go, maybe some other team will show mild interest in your uncanny ability to break 500 year after year after year after year. For god sake Roonies, think of the Steelers fans for a change.
Im just glad bills won so i can watch the game not on peacock
It would've been on WPXI anyway if you're in Pittsburgh.
@@kobecoleman5882 Atlanta
Steelers fans are so lucky to have Tomlin. He's going to have Russ cooking next season.
For whatever reason the players aren't buying what Tomlin is selling. I think it's best for the team and Tomlin to go their separate ways.
Two upset victories later and something makes you say that? What makes you say that?