Watch next: How to set up your carp rod on the bank th-cam.com/video/j_NSmA2CtQQ/w-d-xo.html This info doesn't appear in the video but is taken from the Shimano website: * The 3500 reducers take 200m of 0.20 mono * The 6000 spacers take 240m of 0.35 mono * The 10000 reducers take 400m of 0.35 mono Someone pointed out that the app I reference in the video, CalcLine, isn't on the Apple store, it's an Android app. I’ve found another site that has a similar line capacity calculator that works in any browser. Head on over here and you’ll be able to run your own calcs: www.pattayafishing.net/fishing-reel-line-capacity-estimator/ In the video: 00:20 Quick unboxing 01:55 How to choose the right line reducer 03:35 Using Calcline to calculate how much line to put on 04:16 Mounting the line reducers onto the spool 05:38 Putting backing line on (Berkley Big Game) 07:45 Putting the mainline on (ESP Syncro XT Loaded)
Hi Matthew Do you put tension on the new line when you’re adding it to your spool, in the video it looks like it coming off the ESP spool freely? Thanks
the line lay is immaculate on these, very nice 👍🏼 it amazes me when i watch some videos on youtube of guys fishing and their spools are only half full of line, thats one of my pet hates
Matthew. I found the video very interesting. But difficult to fully understand. Till I read the comments and your fantastic clarification replies. Now all makes sense. Thanks a lot for all your hard work and responding to all comments 5 stars. (Again👍)
Hi Michael, thanks for the feedback, it's really nice to hear. Apologies if you found the video difficult to follow but I’m glad that you found the answers you were looking for in the comments. It’s a technical subject and it’s tricky to cover all the angles at the first attempt 😊 There are more videos on the way so we hope that you enjoy them too. Cheers, Matt.
Hi mate, thanks for your comment. I’m delighted that you found the video useful. If you liked that then you might want to check out some of our other videos. We are uploading regularly right now so they’ll be some fresh videos soon. Hope that you enjoy your new ci4’s as much as I am! Cheers, Matt.
Very clever mat👍shimano reels are simple the best mate never used anything else since 1992! But I’ve always had bait runners as they are so practical and user friendly for me rather than the front drag options reels! Appreciate your vids mat cheers Danboy👊
Hi Dan, glad you liked the video! I started with the classic Shimano bait runner reels and they are great for small waters. The modern front drag reels are lightweight and very easy to use. I don’t slacken the clutch off much anyway as I always fish semi locked up. All I have to do is wind down and gently lift into the fish and they rarely drop off. You need a really solid bankside setup to fish like this though ;) . Thanks for the support mate 👍
Hi Ian, thanks for commenting. Glad you enjoyed the video. I’ve had various Ultegras over the years. I’ve still got the original ci4 10,000 which I’ve downgraded to spod/marker reels. They are absolute work horses! I ought to treat them to a service really. With the right care these reels can last a very long time. Enjoy and may they continue to serve you well. Cheers, Matt.
So simple when you show how to fit spacers and calculate line,, it is confusing at first. Totally agree, shimanos are top, robust reels,, started with lever drags donkeys years ago when I had a boat, never looked back or trusted other makes as much, when I loose a fish it's not my reels fault , 😂😂😂 Thanks for making such easy to follow practical videos
Hi Scott, thanks again for your kind words of support. It’s great to know that you are a fellow Shimano fan. I also started with the classic small bait runner reels, then moved up to the Shimano LC’s , then the original Ultegras. I had a brief affair with Daiwa but the love didn't last and after 5 years I was back with Shimano!
Hi Kees, I’m very glad that you found the video useful. Sounds like you’ve got yourself a very serious setup there ! I hope that it catches you the carp of your dreams. Cheers, Matt.
Hi Matthew yet again great video they look very smooth I also like the spool reducers great idea also would like to thankyou for your previous rig videos as since using your technique or making rigs my catch rate is a lot higher my best on home made rigs 17lb ghost carp beautiful fish a big thanks to you keep it up thanks again regards 👍
Hi Julian, thanks again for your support! It’s great to know that the rigs are working for you and that you’ve had a new PB, congrats 👍 Keep tying to keep catching! Cheers, Matt.
Hi Michael, glad you liked the video. A friend of mine bought a set of the XTC’s and it was love at the first turn. I’ve had a set of the original ci4 10000’s for the last 5 years and they’ve been great also, but those are just special 👍
Thanks so much Mathew this is gonna help me so much when I make the purchase of 3 of these beautiful reel's! Thanks for your time and knowledge this is very much appreciated, many thanks and kind regards Marcus 🎣
Hi Marcus, thanks very much for the feedback mate it's greatly appreciated. The only thing that I'd change are the drag washers. The factory washers cause the spool to vary in tension as a fish pulls line. Apparently carbon washers solve this problem. TBH I swapped to backwinding last year as I feel this gives me better control so it's not an issue for me. Line lay is amazing and they are super smooth. Hope you love them as much as I do! Cheers, Matt.
@@matthewcollinsangler your more then welcome! Yeah a mate of mine said the same thing as you actually, I will get these for the reels when I make my order, but I always play my fish by back winding and that way save's line twist which is a plus! I've also downloaded a line app just incase but there's so much information your given away to people in there questions they have asked you it should be pretty simple! Thanks once again and have a great evening and take care 🎣
Hi Matt using the spool reducers also improves line lay, another thing that also improves line lay is using a backing line with the same or smaller diameter (if you using a lot of backing line) than the line you are putting over the top IE your main line.
Hi Mark, thanks for your comment. I hadn't thought about how the diameter of the backing line can negatively affect the quality of the line lay but when I think about you’re right, it could. I'll bear that in mind, thanks for that! Cheers, Matt.
I bought my first set of Shimano Ultegra ci4 10000s second hand and saved myself hundreds of pounds. That was 8 years ago and they are still going strong to this day.
Hi mate, thanks for commenting. Glad you like the video 😄 I don’t have a link as such. I just searched for line capacities for each difference spool size. Here’s the numbers I use for reference: 14000 holds 550m of 0.35 10000 holds 392m of 0.35 6000 holds 240m of 0.35 3500 holds 200m of 0.20 Just plug these into the line calc app. Add the known dims and run the numbers for the diameter you’re looking to load. Cheers, Matt.
Another Great Video Matt, some excellent tips as usual, those reels look awesome, I have just bought the Shimano Speed Master 14000 XTC reels, Unfortunately I couldn't afford the Ultegra's you have, but I guess the same principle you have just demonstrated will still work with my reels wont they? All the best and keep the Great videos coming. Kind Regards. Lawrence.
Hi Lawrence, thanks very much again for commenting. All Shimano reels are superb TBH. I’ve certainly never owned one that I didn't like and I’ve sold a few that I regret doing so! I’m not familiar with the specs of the speedmaster but if they come with spool spacing washers then the principles are exactly the same. The Calcline app is only available on Android. If you have an iPhone you can use this online calculator instead: www.pattayafishing.net/fishing-reel-line-capacity-estimator/ Cheers, Matt.
Hi Matt, great video. I have bought a pair of Ultegra ci4-5500 and ESP syncro xt 15lb (0.37mm) on a 1000m spool. What’s the line capacity of the 3500 & 4500 line reducers it comes with? I know the reel holds 0.35mm @ 290m so 0.37mm I believe converts to 259m which I make 247 fully turns of the reel (105cm line retrieve). Thanks Jonathan
Hi Jonathan, the 3500 spacers should hold 200m of 0.20 and the 4500 spencers hold 220m of 0.35. If the 5500 states 290m of 0.35 then yes that converts to 259m of 0.37 and 259m is 247 turns at 105 cm so yeah your maths is spot on mate 👍
@@matthewcollinsangler thanks so 3500 spacer pointless using my but could do; - 2 x spools @ 259m (247 full turns of reel) - 4500 spacers - 2 x spools @ 197m (188 full turns of reel). It is only a small lake fishing 60 - 90m so two spare spools at 197m does not seem silly. Agree?
Great video very informative!! Im fishing mostly small waters at the moment but do like to travel and occasionally will fish bigger waters.. I've got the old green shimano big baitrunner long cast at the moment and I find them a bit big now I've upgraded my rods to free spirit s lite 3.25 tc.. Do you think the ultegra are a good all round reel and was wondering how they would go with my new rods.. Cheers
Hi mate, thanks for commenting and I’m glad that you liked the video! I also had a set of the old LC’s classic carp winches but they weigh 1kg each as you know lol. At the minute my 14000 XTC’s are sat on a set of 9ft Nash Dwarfs which weigh nothing. On paper you’d say that the reels are too large for the rods but they actually work great so I’d have no issues recommending them for your Free spirit rods. Enjoy, Matt.
I actually found out their is a really easy way to calculate exactly how many reel turns it takes to spool on the line that you want by using a calculator on the internet and some easy math. Check by using the calculator on the internet how much line (of your desired mm) your reel can maximum hold (in meters), you will get a number of meters that represents the lenght of line that reel can hold with the diameter of line that you desire. Now by multiplying that number by 100x if you are calculating meters and 36x if you are calculating yards you will get the lenght in cm or inches respectively The final step is just to take the amount of line that you just converted into cm/inches and devide this with your gear ratio, which is also in cm (most of the time for me anyways). Otherwise devide the amount of inches of your gear ratio. This number is roughly the amount of turns it takes to put on the amount of line(mm) onto the reel you want. The most easy example of this I can give is when we pretend the gear ratio of a reel is say 90cm per turn and can hold 320m of 0.30mm mono. I want to put on 1oo meters of line backing (which I calculated beforehand with the 0.30mm etc), that would be 100meters of line, convert that to 100m/100=10.000cm of line. Finally take the 10.000cm and devide by 90cm (gear ratio) and you'll get 111.11111 full cirlcle handle turns. So this means it takes roughly 111/112 turns to put on 100m of 0.30mm mono onto this reel. I hope this example makes it a bit more clearer, since explaining things in english isn't my strong suit haha The best thing of this is that it is especially usefull when you want 2 different lines in diameters and/or when you want a backing of some sort on your reels. The other reason I wanted to tell it like this is that I am from the Netherlands and I could'nt find any line calc app of any sort on the app store, so I just used the internet for this. Oh and when you want to top of the reel with braid, use the braid calculations (mm) instead of the mono, since it should be a little bit shorter then the calculations with the mono becasue of the lip of the reelspool even though you should always keep checking the line lay when you enter the final stages of spooling up.
Hi Yordi, wow. I’m an engineer and you’ve fried my brain a bit! The Calc line app is only available for Android. We didn't know this when we made the video! Sorry. What you can use also is this site www.pattayafishing.net/fishing-reel-line-capacity-estimator/. This does all the maths for you the same as calc line. The number of metres of line retrieved by each turn is clearly stated on the box of any reel so it’s easy to find and less maths. Hope that helps. Cheers, Matt.
@@matthewcollinsangler Hi Matt, yes I know its a bit blurry I’m sorry haha! But what I actually was saying is using that exact site to figure out how much meters you can put on and using a simple trick by deviding that number of the site (in cm) by your gear ratio in cm. That would be roughly how many turns of your reel it litterally takes. So hopefully this is a bit more clear and you can do this in inches to, just make sure you multiply by 100 if you are using meters and 36 if you are using yards, its important for them to be in the same decimal for the formula to work.
Hi Lee, I've had a play with a few XTDs since they were released. They offer exceptional value for money but there is definitely a difference in build quality when compared to the ci4 XTCs. The XTCs are stiffer, smoother and lighter and if you're serious about your fishing and go often enough, then I believe they are worth the extra cost. They're not going to catch you more carp though and if money is tight then I would rather spend the savings on hooks and bait. Cheers, Matt
Hi Matt, great vid & very helpful. Just wondering if you could share some info on the Calcline app? Trying to find it on the app store or online and having no joy. By the sounds of it i think with .35 mono i would get 400m on using the 10000 reducers?
Hi mate, thanks for your feedback and support. I think I know what’s going on here. CalcLine is an android app only so that’s probably where the issue lies and I didn't think about that when we made the video. Sorry about that, but I’ve found another site that has a similar line capacity calculator that works in any browser. Head on over here and you’ll be able to run your own calcs: www.pattayafishing.net/fishing-reel-line-capacity-estimator/ The line capacity with the 10000 spacer is 392m of 0.35 line so yes, 400m is no problem. Hope that helps. Cheers, Matt.
Great video mate. Do you know how I can improve my line lay. Mine fills up near the top more than at the bottom. I've switched over to ice washers to speed up the drag and the line lay is still the same.
Hi James, thanks for commenting. Glad you liked the video! If you look in the original box that the reels came in, you’ll find a little packet of washers with instructions on how to use them. If you can find this packet, follow the instructions and it’s probably going to tell you to add or remove washers from underneath the spool (I can’t remember which will solve your top loading problem lol). You’ll need to remove all the line first (wind it onto a spare spool perhaps?) then reload it after you’ve made the necessary adjustment. It’s all a bit of trial and error but it should be possible to get them completely parallel. I’m no expert on this because I’ve never actually had to do it but it should work! Good luck, Matt.
Hi Matt I'm thinking of buying one of these reels to fish for anything from flatfish from the beach to ray's and tope in the Shannon estuary in Ireland, would this be suitable. I usually use Penn and Abu multiplyers but I'd like to try a fixed spool for a change. Great video by the way 👍
Hi mate, It's been a very long time since I’ve done any sea fishing but modern carp angling looks and feels a lot more like seas fishing nowadays with big (4-5oz) leads being cast and retrieved a very long way. I’ve had my Shimano XTC’s for about 9 months now and they’ve seen a fair bit of action. For me they are good for anything from 10lbs to 100lbs and have the power to crank in leads from 120m over rocky terrain as fast as I can wind so I see no reason why they wouldn't suit your needs. The XTD model has been done to a price and is not as stiff and well made as the XTC model. The XSC is targeted at the surf fishing market although, as far as I can see, all three reels are saltwater rated (double check that yourself though). These reels are my fourth set of Shimano’s and the XTC’s are the best I’ve had. If you spend silly money you can buy a better reel but for me these are the sweet spot in terms of price/performance. I’ve done the Daiwa thing and I won’t buy another Daiwa reel. Hope that helps. All the best with your fishing. Cheers, Matt.
Hi Luke, it's not easy to find but I did get the data from the Shimano website: The 3500 reducers take 200m of 0.20 mono The 6000 spacers take 240m of 0.35 mono The 10000 reducers take 400m of 0.35 mono
Love all your videos just purchased Shimano 14000 XTE want to fill 3 reels with fluorocast 0.37 mm which spacers should I use if you don’t mind me asking for your advice. Thank you & keep the great videos coming 😁
Hi mate, the 6000 spacers hold 240m of 0.35 line or 215m of 0.37, the 10000 spacers hold 392m of 0.35 and 351m of 0.37. It depends what range you're fishing and how much line you want to load on your spools. Cheers, Matt
Thanks for video on these reels, can you tell me what the washers for that come in box. I've just purchased in medium 5500 xtb lc baitrunner. Please advise at your earliest convenience many thabks
The washers are for placing on the spindle, underneath the spool. These washers enable you to tune the line lay on the reel. All modern Shimanos are shipped with a neutral (flat) line lay, some anglers will want to change this profile to be forward tapered or rearward tapered. Personally, I’ve never used these washers, I’m happy with the flat profile.
Thank for the information Mathew. As I’ve been under spoiling one of my reels. An that’s no good. An just one more question. How much line will I get on reel with 10000 spacer of 0.40 line
Hi Marko, thanks for commenting. The rod I used in this video is a Harrison Aviator Plus (3lbs 6oz TC) custom built. Personally I haven't used a bait runner reel for carp fishing for 20 years. I always fish semi locked up so the bait runner facility is unnecessary with a quick drag reel like the one I'm using here. There's also a weight penalty with any bait runner reel. Less weight means I can cast further with less effort. So the choice depends on how you want to fish. Hope that helps. Cheers, Matt.
Hi Simon, as I understand it, every Shimano is factory set to have parallel line lay so no, I didn't use any of the small washers provided, I didn't need them, and every one came out spot on :)
Hi Craig, so the line capacity of the 3500 spacer is 200m of 0.20. If you put 0.35 mono onto the reel with this spacer you’ll only be able to fit 65m of line on the spool. I cannot imagine a situation where you’d want to do this. I’d suggest you use either the 10000 spacer which has a capacity of 392m of 0.35 or a 6000 spacer which will hold 240m of 0.35. Hope that helps. Cheers, Matt.
Hi mate, firstly I’m a bit surprised by what you are using. 150m of braid is very little and TBH I wouldn't load up less than 250m. Also 0.34mm is very very heavy for a braided mainline. I’ve used .35 spiderwire which is rated at 90lbs for fishing weirs pools but that’s a specialist situation. If you have the XTD’s then you’ll have to use the 10000 spacers and put a load of backing line on to make up the difference. If you have the XTC’s then I’d use the 6000 spacers and I’d still add some backing unless you load more than 150m which is what I would do. Hope that helps. Cheers, Matt.
@@matthewcollinsangler Thanks Matt I am fishing Yateley North Lake and the furthest u fish is 17.5 Wraps. Most work is done near Islands so they can't run far and a lot of the members only load up with 33 wraps on their XTDs. The reel I am using is the new XTE and the line is the Thinking Anglers SBX 0.34mm 40lb 300 meters. I would like to do two rods with it so 150 on each.
@@proanglingrecruitment Ah right okay. The 6000 holds 240m of 0.35 so that's 254m of 0.34. If you want to load 150m I would just load that as is and see how the level looks. I always underfill braid by 2-3mm anyway to prevent fraps ups. You can always add some backing line on top then reverse load it into the next spool. Best of luck, Matt.
Hi Mark great Info. I’ve just bought some of these and the line I have bought is fox Exocet tapered in 12lb 0.3mm and some syncro XT in 18lb 0.4mm . So what do you think would be the best spacers. The tapered line can’t be cut coz it’s tapered both ends . Any advice would be great thank you .
Hi Matt, I’ll start with the Syncro XT. Personally I used the 6000 spacers with the 0.40 (18lbs) as I didn't need to load more than 200m on my spools. The max range I need to fish the 0.40 is 100m so 200m is fine for me. If I wanted/needed to fish further with the 0.40, I’d go for the 10000 spacers. If you bought the XTD and not the XTC then you won’t have 6000 spacers. You can either buy these separately or load the 0.40 on them. If that seems like too much line then add some backing line. I’ve never used these ready made lines with tapered leaders myself but I know that what you can do is this: Install a pair of 6000 spacers as they will hold a fair amount of 0.30 mono. Then load a spool (with the fat end of the taper on first) and max that out to the lip of the spool. Once you're happy, unload this from one spool onto a fresh spool and you’ll end up with a fully loaded perfectly brimmed spool with your tapered leader at the business end. Don’t forget that depending on the situation, you can cut down the fat end somewhat. Most of these come with 10 or even 15m of thicker material. This might be what you need in a snaggy situation but if you’re looking for max range I only want 6m of leader. That’s just enough to take the load of a full blooded cast. The trouble is that if you cut your tapered leader down to 6m, you're not going to have any spare if you need to chop any off. You might want to start at 8m, that'll give you a little extra to play with. That’s one of the reasons I don’t use these readymade lines with tapered ends. Hope that helps mate. Cheers, Matt.
@@matthewcollinsangler yes that’s great thank you , I’m like you with the 18mm , don’t think I’ll be fishing over 100m. I’ll do what you said with the tapered line , spool it up and then add the backup line for the perfect fit. Thanks again and all the best 👍🏼
Some braids will slip on the spool, so that's the only reason I use mono backing. I noticed you didn't make any knots on the spool, nor between your backing and the main line. Why?
Because I was loading 300m of 0.30 mainline over the top and I never fish more than 120m distance, there’s absolutely no way that the backing line is going to come into play so there’s no need to tie a knot so I taped it. If I’m fishing at a long distance and there’s a risk of running out of line then absolutely I’d tie a knot.
Dear Ronald, Shimano don’t give the capacity for these specific spacers (which is frustrating) and I’ve never found it on their site. However, all shimano reels have a size rating, 6000, 8000 etc and each size holds the same amount of line. So you can look up the line capacity of any 6000 Shimano reel and it’ll tell you how much it holds. For example, a Shimano baitrunner DL6000RB holds 240m of 0.35 line, and the ST6000RB holds exactly the same. Hope that helps, Matt.
Hi Matt. I’ve just been on your chat re poor line lay. Would I need to add a washer inside the spool to improve the line lay (Shimano 14000 Ci4). My line lay is nothing like yours in this video Darrell
Hi Darell, it sounds like something’s gone wrong with how the spool is sitting on the spindle… you’re either missing all of the washers or you’ve got twice as many as you should have. To be honest, you need to take it to a tackle shop or a reel service engineer.
Thanks Rhys! So the 14000 xtd without any spool reducers holds 550m of 0.35. If you run the numbers on 0.37 that comes down 492m per spool. You've only got 333m per spool to play with so that's no good. If you add the 10000 spool reducers that comes out at 351m of 0.37 which is still too much. So you need to add some backing but not much. Use Calcline to workout exactly how much, it depends on the diameter of your backing. Hope that helps, Matt.
@@rhyswarren9962 Hi Rhys, ah yes that app is only available for Android sorry. Not to worry, follow this link and that should confirm my calculations and work out other line capacity calcs in the future: www.pattayafishing.net/fishing-reel-line-capacity-estimator/
@@rhyswarren9962 Yes mate, you only need 30-40m per spool and then you'll be able to max out you spools with the 0.37. Obviously you'll still need the 10000 spool reducers.
Hi Peter, the maths says you’d need 95m of 0.38 backing to load 200m of 0.28 braid on the 6000 spacers. However I would only load on 50m of the backing to create the desired underfill level. Hope that works out for you. Cheers, Matt.
good evening matthew, i had a question, where did you find out that 240 meters of line 0.35 fits on the shimano ultegra 14000 xtc ci4+, i can't find anything anywhere, thanks in advance
Hi Mike, Shimano makes it very hard to find this information for sure but the way that spool sizing works is that any Shimano reel with a 6000, 8000, 10000 or 14000 size is directly comparable to another. I’m not sure where you got your numbers from but what you say isn't quite correct (sorry). Here’s the full list of line capacity for Shimano reels: 14000 holds 550m of 0.35 10000 holds 392m of 0.35 6000 holds 240m of 0.35 3500 holds 200m of 0.20 This information also applies to the spool reduction spacer system. Hope that clears things up for you. Cheers, Matt.
Hi Peter, the 3500 spool reducers hold 200m of 0.20 braid. If the braid you have is 0.28 then you’ll only get 102m on the spool. Which won’t be good for anything. As a minimum I would use the 6000 reducers which will hold 375m of the braid. Don’t forget that it's very important not to overfill your spools with braid. I underfill mine by 2-3mm to avoid frap ups. If you have 300m of the 0.28 I would load it straight onto the 6000 reducers and see how that looks. Best of luck, Matt.
Hi Mathew I have purchased 3 ultegra xtc and I am going to fill the spare spools up with 0.28mm braid should I go with the 3500 spool shallower or the 6000 and under fill it I’m abit stuck in between
Tom Mercer Hi Tom, the 3500 spacer with hold 200m of 0.20 braid which is okay but 0.28 is considerably thicker and according to my calculations you’d only get 102m on there. I don’t know what you are using the reels for but for me that’s nowhere near enough. The 6000 spacers hold 240m of 0.35 so with 0.28 line you’ll get 375m on them. Bear in mind that it's best to underfill braid to stop the dreaded wind knots. I’d take 25-50m off the number so you’re then in the region of 325m-350m which is more useful. Braid normally comes on 300m spools so you won’t need much backing to fill a spool to the level you need. Perhaps stick 30-40m of 0.35 line on there and go for it. Hope that helps, Cheers, Matt.
I just went and asked shimano and i think your 6000 size is out Good afternoon, The spool reducers: 3500-200m of 0.20 6000-200m of 0.30 10000-300m of 0.40
Kind regards, Service Team SHIMANO FISHING UK Unit 2 Elm Court
Cool, thanks for that 👍 The way I worked out the numbers was to base it off other Shimano reels that are quoted as having a 6000 sized spool and ported those numbers across to the Shimano spool spacers. I use the information as a guide and tweak the fill level to suit my fishing. Good to have this info, and whatever numbers you use, it’s a guide that will put you in the right ballpark. Cheers, Matt.
@@matthewcollinsangler I was just looking at the mvspools and they had different sizes, so I could probably get away with using one of them without the spacers
What's the point? I just put 300m of 30 lb mono on mine and I'm not sure if that will be enough, I'd feel better with 500m, so might have to put on some braid under the mono. I live on the coast just north of sydney australia. If your just playing around for skull draggers in little ponds like that, why not just use a big handline and some gloves. It's like getting a mack truck and putting 2 litres in it, crazy.
@@aarondavies8486 The very small amount of line length on the reel. If I fish with less than 350 meters for example, there is a chance I'll loose the lot if I hook into a decent mulloway or pelagic etc. where I live. Why have such a large capacity reel if you only need a small amount of line? and they don't run very fast compared to saltwater either.
@Just me. its about being able to cast up to 200 yards from the bank and having a fast retrieval rate to that why and when your catching 60lb carp that's why we like the big pit reels as they are called here but your right some are just over kill biggest I go is 7000 size I can still cast 150yard just fine and I have just over 3.5 feet line retrieval with one full turn of the handle
Hi, I’m not sure what you mean by grip and what that has to do with braid but the Shimano Ultegra 14000 xtc’s that I used in this video come with a 3500 spacer that is specifically designed to work with braid and can fit 200m of 0.20. That’s fine for a spod/marker reel but if you are using 0.30 braid at long range then you’d be better off using one of the other sets of spacers. They all work with braid. Hope that helps. Cheers, Matt.
Hi is the bail arm supposed to automatically click back over when you wind after a cast or not because mine doesn't, it just stays cocked and clicks as you wind then you have to manually replace the bail arm again ? Thanks
Hi there, modern big pit reels won't ever automatically close when you wind the handle. It's a safety thing, when you're casting big leads a long way. So you should always manually close the bail arm.
Hi mate I don’t have any reducers so looking at putting backing line on first.. I’m wanting to put 330 metres of .28 braided mainline on to a spool.. how much backing should I do first ? Cheers
Hi mate, The capacity of the Ultegras 14000 is 550m of 0.35 mono. If you want to load 330m of 0.28 line, you’ll need to add 259m of 0.40 mono backing line.
Hi Matthew I have just bought a set of ci4’ XTC’s for myself. But i have read some mixed reviews of them. Have you experienced any problems with the quality? Line guards snapping etc? Have you felt the need to replace washers and so? - Carl
Hi Carl, I’m happy to report that I’ve had zero issues with my XTC’s since I bought them over a year ago and I’ve used them a lot! I can definitely see how some anglers have snapped the line guard. If the line does go behind the spool and you continue to wind the handle this will put a lot of load on the guard and it will either force it out of the groove, or break it. This is not a failure of the product or the design, it's just not being used carefully. The drag washers supplied with the reel are not the best and they don’t apply an even amount of drag force. You’ll find that if you play carp off the clutch, the spool will spin, then stop until more force is applied by you, or the carp. I can see how this would annoy some anglers. Personally for me, it’s not an issue as I don’t use the clutch for playing fish. Watch this video to learn why: th-cam.com/video/AGuXj4xKDow/w-d-xo.html I’ve not bothered to change the washers but I know it can be done. I have no idea whether this is a successful work around for the issue or not I’m afraid. Personally I’m very happy with the reels. The line lay is fantastic and they are super smooth. They are also lightweight and robust so what’s not to love? I’ve yet to find anything better and I’ve spent twice the money on some Daiwa’s that turned out to be all talk and no trousers. Cheers, Matt.
@@matthewcollinsangler Wow, thank you Matthew! It's so nice that you take your time to answer my question (and all of the other comments). That combined with your awesome videos makes you one of my favorite TH-camrs! Really nice review, thank you again
@@carlfrederikbalslev5083 No worries mate, always happy to help 😊 We’ll probably do a full video review of these reels at some point. If you ever want to support the channel further, any purchases done on Amazon through this link will give us a small commission (price to you is the same): ttps://amzn.to/3TbvnaF Cheers 👍
Hi Matthew, can you help me a bit as i don`t have an Android so can`t use the app.. I want to spool up 0.32mm on my 14000 XTD, but i don`t have the 6000 reducers, so i`m going to use the 10000. If i want to put 330m of 0.32 on the 10000s, how much backing line should i use - 0.35 or 0.38. Thanks!
Hi Mate, the 14000 with 10000 spacers holds 392m of 0.35 or 469m of 0.32. If you only want to load 330m of 0.32 then you need to add some backing line for sure. If you use 0.35mm backing line then you’ll need 116m of it. If you use 0.38 then you’ll need 99m. I would add a bit more backing line either way as if the maths are out your last spool will be under filled which could be a problem in certain situations. I normally shoot for 300m of mainline. Best of luck, Matt.
Hi Luke, sure so the 3500 reducers take 200m of 0.20 mono, the 10000 reducers take 400m of 0.35. Just put those numbers into Calcline and you can then calculate the actual line capacity for the diameter of line you’re using. Cheers, Matt.
Hi Mathew i have a question if thats ok ,, i have the 14000 XTE REELS so same as these spool wise i imagine, i want to use the gthd line @15lb ,,0.35 and the spool of line has 1030 meters on , my question as a novice is , would i get 3 fully loaded spools using the 10,000 reducers out of the spool of line . Regards Mal
Hi Mal, no unfortunately that’s not going to work. The 10000 spacers hold 392m of 0.35 and you only have 343m (absolute max). I’d play safe and add 50m of backing line on first and that will give you more margin of error. Best of luck, Matt.
@@matthewcollinsangler thanks Matt, i set about loading the spools today,, i added the 10000 reducers to the spools (x2 spools per reel) , the bulk spool of Gthd 0.35 holds 1030m ,, i took one full spool to load the 2 reel spools so each spool with the 10000 spacers on took 515 m to load , sound correct ?
@@rhiodnstar As I said, the 10000 spacers hold 392m of 0.35 so if you’ve squeezed on 515m you’ve overloaded them by 123m which is a lot. Without seeing the spools myself, I can’t say whether the data is wrong or whether you’ve overloaded them but your results are surprising to say the least. I believe the Shimano numbers to be right if a little on the conservative side. Maybe it’s a bit of both. You’ll soon know which when you try and fish with them. If you get wind knots then you’ve definitely put too much on. Best of luck, Matt.
Hi Simon, as I understand it, every Shimano is factory set to have parallel line lay so no, I didn't use any of the small washers provided, I didn't need them, and every one came out spot on :)
Hi Paul, the 3500 is designed for braid, not mono. Its capacity is 200m of 0.20 so based on the maths that's 58m of 0.37. You need to use the 10000 spacer as you don't get a 6000 spacer as standard on the XTD. The 10000 spacer will hold 351m of 0.37 so if you are using 1000m of Nash Bullet which is 0.37 then you’ll need to add a at least 20m of backing in order to make it do 3x spools. Hope that helps, Cheers, Matt.
Hi mate, I’m going to assume that you have the 14000 size as possessedopposed to the 5500. It also depends on how much 0.35mm mono you want to load. The 1000 spacers will accept 392m which is quite a lot but if you are fishing at long range with a boat then you might need that. The 6000 spacers might be closer to what you need as they hold 240m of 0.35mm but you don’t get the 6000 spacers as standard on the XTD reels so you’ll either have to buy them separately or use the 10000 spacers and add some cheap backing line first before loading the 0.35mm. Cheers, Matt.
Hi Richard, as far as I understand, when you buy a new reel from Shimano, each one has had the appropriate number of washers added or taken away to achieve a perfectly parallel line lay. This is because of how the manufacturing tolerances stack up in each finished reel. So the answer to your question is no, I didn't add or remove any washers because when I loaded the reels, the line lay was perfectly parallel. If it wasn't TBH I’d return the reel as there may be more at fault with it that could cause problems down the line. Not that I’ve ever had that with any Shimano reel though. Hope that helps. Cheers, Matt.
Hi Ray, Calcline is available on the google play store as a free download for android. If you have an iphone then try this free online calculator that you can use from any browser: www.pattayafishing.net/fishing-reel-line-capacity-estimator/ Calcline has a few more features but this page should tell you what you need to know. Cheers, Matt.
@@albertlennox7625 Hi Albert, I'm not sure what type of fishing you are doing but for me 32lb 0.1mm line is very fine and it will be difficult to achieve good knot strength. Sure it will cast a very long way but personally I wouldn't use anything that thin without a very good reason. The thinnest braid I use is 0.25 and that's for spodding and marker work. I understand that it's rated at 32lbs but if you can achieve 50% knot strength you'll be doing very well. In terms of spacers the 3500 spacer are the ones you need and they are only available with the XTC model, not the XTD. The 3500 spacers have a rated capacity of 200m of 0.2mm line so they would hold a whopping 800m of 0.1mm! If you still want to use the 32lb whiplash I'd just load 300m onto the 3500 spacers. It's good practice to underload braid anyway to avoid wind knots. Don't forget to use a shock leader. I'd use a braided leader such as the Nash 50lb. Cheers, Matt.
We glue out snoods in place with Pro tronic sleeves and glue all knots and line is better fine as it has less friction in a running tide .and therefore can hold the bottom with less weight.
Hi Lee, the 6000 spacers hold 240m of 0.35mm line so if you are loading 0.37 you’ll get 215m on the spool. If you are only fishing relatively small lakes then this is plenty but for some anglers 215m would not be enough. Cheers, Matt.
Hi mate.. I will be spooling with pb products control which is 18lb and diameter is 0.30.. using the biggest line reducers do you know roughly how much line I’d get on each spool cheers
Hi Ben, bear in mind that the knot strength will be 50% or less of stated strain. It's the diameter which counts. 0.30 is good for distance but it's no match for pads etc. I assume you have the XTDs? They come with two spool reducers. The XTCs come with 3. The largest spool reducers on the XTDs is 6000 (I think!) So they are good for 327m of 0.30. Hope that helps. Cheers, Matt.
@@matthewcollinsangler thanks for then reply mate.. yes I have the xtds 14000. I believe I have a 10000 and 3500 reducer mate couldn’t see any 6000 in the box
@@benashton2882 I would use the 10000 spacer. It’s stated capacity is 392m of 0.35 which means it will hold 351m of 0.37. If you aren't worried about maxing out your spool you could just load 300m onto each and go with that. Personally I would add some backing first to properly fill the spool.
Hi Mathew I’ve been using my reels for a season now and I’m not convinced that the clutches on these ci4 are as smooth as they should be .I changed the washers for some carbon ones and I’m still not sure what to think what’s your input on this thanks for the informative video 👍
Hi Gary, so I stopped playing carp on the clutch quite a few years ago so I don’t notice the clutch much in my fishing. I do fish semi-tight clutches though and I find mine spin well when required. I did notice when mine were new that the clutch force varies a fraction as the spools spins so you get a slight variation in tension. A mate of mine had exactly the same so I guess it’s just the way they are. I would have thought that carbon washers would have eliminated this variance but perhaps not. Having had top end Diawa’s I would say the Diawa’s have the best clutches but the Shimano gearing is far superior in smoothness and they are super strong and reliable. I sold my Basia’s after 5 years as I basically killed them (well my catfish had lol.) Personally I wouldn't worry too much. Maybe one day the clutches will be smoother but for now it is as it is I guess? Hope that helps. Cheers, Matt.
So confused with this ... Ive got 2x the Shimano ultegra 14000 xtd .... Im getting some 0.33mm line of 1000m ... Do i use the 3.500 or 10000 spacer ... Will 1000 m be enough for 3.500 spacer for 2 reels ... ?
The 3500 spacer is designed for use with braid and can only hold 200m of 0.20 braid. If you try to use the 3500 spacer with 0.33mm mono you’ll only be able to load 73m of line onto each spool which isn't very much. So you are going to have to use the 10000 spacers with the 0.33mm mono. The trouble is that the capacity of those spacers is a whopping 444m and you only have 1000/3 = 333m maximum available per spool which will leave you 110m short on every spool. If you are only casting 70 yards then this isn't going to affect your fishing too much but if you want to hit 100 plus then you’ll probably struggle. The solution is to load backing line onto the spool before you load the mainline. I can’t tell you how much to load because I don’t know the diameter of the backing line but if you visit this website and use the advanced calculator then that will help with the maths: www.pattayafishing.net/advanced-fishing-reel-line-capacity-estimator/ We will publish a video later this year on this very topic. Best of luck and I hope that helps, Cheers, Matt.
@@matthewcollinsangler thanks for fast reply mate .... I did say this wrong tho my fault ... I've got 2x Shimano ultegra 14000 xtd reels and I've got 1000m of mono line ... Would I have enough line to do both reels using the 10000 spacers
@@gerrygallant9155 Right! Ah you’ve got no bother then mate. The 14000’s with the 10000 spacers will hold 444m of 0.33mm so you have 1000/2 = 500m per spool to play with so that’s 56m per spool spare so even if you need a bit extra to really max them out you’ll be absolutely fine. Best of luck, Matt.
Hello Matthew, please can you hellp my? I whant use 0.24mm they sell only 300m spol line end now i dont now what reduction to use for , shimano ultegra ci4+ 14000.Thank you 🤝
Hi mate, you don’t mention whether that is mono or braid. 0.24mm is very fine for specimen carp fishing and should only be used by long distance carp fishing experts IMO. The finest mono I use is 0.33. If you still want to use 0.24mm then you could choose the 6000 spacers but those are only available on the XTC model (as featured in this video). If you are using the XTD then you may be limited to the 10000 spacer only (I’m guessing here). Let’s say you do have the 6000 spacer, they can hold 240m of 0.35mm. At 0.24mm they hold 510m. That's fine but you are still going to need backing (a lot of it depending on the diameter of the backing line). Without knowing the diameter of the backing line I can’t help you further. You can try this online calculator: www.pattayafishing.net/advanced-fishing-reel-line-capacity-estimator/ The other option is to use the 3500 spacer (if you have it). The trouble is you’ll only be able to fit 139m of line on, which depending on what you are doing might not be nearly enough. Best of luck, Matt.
Where did you find out how much line the 6000 spacer would fit. I just got one and want to find out how much line the 10000 spacer would fit? So I can use the app
Hi mate, yeah so you can find that info directly from Shimano. The 6000 spacers take the same amount of line as any 6000 sized Shimano spool so that’s 240m of 0.35 mono. To save you trolling for the data on the other sizes, here’s what you need: the 3500 reducers take 200m of 0.20 mono and the 10000 reducers take 400m of 0.35 mono. Hope that answers your question 😊 Cheers, Matt.
That is Matt. That is perfect I have app and for no spacers and my 24lb .16 braid at 500 meters I needed 600 meters of .30 mm mono. That's way to much. Really appreciate it. Thank you
@@Freespoons1 Hi mate, ah that’s great! Glad you found it useful. If you’d like to email me a pic just send it over to matt@frenchcarpandcats.com. Cheers, Matt.
hi mate just bought the ultegra xtd and it comes with two different fillers but i’m not quite sure what they mean. i want to put around 300 give or take of 0.37m line should i put the 10000 filler or the other one on it?
Hi Jay, so if you want to put 300m of 0.37 you’ll need to use the 10000 spacers. The 3500 spacers are for low diameter braid etc. The line capacity with the 10000 spacers in place is quoted by Shimano as 350m of 0.35. If I put that info. and the line you want to put into the CalcLine app, it says that if you use 0.37 you can fit on 313m of mainline onto each spool. If you are doing 3 spools, that’s OK (just) if you’ve bought 1000m of line as there is 333m available per spool. If you only have 900m to play with, you’ll have to add some backing line before you put on the 300m of 0.37 or your spools won’t be filled properly. Use the Calcline app if you need to add backing: just enter the diameter of the backing line you’re using, then enter a target amount of main line of say 290m, then add the amount of leader (or not) that you normally use and it will then tell you how much backing line to use. Don’t forget to count the turns when you’re spooling as it’s easy to misjudge and under/overfill the spools. Hope that makes sense! Cheers, Matt.
Matthew Collins cheers mate what a brilliant reply it’s a 945m spool so shall i just decide that by 3 and do that many turns? not bothered about backing line or leader
Hi Matthew. I have a little dilemma. I am now the owner of a Shimano Ultegra spod XTD, i have never owned a reel like this before, also in the box were some adjustment washers as they say to help create the "winding shape? I was going to put some braded line on tmw, but not sure what i have to do with the washers, if any thing. Do i need to do any thing with them? or can i go ahead and fill up my spool. Cheers.
Hi Ray, I totally understand your dilemma. What these washers do is change how the line goes onto the spool. By default, every Shimano is “factory set” to create a flat profile from the back of the spool to the front of the spool, iI.e. after filling the spool, if you measure the diameter of the loaded line at the back, then at the front of the spool the measurement will be very close if not identical. These winding washers can change the shape of the winding profile from a forward taper (lower diameter at the front), through to a backward taper (higher diameter at the front). I’ve used Shimano of various types for many years and I’ve never felt the need to adjust the winding shape from the factory set flat profile. In others words, load your braid and it should come out flat which works just fine. One word of warning when loading braid is don’t overfill the spool. Braid is very prone to “wind knots” which is when more than one loop of line comes off the spool at a time. If you under fill your spool, you’ll virtually eliminate this risk and will be able to cast hard into even in severe crosswinds. I aim for 1-2mm down from the lip. Don’t forget to add 6m of robust leader material to absorb the force of the cast. Sunset’s Amnesia is an effective and cheap option. Hope that helps, Cheers, Matt.
@@matthewcollinsangler Thank you Matthew, that is very clear and concise. So i can go ahead and just put my braid on the reel straight out of the box. Do i need to do anything to the braid before hand, as you would do to mono line before you load it, ie soak it. When you say do not over fill, would filling it to the bottom shoulder that is on the spool be ok?
@@raybriggs4529 Hi Ray, yes no need to soak braid as it’s hydrophobic i.e. it doesn't absorb any water. Not sure quite what you mean by the shoulder. When I do it I’m measuring from the maximum diameter of the front lip of the spool. The 1-2mm is a radial dimension from that lip to the top of the line (If that makes sense). If you're still stuck send an email to me at matt @frenchcarpandcats.com and I’ll send you a photo :)
Hi mate, the Calcline app is only available on Android. If you have an iPhone you can use this online calculator instead: www.pattayafishing.net/fishing-reel-line-capacity-estimator/
Hi Matt. Brilliant if somewhat daunting video as I'm not the best when it comes to maths. But before biting the bullet and getting to grips with your advice, I noticed that the start of your video states the instructions are for C14+ models XTD; XSC; XTC. I have just purchased the C14+ 14000 XTB reel so be great if you could advise if the info in your video is relevant for this variant, or what do I need to bear in mind when loading line onto these particular reels?
Hi Valentine, thanks for commenting and sorry if it all got a bit technical for you! The important number here is the 14000 bit. I’m sorry that I missed the XTB version off the compatibility list. The instructions for spooling your reels are exactly the same as for the XTD and the XTC. Hope that helps! If you get stuck, just leave it here and I’ll get back to you. Cheers, Matt.
@@matthewcollinsangler Hi Matt Many thanks for the clarification and apologies if my rather OCD question appeared to draw attention to minor errors in the video as I in no way meant to criticise the presentation of what is an excellent instructional and informative piece. Appreciate your offer to help further with my quest to effectively spool these complicated bits of kit and will more than likely take you up on kind offer (promise not to stalk you or try to be your new best friend :) Have another question that I'm wondering if you could please help me with. Have owned Shimano bait runners reels for decades. But the C14 front drag concept is fairly new to me although I understand the principle and benefits of a front drag in the smooth playing of fish - the main reason for purchasing these reels. My question to you if you could please help me get my head round is; How does the front drag system on the C14 relate to the classic bait runner set up? Would I be right in assuming that the small wheel within the large silver control is the clutch, and the large silver control is the bait runner function, or Is it the other way round, or is it a combination of both? (as there are only two controls on my C14’s for bait-runner/drag function and standard bait runners have three) Basically, having trouble locating instructions for this model. There’s lots of mainly marketing fluff out there saying how good it reel is, but can't find anything that explains how to use it effectively! So if you know of anywhere I could go to make myself smart in this area that would be great...
@@valentinetomin8046 Hi Valentine, no worries mate. It’s what we do here! The transition from baitrunner to quick drag is a big change. I made the switch a long time ago but I remember very well that the transition took some adjusting too! I’ve never owned the Shimano XTB system but I’m familiar with how it works as I’ve had a little play. Personally I prefer the classic and much simpler system of the XTD or the XTC. One knob, short travel from loose to tight. It does all I need. I think the best way to understand the Shimano XTB system is to see the silver (outer) knob as a coarse drag adjustment and the smaller (inner) wheel as a finer adjustment. If you fully tighten the large silver knob then this tightens the clutch to the level at which the smaller inner drag is set. Think of this as the playing clutch setting. If you back off the inner it will allow some slip just like the playing clutch does on a bait runner. If you need to make a coarser or quicker adjustment you can also slacken the silver outer knob but bear in mind that one click on this will have a greater effect than one click on the inner. To set the reel in a bait runner config just slacken the silver outer by one quarter or one half turn (can’t remember how far it goes lol!) Note: I always fish a semi tight clutch as I want to control the carp from the off. See my video here for more info: th-cam.com/video/j_NSmA2CtQQ/w-d-xo.html. Also note that when casting a big distance you need to screw the clutch down very tight so you might need to tighten the inner wheel to the max to achieve this with this system. It’s a personal thing but I do not play carp off the clutch. I explain why in this video: th-cam.com/video/pf1m8FJIP6k/w-d-xo.html Right, that's probably enough info for you to digest this time round! Hope it helps you out mate. Cheers, Matt.
@@matthewcollinsangler Thanks Matt. Must have watched most of your back catalogue and have to say it's an impressive body of work. Can I cut to the chase and ask you which spacers should I use to stick around 150 to 200m of 0.3 diameter line on the XTB spool?
@@valentinetomin8046 Hi Valentine, ah, some of those videos are a bit old now, we’ve been doing this for a few years lol. So the problem is that there is no spool spacer available that will achieve those numbers. The 3500 spacer would only hold 89m of 0.3 and the 6000 spacer would hold 327m. So your only option is to use the 6000 spacers and load 327m or add some backing line to the 6000 spacer to achieve the 200m + backing line. If you want to go down the backing line route, if I knew the diameter of the backing line you want to use I can calculate how many meters of backing line you require. Hope that helps. Cheers, Matt.
Hi mate, in short yes definitely! Without spacers the max capacity of the Ultegra XTD or XTC is 550m of 0.35 mono, the Daiwa emblem 5000T black edition is 370m of 0.35. Cheers, Matt.
The short answer is not a lot! It’s rated at 200m for 0.20 which works out at 65m at 0.35. You’ll need to use the 6000 capacity spacers as a minimum for 0.35 mono. Cheers, Matt.
Hey Matthew, really nice video. I have this reel arriving today, so it's quite timely I'm watching. Do you not tie each different line together with a double uni or other knot - just the cell tape?
Hi David, thanks for commenting and for your support. I'm glad that you liked the video. I used to tie the different lines together but it always creates a bump in the line lay so I decided just to tape them in place instead. As long as you are loading plenty of line onto the spool and not fishing at massive range, then the risk of this tape ever coming close to the surface should be very low (or even non-existent). Hope that helps. Happy spooling and enjoy the reels. I love mine :) Cheers, Matt.
Hi Matt, I have followed your instructions. I have used the 10000 spacer and put 400m of 0.35 line on, however, my spool doesn’t look anywhere near as full as yours does. I would say it is 2mm short of where the lip starts to angle out. Where as yours is up to the lip. Any help would be greatly appreciate
Hi mate, I have to say I’m a bit lost with what’s gone wrong for you here. I can only think of 2 possible explanations. 1) The line you are using is not actually 0.35 (mislabelled?). 2) You haven't put 400m on the spool (maybe by miscounting the revolutions??). Once you’ve installed a matching pair of 10000 spacers onto the spool there’s no way that you’d be short. I have an old set of 10000 capacity shimano reels (without spacers) and the capacity is 392m of 0.35. Something somewhere doesn't add up… Don’t know what else to say mate.
@@matthewcollinsangler nice one for getting back to me. I just gauged the line with some digital callipers and the line is actually .33. label on the line (Fox Xocet) is .35. My callipers could be out not sure. I have the XTD so maybe one revolution is different to your model. Maybe a combination of this is causing a huge discrepancy. I will come up with something so I can spool up all 3 with whats left. Thank again for your help
@@justhchuk2865 Ok Yeah it might not sound much but each hundredth of a mm makes a big difference in terms of number of meters. What I’d do might sound a bit mad but go with me! Load some old backing line on top of your new line until it’s exactly where you want it to be. Then tape/tie the end of the backing line onto a fresh (empty) spool. Then transfer that from one reel to another. You’ll end up with a perfectly filled spool then! Take note of how much backing line you needed and you’ll be able to do the next one right first time (hopefully). Hope that helps! Cheers, Matt.
@@matthewcollinsangler I have learnt that today haha. That’s exactly what I have already done - except I never counted how much backing to do the second and third 🤭 when I do the second I will make sure I count to be able to do the 3rd. Thanks for your time it’s much appreciated
Doesn't matter either way. You can tape it, or tie it. It’s not going to come under any load unless you get spooled out. If that does happen, whether it’s taped or tied the fish is lost either way.
Not familiar with the speedmaster. It's only the Ultegra ci4 XTC that comes with a full set of spacers. Not sure whether you can buy a 6000 spacer separately for your reels. For most situations you'll just have to use the 10000 spacer. Nothing wrong with adding some backing line over the top of a 10000 spacer before loading your mainline. Cheers, Matt.
Hi Frank, apologies, when I made the video I was not aware that it was only for Android phones. However here’s a link to an online line capacity calculator that works great and is totally free: www.pattayafishing.net/fishing-reel-line-capacity-estimator/ Cheers, Matt.
Maybe it's not clear in the video but I do hold the line in my fingers above the reel during the spooling. You also get drag from the spool spinning in the water. I have no issues when I cast out. Cheers, Matt
I bought I pair of these reels and they are without doubt the worst reels I have ever owned with regards too line tangles, the line is continuous going under the line guard, even removing a lot of line so it doesn’t spill off so easily doesn’t help. Going to go back to my old shimano baitrunners .
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This info doesn't appear in the video but is taken from the Shimano website:
* The 3500 reducers take 200m of 0.20 mono
* The 6000 spacers take 240m of 0.35 mono
* The 10000 reducers take 400m of 0.35 mono
Someone pointed out that the app I reference in the video, CalcLine, isn't on the Apple store, it's an Android app. I’ve found another site that has a similar line capacity calculator that works in any browser. Head on over here and you’ll be able to run your own calcs: www.pattayafishing.net/fishing-reel-line-capacity-estimator/
In the video:
00:20 Quick unboxing
01:55 How to choose the right line reducer
03:35 Using Calcline to calculate how much line to put on
04:16 Mounting the line reducers onto the spool
05:38 Putting backing line on (Berkley Big Game)
07:45 Putting the mainline on (ESP Syncro XT Loaded)
thanks for this mate
@@birdy9739 You're welcome, glad it's useful.
thank you very much for the site.
@@sosimp140 You're welcome ☺
Hi Matthew
Do you put tension on the new line when you’re adding it to your spool, in the video it looks like it coming off the ESP spool freely?
Thanks
the line lay is immaculate on these, very nice 👍🏼 it amazes me when i watch some videos on youtube of guys fishing and their spools are only half full of line, thats one of my pet hates
Matthew. I found the video very interesting. But difficult to fully understand. Till I read the comments and your fantastic clarification replies.
Now all makes sense.
Thanks a lot for all your hard work and responding to all comments
5 stars. (Again👍)
Hi Michael, thanks for the feedback, it's really nice to hear. Apologies if you found the video difficult to follow but I’m glad that you found the answers you were looking for in the comments. It’s a technical subject and it’s tricky to cover all the angles at the first attempt 😊 There are more videos on the way so we hope that you enjoy them too. Cheers, Matt.
Just updated my rods and reels got 2 of these Shimano reels and 2 greys prodigy gt2 50 rods 3’50lb excited to get out next week and test them out
Thanks very much for this, Matthew. Just bought myself some 14000xtd and this has been invaluable, so thanks for your efforts, it's much appreciated.
No worries Paul, glad that you found it useful. Enjoy your new toys! Cheers, Matt.
Thanks Mathew this is super helpful, just bought a set of three 14000 ci4s and was looking for advice on which reducers to use. Spot on mate.
Hi mate, thanks for your comment. I’m delighted that you found the video useful. If you liked that then you might want to check out some of our other videos. We are uploading regularly right now so they’ll be some fresh videos soon. Hope that you enjoy your new ci4’s as much as I am! Cheers, Matt.
Very clever mat👍shimano reels are simple the best mate never used anything else since 1992! But I’ve always had bait runners as they are so practical and user friendly for me rather than the front drag options reels! Appreciate your vids mat cheers Danboy👊
Hi Dan, glad you liked the video! I started with the classic Shimano bait runner reels and they are great for small waters. The modern front drag reels are lightweight and very easy to use. I don’t slacken the clutch off much anyway as I always fish semi locked up. All I have to do is wind down and gently lift into the fish and they rarely drop off. You need a really solid bankside setup to fish like this though ;)
. Thanks for the support mate 👍
Very clear and easily followed, have the older 14000 ultegras x 3, time to get them serviced and respooled, thank you,
Hi Ian, thanks for commenting. Glad you enjoyed the video. I’ve had various Ultegras over the years. I’ve still got the original ci4 10,000 which I’ve downgraded to spod/marker reels. They are absolute work horses! I ought to treat them to a service really. With the right care these reels can last a very long time. Enjoy and may they continue to serve you well. Cheers, Matt.
So simple when you show how to fit spacers and calculate line,, it is confusing at first.
Totally agree, shimanos are top, robust reels,, started with lever drags donkeys years ago when I had a boat, never looked back or trusted other makes as much, when I loose a fish it's not my reels fault , 😂😂😂
Thanks for making such easy to follow practical videos
Hi Scott, thanks again for your kind words of support. It’s great to know that you are a fellow Shimano fan. I also started with the classic small bait runner reels, then moved up to the Shimano LC’s , then the original Ultegras. I had a brief affair with Daiwa but the love didn't last and after 5 years I was back with Shimano!
stunning explanation thanks... now i can fill the three Ultegra's CI4's 14000 and put them on the Tribal TX Ultra's ....
Hi Kees, I’m very glad that you found the video useful. Sounds like you’ve got yourself a very serious setup there ! I hope that it catches you the carp of your dreams. Cheers, Matt.
Hi Matthew yet again great video they look very smooth I also like the spool reducers great idea also would like to thankyou for your previous rig videos as since using your technique or making rigs my catch rate is a lot higher my best on home made rigs 17lb ghost carp beautiful fish a big thanks to you keep it up thanks again regards 👍
Hi Julian, thanks again for your support! It’s great to know that the rigs are working for you and that you’ve had a new PB, congrats 👍 Keep tying to keep catching! Cheers, Matt.
Great video Matthew very informative those reels look smooth as butter tight lines 🎣👍👍
Hi Michael, glad you liked the video. A friend of mine bought a set of the XTC’s and it was love at the first turn. I’ve had a set of the original ci4 10000’s for the last 5 years and they’ve been great also, but those are just special 👍
אין על הסירטונים שלך לומד אמון דברים חדשים שלא ידעתי אמון תודות על סירטוני ם הסברים שלך 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👑👑👑🤗🎣🐟🎣🐟🎣
There is always something new to learn! Glad that you are enjoying the channel 👍👍
Thanks so much Mathew this is gonna help me so much when I make the purchase of 3 of these beautiful reel's! Thanks for your time and knowledge this is very much appreciated, many thanks and kind regards Marcus 🎣
Hi Marcus, thanks very much for the feedback mate it's greatly appreciated. The only thing that I'd change are the drag washers. The factory washers cause the spool to vary in tension as a fish pulls line. Apparently carbon washers solve this problem. TBH I swapped to backwinding last year as I feel this gives me better control so it's not an issue for me. Line lay is amazing and they are super smooth. Hope you love them as much as I do! Cheers, Matt.
@@matthewcollinsangler your more then welcome! Yeah a mate of mine said the same thing as you actually, I will get these for the reels when I make my order, but I always play my fish by back winding and that way save's line twist which is a plus! I've also downloaded a line app just incase but there's so much information your given away to people in there questions they have asked you it should be pretty simple! Thanks once again and have a great evening and take care 🎣
I was recommended the Shimano Speedmaster 14000xtc, which seem a very good value for money as they are based on the Ultegra 14000 xtc
Don’t know the Speedmaster mate but every Shimano is a good reel IMO
@@matthewcollinsangler www.anglingdirect.co.uk/shimano-speedmaster-xtc-reel
It’s the same body just different materials speedmasters don’t have the extra spool and reducers and are heavier than the ci4’s
Hi Matt using the spool reducers also improves line lay, another thing that also improves line lay is using a backing line with the same or smaller diameter (if you using a lot of backing line) than the line you are putting over the top IE your main line.
Hi Mark, thanks for your comment. I hadn't thought about how the diameter of the backing line can negatively affect the quality of the line lay but when I think about you’re right, it could. I'll bear that in mind, thanks for that! Cheers, Matt.
Would love some reels like those eventually, very nice
I bought my first set of Shimano Ultegra ci4 10000s second hand and saved myself hundreds of pounds. That was 8 years ago and they are still going strong to this day.
Great video! Can you post the link for the reducers capacity please? I own the 5500xtd atm and thinking of getting the 14000xtd.
Hi mate, thanks for commenting. Glad you like the video 😄 I don’t have a link as such. I just searched for line capacities for each difference spool size. Here’s the numbers I use for reference:
14000 holds 550m of 0.35
10000 holds 392m of 0.35
6000 holds 240m of 0.35
3500 holds 200m of 0.20
Just plug these into the line calc app. Add the known dims and run the numbers for the diameter you’re looking to load. Cheers, Matt.
@@matthewcollinsangler Thanks!
Another Great Video Matt, some excellent tips as usual, those reels look awesome, I have just bought the Shimano Speed Master 14000 XTC reels, Unfortunately I couldn't afford the Ultegra's you have, but I guess the same principle you have just demonstrated will still work with my reels wont they? All the best and keep the Great videos coming. Kind Regards. Lawrence.
Hi Lawrence, thanks very much again for commenting. All Shimano reels are superb TBH. I’ve certainly never owned one that I didn't like and I’ve sold a few that I regret doing so! I’m not familiar with the specs of the speedmaster but if they come with spool spacing washers then the principles are exactly the same. The Calcline app is only available on Android. If you have an iPhone you can use this online calculator instead: www.pattayafishing.net/fishing-reel-line-capacity-estimator/
Cheers, Matt.
Hi Matt, great video. I have bought a pair of Ultegra ci4-5500 and ESP syncro xt 15lb (0.37mm) on a 1000m spool.
What’s the line capacity of the 3500 & 4500 line reducers it comes with?
I know the reel holds 0.35mm @ 290m so 0.37mm I believe converts to 259m which I make 247 fully turns of the reel (105cm line retrieve).
Thanks
Jonathan
Hi Jonathan, the 3500 spacers should hold 200m of 0.20 and the 4500 spencers hold 220m of 0.35. If the 5500 states 290m of 0.35 then yes that converts to 259m of 0.37 and 259m is 247 turns at 105 cm so yeah your maths is spot on mate 👍
@@matthewcollinsangler thanks so 3500 spacer pointless using my but could do;
- 2 x spools @ 259m (247 full turns of reel)
- 4500 spacers - 2 x spools @ 197m (188 full turns of reel).
It is only a small lake fishing 60 - 90m so two spare spools at 197m does not seem silly. Agree?
@@jonathanbunkall2708 Yeah that sounds like a plan. I normally work of 100m plus of capacity 👍
Great video very informative!!
Im fishing mostly small waters at the moment but do like to travel and occasionally will fish bigger waters..
I've got the old green shimano big baitrunner long cast at the moment and I find them a bit big now I've upgraded my rods to free spirit s lite 3.25 tc..
Do you think the ultegra are a good all round reel and was wondering how they would go with my new rods.. Cheers
Hi mate, thanks for commenting and I’m glad that you liked the video! I also had a set of the old LC’s classic carp winches but they weigh 1kg each as you know lol. At the minute my 14000 XTC’s are sat on a set of 9ft Nash Dwarfs which weigh nothing. On paper you’d say that the reels are too large for the rods but they actually work great so I’d have no issues recommending them for your Free spirit rods. Enjoy, Matt.
@@matthewcollinsangler thank you for your reply will purchase these reels in the new year
Cheers
I actually found out their is a really easy way to calculate exactly how many reel turns it takes to spool on the line that you want by using a calculator on the internet and some easy math. Check by using the calculator on the internet how much line (of your desired mm) your reel can maximum hold (in meters), you will get a number of meters that represents the lenght of line that reel can hold with the diameter of line that you desire. Now by multiplying that number by 100x if you are calculating meters and 36x if you are calculating yards you will get the lenght in cm or inches respectively The final step is just to take the amount of line that you just converted into cm/inches and devide this with your gear ratio, which is also in cm (most of the time for me anyways). Otherwise devide the amount of inches of your gear ratio. This number is roughly the amount of turns it takes to put on the amount of line(mm) onto the reel you want.
The most easy example of this I can give is when we pretend the gear ratio of a reel is say 90cm per turn and can hold 320m of 0.30mm mono. I want to put on 1oo meters of line backing (which I calculated beforehand with the 0.30mm etc), that would be 100meters of line, convert that to 100m/100=10.000cm of line. Finally take the 10.000cm and devide by 90cm (gear ratio) and you'll get 111.11111 full cirlcle handle turns. So this means it takes roughly 111/112 turns to put on 100m of 0.30mm mono onto this reel. I hope this example makes it a bit more clearer, since explaining things in english isn't my strong suit haha
The best thing of this is that it is especially usefull when you want 2 different lines in diameters and/or when you want a backing of some sort on your reels. The other reason I wanted to tell it like this is that I am from the Netherlands and I could'nt find any line calc app of any sort on the app store, so I just used the internet for this.
Oh and when you want to top of the reel with braid, use the braid calculations (mm) instead of the mono, since it should be a little bit shorter then the calculations with the mono becasue of the lip of the reelspool even though you should always keep checking the line lay when you enter the final stages of spooling up.
Hi Yordi, wow. I’m an engineer and you’ve fried my brain a bit! The Calc line app is only available for Android. We didn't know this when we made the video! Sorry. What you can use also is this site www.pattayafishing.net/fishing-reel-line-capacity-estimator/. This does all the maths for you the same as calc line. The number of metres of line retrieved by each turn is clearly stated on the box of any reel so it’s easy to find and less maths. Hope that helps. Cheers, Matt.
@@matthewcollinsangler Hi Matt, yes I know its a bit blurry I’m sorry haha! But what I actually was saying is using that exact site to figure out how much meters you can put on and using a simple trick by deviding that number of the site (in cm) by your gear ratio in cm. That would be roughly how many turns of your reel it litterally takes. So hopefully this is a bit more clear and you can do this in inches to, just make sure you multiply by 100 if you are using meters and 36 if you are using yards, its important for them to be in the same decimal for the formula to work.
@@yordisanders9859 Ah yes, OK, I think I get it, thanks!
Great advice, how much better is the ci4 xtc compared to the Ultegra 14000 xtd are they worth the extra pennies
Hi Lee, I've had a play with a few XTDs since they were released. They offer exceptional value for money but there is definitely a difference in build quality when compared to the ci4 XTCs. The XTCs are stiffer, smoother and lighter and if you're serious about your fishing and go often enough, then I believe they are worth the extra cost. They're not going to catch you more carp though and if money is tight then I would rather spend the savings on hooks and bait. Cheers, Matt
Matthew Collins thank you so much for your reply it’s massively appreciated 👍🏾
@@leevermiglio8701 Pleasure mate 👍
Just upgraded to the ci4’s wow loving them
Hi Matt, great vid & very helpful. Just wondering if you could share some info on the Calcline app? Trying to find it on the app store or online and having no joy. By the sounds of it i think with .35 mono i would get 400m on using the 10000 reducers?
Hi mate, thanks for your feedback and support. I think I know what’s going on here. CalcLine is an android app only so that’s probably where the issue lies and I didn't think about that when we made the video. Sorry about that, but I’ve found another site that has a similar line capacity calculator that works in any browser. Head on over here and you’ll be able to run your own calcs: www.pattayafishing.net/fishing-reel-line-capacity-estimator/
The line capacity with the 10000 spacer is 392m of 0.35 line so yes, 400m is no problem. Hope that helps. Cheers, Matt.
@@matthewcollinsangler thanks Matt 👍🏼
Thank you very much for this video!! It is very helpful
Great to hear, thanks!
Great video mate. Do you know how I can improve my line lay. Mine fills up near the top more than at the bottom. I've switched over to ice washers to speed up the drag and the line lay is still the same.
Hi James, thanks for commenting. Glad you liked the video! If you look in the original box that the reels came in, you’ll find a little packet of washers with instructions on how to use them. If you can find this packet, follow the instructions and it’s probably going to tell you to add or remove washers from underneath the spool (I can’t remember which will solve your top loading problem lol). You’ll need to remove all the line first (wind it onto a spare spool perhaps?) then reload it after you’ve made the necessary adjustment. It’s all a bit of trial and error but it should be possible to get them completely parallel. I’m no expert on this because I’ve never actually had to do it but it should work! Good luck, Matt.
@@matthewcollinsangler thanks very much Matt..I'll take a look 👍
I saw a video on that some where in TH-cam and he is right it has to do with the washers
Hi Matt I'm thinking of buying one of these reels to fish for anything from flatfish from the beach to ray's and tope in the Shannon estuary in Ireland, would this be suitable. I usually use Penn and Abu multiplyers but I'd like to try a fixed spool for a change.
Great video by the way 👍
Hi mate, It's been a very long time since I’ve done any sea fishing but modern carp angling looks and feels a lot more like seas fishing nowadays with big (4-5oz) leads being cast and retrieved a very long way. I’ve had my Shimano XTC’s for about 9 months now and they’ve seen a fair bit of action. For me they are good for anything from 10lbs to 100lbs and have the power to crank in leads from 120m over rocky terrain as fast as I can wind so I see no reason why they wouldn't suit your needs. The XTD model has been done to a price and is not as stiff and well made as the XTC model. The XSC is targeted at the surf fishing market although, as far as I can see, all three reels are saltwater rated (double check that yourself though). These reels are my fourth set of Shimano’s and the XTC’s are the best I’ve had. If you spend silly money you can buy a better reel but for me these are the sweet spot in terms of price/performance. I’ve done the Daiwa thing and I won’t buy another Daiwa reel. Hope that helps. All the best with your fishing. Cheers, Matt.
Hi, how did you work out how much line is held with a reducer fitted to then go ahead and do your calculations
Hi Luke, it's not easy to find but I did get the data from the Shimano website:
The 3500 reducers take 200m of 0.20 mono
The 6000 spacers take 240m of 0.35 mono
The 10000 reducers take 400m of 0.35 mono
Love all your videos just purchased Shimano 14000 XTE
want to fill 3 reels with fluorocast 0.37 mm which spacers should I use if you don’t mind me asking for your advice. Thank you & keep the great videos coming 😁
Hi mate, the 6000 spacers hold 240m of 0.35 line or 215m of 0.37, the 10000 spacers hold 392m of 0.35 and 351m of 0.37. It depends what range you're fishing and how much line you want to load on your spools. Cheers, Matt
@@matthewcollinsangler thank you so much for reply very helpful
@@matthewcollinsangler I don’t have the 6000 spacers I have 3500 🤣
@@Barberboysi You should have had 3 sets of spacers mate 🤔 The 3500 spacers hold 200m of 0.20 line so they’re useless for 0.37 material!
@@matthewcollinsangler only 2 come with the XTE model 😩
Thanks for video on these reels, can you tell me what the washers for that come in box. I've just purchased in medium 5500 xtb lc baitrunner. Please advise at your earliest convenience many thabks
The washers are for placing on the spindle, underneath the spool. These washers enable you to tune the line lay on the reel. All modern Shimanos are shipped with a neutral (flat) line lay, some anglers will want to change this profile to be forward tapered or rearward tapered. Personally, I’ve never used these washers, I’m happy with the flat profile.
Thank for the information Mathew. As I’ve been under spoiling one of my reels. An that’s no good. An just one more question. How much line will I get on reel with 10000 spacer of 0.40 line
It's 300m
Xtc c14 great reel
Absolutely mate 👍
Hi, what is your rod in this video? See nice. And one.more quistion am not sure ultegra ci4 14000 xtc or batrunner xtr-a lc what is bether? Thx
Hi Marko, thanks for commenting. The rod I used in this video is a Harrison Aviator Plus (3lbs 6oz TC) custom built. Personally I haven't used a bait runner reel for carp fishing for 20 years. I always fish semi locked up so the bait runner facility is unnecessary with a quick drag reel like the one I'm using here. There's also a weight penalty with any bait runner reel. Less weight means I can cast further with less effort. So the choice depends on how you want to fish. Hope that helps. Cheers, Matt.
Hi did you use any of the small washers provided to get your line lay correct thank you
Hi Simon, as I understand it, every Shimano is factory set to have parallel line lay so no, I didn't use any of the small washers provided, I didn't need them, and every one came out spot on :)
@@matthewcollinsangler thankyou
Hi Matt. Can you tell me how much mirage fluorocarbon 0.35 line I can get on using a 3500 reducer. Thanks
Hi Craig, so the line capacity of the 3500 spacer is 200m of 0.20. If you put 0.35 mono onto the reel with this spacer you’ll only be able to fit 65m of line on the spool. I cannot imagine a situation where you’d want to do this. I’d suggest you use either the 10000 spacer which has a capacity of 392m of 0.35 or a 6000 spacer which will hold 240m of 0.35. Hope that helps. Cheers, Matt.
Good video. Which spacers would I use for a 150 meters of Thinking Anglers 0.34mm SBX braided mainline please.
Hi mate, firstly I’m a bit surprised by what you are using. 150m of braid is very little and TBH I wouldn't load up less than 250m. Also 0.34mm is very very heavy for a braided mainline. I’ve used .35 spiderwire which is rated at 90lbs for fishing weirs pools but that’s a specialist situation. If you have the XTD’s then you’ll have to use the 10000 spacers and put a load of backing line on to make up the difference. If you have the XTC’s then I’d use the 6000 spacers and I’d still add some backing unless you load more than 150m which is what I would do. Hope that helps. Cheers, Matt.
@@matthewcollinsangler Thanks Matt I am fishing Yateley North Lake and the furthest u fish is 17.5 Wraps. Most work is done near Islands so they can't run far and a lot of the members only load up with 33 wraps on their XTDs. The reel I am using is the new XTE and the line is the Thinking Anglers SBX 0.34mm 40lb 300 meters. I would like to do two rods with it so 150 on each.
The line values are the same on the box as the XTC
@@proanglingrecruitment Ah right okay. The 6000 holds 240m of 0.35 so that's 254m of 0.34. If you want to load 150m I would just load that as is and see how the level looks. I always underfill braid by 2-3mm anyway to prevent fraps ups. You can always add some backing line on top then reverse load it into the next spool. Best of luck, Matt.
@@matthewcollinsangler Many thanks for your help Matt I appreciate it
Hi Mark great Info. I’ve just bought some of these and the line I have bought is fox Exocet tapered in 12lb 0.3mm and some syncro XT in 18lb 0.4mm . So what do you think would be the best spacers. The tapered line can’t be cut coz it’s tapered both ends . Any advice would be great thank you .
Hi Matt, I’ll start with the Syncro XT. Personally I used the 6000 spacers with the 0.40 (18lbs) as I didn't need to load more than 200m on my spools. The max range I need to fish the 0.40 is 100m so 200m is fine for me. If I wanted/needed to fish further with the 0.40, I’d go for the 10000 spacers. If you bought the XTD and not the XTC then you won’t have 6000 spacers. You can either buy these separately or load the 0.40 on them. If that seems like too much line then add some backing line. I’ve never used these ready made lines with tapered leaders myself but I know that what you can do is this: Install a pair of 6000 spacers as they will hold a fair amount of 0.30 mono. Then load a spool (with the fat end of the taper on first) and max that out to the lip of the spool. Once you're happy, unload this from one spool onto a fresh spool and you’ll end up with a fully loaded perfectly brimmed spool with your tapered leader at the business end. Don’t forget that depending on the situation, you can cut down the fat end somewhat. Most of these come with 10 or even 15m of thicker material. This might be what you need in a snaggy situation but if you’re looking for max range I only want 6m of leader. That’s just enough to take the load of a full blooded cast. The trouble is that if you cut your tapered leader down to 6m, you're not going to have any spare if you need to chop any off. You might want to start at 8m, that'll give you a little extra to play with. That’s one of the reasons I don’t use these readymade lines with tapered ends. Hope that helps mate. Cheers, Matt.
@@matthewcollinsangler yes that’s great thank you , I’m like you with the 18mm , don’t think I’ll be fishing over 100m. I’ll do what you said with the tapered line , spool it up and then add the backup line for the perfect fit. Thanks again and all the best 👍🏼
@@mattduce9402 No worries mate, happy to help 👍
Some braids will slip on the spool, so that's the only reason I use mono backing. I noticed you didn't make any knots on the spool, nor between your backing and the main line. Why?
Because I was loading 300m of 0.30 mainline over the top and I never fish more than 120m distance, there’s absolutely no way that the backing line is going to come into play so there’s no need to tie a knot so I taped it. If I’m fishing at a long distance and there’s a risk of running out of line then absolutely I’d tie a knot.
Dear Matthew,
Where did you find that the capacity of the 6000 reducer is 240 / 0,35? If I look I see 200 / 0,30.
Nice and clear movie by the way.
Dear Ronald,
Shimano don’t give the capacity for these specific spacers (which is frustrating) and I’ve never found it on their site. However, all shimano reels have a size rating, 6000, 8000 etc and each size holds the same amount of line. So you can look up the line capacity of any 6000 Shimano reel and it’ll tell you how much it holds. For example, a Shimano baitrunner DL6000RB holds 240m of 0.35 line, and the ST6000RB holds exactly the same.
Hope that helps,
Matt.
Hi Matt. I’ve just been on your chat re poor line lay. Would I need to add a washer inside the spool to improve the line lay (Shimano 14000 Ci4).
My line lay is nothing like yours in this video
Darrell
Hi Darell, it sounds like something’s gone wrong with how the spool is sitting on the spindle… you’re either missing all of the washers or you’ve got twice as many as you should have. To be honest, you need to take it to a tackle shop or a reel service engineer.
Thanks Mathew. How much backing line would I have to put on to get 300m of 0.37 with the 10000 spacer. An backing line would be 0.35
The 10000 spacers hold 392m of 0.35 or 351m of 0.37. If you want to load 300m of 0.37 then you need to load 51m of 0.37 or 57m of 0.35. Cheers, Matt.
Hi mate is one full turn roughly a metre?
Yes I believe it is
@@benashton2882 Hi Ben, yes, one turn of the handle is 1.02m. to be exact 😃
Hi mate great video! On the 1400 xtd would I get 3 spools filled from a 0.37mm 1000m bulk spool without backing? Cheers
Thanks Rhys! So the 14000 xtd without any spool reducers holds 550m of 0.35. If you run the numbers on 0.37 that comes down 492m per spool. You've only got 333m per spool to play with so that's no good. If you add the 10000 spool reducers that comes out at 351m of 0.37 which is still too much. So you need to add some backing but not much. Use Calcline to workout exactly how much, it depends on the diameter of your backing. Hope that helps, Matt.
@@matthewcollinsangler thanks for the reply I’ve tried to find the calcline app but not sure if it’s available for iOS
@@matthewcollinsangler I have already got some 0.35 gt had so I may just leave some of that for backing
@@rhyswarren9962 Hi Rhys, ah yes that app is only available for Android sorry. Not to worry, follow this link and that should confirm my calculations and work out other line capacity calcs in the future: www.pattayafishing.net/fishing-reel-line-capacity-estimator/
@@rhyswarren9962 Yes mate, you only need 30-40m per spool and then you'll be able to max out you spools with the 0.37. Obviously you'll still need the 10000 spool reducers.
Hi mathew could you tell me how many yards of 0.38 backing I would need to put on the 6000 spacers to fit 200 meters of 0.28 braid on top many thanks.
Hi Peter, the maths says you’d need 95m of 0.38 backing to load 200m of 0.28 braid on the 6000 spacers. However I would only load on 50m of the backing to create the desired underfill level. Hope that works out for you. Cheers, Matt.
good evening matthew, i had a question, where did you find out that 240 meters of line 0.35 fits on the shimano ultegra 14000 xtc ci4+, i can't find anything anywhere, thanks in advance
Hi Mike, Shimano makes it very hard to find this information for sure but the way that spool sizing works is that any Shimano reel with a 6000, 8000, 10000 or 14000 size is directly comparable to another. I’m not sure where you got your numbers from but what you say isn't quite correct (sorry). Here’s the full list of line capacity for Shimano reels:
14000 holds 550m of 0.35
10000 holds 392m of 0.35
6000 holds 240m of 0.35
3500 holds 200m of 0.20
This information also applies to the spool reduction spacer system. Hope that clears things up for you. Cheers, Matt.
Hi Mathew could you tell me how much 0.28 braid would go on with the 3500 line reducers no backing or shock leader thank you.
Hi Peter, the 3500 spool reducers hold 200m of 0.20 braid. If the braid you have is 0.28 then you’ll only get 102m on the spool. Which won’t be good for anything. As a minimum I would use the 6000 reducers which will hold 375m of the braid. Don’t forget that it's very important not to overfill your spools with braid. I underfill mine by 2-3mm to avoid frap ups. If you have 300m of the 0.28 I would load it straight onto the 6000 reducers and see how that looks. Best of luck, Matt.
Hi Mathew I have purchased 3 ultegra xtc and I am going to fill the spare spools up with 0.28mm braid should I go with the 3500 spool shallower or the 6000 and under fill it I’m abit stuck in between
Tom Mercer
Hi Tom, the 3500 spacer with hold 200m of 0.20 braid which is okay but 0.28 is considerably thicker and according to my calculations you’d only get 102m on there. I don’t know what you are using the reels for but for me that’s nowhere near enough. The 6000 spacers hold 240m of 0.35 so with 0.28 line you’ll get 375m on them. Bear in mind that it's best to underfill braid to stop the dreaded wind knots. I’d take 25-50m off the number so you’re then in the region of 325m-350m which is more useful. Braid normally comes on 300m spools so you won’t need much backing to fill a spool to the level you need. Perhaps stick 30-40m of 0.35 line on there and go for it. Hope that helps, Cheers, Matt.
From America and the waters here are different so i mostly like to use braid.can i use it on this reel
Yes mate, absolutely, you could use the 3500 spacer which is good for 200m of 0.20 braid.
I just went and asked shimano and i think your 6000 size is out
Good afternoon,
The spool reducers:
3500-200m of 0.20
6000-200m of 0.30
10000-300m of 0.40
Kind regards,
Service Team
SHIMANO FISHING UK
Unit 2 Elm Court
Cool, thanks for that 👍 The way I worked out the numbers was to base it off other Shimano reels that are quoted as having a 6000 sized spool and ported those numbers across to the Shimano spool spacers. I use the information as a guide and tweak the fill level to suit my fishing. Good to have this info, and whatever numbers you use, it’s a guide that will put you in the right ballpark. Cheers, Matt.
@@matthewcollinsangler I was just looking at the mvspools and they had different sizes, so I could probably get away with using one of them without the spacers
Hi Matt I’m looking for a set of new reels for distance work. Would these be ok on a 13ft 3.5tc rod?
Hi Tim, yes, they would work, they’re a big spool reel therefore we’ll suited for distance work 👍
What's the point? I just put 300m of 30 lb mono on mine and I'm not sure if that will be enough, I'd feel better with 500m, so might have to put on some braid under the mono. I live on the coast just north of sydney australia. If your just playing around for skull draggers in little ponds like that, why not just use a big handline and some gloves. It's like getting a mack truck and putting 2 litres in it, crazy.
What are you going on about
@@aarondavies8486 The very small amount of line length on the reel. If I fish with less than 350 meters for example, there is a chance I'll loose the lot if I hook into a decent mulloway or pelagic etc. where I live. Why have such a large capacity reel if you only need a small amount of line? and they don't run very fast compared to saltwater either.
@Just me. get a better reel okuma 8k can hold like 800m of line
@Just me. its about being able to cast up to 200 yards from the bank and having a fast retrieval rate to that why and when your catching 60lb carp that's why we like the big pit reels as they are called here but your right some are just over kill biggest I go is 7000 size I can still cast 150yard just fine and I have just over 3.5 feet line retrieval with one full turn of the handle
@Just me. sonik has just bought a reel out all carbon holds 1k of line
as the line spacers have grip can they be used for backing for braided mainline
Hi, I’m not sure what you mean by grip and what that has to do with braid but the Shimano Ultegra 14000 xtc’s that I used in this video come with a 3500 spacer that is specifically designed to work with braid and can fit 200m of 0.20. That’s fine for a spod/marker reel but if you are using 0.30 braid at long range then you’d be better off using one of the other sets of spacers. They all work with braid. Hope that helps. Cheers, Matt.
Hi is the bail arm supposed to automatically click back over when you wind after a cast or not because mine doesn't, it just stays cocked and clicks as you wind then you have to manually replace the bail arm again ? Thanks
Hi there, modern big pit reels won't ever automatically close when you wind the handle. It's a safety thing, when you're casting big leads a long way. So you should always manually close the bail arm.
Hi mate I don’t have any reducers so looking at putting backing line on first.. I’m wanting to put 330 metres of .28 braided mainline on to a spool.. how much backing should I do first ? Cheers
Hi mate,
The capacity of the Ultegras 14000 is 550m of 0.35 mono. If you want to load 330m of 0.28 line, you’ll need to add 259m of 0.40 mono backing line.
@@matthewcollinsangler thanks mate. I have some 3500 reducers do you know how much line I could get on of the 0.28 braid?
@@benashton2882 102m of the 0.28 braid. I use this link: www.pattayafishing.net/fishing-reel-line-capacity-estimator/
Hi Matthew
I have just bought a set of ci4’ XTC’s for myself. But i have read some mixed reviews of them. Have you experienced any problems with the quality? Line guards snapping etc?
Have you felt the need to replace washers and so?
- Carl
Hi Carl, I’m happy to report that I’ve had zero issues with my XTC’s since I bought them over a year ago and I’ve used them a lot! I can definitely see how some anglers have snapped the line guard. If the line does go behind the spool and you continue to wind the handle this will put a lot of load on the guard and it will either force it out of the groove, or break it. This is not a failure of the product or the design, it's just not being used carefully.
The drag washers supplied with the reel are not the best and they don’t apply an even amount of drag force. You’ll find that if you play carp off the clutch, the spool will spin, then stop until more force is applied by you, or the carp. I can see how this would annoy some anglers. Personally for me, it’s not an issue as I don’t use the clutch for playing fish. Watch this video to learn why: th-cam.com/video/AGuXj4xKDow/w-d-xo.html
I’ve not bothered to change the washers but I know it can be done. I have no idea whether this is a successful work around for the issue or not I’m afraid.
Personally I’m very happy with the reels. The line lay is fantastic and they are super smooth. They are also lightweight and robust so what’s not to love? I’ve yet to find anything better and I’ve spent twice the money on some Daiwa’s that turned out to be all talk and no trousers. Cheers, Matt.
@@matthewcollinsangler Wow, thank you Matthew! It's so nice that you take your time to answer my question (and all of the other comments). That combined with your awesome videos makes you one of my favorite TH-camrs!
Really nice review, thank you again
@@carlfrederikbalslev5083 No worries mate, always happy to help 😊 We’ll probably do a full video review of these reels at some point.
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Cheers 👍
Hi Matthew, can you help me a bit as i don`t have an Android so can`t use the app.. I want to spool up 0.32mm on my 14000 XTD, but i don`t have the 6000 reducers, so i`m going to use the 10000. If i want to put 330m of 0.32 on the 10000s, how much backing line should i use - 0.35 or 0.38. Thanks!
Hi Mate, the 14000 with 10000 spacers holds 392m of 0.35 or 469m of 0.32. If you only want to load 330m of 0.32 then you need to add some backing line for sure. If you use 0.35mm backing line then you’ll need 116m of it. If you use 0.38 then you’ll need 99m. I would add a bit more backing line either way as if the maths are out your last spool will be under filled which could be a problem in certain situations. I normally shoot for 300m of mainline. Best of luck, Matt.
Hey matt i dont suppose you know how much line the 3500 and 10000 reducers take? Cheers
Hi Luke, sure so the 3500 reducers take 200m of 0.20 mono, the 10000 reducers take 400m of 0.35. Just put those numbers into Calcline and you can then calculate the actual line capacity for the diameter of line you’re using. Cheers, Matt.
@@matthewcollinsangler cheers matt 👍
3500- line 0.30
Hi Mathew i have a question if thats ok ,, i have the 14000 XTE REELS so same as these spool wise i imagine, i want to use the gthd line @15lb ,,0.35 and the spool of line has 1030 meters on , my question as a novice is , would i get 3 fully loaded spools using the 10,000 reducers out of the spool of line .
Regards
Mal
Hi Mal, no unfortunately that’s not going to work. The 10000 spacers hold 392m of 0.35 and you only have 343m (absolute max). I’d play safe and add 50m of backing line on first and that will give you more margin of error. Best of luck, Matt.
@@matthewcollinsangler thanks Matt, i set about loading the spools today,, i added the 10000 reducers to the spools (x2 spools per reel) , the bulk spool of Gthd 0.35 holds 1030m ,, i took one full spool to load the 2 reel spools so each spool with the 10000 spacers on took 515 m to load , sound correct ?
@@rhiodnstar As I said, the 10000 spacers hold 392m of 0.35 so if you’ve squeezed on 515m you’ve overloaded them by 123m which is a lot. Without seeing the spools myself, I can’t say whether the data is wrong or whether you’ve overloaded them but your results are surprising to say the least. I believe the Shimano numbers to be right if a little on the conservative side. Maybe it’s a bit of both. You’ll soon know which when you try and fish with them. If you get wind knots then you’ve definitely put too much on. Best of luck, Matt.
Hi did you use any of the small washers what are provided when spooling with line
Hi Simon, as I understand it, every Shimano is factory set to have parallel line lay so no, I didn't use any of the small washers provided, I didn't need them, and every one came out spot on :)
Hello just brought shimano 14000 xtd how much line does a 1000 reducer take of 0.37mm line please
Hi Paul, the 3500 is designed for braid, not mono. Its capacity is 200m of 0.20 so based on the maths that's 58m of 0.37. You need to use the 10000 spacer as you don't get a 6000 spacer as standard on the XTD. The 10000 spacer will hold 351m of 0.37 so if you are using 1000m of Nash Bullet which is 0.37 then you’ll need to add a at least 20m of backing in order to make it do 3x spools. Hope that helps, Cheers, Matt.
@@matthewcollinsangler brilliant cheers Matthew 👍🎣
Hello, I would like to wind 0.35 mm on Ultegra XTC, which reducer should I use???
Hi mate, I’m going to assume that you have the 14000 size as possessedopposed to the 5500. It also depends on how much 0.35mm mono you want to load. The 1000 spacers will accept 392m which is quite a lot but if you are fishing at long range with a boat then you might need that. The 6000 spacers might be closer to what you need as they hold 240m of 0.35mm but you don’t get the 6000 spacers as standard on the XTD reels so you’ll either have to buy them separately or use the 10000 spacers and add some cheap backing line first before loading the 0.35mm. Cheers, Matt.
Did you put any of the washers in that come with the reels to get the parallel line lay?
Hi Richard, as far as I understand, when you buy a new reel from Shimano, each one has had the appropriate number of washers added or taken away to achieve a perfectly parallel line lay. This is because of how the manufacturing tolerances stack up in each finished reel. So the answer to your question is no, I didn't add or remove any washers because when I loaded the reels, the line lay was perfectly parallel. If it wasn't TBH I’d return the reel as there may be more at fault with it that could cause problems down the line. Not that I’ve ever had that with any Shimano reel though. Hope that helps. Cheers, Matt.
Hi Matt where did you get the ‘calcline’ app
Hi Ray, Calcline is available on the google play store as a free download for android. If you have an iphone then try this free online calculator that you can use from any browser: www.pattayafishing.net/fishing-reel-line-capacity-estimator/
Calcline has a few more features but this page should tell you what you need to know. Cheers, Matt.
Thanks Matt
I am thinking of getting that reel the braid I use ie Berkley whiplash 8 crystal which diameter I 0*10 = 32llb breaking strain
What size of packers do I need for 300meters
@@albertlennox7625 Hi Albert, I'm not sure what type of fishing you are doing but for me 32lb 0.1mm line is very fine and it will be difficult to achieve good knot strength. Sure it will cast a very long way but personally I wouldn't use anything that thin without a very good reason. The thinnest braid I use is 0.25 and that's for spodding and marker work. I understand that it's rated at 32lbs but if you can achieve 50% knot strength you'll be doing very well. In terms of spacers the 3500 spacer are the ones you need and they are only available with the XTC model, not the XTD. The 3500 spacers have a rated capacity of 200m of 0.2mm line so they would hold a whopping 800m of 0.1mm! If you still want to use the 32lb whiplash I'd just load 300m onto the 3500 spacers. It's good practice to underload braid anyway to avoid wind knots. Don't forget to use a shock leader. I'd use a braided leader such as the Nash 50lb. Cheers, Matt.
We glue out snoods in place with Pro tronic sleeves and glue all knots and line is better fine as it has less friction in a running tide .and therefore can hold the bottom with less weight.
How much line will I get on my spool of 0.37 with 6000 line reducer spacer
Hi Lee, the 6000 spacers hold 240m of 0.35mm line so if you are loading 0.37 you’ll get 215m on the spool. If you are only fishing relatively small lakes then this is plenty but for some anglers 215m would not be enough. Cheers, Matt.
Hi mate.. I will be spooling with pb products control which is 18lb and diameter is 0.30.. using the biggest line reducers do you know roughly how much line I’d get on each spool cheers
Hi Ben, bear in mind that the knot strength will be 50% or less of stated strain. It's the diameter which counts. 0.30 is good for distance but it's no match for pads etc. I assume you have the XTDs? They come with two spool reducers. The XTCs come with 3. The largest spool reducers on the XTDs is 6000 (I think!) So they are good for 327m of 0.30. Hope that helps. Cheers, Matt.
@@matthewcollinsangler thanks for then reply mate.. yes I have the xtds 14000. I believe I have a 10000 and 3500 reducer mate couldn’t see any 6000 in the box
@@benashton2882 Right okay so the 10000 reducers hold 392m of 0.35 so they are good for 534m of 0.30, you'll need to add backing. Cheers, Matt.
Hi mate I’ve decided to go with daiwa sensor which is 0.37 which spacers would be best to fill the spools with say 300m of line
@@benashton2882 I would use the 10000 spacer. It’s stated capacity is 392m of 0.35 which means it will hold 351m of 0.37. If you aren't worried about maxing out your spool you could just load 300m onto each and go with that. Personally I would add some backing first to properly fill the spool.
Hi Mathew I’ve been using my reels for a season now and I’m not convinced that the clutches on these ci4 are as smooth as they should be .I changed the washers for some carbon ones and I’m still not sure what to think what’s your input on this thanks for the informative video 👍
Hi Gary, so I stopped playing carp on the clutch quite a few years ago so I don’t notice the clutch much in my fishing. I do fish semi-tight clutches though and I find mine spin well when required. I did notice when mine were new that the clutch force varies a fraction as the spools spins so you get a slight variation in tension. A mate of mine had exactly the same so I guess it’s just the way they are. I would have thought that carbon washers would have eliminated this variance but perhaps not. Having had top end Diawa’s I would say the Diawa’s have the best clutches but the Shimano gearing is far superior in smoothness and they are super strong and reliable. I sold my Basia’s after 5 years as I basically killed them (well my catfish had lol.) Personally I wouldn't worry too much. Maybe one day the clutches will be smoother but for now it is as it is I guess? Hope that helps. Cheers, Matt.
Get ice washers not carbon ones
So confused with this ... Ive got 2x the Shimano ultegra 14000 xtd .... Im getting some 0.33mm line of 1000m ... Do i use the 3.500 or 10000 spacer ... Will 1000 m be enough for 3.500 spacer for 2 reels ... ?
The 3500 spacer is designed for use with braid and can only hold 200m of 0.20 braid. If you try to use the 3500 spacer with 0.33mm mono you’ll only be able to load 73m of line onto each spool which isn't very much.
So you are going to have to use the 10000 spacers with the 0.33mm mono. The trouble is that the capacity of those spacers is a whopping 444m and you only have 1000/3 = 333m maximum available per spool which will leave you 110m short on every spool. If you are only casting 70 yards then this isn't going to affect your fishing too much but if you want to hit 100 plus then you’ll probably struggle. The solution is to load backing line onto the spool before you load the mainline. I can’t tell you how much to load because I don’t know the diameter of the backing line but if you visit this website and use the advanced calculator then that will help with the maths: www.pattayafishing.net/advanced-fishing-reel-line-capacity-estimator/
We will publish a video later this year on this very topic. Best of luck and I hope that helps, Cheers, Matt.
@@matthewcollinsangler thanks for fast reply mate .... I did say this wrong tho my fault ... I've got 2x Shimano ultegra 14000 xtd reels and I've got 1000m of mono line ... Would I have enough line to do both reels using the 10000 spacers
@@gerrygallant9155 Right! Ah you’ve got no bother then mate. The 14000’s with the 10000 spacers will hold 444m of 0.33mm so you have 1000/2 = 500m per spool to play with so that’s 56m per spool spare so even if you need a bit extra to really max them out you’ll be absolutely fine. Best of luck, Matt.
@@matthewcollinsangler thanks so much mate ... Tight lines 😁
Good video
Thanks mate 👍
Hello Matthew, please can you hellp my? I whant use 0.24mm they sell only 300m spol line end now i dont now what reduction to use for , shimano ultegra ci4+ 14000.Thank you 🤝
Hi mate, you don’t mention whether that is mono or braid. 0.24mm is very fine for specimen carp fishing and should only be used by long distance carp fishing experts IMO. The finest mono I use is 0.33. If you still want to use 0.24mm then you could choose the 6000 spacers but those are only available on the XTC model (as featured in this video). If you are using the XTD then you may be limited to the 10000 spacer only (I’m guessing here).
Let’s say you do have the 6000 spacer, they can hold 240m of 0.35mm. At 0.24mm they hold 510m. That's fine but you are still going to need backing (a lot of it depending on the diameter of the backing line). Without knowing the diameter of the backing line I can’t help you further. You can try this online calculator: www.pattayafishing.net/advanced-fishing-reel-line-capacity-estimator/
The other option is to use the 3500 spacer (if you have it). The trouble is you’ll only be able to fit 139m of line on, which depending on what you are doing might not be nearly enough. Best of luck, Matt.
Where did you find out how much line the 6000 spacer would fit. I just got one and want to find out how much line the 10000 spacer would fit? So I can use the app
Hi mate, yeah so you can find that info directly from Shimano. The 6000 spacers take the same amount of line as any 6000 sized Shimano spool so that’s 240m of 0.35 mono. To save you trolling for the data on the other sizes, here’s what you need: the 3500 reducers take 200m of 0.20 mono and the 10000 reducers take 400m of 0.35 mono. Hope that answers your question 😊 Cheers, Matt.
That is Matt. That is perfect I have app and for no spacers and my 24lb .16 braid at 500 meters I needed 600 meters of .30 mm mono. That's way to much. Really appreciate it. Thank you
@@Freespoons1 Great mate, glad I could help 👍
Lined it up today 260m of .35 mono and 300 of .23 braid. Absolutely perfect if I could send a pick I would it's perfect. Thanks again Matt.
@@Freespoons1 Hi mate, ah that’s great! Glad you found it useful. If you’d like to email me a pic just send it over to matt@frenchcarpandcats.com. Cheers, Matt.
hi mate just bought the ultegra xtd and it comes with two different fillers but i’m not quite sure what they mean. i want to put around 300 give or take of 0.37m line should i put the 10000 filler or the other one on it?
Hi Jay, so if you want to put 300m of 0.37 you’ll need to use the 10000 spacers. The 3500 spacers are for low diameter braid etc. The line capacity with the 10000 spacers in place is quoted by Shimano as 350m of 0.35. If I put that info. and the line you want to put into the CalcLine app, it says that if you use 0.37 you can fit on 313m of mainline onto each spool. If you are doing 3 spools, that’s OK (just) if you’ve bought 1000m of line as there is 333m available per spool.
If you only have 900m to play with, you’ll have to add some backing line before you put on the 300m of 0.37 or your spools won’t be filled properly. Use the Calcline app if you need to add backing: just enter the diameter of the backing line you’re using, then enter a target amount of main line of say 290m, then add the amount of leader (or not) that you normally use and it will then tell you how much backing line to use. Don’t forget to count the turns when you’re spooling as it’s easy to misjudge and under/overfill the spools.
Hope that makes sense! Cheers, Matt.
Matthew Collins cheers mate what a brilliant reply it’s a 945m spool so shall i just decide that by 3 and do that many turns? not bothered about backing line or leader
@@Jay-xl6ll Hi Jay, yes so at 945m you'll just have enough to do the 3 spools. All you gotta do is count the turns! Happy spooling, Matt.
Hi Matthew.
I have a little dilemma.
I am now the owner of a Shimano Ultegra spod XTD, i have never owned a reel like this before, also in the box were some adjustment washers as they say to help create the "winding shape?
I was going to put some braded line on tmw, but not sure what i have to do with the washers, if any thing.
Do i need to do any thing with them? or can i go ahead and fill up my spool.
Cheers.
Hi Ray, I totally understand your dilemma. What these washers do is change how the line goes onto the spool. By default, every Shimano is “factory set” to create a flat profile from the back of the spool to the front of the spool, iI.e. after filling the spool, if you measure the diameter of the loaded line at the back, then at the front of the spool the measurement will be very close if not identical. These winding washers can change the shape of the winding profile from a forward taper (lower diameter at the front), through to a backward taper (higher diameter at the front). I’ve used Shimano of various types for many years and I’ve never felt the need to adjust the winding shape from the factory set flat profile. In others words, load your braid and it should come out flat which works just fine. One word of warning when loading braid is don’t overfill the spool. Braid is very prone to “wind knots” which is when more than one loop of line comes off the spool at a time. If you under fill your spool, you’ll virtually eliminate this risk and will be able to cast hard into even in severe crosswinds. I aim for 1-2mm down from the lip. Don’t forget to add 6m of robust leader material to absorb the force of the cast. Sunset’s Amnesia is an effective and cheap option. Hope that helps, Cheers, Matt.
@@matthewcollinsangler Thank you Matthew, that is very clear and concise. So i can go ahead and just put my braid on the reel straight out of the box.
Do i need to do anything to the braid before hand, as you would do to mono line before you load it, ie soak it.
When you say do not over fill, would filling it to the bottom shoulder that is on the spool be ok?
@@raybriggs4529 Hi Ray, yes no need to soak braid as it’s hydrophobic i.e. it doesn't absorb any water. Not sure quite what you mean by the shoulder. When I do it I’m measuring from the maximum diameter of the front lip of the spool. The 1-2mm is a radial dimension from that lip to the top of the line (If that makes sense). If you're still stuck send an email to me at matt @frenchcarpandcats.com and I’ll send you a photo :)
@@matthewcollinsangler Many thanks.
@@raybriggs4529 My pleasure 👍
where we can download the calcline app?
Hi mate, the Calcline app is only available on Android. If you have an iPhone you can use this online calculator instead: www.pattayafishing.net/fishing-reel-line-capacity-estimator/
Hi Matt. Brilliant if somewhat daunting video as I'm not the best when it comes to maths. But before biting the bullet and getting to grips with your advice, I noticed that the start of your video states the instructions are for C14+ models XTD; XSC; XTC. I have just purchased the C14+ 14000 XTB reel so be great if you could advise if the info in your video is relevant for this variant, or what do I need to bear in mind when loading line onto these particular reels?
Hi Valentine, thanks for commenting and sorry if it all got a bit technical for you! The important number here is the 14000 bit. I’m sorry that I missed the XTB version off the compatibility list. The instructions for spooling your reels are exactly the same as for the XTD and the XTC. Hope that helps! If you get stuck, just leave it here and I’ll get back to you. Cheers, Matt.
@@matthewcollinsangler
Hi Matt
Many thanks for the clarification and apologies if my rather OCD question appeared to draw attention to minor errors in the video as I in no way meant to criticise the presentation of what is an excellent instructional and informative piece. Appreciate your offer to help further with my quest to effectively spool these complicated bits of kit and will more than likely take you up on kind offer (promise not to stalk you or try to be your new best friend :)
Have another question that I'm wondering if you could please help me with. Have owned Shimano bait runners reels for decades. But the C14 front drag concept is fairly new to me although I understand the principle and benefits of a front drag in the smooth playing of fish - the main reason for purchasing these reels. My question to you if you could please help me get my head round is;
How does the front drag system on the C14 relate to the classic bait runner set up?
Would I be right in assuming that the small wheel within the large silver control is the clutch, and the large silver control is the bait runner function, or Is it the other way round, or is it a combination of both? (as there are only two controls on my C14’s for bait-runner/drag function and standard bait runners have three)
Basically, having trouble locating instructions for this model. There’s lots of mainly marketing fluff out there saying how good it reel is, but can't find anything that explains how to use it effectively! So if you know of anywhere I could go to make myself smart in this area that would be great...
@@valentinetomin8046 Hi Valentine, no worries mate. It’s what we do here! The transition from baitrunner to quick drag is a big change. I made the switch a long time ago but I remember very well that the transition took some adjusting too! I’ve never owned the Shimano XTB system but I’m familiar with how it works as I’ve had a little play. Personally I prefer the classic and much simpler system of the XTD or the XTC. One knob, short travel from loose to tight. It does all I need.
I think the best way to understand the Shimano XTB system is to see the silver (outer) knob as a coarse drag adjustment and the smaller (inner) wheel as a finer adjustment. If you fully tighten the large silver knob then this tightens the clutch to the level at which the smaller inner drag is set. Think of this as the playing clutch setting. If you back off the inner it will allow some slip just like the playing clutch does on a bait runner. If you need to make a coarser or quicker adjustment you can also slacken the silver outer knob but bear in mind that one click on this will have a greater effect than one click on the inner.
To set the reel in a bait runner config just slacken the silver outer by one quarter or one half turn (can’t remember how far it goes lol!)
Note: I always fish a semi tight clutch as I want to control the carp from the off. See my video here for more info: th-cam.com/video/j_NSmA2CtQQ/w-d-xo.html. Also note that when casting a big distance you need to screw the clutch down very tight so you might need to tighten the inner wheel to the max to achieve this with this system. It’s a personal thing but I do not play carp off the clutch. I explain why in this video: th-cam.com/video/pf1m8FJIP6k/w-d-xo.html
Right, that's probably enough info for you to digest this time round! Hope it helps you out mate. Cheers, Matt.
@@matthewcollinsangler Thanks Matt. Must have watched most of your back catalogue and have to say it's an impressive body of work. Can I cut to the chase and ask you which spacers should I use to stick around 150 to 200m of 0.3 diameter line on the XTB spool?
@@valentinetomin8046 Hi Valentine, ah, some of those videos are a bit old now, we’ve been doing this for a few years lol. So the problem is that there is no spool spacer available that will achieve those numbers. The 3500 spacer would only hold 89m of 0.3 and the 6000 spacer would hold 327m. So your only option is to use the 6000 spacers and load 327m or add some backing line to the 6000 spacer to achieve the 200m + backing line. If you want to go down the backing line route, if I knew the diameter of the backing line you want to use I can calculate how many meters of backing line you require. Hope that helps. Cheers, Matt.
Hello mate would this hold more line than my emblem5000t black editions
Hi mate, in short yes definitely! Without spacers the max capacity of the Ultegra XTD or XTC is 550m of 0.35 mono, the Daiwa emblem 5000T black edition is 370m of 0.35. Cheers, Matt.
Any idea how much the 3500 reducers hold in 0.35?
The short answer is not a lot! It’s rated at 200m for 0.20 which works out at 65m at 0.35. You’ll need to use the 6000 capacity spacers as a minimum for 0.35 mono. Cheers, Matt.
Hey Matthew, really nice video. I have this reel arriving today, so it's quite timely I'm watching. Do you not tie each different line together with a double uni or other knot - just the cell tape?
Hi David, thanks for commenting and for your support. I'm glad that you liked the video. I used to tie the different lines together but it always creates a bump in the line lay so I decided just to tape them in place instead. As long as you are loading plenty of line onto the spool and not fishing at massive range, then the risk of this tape ever coming close to the surface should be very low (or even non-existent). Hope that helps. Happy spooling and enjoy the reels. I love mine :) Cheers, Matt.
Hi Matt, I have followed your instructions. I have used the 10000 spacer and put 400m of 0.35 line on, however, my spool doesn’t look anywhere near as full as yours does. I would say it is 2mm short of where the lip starts to angle out. Where as yours is up to the lip. Any help would be greatly appreciate
Hi mate, I have to say I’m a bit lost with what’s gone wrong for you here. I can only think of 2 possible explanations. 1) The line you are using is not actually 0.35 (mislabelled?). 2) You haven't put 400m on the spool (maybe by miscounting the revolutions??). Once you’ve installed a matching pair of 10000 spacers onto the spool there’s no way that you’d be short. I have an old set of 10000 capacity shimano reels (without spacers) and the capacity is 392m of 0.35. Something somewhere doesn't add up… Don’t know what else to say mate.
@@matthewcollinsangler nice one for getting back to me. I just gauged the line with some digital callipers and the line is actually .33. label on the line (Fox Xocet) is .35. My callipers could be out not sure. I have the XTD so maybe one revolution is different to your model.
Maybe a combination of this is causing a huge discrepancy. I will come up with something so I can spool up all 3 with whats left. Thank again for your help
@@justhchuk2865 Ok Yeah it might not sound much but each hundredth of a mm makes a big difference in terms of number of meters. What I’d do might sound a bit mad but go with me! Load some old backing line on top of your new line until it’s exactly where you want it to be. Then tape/tie the end of the backing line onto a fresh (empty) spool. Then transfer that from one reel to another. You’ll end up with a perfectly filled spool then! Take note of how much backing line you needed and you’ll be able to do the next one right first time (hopefully). Hope that helps! Cheers, Matt.
@@matthewcollinsangler I have learnt that today haha.
That’s exactly what I have already done - except I never counted how much backing to do the second and third 🤭 when I do the second I will make sure I count to be able to do the 3rd. Thanks for your time it’s much appreciated
@@justhchuk2865 Pleasure mate 👍
No need to tie the braid on the spool?
Doesn't matter either way. You can tape it, or tie it. It’s not going to come under any load unless you get spooled out. If that does happen, whether it’s taped or tied the fish is lost either way.
is it worth buying
Reels are a very personal choice. For my needs, they are very good.
I only got a 10000 and 3500 spacer no 6000 with my speedmaster 14000xtc
Not familiar with the speedmaster. It's only the Ultegra ci4 XTC that comes with a full set of spacers. Not sure whether you can buy a 6000 spacer separately for your reels. For most situations you'll just have to use the 10000 spacer. Nothing wrong with adding some backing line over the top of a 10000 spacer before loading your mainline. Cheers, Matt.
@@matthewcollinsangler thankyou
How much does it cost
Hi Pat, the reels I use in this video cost around €250 each. Cheers, Matt
Can’t not find the app 🤨
Hi Frank, apologies, when I made the video I was not aware that it was only for Android phones. However here’s a link to an online line capacity calculator that works great and is totally free: www.pattayafishing.net/fishing-reel-line-capacity-estimator/ Cheers, Matt.
Не плохая мясорубка, а сколько денег стоит
You spooling without putting tension on the line that will cause problems when you do cast...
Maybe it's not clear in the video but I do hold the line in my fingers above the reel during the spooling. You also get drag from the spool spinning in the water. I have no issues when I cast out. Cheers, Matt
I bought I pair of these reels and they are without doubt the worst reels I have ever owned with regards too line tangles, the line is continuous going under the line guard, even removing a lot of line so it doesn’t spill off so easily doesn’t help. Going to go back to my old shimano baitrunners .