I am sooo happy they finally got away from the fixed sample-chain drumkits. THis is one of the biggest changes for me. Now I only need an OP-XY :D Also, that was a very musical sounding "HEY"
@@SONWU my man is scouring all of youtube just as the rest of us :D - what more reasons do you as an opz lover need still? my last excuse is: xy chopping workflow is still garbage.
@@SONWU actually for me the lack of audio recording is the one thing that keeps me away from exchanging my op1f for the op-xy. if it was only lets say 2 minutes sampling (better 6 of course), one could finally do it all with one maschine. bummer...
I also get the feeling they compliment each other well, too- preparing samples on the field to be sliced and diced on the xy. Or using the fields master effects to punch up (pun intended) the xy sounds. Or having some loops going on the field in sync with some sequenced stuff on the xy. Or recording an xy performance to field album (still can't believe xy doesnt have any way to record a performance :FF...)
Since you have both the field and the xy, I'd appreciate if you could check what happens if you connect the field as a midi controller via bluetooth to xy and play the field keyboard while xy active track is punch in effects or tape or any other aux track. Field's probably triggering the corresponding action on the currently active aux track. But maybe with different midi channels you could play punch in fx on the xy while the field live played a sound on the xy. Jeez that would be cool.
Hmm interesting 🤔 thanks for the suggestion - will add it to the list! When just playing on the XY if you have recorded a sequence on the punch-in FX and live play another track it still does get affected by the punch-in. I figure the resultat would be the same with a midi controller 🤔
I'd really like to see how the sampling engine works for multisamples, in the LOOP section in particular. Is there any sort of Auto Looping? Even the Akai S612, their very first rack sampler, has excellent auto looping for stuff like basic waveforms. It just works. S1000 auto loop, when chosen does a good job as well, and I've always used it when making multisamples because, let's face it, looping a full multisample key group sucks ASS
I’m wondering if someone can do testing with midi sequencing of external hardware synths. Especially if it’s capable of recording cc information from external hardware like modwheel/aftertouch filter sweeps etc.
(some suggestions or more like just my own desires) I would like to see closer shots of the device and less of the frame. (frame isn't bad and creates a good layout, but I just want more close ups of the unity or screen.) occasionally zooming in would be fun to see. Also I think the iconography is really cool and highlighting it a bit would be fun. Maybe breaking down what you think the symbol means and how it relates to audio and its function or inspiration.
thank you for your feedback! that means a lot and i will consider it. if you've seen some of my older videos i did a lot of b-roll, close ups, zoom ins, text on screen etc. and i love it. but it took soooo long making those videos that i got burnt out. now i'm trying to get going making long form content again and I'm doing baby steps. right now this format works for me. i will try to make it more snappy tho. but baby steps right now... :)
Thanks a lot for this (or not... now I want it more with this question answered) Using the multi sampler to create a split keyboard patch didnt even cross my mind. Or placing some drum sounds in left hand; There must be a limit to the overall user patches of samples, wondering where that is. I mean... imagine 50 user patches times 24 samples times 20 seconds: 24 thousand seconds of samples :o
at the moment it's no fun news to report about this. You get audio over USB but no export features other then record the main outs. hopefully they'll update this soon tho!
Could you show how the xy handles chopping? moving in and out points by hand per key for longer samples is really annoying. also with the xy you would also have to select the sample first from the library, right? funnily enough the fields limitation here takes away an additional step. I'm really hoping theres a faster way of chopping like playing the sample and simply press the keys as you go.
Nice video thanks for info, although stop saying ‘stretching’ because I got excited thinking it was time stretching each sample over the pitch range 😂 when I fact it just pitches them. Wonder why they didn’t include the video stuff ?
haha sorry, always hard to not mess up the terminology when you're not a native english speaker. I totally expect there to be proper timestretching in the future tho!
So does the multi sampler spread 1 recoded sample across all keys with the same time stretch? Or do you need to sample different notes of a sample to cover the entire keyboard? Also does the XY have at least external sustain with a midi controller? Thats the one big thing for me that the OP-1 Field is still missing.
If you only record one sample then it Will spread it across all keys. But this will produce audio artifacts when you stray to far away from the recorded pitch. So yeah, multisampling allows you to record notes across a few octaves to reduce the artifacts and make a better sound. Or you can use it as i did in the end - for splitting your keyboard
just curios, but when you sample from the op-1f into the op-xy, can you sample via usb audio using a usb-c cable rather than an analog cable? or will you blow something up?
I'm sorry to spam you with questions :D:D - but how does pitch shifting effect sample playback? I could not make it out in your demo; on field they simply change the playback time. No warping or anything. I guess its the same on xy, right?
Yeah 20 seconds times 24 slots on 8 tracks!! There isn’t a copy-paste function from one key to the next tho. But i bet they will add it soon. It’s already there on OP-1 i think
@@Farold_Haltermeyer I own the OP1f, but for me the whole point was to have one mobile device for all. dont want to carry op-xy and OP1f both with me only for recording. specially with the extended midi implementation it makes no sense. of course you want to record the synths you connect to the op-xy. the 20s limit is purely a random virtual software limit, this should be changend, its nonsense.
Too bad the Sampletrek sounds like shit otherwise it would be all of these samplers together in a 300usd box. Please do not fuckin pay 2200 for a limited sampler .
I just don’t get why the 8gb of storage. At least 20 to 30gb or even 60gb to compete with what’s on the market especially in regard in what it can do lol
My guess is maybe the type of chip they use as storage is better than say a typical ssd chip. Maybe its more like ram. Or its optimized to be very low power usage. I dont know but i suspect it was a delibrate choice and not them trying to save a buck. But maybe i am wrong I hope we get some info on the internals components soon. Maybe i will look into it…..
Lets say you record something into one shot sampler, just for fun, but you don't save the preset (I assume like on field user presets must be saved deliberately?) - now, without saving the preset you load another engine. Is the previously recorded sample still in the sample library? If yes, you'd really have to keep things clean in order not to fill up the inevitable sample limit of the machine.
I am a TE fan boy too but come on be honest. Saying 8 GB is great for the price this thing costs is ridiculous. The ableton move runs off a raspberry pi with a 64 gb memory stick. I am still a TE fan boy that ordered an op-xy but raving about some of this things features makes us seem foolish. The best thing to compare the op-xy to is a custom guitar or grand piano. In the world of grooveboxes the op-xy and op-1 are just premium devices. If you want to learn to play the guitar you dont get a custom fender stratocaster. But if you love guitars and have the money to spend you shouldn't be ashamed of spending $5,000 or more on a guitar.
@@briannhinton while true, thats an arbitrarily low bar. the competition is what we should be comparing to. yes, it is significantly more, but what (except cost, I guess?) kept them from doing 16, 32 or even 64? Would be a lot more future proof for whatever they (or us) plan on doing with this thing. One thing's sure... for that money I want that thing to stay relevant a long time.
You call 20s samples a lot? The digitakt 2 can get 66s samples in 48khz and it's less than half the price of this machine. Seems kind of pathetic to me.
well you need to have Digitakt 2 attached to a speaker, microphone and a current in order to work don/t ya? In a computer you can sample 1TB and its half the price of a DTII...relativity my boy
But the DTK2 is just a sampler, it's certainly not a synth and it doesn't have the same portability and performance potential as this OP XY, I like the Elektron stuff and they're beautiful instruments but you can't compare a sampler with a groovebox like OP XY. Even if we talk about immediacy in composing and arranging a song and then improvising on it, all "takt" are great machines but in my humble opinion the T.E. this time it really outdid the competition.
It's not 20s total. It's a per-sample cap. You can have lots of 20s samples. I've been making music for 35 years and I've never had a sample come near 20 seconds. Try to fully exhale and hold your breath for 20 seconds? You can do it but it's not enjoyable. I can't think of a single song in the music that has a 20 second sample.
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I am sooo happy they finally got away from the fixed sample-chain drumkits. THis is one of the biggest changes for me.
Now I only need an OP-XY :D
Also, that was a very musical sounding "HEY"
Me too! If they add sample chopping and time stretch it will be an amazing beatmaking machine!
Hahaha thank you bro 😁🙏
@@Shimmery.mp3 Absolutely, for me chopping is already enough!
@@SONWU my man is scouring all of youtube just as the rest of us :D - what more reasons do you as an opz lover need still? my last excuse is: xy chopping workflow is still garbage.
@@reneeschke Haha…I don't need reason, but I need ¥ 😂
@@SONWU actually for me the lack of audio recording is the one thing that keeps me away from exchanging my op1f for the op-xy. if it was only lets say 2 minutes sampling (better 6 of course), one could finally do it all with one maschine. bummer...
Thanks for posting. The sound quality from this device is amazing. Mine arrives next week!
Glad i could help! Let me know if you post some music with the XY :)
This was the most informative video on the XY for sampling that I've seen, thank you!
That makes me so happy to hear! Thank you for watching and spreading positivity! 🙏🤩
Agree! Great work! And I was hoping to see something like this from you! ;) Thanks & cheers!
Thank you @sonicultura glad to have you around!
Loving all the sampling engines!
me too! Very well done stuff
they actually look good together
I agree! 🥹
I also get the feeling they compliment each other well, too- preparing samples on the field to be sliced and diced on the xy. Or using the fields master effects to punch up (pun intended) the xy sounds. Or having some loops going on the field in sync with some sequenced stuff on the xy. Or recording an xy performance to field album (still can't believe xy doesnt have any way to record a performance :FF...)
@@reneeschke it doesnt record performance what do you mean? i thought you could record automation to the sequencer?
Since you have both the field and the xy, I'd appreciate if you could check what happens if you connect the field as a midi controller via bluetooth to xy and play the field keyboard while xy active track is punch in effects or tape or any other aux track. Field's probably triggering the corresponding action on the currently active aux track. But maybe with different midi channels you could play punch in fx on the xy while the field live played a sound on the xy. Jeez that would be cool.
Hmm interesting 🤔 thanks for the suggestion - will add it to the list! When just playing on the XY if you have recorded a sequence on the punch-in FX and live play another track it still does get affected by the punch-in. I figure the resultat would be the same with a midi controller 🤔
I'd really like to see how the sampling engine works for multisamples, in the LOOP section in particular. Is there any sort of Auto Looping? Even the Akai S612, their very first rack sampler, has excellent auto looping for stuff like basic waveforms. It just works. S1000 auto loop, when chosen does a good job as well, and I've always used it when making multisamples because, let's face it, looping a full multisample key group sucks ASS
I’m wondering if someone can do testing with midi sequencing of external hardware synths. Especially if it’s capable of recording cc information from external hardware like modwheel/aftertouch filter sweeps etc.
Thanks for the suggestion! :)
(some suggestions or more like just my own desires) I would like to see closer shots of the device and less of the frame. (frame isn't bad and creates a good layout, but I just want more close ups of the unity or screen.) occasionally zooming in would be fun to see. Also I think the iconography is really cool and highlighting it a bit would be fun. Maybe breaking down what you think the symbol means and how it relates to audio and its function or inspiration.
thank you for your feedback! that means a lot and i will consider it. if you've seen some of my older videos i did a lot of b-roll, close ups, zoom ins, text on screen etc. and i love it. but it took soooo long making those videos that i got burnt out. now i'm trying to get going making long form content again and I'm doing baby steps. right now this format works for me. i will try to make it more snappy tho. but baby steps right now... :)
Thanks a lot for this (or not... now I want it more with this question answered)
Using the multi sampler to create a split keyboard patch didnt even cross my mind. Or placing some drum sounds in left hand;
There must be a limit to the overall user patches of samples, wondering where that is. I mean... imagine 50 user patches times 24 samples times 20 seconds: 24 thousand seconds of samples :o
Glad i could help! :) I think you’re right. XY will probably lag out at some point. Or it only cares about the 8gb of memory?
I’d be curious to know if I drop a 20+ second sample in via USB if itll work.
that's a good question! Will have to investigate that one!
Digitakt II has some bugs as well. When I record a new sample and assign it to a track, I have to power cycle to get it to start playing.
oh that's not cool dude :(
How long does the battery last in the digitakt II?
What about exporting projects in your daw?
Probably Audio file
at the moment it's no fun news to report about this. You get audio over USB but no export features other then record the main outs. hopefully they'll update this soon tho!
What is the export process? Does it easily stem out to your DAW?
@@F_letc.h good question
It has USB audio but not really sure how many tracks, if its just the stereo out...well...you can do multi tracking but kind of sucks
Hopefully a firmware update will add multi out.
@ i think teenage have everything to make a great think for beatmakers
@@marcosdeboni7109 yes, i want to know this as well. USB multi out would be perfect
No time stretch? How about resampling, can you resample the output?
No timestretch yet. I have my fingers crossed it will be added 🙏 you can resample. Making a video on it as we speak
Could you show how the xy handles chopping? moving in and out points by hand per key for longer samples is really annoying. also with the xy you would also have to select the sample first from the library, right? funnily enough the fields limitation here takes away an additional step. I'm really hoping theres a faster way of chopping like playing the sample and simply press the keys as you go.
Unfortunatley it seems to not be a good chopping mode yet. It’s a tedious process right now but I bet that it will get fixed soon
Nice video thanks for info, although stop saying ‘stretching’ because I got excited thinking it was time stretching each sample over the pitch range 😂 when I fact it just pitches them.
Wonder why they didn’t include the video stuff ?
haha sorry, always hard to not mess up the terminology when you're not a native english speaker. I totally expect there to be proper timestretching in the future tho!
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Lol! :D
So does the multi sampler spread 1 recoded sample across all keys with the same time stretch? Or do you need to sample different notes of a sample to cover the entire keyboard? Also does the XY have at least external sustain with a midi controller? Thats the one big thing for me that the OP-1 Field is still missing.
If you only record one sample then it Will spread it across all keys. But this will produce audio artifacts when you stray to far away from the recorded pitch. So yeah, multisampling allows you to record notes across a few octaves to reduce the artifacts and make a better sound. Or you can use it as i did in the end - for splitting your keyboard
just curios, but when you sample from the op-1f into the op-xy, can you sample via usb audio using a usb-c cable rather than an analog cable? or will you blow something up?
yes the usb c allows you to use it for power and audio
You can sample over usb without any audio cables
The multisampler is only single-layer, right? So you couldn’t have separate samples per key as velocity layers, right?
no sorry :/
I'm sorry to spam you with questions :D:D - but how does pitch shifting effect sample playback? I could not make it out in your demo; on field they simply change the playback time. No warping or anything. I guess its the same on xy, right?
No worries with the questions :) it is the same as on OP-1 unless you use the multisampler and record a few notes over all octaves
the question is how the pitch shift is realized. op1 simply changes playback speed, which I dont like. I'd rather have proper warping
These questions are useful for me as well!
@@reneeschkeI think it’s been mentioned in other videos that proper time stretching is not there yet.
wait are you saying you can record to each key on a track? so basically you can essentially “chop and edit” like the ableton move then ?
Yes, but probably way better
Yeah 20 seconds times 24 slots on 8 tracks!! There isn’t a copy-paste function from one key to the next tho. But i bet they will add it soon. It’s already there on OP-1 i think
The 20sec limit is a problem, what if you want to record vocals and stuff?
Sorry this is not the machine for full vocal takes :-/
Op-1 or SmplTrek
@@Farold_Haltermeyer I own the OP1f, but for me the whole point was to have one mobile device for all. dont want to carry op-xy and OP1f both with me only for recording. specially with the extended midi implementation it makes no sense. of course you want to record the synths you connect to the op-xy. the 20s limit is purely a random virtual software limit, this should be changend, its nonsense.
(also own a blackbox. would also be obsolete if there was longer sampling time on the op-xy...)
Too bad the Sampletrek sounds like shit otherwise it would be all of these samplers together in a 300usd box. Please do not fuckin pay 2200 for a limited sampler .
So there’s no time and pitch shifting? And also sample to a fixed length - bars or beats?
@@othernet not at this time no. But i bet it is coming soon
Thanks for this! How is the integration with the TX-6?
I hear there is nothing yet.
@@tColorsinspacerecordingsnope. They are going to make another device it can connect to for $3000
@ ahh is that all! Peasant money!
Havn’t had the chance to try it out yet. But i bet it will be good like TP-7 :)
Great video. Thank you!
Any chance you could upload a short presentation of the arranger tonight? Zoomed in so one can actually see the screen?
I’m glad you like it! :) i want be able tonight…sorry! But arranger is coming in a video soon!
I just don’t get why the 8gb of storage. At least 20 to 30gb or even 60gb to compete with what’s on the market especially in regard in what it can do lol
Yeah i agree. love the 8gb but feel atleast 32 should have been minimum
My guess is maybe the type of chip they use as storage is better than say a typical ssd chip. Maybe its more like ram. Or its optimized to be very low power usage. I dont know but i suspect it was a delibrate choice and not them trying to save a buck. But maybe i am wrong I hope we get some info on the internals components soon. Maybe i will look into it…..
Omg You can choose your own sample for each note???? And sample more than 10 seconds for each note ? That's gotta be worth 2290 in 2025!
This need to chop samples like any mpc
If this had auto chop and stems...
@ the auto chop and steams is not a great deal but i need this to chop a sample.. like 16 chops…
Ya I emailed them and told them we need chopping and time stretching
@ yeh if a lot of people request that is great, i buy if is that. Is great for Portable.. in my house i have the mpc X Se.. i need a portable sampler.
For THAT kind of money , it needs to be a concubine too!
Lets say you record something into one shot sampler, just for fun, but you don't save the preset (I assume like on field user presets must be saved deliberately?) - now, without saving the preset you load another engine. Is the previously recorded sample still in the sample library? If yes, you'd really have to keep things clean in order not to fill up the inevitable sample limit of the machine.
@@reneeschke you are correct. The recording is saved and you can recall it but it doesn’t recall your in-out points unless you do a preset save
I am a TE fan boy too but come on be honest. Saying 8 GB is great for the price this thing costs is ridiculous.
The ableton move runs off a raspberry pi with a 64 gb memory stick. I am still a TE fan boy that ordered an op-xy but raving about some of this things features makes us seem foolish. The best thing to compare the op-xy to is a custom guitar or grand piano. In the world of grooveboxes the op-xy and op-1 are just premium devices. If you want to learn to play the guitar you dont get a custom fender stratocaster. But if you love guitars and have the money to spend you shouldn't be ashamed of spending $5,000 or more on a guitar.
The OP-Z had ~32 mb. So 8 gb is a lot more. 8 gb is a lot of samples.
I too would have loved at least 32gb but yeah 8gb is better than nothing. Don’t know how much field has?
@@briannhinton while true, thats an arbitrarily low bar. the competition is what we should be comparing to. yes, it is significantly more, but what (except cost, I guess?) kept them from doing 16, 32 or even 64? Would be a lot more future proof for whatever they (or us) plan on doing with this thing. One thing's sure... for that money I want that thing to stay relevant a long time.
The 2030 Agenda groovebox.
You call 20s samples a lot? The digitakt 2 can get 66s samples in 48khz and it's less than half the price of this machine. Seems kind of pathetic to me.
Subjectiveness is great 😊 I for instance love Hawaiian pizza.
well you need to have Digitakt 2 attached to a speaker, microphone and a current in order to work don/t ya? In a computer you can sample 1TB and its half the price of a DTII...relativity my boy
But the DTK2 is just a sampler, it's certainly not a synth and it doesn't have the same portability and performance potential as this OP XY, I like the Elektron stuff and they're beautiful instruments but you can't compare a sampler with a groovebox like OP XY. Even if we talk about immediacy in composing and arranging a song and then improvising on it, all "takt" are great machines but in my humble opinion the T.E. this time it really outdid the competition.
It's not 20s total. It's a per-sample cap. You can have lots of 20s samples. I've been making music for 35 years and I've never had a sample come near 20 seconds. Try to fully exhale and hold your breath for 20 seconds? You can do it but it's not enjoyable. I can't think of a single song in the music that has a 20 second sample.
@@Station2Station-du2gh if you sample 20 seconds you risk paying copyright taxes eheheh😁