Scriptural Evidence Jesus Christ was Married to Mary Magdalene!
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BY the way the water turning into wine was at his own wedding not someone else's wedding. The groom was to provide the wine that is why they went to him with the problem. Since it was his wedding.... he did do this miracle.
I believe it is highly significant that Mary was the first person he appeared to after his resurrection. They weren't just running around the garden and bumped into each other. I think there is a pretty high chance that she was his wife and so she was the first person he sought out to see her and let her know that he was resurrected.
I picture that event as a very tender moment between a husband and wife. Her first impulse was to hug him and he had to forbid her at that time. There was probably more to that story than we are actually given. After he told her that he must ascend to his Father they may have had a very personal and intimate conversation.
April 14, 1927 vol 21
How Our Lord came upon earth to suffer all the evils that the human will had done. How the Word of Jesus is life.
I was thinking about the Divine Will and the evil of the human will, and my beloved Jesus, all afflicted, told me: My daughter, everything I suffered in My Humanity was nothing other than all the evil that the human will had produced for the poor creature. It formed her prison, it took away from her the freedom of being able to move around within her God, in the heavenswherever she wanted. It rendered her incapable of doing good; it took light away from her, and surrounded her with thick darkness.
And I came upon earth and enclosed Myself in the prison of the womb of My dear Mama; and even though that prison was holy, it cannot be denied that it was the most narrow and dark prison that could exist in the world; so much so, that I could not even stretch out a hand, or a foot. It was not given to Me to take one step, nor was there any room even to open My eyes. The human will had done all this to the creatures, and I, from the very beginning of My Conception, came to suffer this pain in order to knock down the prison of the human will, and give back to man what he had lost.
I wanted to be born in a stable and suffer the most extreme poverty. The human will had formed something worse than a stable for the poor creatures, while passions had formed manure in their souls. And blowing more than wind, it had rendered them numb with intense cold, to the point of affecting their nature, not only taking terrestrial happiness away from them, but making them experience hunger and povertynot only of the soul, but also of the body. And I wanted to suffer intense cold, extreme poverty, and the stench of the manure that was in the stable; and in seeing two animals near Me, I had the sorrow that the human will had converted Our most beautiful work, Our dear jewel, Our dear Imagethe poor manalmost into a beast. There was not one pain that I suffered that did not have its origin in the human will, and I subjected Myself to everything in order to rehabilitate it once again in the Kingdom of the Supreme Fiat.
Even in My Passion, I wanted to suffer being stripped in the scourging, denuded on the Cross, and stretched in such a horrible way that My bones could be counted, amid confusion, abandonment and unspeakable bitterness. All this was nothing other than the outpouring of the human will, that had stripped man of all goods, and with its poisonous breath, had covered him with confusion and opprobrium, to the point of transforming him in a horrible way, and of rendering him an object of mockery for his many enemies. Daughter, if you want to know all the evils that the human will has done, study My Life well, number My pains, one by one, and you will read the black characters of the noxious story of the human will. You will feel such horror in reading it, that you will be content with dying, rather than letting one single syllable of it enter into you.
After this, Jesus kept silent, and remained all taciturn, pensive and afflicted. He looked around and far away, as if He wanted to investigate the dispositions of creatures; and not seeing them disposed, He remained in His profound silence. So, I had to go through several days of privation, as if He were no longer living in me.
Then, I began to feel Him move in my interior, like rising sun; and He said to me: My daughter, whenever I speak, a life comes out of Methe greatest gift. And I must see whether there is disposition on the part of creatures, so as to place this life of Mine in them; and not seeing it, I am forced to remain silent, because there is no place in which to put this great gift. This is the reason why many times I do not speak. In fact, what regards My Divine Fiat is not only for you, but will serve other creatures; at most, It forms Its capital in you, in order to transmit it for the good of others.
So, while I keep silent, you pray that the Kingdom of My Will be known, and you suffer because you see yourself without Me, your Life. To live without life is the greatest martyrdom. These pains and these prayers mature the gift, and while they make Me open My mouth to issue the new life that regards My Divine Will, they dispose creatures to receive It. These pains are more than suns rays, that mature the fields, the fruits, the flowers. Therefore, everything is necessarysilence, pains, prayersfor the decorum of the manifestations of My Will.
A former BYU professor (Jack Marshall) gave a lecture, that I attended. where he outlined how Mary Magdalene was married to Jesus Christ. Also, Roman law was that only family members were at the cross. This explains Mary the Mother of Christ, and John the Revelator (who was a cousin to Christ, his mother was a cousin to Mary, the mother) - and Jesus knowing that John wasn’t to die, who better to take care of his mother. Also at the cross was Mary Magdalene - she wouldn’t have been there is she wasn’t a relative. And he first showed himself to Mary Magdalene after resurrection.
Finally, what about Jewish law? It’s my understanding that you needed to be married before becoming a rabbi - also since Jesus was in his 30’s when starting his ministry, who’s to say that he wasn’t married?
I know Vern Swanson personally. I worked for a high end framing place in Springville Utah. We framed so many pieces of original art from around the world for him, for the museum.had no idea he was an author. Definitely checking into this book.
I remember discussing this with a mission companion. He said that he would’ve had to be married to be perfect.
There’s no doubt in my mind that Jesus is a married man just like His father. Marriage is the most sacred of all unions and it’s within marriage that eternal exalted life is obtained.
The Gnostic gospels, like the Gospel of Philip and Mary, and Thomas are amazing. They confirm Mary Magdalene is Jesus's wife several times. ❤️ Perhaps since she hasn't resurrected yet Jesus coming back will be him as the bridegroom coming back for the resurrection of his bride and we will be able to participate in the celebration of them coming back together. Who knows? Really cool though if that's the case.
I was working at DI and they put that $900 book on the shelf for $6. I should have bought it when I had the chance.
Disclaimer that this “Doesn’t represent the official position of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints” doing some HEAVY lifting with this episode.
Yes it does. The Church teaches that only those who are married for eternity will get to the highest degree of the Celestial Kingdom. D&C 131:1-2 The Gods are all married men
Mormons believe whatever and it can change whenever. Brigham young taught Adam was God it's just made up
Gnostic texts have been saying this the whole time…
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Temple marriage is necessary for Exaltation. Jesus resurrected and was exalted. That's a pretty good proof of Jesus' marriage. When He was baptized, John protested it, but He said, "...that we may fulfill all righteousness..."
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And baby onesies for when we pass those cute babies along in Church.
It would not make ANY sense for Jesus to NOT have been married.
It occurred to me that the two angels overshadow the Ark of the Covenant and are seen in the tomb.
Jesus had to be married (sealed to a spouse) for the same reason he had to be baptized.
Check out the book Drama of the Lost Disciples... it describes a legend that Mary Magdalene and Jesus' family was cast out of Israel and they were put out to sea. They land on the Isle of Man (the legend says it started out as the Isle of the Son of Man). It does talks about Jesus' wife and children. It's a very interesting read.
Do you think that maybe the Wedding Feast at Cana was Jesus’ wedding?
Jesus was invited to that wedding..it would be kind of strange to receive an invitation to your own wedding
"If a man gets a fulness of the priesthood of God, he has to get it in the same way that Jesus Christ obtained it, and that was by keeping all the commandments and obeying all the ordinances of the house of the Lord." - Joseph Smith
doctored quote
@@FleeingBabylon-Now What is the real quote?
@@kimberlylawson8240 Brigham and his "editors" changed almost every document they could get their hands on. That is why he was furious with Emma when she would not turn over the inspired JS version of the Bible. Maybe Joseph said it, maybe not. If it was published as scripture before Joseph's murder I will trust it and if not, well not at all. That is why they hid the first vision accounts that only had one personage. That is why they removed all the doctrine of the D&C, the whole Lectures on Faith that was the doctrine of the 1844 and 1835 versions. After Joseph's death they added D&C 130 which has the trinity and the Father with a body. Yet Joseph canonized 2 Gods only and the HG as the mind or connecting power of God. He was crystal clear that God was spirit and the Son of flesh and bone. That there were only 2. Fortunately the BOM was printed in before Joseph was gone. Yet the chapter headings are wrong in a lot of cases, esp the Isaiah chapters.
@@kimberlylawson8240 The fulness had nothing to do with what we consider ordinances. It was coming into the presence of the Savior. Just as Oliver Cowdery told the apostles when called that they must then go approach God and have him tell them they were called. They never did. Joseph tried like Moses to get the people purified and ready to see the Savior and they would not. Rather than they put him down and chose a golden calf. It has always been that way with the true servants of God. They are hated and despised, run out of town on a rail or eliminated. We love our golden calf of the trinity.
@@FleeingBabylon-Nowso, fix the "doctored" quote...
It would have been niceee if you had clarified that there is no form of sexual activity that is done inside the LDS temples.
Some individuals and some religious groups accuse us of that.
Great show, though.
This was awesome!
I could listen to you guys talk for hours!
Please read the Gospel as Revealed to me by Maria Valtorta. The book has much more information on the relationship of Jesus with the Magdalene.
Thank you so much for discussing this important subject.
Quite compelling information that needs considering without judgement. Great episode!!
A good read about the goodness of sex and that it is not evil is by Elder Holland called Of Souls Symbols and Sacraments
I’m behind the idea that we don’t know who Jesus’s wife was. Following his father’s example keeping his wife’s name and position sacred
And left his wife home many many times while he traveled with his 12
One of the apostles has already stated that Jesus had at least four wives! Also, Heavenly Father has many wives. This has already bern taught also, including Mary the mother of Jesus! However, this new generation doesn't know crap about church doctrine or church history!!!
Said the polygamy apologist in a cheerful maner .
Of course Christ is married and of course its to Mary magledan (probably misspelled) and I don't even need all this deep dive into either. We believe you need to be married to get to the highest state in the celestial kingdom. But before all that Christ was baptized when he didn't have to be He did it as an example for us to show us the way to His's Father's House. So of course he was also married to show us the proper way to salvation. Its just being logically honest and consistent.
Such interesting comments.
Please invest in capacitor limiters for each mic, especially Cardon’s.
That is it?!!!!! More please!
“Cover me with your skirt”
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“Take your pants off “
I read that book "Dynasty of the Holy Grail" by Swanson. Glad I bought it when it came out. Today's price is highway robbery.
I have believed since I was a child that Christ was married. It only made perfect sense when looking at his life and example. Also it wouldn't make any sense for us to be required to do something that Christ himself did not do. To be honest I questioned the possibility that Christ was married to more than one. Just my thoughts!! I don't expect anyone to agree with me. In fact I expect people to start blowing up with comments telling me how wrong I am. Honestly I don't care!! I don't have to agree with anyone to believe in Christ and be a faithful covenant member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I love my Savior and his gospel more than anything or anyone. I love my family and pray fervently each day that we can be an eternal family and return to God. Love listening to Mike and David. The beauty of the scriptures is immense. We need to look past the bread and milk that, so many members live on their whole lives. I have spent so many Sunday School classes hearing the same questions by the same people over and over again.
I agree
Your analyse and logic area totally right.
Welcome to the party!! I dont even need to watch this to know that. Why? because I asked about Father about it in 2007-ish.And he showed me all the evidence in scripture and Jewish law and customs, who's wedding feast is actually in the Bible. also had children, just fyi.
I figure, Jesus is our ultimate example. We are taught that a man cannot enter the highest level of the celestial kingdom without being married, so why would Christ not be married?
Christ was baptized. He told John the Baptist to suffer it to be so to fulfill all righteousness... Well, temple marriage is required in order to get to the Celestial Kingdom. If Jesus was baptized, why wouldn't he be married? He needed it to become heir to all the Father has. I don't know, but it makes sense that Jesus participated in ordinances in order to be eligible for exaltation like everyone else.
I don't see how Jesus Christ can do the will of the Father without fulfilling the first commandment we have in the Bible, "Be fruitful, multiple and replenish the earth."
Because God already sent a flood to wipe out 1/2 divine beings... Why would he want more of them running around the earth?
@@chrismcaulay7805 First off, Devine Beings couldn't be wiped out by a flood, or they wouldn't be Divine. Secondly, in Luke chapter 2 Adam is called a son of God, so all his sons and grandsons etc. would also be sons of God, everything bringing forth after their kind. And in 2 Peter it says 8 souls were saved by water, so you would have to be saying that either the sons of God don't have souls or that you don't understand who the sons of God are.
@@chrismcaulay7805 There are more people now on earth than at any point in time - 8 billion people. God clearly want's more of us here now, especially when technology can get information around faster than ever
Once Christ comes again, I can't see a just God denying Christ to have a spouse. Aren't we told the Celestrial kingdom is for those worry to have their own spiritual kingdom. So, yes it makes sense for him to have a wife. Having children with her is another issue as wouldn't they be 1/4th imortal?
@@janetcarlson4923 His children may be less susceptible to diseases, but they wouldn't have the power to lay down their life and take it again. Which works by the Holy Spirit anyways.
Anyone have a link to that "God and Sex" book he mentioned in the beginning? Unsurprisingly, a quick search did not turn up what I was looking for
lololol... I can imagine!
Family Search is strange to a degree.
Jesus set the example in all things such as baptism by emersion. I'm no scholar but I have always known Christ married and that he married Mary Magdeline.
I don’t think He was married while he was on the earth but I do believe he will marry during the millennium.
I am 71…I was married in 1973 when the endowment was live. I have always known that Christ had done what I was doing in the Temple. Of course He was and is married and has had fruit. The Gospel makes sense, after all.❤
The book by Swanson is Dynasty of the Holy Grail, Mormonism’s sacred bloodline that book is amazing!!! I have it and took copious notes throughout it
Amen sister.
Another point. The garment touched by the woman with the issue of blood was the shawl made by young women to give to the groom at the wedding. The groom would put it on and then draw the bride to him while covering her with it. That meant that he would protect and provide for her.
According to old Jewish traditions, Jesus would have received that garment as part of the wedding ceremony. An unmarried man would not possess such a garment before marriage.
Interesting
Wow! I have never considered that!
My Dad put it this way:
What is required to attain Exaltation?
Are there any exceptions?
Of course Jesus Christ is married.
By his own law he has to be married for eternity D&C 131:1-2
The resurrected Christ was in His perfect form when Mary saw Him.
Think of all he went through in His mortal life, to "descend below all things" and how that may have affected is mortal body or appearance.
It seems to me that no one, that had known Him before His death, would recognize His true form. He literally looks different than they remembered Him.
All things I have seen indicate Jesus was married. Even if not to Mary M.
Jesus Christ is called rabbi,Rabbis are expected to get married and always have been
This is what I’m thinking…. I mean Paul says he (Paul) wasn’t married, and he was part of the Sanhedrin, but if Jesus hadn’t been married and was still called “rabbi” by his followers, you’d think his opponents would have brought THAT up in their list of grievances against him!
Right on guys!!
@@gingersnaps215 I think that you are mistaken on Paul. The only basis for believing that Paul was never married is a likely misunderstanding of 1 Cor. 7:8-9. Paul, writing to the "unmarried" and widows suggests that they "remain single, as I am." Paul is writing to widows (obviously) and widowers (less obvious, I know, bear with me). During the Koine Greek era, widowers were referred to as "agamois" (except using Greek letters) -- the same word Paul uses, which could refer to unmarried men generally, but in context (paired with widowers) most likely referred specifically to widowers. I think that suggests that Paul was at least once married and had become a widower.
And he may have failed to follow his own advice and gotten married again (assuming the epistles to the Corinthians were written before the epistle to the Philippians): In Philippians 4:2-3 he addresses himself to his "syzyge" (again, pretend Greek letters), which our Bible translates as "yokefellow," but was typically used to refer to a person's spouse.
@RussellJaySpencer cool, thanks for the linguistic clarification! Clears up some confusion I’ve had for just HOW an unmarried man had become part of the Sanhedrin 🙃
But Mathew 19 12 kjv for there are some eunuch wich were so born from their mother's wulm
President Hinkley was asked if Jesus was married, he answered;
"Brethren, it doesn't matter if the Pearly Gates swing or slide just as long as they open."
Well, we are now moving towards further light and knowledge.
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Whether he was or was not, does not affect your personal salvation. So don't worry about it.
@@NancyBrown-xw8hg I'm not saying anyone should fanatically dwell on it, just that if information comes our way on the matter we shouldn't spurn it.
My dad always said, "If it doesn't affect your salvation, it doesn't matter."
@@DesertPrimrose Big 'is this on the test' energy
Either way it won't stop my belief in him but his role is different than ours, he is the savior of our souls and had a role to redeem us all. He is in a sense our father and brother I do not think he needs to experience all of mortality but he needed to pay for the sins of mankind and sins are spiritual. He then had to die and overcome death. Those 2 things only he could do, no other being could. He did not need to come here for himself, he came for us. The world was created by him not for him.
It makes more sense to me that he would have done things like us before he created our world, which would then given him the title he has before our world, just as Satan had a title before and thus gave him his role here and the same for Heavenly Father and the Holy Ghost. All outside of our time and thus no need for our experience and rituals only to play a part in what we do here as we choose and grow. The Holy Ghost has no body is he going to have the same experience as we do, or did he already? Or will he later? They to me seem to already have these titles and have done their ordinances before we are and were and will.
To be exalted you have to be sealed. For a man can not be without a woman and visa versa. If Jesus had to baptized to fulfill all righteousness it would only stand to reason He would need to be sealed to a woman (I believe it was Mary Magdalene) to become as Heavenly Father and to inherit all that He has.
Finally, after his resurrection who did he appear to first? A woman, Mary... that was his wife...... why show yourself to her before ... before he went to God the father. nothing more powerful .
I want more of Mike Day and Dave Butler! Do your own channel.
Where can I find the 90 minutes session with Madison Green & Mike Day?
On the Talking Scripture channel under the “Mike Geeking Out” playlist. I also like poking around Mandy’s podcast and website, but did have a sense of “proceed cautiously” when I first came across her stuff. There is a lot that I find appealing and compelling, but also a lot that is questionable. Either way, it is fun to explore!
Any one who has gone deep into this knows Christ was married - had a wife - if not wives and had children - Rabbis are not single - have to have been married and raised a family by age 30, D&C has sections on this marriage for this life 130 - 132 - Grave with Son of Jesus the Christ - found - Jesus took care of Mother when Father David was gone, Mary his mother had other children before he Christ went to Jerusalem at age 12 - one reason she missed him - she was taking care of younger children... other non traditional scriptures talk about wives of Christ - at least 2 or 3 - Christ was never accused of not being married and not having children or marriage to be a qualified Rabbi - Christ treated woman as equals and as partners way about men of his day! if Christ fully restored all things to apostles - then - plural marriage would have been stored too and he had to teach it to his apostles - where they practiced it - is another thing! But that doesn't mean he personally didn't live it, This doesn't make him any less Godly or Divine - all things will be revealed in time! He Christ definitely had married and had children at the least!
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12:45 I KNEW there was something more to the chuppah than it being representative of the new home!!!! I’ve been trying to find stuff but apparently didn’t know what to look for! ALSO I found an article (by happenstance, I was looking for something totally different) on a Jewish website, discussing different marriage traditions, and they mentioned one tradition behind the bride putting the veil on herself is a belief that (like Moses as he came down from Mt Sinai) the Shekinah/Divine Presence/“feminine face of God” rests upon her face, and veiling is to shield the onlookers from that divine glory.
She is a temple. Isn't it obvious???
The chambers and veil and highest room and innermost and source of life, etc.....
It is a layer. It is a factor that testofys of the other variables in the equation.
It honestly just makes more sense that Jesus was married because if you weren’t married, you basically had no place in society to do anything in Jewish law
St. Paul be like: "Really?"
@@SuperSaiyanKrillin st Peter be like “Yeah, because I was married too”.
Biblically, there is no reference to Jesus having a beard, yet virtually all pictures of Jesus portray him with a beard. Why? Because during his ministry, Jewish males wore beards. There is no argument over this in all of Christianity. Hence, couldn't the same be said of Jewish Rabbi's being married during that time? They had to be married to be a Rabbi. The Pharisees accused Jesus of heresy for healing on the Sabbath. If Jesus, a Jewish Rabbi, was NOT married, why wasn't he ridiculed by the Pharisees in the Scriptures as he was for breaking the Sabbath? Why would the 12 (we know that at least Peter was married as his mother in law is mentioned in Scripture) follow him as an Unmarried Rabbi, let alone all of his disciples? Aside from the LDS perspective, how do other Christians explain this?
One must be married to be allowed to enter the Celestial Kingdom and dwell there. So this makes sense just like you must be baptized for the same reason and this has to be done here on earth on the temple.
This to me… is one of the puzzle pieces the Lord intentional left out of our education. I love the thought of him being married and even having children… just not sure that happened during his brief life that had so much packed into it already.
I know church gossip always has the general authorities as perfect husbands … imagine having an actually perfect husband… and being a mere mortal yourself.
And we don’t know how much of the divine would be inherited by a child. This is maybe something saved for the millennium…
Anyway interesting episode… even if no one really has answers … it doesn’t hurt to think about possibilities 😇
As an outsider, I keep thinking that for the LDS church to have consistent doctrine doesn’t Jesus HAVE to have been married? Otherwise the requirement of marriage for exaltation doesn’t make any sense if the person you are trying to be like wasn’t married but was exalted. For those who are in the LDS church or participate in some branch of Mormonism, am I missing anything?
Most understand it that way. But not necessarily that Jesus was married in the ~30 years he was on Earth. Maybe for example he gets married during the millennium or in the Celestial Kingdom.
We believe Christ’s millennial reign and final judgement is him “finishing” his work and who knows, maybe that includes him getting married.
D&C 1:38 "What I the Lord have spoken, I have spoken, and I excuse not myself." I definitely think he was married. 😎
My family tree runs through Jesus Christ all the way back to Adam. Not sure where those records came from but apparently through the recorded Kingly lineages there was a record through Christ.
Same man. Christ through Josephus.
11:06
Only two choices 😅
Hosea 2.16
“And it shall be at that day,” saith the Lord, “that thou shalt call Me ‘Ishi’ [that is, My husband], and shalt call Me no more ‘Baali’ [that is, My Lord]
Jesus Christ was married to Mary and Martha, not Mary Magdalene.
Mary Magdalene
Was pronounced
Prosti only during the 9th century
She was not....
In fact she's said to be a choice woman....
What was the three books mentioned in this video?
So basically, the Davinci Code was right all along
Cardon pastor jeff.said he is only going to put bits of the summit debate on you tube He will pick out the bits that look good for the evangelical faith could you watch it and debunk any of these tatics please 🙏
Good call, that dude is up to no good. His intent is not to create understanding. His intent is to promote himself and evangelical teachings as supreme to lds teachings. I notice him always directing lds speakers to answer some type of way. He is good at bringing apologists on and muzzling them while letting his faith be heard louder. Like yesterday with his introduction. He let's evangelicals claim truth and honesty and call the Bible the one word of God. When an lds starts to share anything that is a claim to truth. He interrupts and directs the topic in another direction. Lds speakers are only allowed to say things within the bubble of "faith is faith, we have faith so we love people and try to be good"..... that's the amount of leash that he gives our side. The other side has a dog runner to run on, our side has a 2ft leash. The dude is sly and many good lds are being tricked into not seeing this because he hits on keywords like acceptance and unity but what he's doing is wearing sheep's wool trying to pick off members 1 by 1.
@@curtisdecker3175 I so agree, his intentions are not good in any way whatsoever, he is actually using weak saints to fund his way.
@Rudyard_Stripling absolutely, he moved to Utah because his church was failing. You don't move to Utah to teach Evangelicals everything about the LDS if your church is growing. You move to Utah to fulfill prophecy of Spencer W Kimball when he said Salt Lake City will be a place that the Gentiles come to and turn the city wicked. We've been warned.
@Rudyard_Stripling - I personally like pastor Jeff and he has strengthened my testimony because he asks questions that I haven't heard others ask. And then I try to answer the questions myself as if he were asking me. Maybe someday the non-member friends I have will ask those same questions. I have also learned a lot from the LDS presenters, especially Greg Matson and Kurt Francom that Jeff frequently has on.
@micheleh3851 The problem with the questions that he asks is that he directs the answer to get the answer he wants... I'm a former evangelical, lived in the Bible belt my whole life. Jeff is 75% of evangelical pastors in the South. Good at talking kind, good at circular conversation, good at directing the conversation towards a premeditated answer. Pay attention to the questions that he asks and how he keeps steering the answer to a point where he can then give his 2 cents.
👉 WHY was Mary at the tomb? Because she was such a good follower?? No! There had to be more. ANYONE given the honor to be the first to see the risen Lord is special!
…though I do also like the fact that we don’t KNOW they were married, because then she can remain special despite her “lowly and untrustworthy status” as a woman in 1st century Judea.
But that means he's being secretive. Which means he's part of a secret combination. Because secrets are bad. So so bad. Always. (Sarcasm)
Though this is all just speculation I think it also adds to this idea when Jesus says touch me not. Perhaps a more than friendly embrace would have been expected. An embrace from a wife would have been much more intimate in nature than from a simple follower. Maybe that was part of the reason he made sure to tell her not to touch him because he hadn't yet ascended to the father. It's a mystery but it makes me wonder
You guys want Jesus to be relatable. Ask yourself, why were the 144000 men praised for being virgins in the Bible? It specifically says they were not defiled by women. Explain that.
@@blairperry men who are chaste....are you trying to say getting married and having sex is something that defiles you?
Not everyone is called to marriage. Jesus explained what marriage actually is to the Apostles and they say if that is so, why would you want to. Singleness and abstinence is also holy if not called to marry.
My older brother believed that Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene. He referred to the wedding where Jesus was and supplied the wine.
That’s all I can remember. He went into more depth but I don’t recall. Maybe one of you know more about that.
My brother has passed on to the better place.❤
My mom loved studying this stuff. She was pretty sure Jesus was at His own wedding here. I don't remember very well, either, but was it tradition for the groom to provide the wine?
@@brucenorth5337 No, the groom wasn't supposed to provide the wine. Jesus' conversation with His mother makes that clear. Mary says, "They have no wine." She doesn't say, "Help, we've run out of wine." To which Jesus seems to reply, that's not our problem. Mary ignores this brush off, and tells the servants, "Whatever he saith unto you, do it." Because she knows He will fix the problem for her. And Jesus fixes the problem--because his wonderful mom was trying to spare the wedding party the embarrassment or running out of wine. And, of course, it is the best wine--because ... of course it would be! How much better is this story if it is his bride's family that He and His mother are saving from embarrassment. I don't know if I'm convinced this is His wedding though. The language of the KJV makes it seem much more like they are guests, and others are running the wedding. "THEY" ran out of wine. They took the wine to "the governor of the feast." But even if that wasn't His wedding, it doesn't mean He wasn't married. I'm ok with it either way, but it seems like if Jesus had to be baptized for no reason other than to be the example of fulfilling all righteousness, then I would suspect He entered into the highest covenant, as well, that of eternal marriage.
The groom was traditionally responsible for providing the wine at the wedding.
@@daveduncan2748I would take “they have no wine” as being interpretable as “our guests” but that’s too much a small thing to carry any certainty
@@brookebennett6006 Why wouldn't Mary say, "We have no wine," if she and Jesus had run out of wine for the wedding?
I believe one of our prophets was a direct descendant of Jesus. I’m not going to say who, but the Lord had His eyes upon his progenitors clear back to Adam, and “has watched that family and that blood”.
There are at least three of the prophets who are direct descendants.
Several.
@@davus4242 correct. I forgot about the other ones.
Someone plz enlighten the rest of us plz plz
@@brothercheerioWho? And you believe this based on what sources? It's an honest question, I'm interested.
Totally ridiculous!
Mike and Dave are always good for thought fodder.
Next on Ward Radio...Did Adam have s belly button?
How do we know Adam was not of African ancestry?
Answer: You ever know a brotha to give up one of his ribs!
Saw a thing a while back where they traced Mary's line to a family in France I think. They met with them and they had a long standing disdain for being related to Jesus. As in they don't like people to know they are blood related at all!
Jesus kept all of the commandments that would include be fruitful and multiple
@nonadillon4494 - So do you believe there are a bunch of people who have lived on earth who were Christ's children and are His posterity, and therefore part God? I respectfully disagree. I don't believe any Gods are on earth. We have Priesthood power bestowed upon men because we don't have actual Deity on the earth anymore since Christ lived in mortality.
@@micheleh3851no idea about his offspring or not. Though my understanding of Priesthood isn't because we don't have God on Earth. Priesthood is essential for all of us to have regardless if He is here or not.
@ClintK. - My point was Christ held Priesthood power by being God. No one bestowed it on Him in mortality. So if he had kids and posterity, they would already have that power too so it would have already been on earth and not needed to be restored.
Jesus was baptized. Why?
Would He need every priesthood ordinance, then? Can he be exalted without all temple ordinances? Did He "fulfill all righteousness" while in mortal flesh?
@@micheleh3851 gotcha but not necessarily. That same train of thought I would think would also need to be extended to John the Beloved and the 3 Nephites.
Maybe he will be married at the second coming? There is a lot of symbolism around marriage and the second coming. Maybe some of it is literal. We should not impose commandments that are given to one person onto another. By this same logic Christ broke the commandments by drinking wine. Also the law of chastity does not require a spouse. Lastly marriage is performed in the celestial room... In the presence of God. Take that as you wish. But these are just thoughts and reasoning.
D&C 122:5-8 say it all. Jesus speaking to Joseph. Look what he tells Joseph. It’s as clear as day.
I had never read that verse that way before. But that reading opens all sorts of new understandings.
Brilliant, absolutely brilliant my friend! Thank you very much for sharing! My eyes have been opened and received more light and truth!
Good point
thanks for sharing :)
The D&C is the biggest apocryphal text ever. Take it with a grain of salt.
I have been waiting 40 some years for someone to actually see that !
One other problem, if one subscribes to the theory that the ending of Mark is not part of scripture then one runs into problems with the BOM as it quotes from it essentially. There is evidence that the ending of Mark was part of scripture as it is referred to prior to the early version that lacks it.
The BoM quotes from Mark 16?
After considering that he might have been married, usually the next question is, “would his children have inherited his powers?” “Christ is the “anointed one”. Therefore, they not being full mortal and not anointed, would not inherit his immortal Godly powers. So I certainly believe He had a family.
Hmmm, Maybe that would inspire more to find their genealogical lines! lol!
I was taught when I was younger, (I'm a 70 yr old boomer) that Christ had to follow ALL commandments. Are we not commanded to be married?
@lindahayes7911 - To be in the highest degree of the Celestial kingdom, yes. But there are millions of people that have lived and died without being married so it's my understanding they will be given the opportunity during the Millenium. If Christ wasn't married on earth during His mortality, He will have that opportunity later as well.
But He was called “Rabbi “.
Those are his commandments to humans. God sent a flood to wipe out the Nephilim, thus it stands to reason he would not want more 1/2 divine beings running around...
@@micheleh3851 It doesn't make much sense for Christ to put off a commandment until well after His death. If this life is the time for men to prepare to meet God, it seems Christs example to us would fully be given while in the flesh rather than worked out far into the future.
@Hol0gr4m - If Christ were married He wouldn't have been allowed to fulfill the commandment to multiply and replenish, otherwise there would be hundreds of His posterity who are part Deity just as He was and therefore perfect and in no need of His Atonement. It doesn't make sense to have more than one God who lives in mortality on earth. That is not what the Church teaches. We do teach that the millions of people who couldn't marry while in mortality will have the opportunity by proxy or in person later. I believe Christ is in that category. It was not His mission to be married and have kids in mortality. It was His mission to be THE Savior and Redeemer.
So I normally listen to you all you guys at 2x speed… this sounds so weird to hear Mike and Dave at 1x speed 😆
That said: SO EXCITED for this episode!!!
Same!
Me too!! I have so much to listen to and accomplish, which is why I have to listen so fast.
I love the way Hayden speaks about sex and marriage. Its so good!
Psalm 45
I think this makes sense. It’s actually always been a question of mine if he was married or like he isn’t. His spouse being Mary would be something I can accept and understand and not just some random woman or him not being married at all.
Who are these guests and where can we find out what else they know?
Mike Day and David Butler as well as Hayden Paul from Stick of Joseph. Hayden and his brother are part of the Stick of Joseph TH-cam channel and recently helped David Butler (D. John Butler) Publish a book that covers some of these same topics called "In the Language of Adam" and Mike Day has a wonderful Podcast that he is part of called "Talking Scripture". I hope that helps. These men are looking at the scriptures and in particular the Book of Mormon in thought-provoking, inspired ways that deserve the attention of any truth seeking disciple.
@@Silvananthus Thanks, I will look them up.
Nothing new.
Look at the night ski. Look at the earth. Before Jesus was born into a mortal body He created all of it!
What couldn't Jesus do as a Spirit?
Almost nothing! Considering how great He was as a Spirit only, why would He even want or need a body?
To be able to do something He could not do as a Spirit only. Right? Is there a more simple strain of logic to make these statements true? Romans 6:9 states:
" Christ hath dominion over death, he dieth no more"
Was Christ castrated when He was resurrected? No
. The only things Christ could not do as a spirit only is eat, drink, and copulalte. That's it.
Except for only having a limited ability to create as spirits, we are the same. We need a body only to eat, drink and copulalte.
The very purpose for having a body is to have the ability to copulalte.
Why would Jesus have an immortal body that He does not need, except to copulalte, if He wasn't going to use the ability to copulalte as an immortal, or even a mortal?
If you can defeat this simple logic with logic I'm listening. I'm not talking about a statement of unbelief , I'm talking about logic. If my logic is not on the line of one plus one equals two, and you have the correct answer let me know.
If Jesus was not married, than clearly he did not accept the idea of what God said in Genesis that it was not good that man should be alone. Clearly an unmarried Jesus would be boldly declaring to the world it is good that man should be alone using himself as example that God was wrong in Genesis.
Several years ago when President Faust was in the quorum of the twelve apostles he came to our stake conference and said that Jesus did not marry while on earth for he wasn’t here to do that.
1. You all keep using the word “evidence” on this channel. I don’t think it means what you think it means.
2. There is no commandment to procreate in the temple sealing.
3. This was a fun and entertaining show! Loved it!