First let me start by saying I am not an “expert” in any martial art. I have studied/trained in MMA and Combatives, including Krav Maga for over twenty years. I worked as a bouncer at local bars and nightclubs throughout my early to late twenties and currently work as a personal trainer and professional coach. I have been in a number of physical altercations with and without weapons including knives, sticks, and even a gun on one occasion. I am not trying to say I’m some badass there are plenty of people out there stronger, faster, smarter, etc... than myself. I can however speak from personal experience and say that Krav Maga does work. The problem I have with the individual in this video is he has lost sight of the bigger picture, and that is it’s not about the martial art but the martial artist. I can tell there is also some obvious bias for BJJ in this video, ALL martial arts have there strengths and weaknesses. I agree that boxing, wrestling, muai thai, and bjj have all proven there effectiveness in and out of the cage and agree that regardless of your goals choosing one or more of these given systems as a base and building up from there is a smart move. BUT! If I’m on unforgiving terrain, facing multiple attackers, or multiple attackers with weapons, the last thing I want to do is roll on the ground with them! Under the right circumstances all martial arts can be effective.
But that's the thing Bjj is more than just rolling around on the ground, yes 95% of the time it literally is rolling around on the ground, but it's the things people don't see that make it effective. 1) You find out what it's like to have people of all shapes, sizes and weights go 100% against you, I can look at some stocky or large man and understand the strength he possesses and how hard it can be to manage that but also how I can manage that. 2) You learn what it takes to break someone, sometimes in altercations you can be misled into thinking how easy it will be to take someone out, sometimes easy sometimes a fight for your life, you learn within all individuals how much it takes to overwhelm a person and how much it takes to make that person give up or submit. 3) You build (If trained consistently) a very immense Stamina advantage over regular people who may be fit but don't have the same functional strength of someone who literally battles other people to get it. That's just a few I could go on for ages I wanna make my own video on it when I get my blue belt but I feel that Jiu jitsu on display can mislead people into the effectiveness of it in real confrontation and what's really going on on those mats.
Mark Elliot I never said BJJ was “just rolling around on the ground” even though right after making your statement you admit yourself that 95% of the time it is. Concerning the other points you tried to make...1. BJJ is not the only martial art were people of all shapes, sizes, and weights can go 100% against you. There are many striking and grappling systems that allow full-contact sparring...2. You can learn to “break” someone in different ways and from different systems, regardless if we’re talking about stand up or on the ground. Also in regards to being “misled” in an altercation...that’s called underestimating your opponent which should never be done in any situation regardless...3. As mentioned before BJJ is not the only act in town that can help develop the stamina you speak of. Now just to be clear i’m not picking on BJJ, I’m only bringing to light that all martial arts have there pros and cons and one should be open and honest with both themselves and others when discussing these topics especially if it could mean life or death. As I stated in my first comment I agree BJJ is a valuable part of anyone’s training but to say it is the answer to everything would be a grave mistake and could lead to someone getting seriously hurt or worse. 1 on 1 in a controlled environment (great), multiple attackers in a uncontrolled environment ESPECIALLY if there are weapons involved (not great) that’s when having a CCW ie: firearm is called for. To be fair I also have issues with Krav Maga as well...1. Many KM schools do not spar 100%, you have to test them out and find one that does for it to be truely effective. 2. Many KM schools have become commercialized and are more concerned with making profit than teaching REAL self-defense. 3. Many newer KM schools teach watered down techniques that are not practical in real life situations. If your interested search for a IKMA gym, they are the original organization that still teach the IDF troops today in Israel, and they also allow full-contact sparring and use practical techniques that anyone should be able to learn👍🏻.
Very similar background. Couldn't agree more with your comment. It's the cool thing to do nowadays to diss KM. And I get it; quality control is a major issue. I found training MMA isn't enough though for violent situations. Allthough in most KM schools you will get a 'worse version' of MMA in regards to technique like he mentions......true in most cases, my MMA training didn't teach me to think outside of the box, any scenario drills or strategic decision making (which is actually more relevant than good technique in self defense). I've seen pro MMA guys (that would beat the shit out of me one on one) make a complete fool of themselves in a multiple attacker drill or weapon scenario, they'd do exactly what would get them killed the fastest way possible. Now could they learn that stuff pretty quickly, of course.....they're pro athletes, wouldn't take much time probably, but they don't teach any of that in MMA, that's the point.
If you go into a BJJ school that only teach the sports aspect rather than the self defense aspect. Walk out, not all BJJ schools are the same. Same goes for Krav Maga, if a Krav Maga school doesn’t have Scenario and Pressure Training. Walk out and find another school. I have trained in Boxing, BJJ, Judo, and now Krav Maga. I have seen BJJ purple and brown belts get mopped up in the streets and they get disappointed afterwards. Mainly because they were taught the sport aspect of BJJ. I have heard Krav Maga peeps get destroyed because their school didn’t have Scenario and Pressure training. So it really all depends on the school and on the person. Side note, 99% of fights does end up on the ground but 100% of fights begins standing. Food for thought.
Any practice is better than no practice. I am a Krav student because I am retired and travel to third world countries for adventure. I just want to be ready for my own life experiences. Hopefully mugging will be the worst if any. I certainly won't be rolling around on the ground with anyone mainly because I am too old, too short and not strong enough. Go with what works for your own situations. Professional fighting or tournament fighting or street fighting or just getting into shape and having fun. Best wishes,
Jason Wadkins I agree. I feel that mma and bjj, lack a lot of weapons understanding , including edged and impact. As well as awareness and situational scenarios. They do offer a great base for most hand to hand combat you would encounter, and without training in mma (including bjj or some form of grappling) it would put you at a huge disadvantage i
For those who want the quick answer: "Krav Maga is just really bad MMA". 1:17 WOW devastating... I don't know yet if I agree, as military it's supposed to use it, isn't it? But I do know and consider BJJ and Muay Thai and wrestling are a hell of a package, obviously.
In the military, they try to teach more mindset and fitness than body mechanics and technical skill. Of course, when you get into military martial arts, you start to see a very practical approach to things. Firstly, you would avoid a hand to hand situation, unless it was somehow advantageous to you in a specific situation. Moreover, you should train up what you do most, a boxer trains to punch, a wrestler trains to wrestle, and shooters train to shoot. Weapons training is extremely practical and can even cross over to other arts (it helped me with footwork, economy of motion, and spacial awareness), but it is a very different (and supremely practical) skillset.
He obviously has not met a properly trained practitioner. In a cage the KM practitioner would have the MMA fighters eye gouged out - "before" the referee says fight. Only an idiot would compare KM to martial arts. It isn't. It's a fighting system that would use any prop at hand to get the job done including elbows to the top of the spine during a takedown.
Biggest issue with krav maga, is that they sell you on this idea that you will become a commando when you learn it and practice it. Civilian krav maga is very watered down compared to what they teach in the IDF. The only legit krav maga teacher is Darren Levine of krav maga global, which is the official krav maga training franchise in the united states and the rest of the world. Darren who was one of the select few who was taught by Imi Litchfield (the original founder). Amir parets (ex isreali commando) as well as eyal yalinov (hope I'm spelling that right) are as legit as you will get, and we're also taught by Imi. But understand that in isreal, when they train the soldiers, they do it very intensely, like 6 hours a day, with gear, in the heat. It's very similar to the training that the us army goes through with modern army combatives which was taken from the Gracie family and modified like a MMA style system. I've heard Gracie combatives is actually quite effective. I could be wrong. But you have to know where you are getting the training from. Krav maga wasn't designed for long sparring, it was made to be easily learned, and gives you leverage in a very quick manner against an enemy. It's to get out of a bad situation, grab your weapon and fire. So yes, it works. And it's always evolving. It's most effective thing is it's disarming and judo techniques. The great thing about BJJ is it gives you real life practice with an aponent. I'm not sure if that's the case with krav maga. I could be wrong.
I'm no expert in krav maga but I do believe that krav maga in itself is a mix of martial arts that they learn in the Israel military in a way it's MMA but not the sport part of it but you could still learn kickboxing wrestling and Brazilian jiu-jitsu and that would be just as good if not better or the same thing
Pretty much. The issue is that people taut it as a great martial art for self-defense when really, it's just an equivalent to a combatives training course.
Yeah, that's the problem; it's MMA, but without the "sport part" aka the part that makes it work. Training MMA without the sport part (aka doing krav maga) would be like training to be a basketball player just by doing free throws, and never actually playing a game.
I can't help suspecting that the whole Krav Maga discussion exists because they introduced rules into MMA. Otherwise there'd be no excuse not to prove its effectiveness instead of talking about it.
Well in the early ufc events they had no rules just the sportsman ship rules of no nut crash and no poking eyes but the rest as all fair game and I never saw krav maga in there .. Not even in those more violent fights in the underground circuit of (Vale tudo / anything goes )fights in Brazil where it was art vs art the best at one Vs the best at the other and no rules bare hands fighting. .. never saw krav maga. ... So for me krav maga was never tested ... so until then ...
You might be misrepresenting krav maga pretty badly. It's all about getting away from the average attacker and that's all that matters in it. It's all about scientifically figuring out how to respond in a large number of situations and escape as quickly as possible.
@@luisphilipesilva Krav Maga has been tested. I know it's a tiresome trope, but it is the fighting style taught to the Israeli Army, and it saw use in the 2nd Intafada and other Israeli military operations. One major problem with Krav Maga is that it has splintered in to a dozen or more substyles and independent schools follow the personal preferences of whatever instructor owns the school. Sadly it has also become a money making scheme. The quality ranges from very good instructors and schools to abysmal, and the very good probably only represents about 10% of schools now. I trained KM for 3 1/2 years 3 nights a week at a school that taught mostly good techniques, with about 2 instructors that I'd say were outstanding, 1 or 2 that were ok and the other handful were mediocre, but not abysmal. The school had an important connection with a man named Itay Gil, who visited for two weeks every year. You can look the guy up and see his history in the Israeli military and the YAMAM hostage rescue unit. That guy used the brand of Krav Maga taught at the YAMAM (TH-cam search those guys and be impressed) several times on operations when room clearing on raids against HAMAS and Hezbollah. He's still alive. There just weren't a few kids around to film it with their smart phones to upload it on to TH-cam, lol.
I think the common misconception around Krav Maga is that it's meant to turn the student in to a superior martial artist over other martial artists. Krav Maga was designed to train civilian army recruits in the basics of all aspects of fighting quickly for battlefield combat against other soldiers also minimally trained in hand to hand combat. It's philosophy and principles and basic techniques have been adapted for civilian use designed to defend against the most common kinds of attacks that are used in street violence. Common street scenarios include a female being bear hugged from behind while she's walking along, having her hair pulled from behind while walking along, being glassed by a drunk patron in a bar and being sucker punched, headlocked, etc. The techniques are designed to address these situations, which is why in training, rather than beginning on knees facing each other and doing a fist bump before gripping each other's gi, a KM scenario might begin with the student walking along and the training partner walking up behind them and bear hugging them and trying to drag them away, the kind of attacks that don't happen in MMA, which assumes two opponents ready for each other waiting for the ref to say fight. So the point is a well trained MMA fighter with a few years under their belt will be all over a Krav Maga student with the same amount of training behind them, because KM doesn't train to defend the armbar or the twister, or to go five rounds. It trains to defend against the kinds of attacks that are used by untrained attackers in random, surprise and disadvantaged situations, such as while sitting in your car or on a bus, and the objective of every fight is to disengage as quickly as possibly and sprint 100m from the scene of the attack. When I graded, you failed your tests if you didn't end every drill by sprinting away. Escape was drummed in to students.
To say that in a self defence scenario you’re not usually exchanging blows is absolutely delusional. Watching a few dozen randomly selected CCTV footage videos of street violence blows that thesis out of the water. Yes there’s grabbing, but there’s also a LOT of poor technique punching. But Jiu Jitsu is definitely the ideal art for LE. I’ve trained with a few police officers in both Jiu Jitsu and Krav Maga, which is great. The sad part is they have to do it in their own time because the training in DTs is abysmal at the academy like the guy said. At least they can claim their training fees as a work related tax deduction at the end of each financial year.
@@eddiehazard3340 What’s your take on his comment that you’re not exchanging blows in a street fight? After analysing hours of CCTV footage of real street fights could you still hold that position credibly?
@@wattlebough As an MMA coach of many years, and a muay thai kickboxer, and a boxer, I think punches happen in a fight. For sure. But keep in mind, I believe Matt was a semi-pro boxer before he even did Jeet Kune Do, before Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. He likes boxing, he likes punching, etc. Matt's view here (I think, from listening to him for years) is that if you can run, you should. And his view is that if you are trading punches, you could probably run. With the tendency for a "Partner" to come up behind you and suckerpunch you, or swing by in a car - matt's right. Likewise, if you are cornered, someone is punching you, and you can't get away - one of you is going to grab the other eventually - even 2nd graders do this in the lunchroom fight. Even boxers do it, when it's illegal in their sport - etc. it's natural. So either way, someones going to grab you. They aren't going to just dance around all day - and if they do - you should run (this is what Matt is saying, I believe.) So I understand your point. People punch, sure they do. But the fight won't be punching for long if you can't get away, it will be grappling and punching combined. And if it goes that way, wrestling and bjj are going to save the day. Keep in mind - Matt is a pro level striking coach. He has Sityodtong Kru's in his system. He has pro boxers in his system. He's saying this for a reason. Most street fights go to someone grabbing, if they can't get away. Much respect. Stay safe.
The bit of Krav Maga I trained in while I was in SF is far different than what is being taught in civilian schools. For starters, we were pressure tested. I've had training in Wrestling, Kenpo, Hapkido, TKD, and Shotokan. All have their strong points and weak points. The best thing is to have a proper mindset and to know how to apply what you learned to the street. Even a TKD practitioner can be effective in real world scenarios if he/she sticks to simple and practical techniques and not complicated spinning kicks. Anyone saying grappling arts like BBJ and wrestling are great for the streets has never been in a real street fight against multiple opponents. Is grappling good to know? You bet! even if you know enough to survive being taken down so you can get back up is a lot better than not having any grappling knowledge.
MMA is better for fighting. Some people erroneously believe that in a no rules situation, a krav maga practitioner will beat an MMA fighter in a 1v1 unarmed fight to the death, because the krav maga guy knows groin kicks and eye gouges. In reality the MMA fighter would almost certainly dominate such a fight, as they spar much more often and with greater intensity than most krav maga practitioners. As well, in a 1v1 fight, position is the single most effective predictor of victory, which means wrestling (which krav maga people prefer to avoid) is a highly important skill. Imagine yourself trying to gouge someone's eye from beneath them vs. from on top of them -- which position would you rather be in? As well, dangerous krav maga techniques are very hard to spar with, and any martial artist knows that drilling without sparring is like coding without debugging. Krav maga is better for self-defense. Some people erroneously believe that being better equipped to fight 1v1 means being better equipped to defend yourself against an assault. This is not true -- A big component of self-defense are the non-combative skills: Seeing a threat before it happens, verbal de-escalation in a conflict, and running away as soon as possible. Krav maga hones these soft skills, as well as places an emphasis on constantly scanning for multiple attackers. Almost every single drill ends with running away (in MMA it's the opposite -- you chase down and secure your opponent when you have the advantage). As well, it prioritizes avoiding going to the ground and even avoiding grappling as much as possible, which is a good idea when multiple attackers are possible. Dirty fighting is heavily emphasized -- the groin kick is probably the most common combo-starter. It also has solutions to being attacked by weapons, which are of course not foolproof, but are way more practical than weapons defenses in most other martial arts. 1v1 unarmed fight to the death, MMA is better -- surviving and running away from gang assault, krav maga is better. But if you take both, you will be better in both types of situations than if you had only taken one or the other. An MMA fighter who fluently exploits groin kick opportunities would tend to beat an MMA fighter who doesn't, all things being equal. A krav maga practitioner who tests their skills against truly competitive opponents will be much better equipped to escape/counter common holds and strikes than one who doesn't. So learn both if you're passionate about martial arts. I would like to point out that I respect this man very highly for being 100% honest with his opinion
I took Krav Maga on and off for about two years. The only compliment I have is that the striking combos they taught were...fine. It helps that the head instructor was a taekwondo master and the assistant instructor was a certified kickboxing coach. But even then, the "advanced" students who had been in the class for YEARS were still at an orange belt level of profiency. But that's the only slightly redeeming quality. Other than that, it was A) *awful* grappling and B) terrible gun/knife disarms. I would bet on someone with 6 months of boxing, karate, muay thai, or any other combat sport over someone with 6 years of krav maga.
I believe Krav Maga is a bit of an exercise in futility. I have years of experience in striking, grappling and MMA; and come from a very robust fitness background. Therefore, I feel very confident with my skills in combat sports scenario. The only times I've been in a ''street scenario'', these skills counted for absolutely nothing. That's where Krav Maga is supposed to come in. However, the skills Krav Maga claims to teach you ALSO would have been absolutely pitifully useless in the scenarios I'm describing. Scenario number one was me being kidnapped by 4 small, weak mean, with pistols and assault rifles. Scenario number two was me being held at gunpoint by a van full of men with assault rifles. MMA and Krav Maga are equally useless in those scenarios - being calm and obeying their commands are the only reason I'm alive. But if a random drunk dude on the street picks a fight with me - MMA would be infinitely more useful than Krav.
Why are you talking in extremes to prove a point? Krav Maga is indeed a bad MMA, it's because there are average Joes who don't want to fight and do tournaments but learn how to throw a basic punch or kick, and understand the mindset required to be safe in a street encounter.
Someone should tell Matt that there's a difference between bad schools with poorly trained instructors and the Krav Maga combat system itself. Besides, not only does the Israel military train in it but also the highly touted Navy Seals. If KM is supposedly just bad MMA then I highly doubt that the Seals would be as highly regarded as they are given that they train in it.
Krav Maga has until recently enjoyed the good reputation of the Israeli army. Since Krav Maga is taught to Israeli soldiers, many of us assumed that Krav Maga had to be a great martial art. I think that we're all susceptible to whatever sounds effective and life enhancing. Back in the seventies and eighties, we were sold on the idea that karate and kung fu and later ninjutsu would make us invincible warriors. Martial arts teachers counted on our susceptibility to gravitate towards the promise to become a real-life ninja. Whereas Asian countries benefitted from the promotion of martial arts movies, Israel benefits from its promotion of Krav Maga. Just as Israel is portrayed as a small country able to defend itself against bigger foes, Krav Maga is promoted as an effective martial art that will allow you to defend yourself against a bigger and stronger opponent.
@@sbgipdx Just a question: Can the KM guy use the keys from the referee's pocket to gouge out the eye of the MMA fighter. Because if not then it isn't a fair fight.
This guy is so full of himself. Arrogant and biased in his preferred art. Jiu-Jitsu is a sport. One I love very much. Krav Maga is strike in self defense and run. They are hardly comparable. This guy to me is like saying the guy flailing around in Indiana jones was a better martial artist than Indiana who pulled out a gun (krav) and shot him. There are no Krav "competitions". Yes Jiu-Jitsu is awesome. A great supplement to someone who wants experience with self-defense and grappling. Great for learning chokes. And then what?... Now I have to bla bla about why I say that : I have 20 years experience in 60 countries with Karate, Taikwando, Aikido, BJJ, Muay Thai, and Krav. Krav is the fundamentals for an assailant or multiple assailants in a life and death scenario. Krav trains to break and maime with no rules quickly and get away. MMA has rules. I was a smoker fighter in Thailand for 3 years, MMA and Muay Thai, and I switched to Krav. Why?... because with every martial art, there is a moment your instinct says stop. You'll hurt him too much, or get a foul or be DQ'd. Krav doesn't have that. Almost every action in Krav would be DQ'd in any competition in the first 10 seconds, while in real life it would break bones, joints, organs, and kill. Additionally, Krav is very focused on defense against weapons. I wanted to have survival instincts where if I am attacked I don't hold back. And the faster you disable your attacker, the higher your chance of survival. Krav is survival. That said, there are multiple layers and motivations from students and teachers and business owners. Both Krav and BJJ have unfortunately been commercialized. The best of BJJ and Krav have been watered down into a form more digestible for joe shmo who wouldn't last a lesson in either if it wasn't presented in a form that he would come and pay week after week. I say this as someone who doesn't compare to those I have been surrounded by. The serious practitioners of Krav vs. BJJ.... I'm going to choose Krav. A true comparison could only be replicated in a bloodsport no rules scenario. I'd take Krav over BJJ.
Jiujitsu is for fighting. Matt came up through the Vale Tudo days of BJJ, where striking was the norm. If experienced Krav practitioners cannot beat a BJJ blue belt, something is wrong with Krav.
Here’s the catch, when a Krav Maga student, even an advanced student, enters a BJJ academy, he’s there to learn BJJ, the BJJ ethos and rules. If you’ve ever trained a new art after having trained for a while in a different style you know that you don’t go in to a new school and bring your old style out in the mats. A guy that did Wing Chun doesn’t go in to a Boxing gym (I’m not a fan of Wing Chun by the way) to learn boxing and start doing Wing Chun while he’s sparring. He boxes. because he’s new to Boxing and he follows boxing techniques and rules that are new to him when he goes up against a training partner who’s been training solidly for a year he’s going to struggle. Reverse the roles and get an experienced Boxer in a Wing Chun school with the same two guys and suddenly the Boxer will have no clue. He won’t start Boxing while he’s sparring because he’s their to learn Wing Chun and has to follow Wing Chun rules. I’ve been doing Jiu jitsu for a little over two years after having done Boxing and Muay Thai for a while and I had blue belts and 4 stripe white belts, heck even 2 stripe white belts, wipe the floor with me when I first started because I followed IBBJF rules, we usually start rolling on our knees after a hand slap and fist bump and I never threw a single punch, knee strike or elbow or stood up. I also trained Krav Maga for just shy of 4 years at one of the better schools out there that followed a syllabus co-developed by Itay Gil. The only time I ever used Krav Maga techniques in Jiu Jitsu classes was for break falls, and when I was invited by my Jiu Jitsu professor to teach the class Krav Maga breakfalls because he’d seen me doing them. I got really good feedback from the guys over the quality of the breakfalls because they were receptive to new ideas, and the detail in my instruction which was encouraging.
If you put a boxer in a wing chun class his boxing will most certainly still work and it will probably be super effective. I get your point but that was a bad example.
@@nietzschesmustache4100 A boxer taking a Wing Chun class will not be free to use any of his boxing techniques. He’s forced to comply with the rules and mindset of the class he’s in.
@@wattlebough I meant in a real fight. If you wanna see that just google it. Ip mans direct lineage has been beaten by a boxer using only one arm and many other type instances.
@@nietzschesmustache4100 I understand that. I believe in the superiority of boxing (having trained in boxing) but that’s losing sight of my original point. The point is that different rules create different outcomes.
if you take a krav maga student and a bjj student and put them on the dirt and say use your system, the bjj student will take the krav maga's student's lunch.... 9 times out of 10. reason.... lack of sparring rolling in krav maga make it near useless.
I'm 46 years old been doing martial arts sense I was about 16. I started off learn Kenpo Karate then I studied a little bit in Judo and jiu jitsu. I've also picked up other styles here and there. Point is I'm pretty well trained and confident in my abilities. I've actually had to use what I know. In my experience there is no good or bad forms of martial arts. It's more of a matter of how much time you put in to it and can you develop it to be effective on streets. That takes a basic understand of what happen in a fight and shifting through what you know and using what works and discarding what doesnt. All forms of Martial Arts have something in them that is effective in a fight. That being said if I had to pick one form that is the best and the most effective it would be Brazilian Jiu-jitsu. You learn a little bit of everything but where it really shines is how to take some one down and then how to dominate them. It doesn't matter how small or big you are compared to your opponent. I've saw a 90 pound girl take down a 180 pound guy to ground and just completely dominated him. It was so bad he couldn't even put up a fight. She just well train compared to him. But like anything what you put in to it is what you get out.
I'm sorry but "there is no good or bad forms of martial arts." simply isn't true. "All forms of Martial Arts have something in them that is effective in a fight" Going to have to say no to that as well.
Exactly…plenty of martial arts are top to bottom delusion. This idea that everything goes is just nonsense. Some stuff works and other stuff doesn’t. Can’t believe people don’t get this still.
Krav Maga isn´t that different from MMA. Think of it this way. Boxing, with kicks added is Kick Boxing. Kick boxing with BJJ (Gracie Jiu Jitsu) added is MMA. MMA with the aspect of the street (possibility of multiple opponents, weapons, and hard surface, no rule sets etc) added is Krav Maga. It´s just another dimension.The more you add, the less you will be proficient in a single area, such as for instance grappling. It´s only natural that Krav Maga students will be dominated in grappling by BJJ students. Off course. On the other hand, Krav Maga students will be better than the BJJ student or the MMA student in situational awereness, weapon disarms etc. Krav Maga students coming to Matts gym to cross train grappling is a good thing. Just as MMA fighters may seek out good grappling clubs or boxing gyms to enhance their abbilities in these more specialized areas.
John Christensen it was an affiliate of Krav Maga worldwide one of the Best known in America. If you want to say there’s only real Krav in Israel 🤷♂️ idk never been there
Time for me to stop being ignorant I thought Krav Maga and mma was the answer enough bjj to be applicable and little bits of all the other arts in both and everything else that Krav Maga teaches like weapon fighting and disarms and all the disadvantageous situations like multiple opponents, size differences, dirty hits when necessary and pressure testing along with everything else that’s taught with mma there to reinforce the foundation of Krav Maga fighting since it’s basically mma with all that other stuff taught I hope that’s a good idea if both are taught by experienced practiciobers and not mcdojo practitioners but I wouldn’t be ignorant if bjj alone is just a better way to go
Surprisingly I have a similar amount of time up in both styles. I think if you put two people with similar athleticism and ability who’d both trained the same amount of time, one in only KM and the other Jiu Jitsu only, with no previous martial arts experience, if they both stuck only to the rules of their art I think the BJJ guy would get a run for his money. I found this guys story about KM guys being wiped by blue belts interesting because I was that guy as I’m sure you were. When I first started jiu jitsu it wasn’t a case of Krav Maga versus Jiu Jitsu, it was guy who doesn’t know jiu jitsu trying to follow jiu jitsu rules versus guy who knows jiu jitsu, I did everything following BJJ rolling rules, I never threw a punch. It was never BJJ versus “your art”, we were all there to learn Jitz.
@@wattlebough More like two stripe white belt wipes the floor with me lol. I still think even if I was allowed to throw punches kicks ect a blue belt would have destroyed me.
@@BobBob-il2ku You are not supposed to stay on the ground in KM. Go for the enemy's balls and stand up as quickly as possible. Being physically strong helps either. If a KM man goes wrestling against a BJJ person, he has no chance getting from the ground.
As an active police officer for almost 20 years let me tell you that cop's learning bjj is a great idea but we also need to know krav maga because bjj isn't going to teach you how to disarm a suspect who is trying to stick a 12 inch knife in your chest.
These kinds of comments just prove that BJJ is a cult. It has been a cult for a long time in addition to being a sport. Cultists attribute magical powers to their hobby based on faith.
Krav maga is designed to evade the attack and if that's not possible to destroy the attacker. Imi was a boxer and wrestler who originated the system. We say it's not a pretty method but it is effective. It's classed as a system and not an art.
Why do all these guys who say "train mma or bjj for self defence" never mention weapon attacks, multiple attackers, etc. Dont they realise how dangerous weapons, multiple attackers, surprise attacks and environmental attacks are. MMA will not train you for any of this at all.
Neither will Krav Maga… They will give you false confidence and make you believe you can defend against a knife. I’ll tell you a fact: If you can’t say you’re 100% sure you can defend yourself against a stronger opponent, what makes you think you can defend yourself against a knife? … Teaching a noob knife defense skills is pointless, because they’ll freeze no matter what. However someone who’s been trained in combat with hard sparring will have a much bigger chance at defending against a knife because both confidence and fighting skills will be better.
@@ricksterdrummer2170 At least you will have learned techniques against a knife. And I would like to add that Krav Maga will not give you false confidence, it is made very clear that fighting a knife wielder is dangerous and knife defence does not make you invincible, just far better at survival than someone who knows nothing about knife defence. Here is a video of a professional MMA fighter defending against plastic knife attacks in the gym. th-cam.com/video/-ShHJT4zF0I/w-d-xo.html
I did bjj jjj kickboxing all sorts. Every time I got attacked I froze. Krav and defence lab I have not been in a situation since studying with them but I don't think I would freeze. The mindset is completely different. I think kravs philosophy is effective. I recognise that BJJ is superior but it's no good if I freeze
Fascinating, Krav may not have the perfect grapple RNC defense but seeing how BJJ has very little to no weapon defense, tell me which art seems less prepared for the street. BJJ has no defense for multiple attackers as we know and is only good if it is mano y mano. BJJ has no situational awareness and only seeks to take it to the floor to be effective. Again, which martial art seems ready for the streets.
That's not true at all. Take a look at historical training manuals, clinch and grappling is essential to weapon defense. If you really think Krav is better for "the streets" go challenge someone smaller than you who has an equivalent time training BJJ to your krav and see what happens.
@@sbgipdx I have and pulled out a magic marker to simulate a knife. It was quite revealing and colorful. Krav hardly fights fair. Again, which arts seems ready for the streets. Cheers!
@@theengineer704 anyone who practices in a combat sport or martial art long enough, effectively, and is good at it can be ready for the streets. MMA and Krav have their pros and cons. Just so happens to be that MMA is more effective into self defense and fighting. Krav maga teaches you disarms and dirty tactics but believe me, it’s sad that it has been milked into a mcdojo art because of terrible instructors making their students believe they can kick ass. Any MMA fighter that’s in a street fight has an advantage with both experience and using dirty tactics. Just because we train with “rules” doesn’t mean we wouldn’t use eye poking and groin strikes in a street fight. Dirty tactics are extremely easy and anyone can use them.
@@sbgipdx Then throw in a couple of passing drunks and in the takedown add elbow strikes to the top of the spinal column and lets not forget the teeth on those soft fleshy parts.
lol I like this. Very diplomatic. I Would love to interview you on our tactical podcast sometime. Lmk if you'd have an hour to sit down on a zoom call. Thanks for keeping it real brother!
I've trained Krav for years (along with BJJ & Boxing). Like everything, there are great schools and not so great schools. Krav is a mindset, one designed to help keep you safe and out of harm's way (and effective at resolving bad situations if you can not avoid them). That said, this test is total garbage. you can not put a krav maga practitioner on a mat with a blue belt and expect them to emerge victorious under your rule set. Once biting, eye gauging, and anything else I can think of in the moment to create space and break your willingness to continue to try and attack me are off the table, the BJJ practitioners refined skills on the mat are going to win every time. All that said, I am a big fan of training both. Krav for the mindset and awareness, BJJ for the skill, discipline, and competitive aspects (and boxing because it's hands down the best mental and physical training program every invented).
Every system has its optimal application. Bjj guys always say they are the only ones who have the right stuff (they arent) Here he says its usually a grappling situation (its not) so… hammer guy thinks all scenarios are nails… I agree if your studying krav you should be able to comport yourself on the ground, but some attacks are with bludgeoning or bladed weopons and firearms, and they always begin standing. The ground should be avoided at all costs in the wild. But in the unfortunate event it does go down (more likely if you only study jiu jitsu, hammer/nail paradox) does your school roll with weopons? Do they roll om dirty comcrete in an alley? In the rain on wet grass? No? They should if they call it self defense, otherwise its sport. A good krav instructor will address this. Additionally, neither the level one krav student curriculum nor L1 training certification seems to include a rigorous ground component, it doesnt come in until the later levels (I think this is a system design error) so yeah a ground specialist will torch a krav noob. It doesnt mean one has more or less value than the other, it just means they are at different stages in their process. In a perfect world Id have krav students sparring mma rigorously and training the situation based techniques like car jacking, active shooter in public space, parking garage ambush etc under realistic stress (as safely as possible) ideally in the actual environment or as close to it as can be simulated. In a rash guard on mats in bare feet is not how a real violent encounter will unfold
I think a good KM school teaches aggression training beyond what most jitsu schools train, which IMO is a big plus in a street altercation. Of course, on the ground the Jitsu schools would be better, as would be Judo. I think of Krav as Atemi on steroids. But it depends on your instructor more than any particular style, IMO.
You didn't get my reverse question.... ! I am not saying you should go to the ground by choice. I am not saying one shouldn't use striking in a fight. (I did Amateur boxing for 4 years. Still love 'till this day, some bag drills and fun Sparring) But hey...If you wanna play the "What If"... so be it. Like you stated (and very well) there can be more than one opponent and WHAT IF one of them tackles you and you end up on the floor ?! D1 Wrestlers and high level Judokas also get thrown... what makes you think that just because you DID some judo... You somehow think you are able to keep the fight standing ?! Maybe relying on what... on your Kung Fu ?! Which style by the way ?! ... 🤷🏻♂️ You also wrote: "DID JUDO". That is different to " I DO JUDO " ... Way different ! Once on the floor, spazz all you want, you're Fkced either way. I rather have tools and confidence in what to do to on the floor get out and escape. Lots of BJJ dojos do similar training... With gloves on and grappling 2 versus 1. Standing up... I will keep my boxing training.✌🏼👌🏼 As a former veteran and active LEO patrol for the past 14 years, I can assure you I've been in some scuffles and lot's of resisting opponents not wanting to be taken down and handcuffed... And I did alright. Still here 🙌🏼🤙🏼
Things like krav are really best for two things. 1: take someone who already does judo, jujitsu, wrestling etc and give them extra self defense tools so they have the instinct to break noses and gouge eyes out with car keys etc and use their grappling and gripwork skills to stuff takedowns and _avoid_ too much grappling where it would be dangerous to get tied up in a real self defense situation (clinch with a guy and he stabs you, grapple with a guy while his buddy stabs you, etc ), to help round out their skillset for those types of self defense situations. 2: As just a means to train and foster basic qualities like ferocity and toughness along with some simple defensive/offensive basics for the non technical, for self defense for the civilian
... or for the military conscript where you need to give a broad range of individuals , some trained fighters but mostly not, just some basic level of toughness and simple techniques.
A little bit of everything means expert of nothing. . It's like being a jack of all trades and master of none. A person needs to really understand what their are doing , taking the time to absorb the techniques and understand them ... just because one is doing a bit of boxing, wrestling and some techniques of jiu-jitsu doesn't make anyone a fighter or prepared for whatever. ..ok he may have some basic knowledge but that's about it ..and poking eyes, punch the throat and kicking balls doesn't need much training anyone can do it, trained or not ... Didn't Bruce Lee said : i fear not the guy that has a million kicks, but I fear the guy that train one kick a million times ... ??? One thing I give you ( it's better to know something, instead of knowing nothing at all ) but one also must be realistic about what he knows, cause ( the since of false security and false confidence) it's a virus among self-defense systems and traditional martial arts. .. in order to know how to fight /defend your self or even be able to apply those techniques under pressure in a fight, one needs to fight , he needs to do free sparring with different level of control but that's the only way. .. and jiu-jitsu and muay thai, boxing, kickboxing or catch wrestling they fight (sparring ) from day one , and that's what makes them so powerful because they are used to apply techniques and making adjustments in microseconds under pressure, other arts can not ....sparring is the glue that combines the technique with self control , reading time and body language and mechanics together in order to get maximum efficiency with those same techniques. . OSU
BJJ, Boxing, MMA does not train you to fight against weapons, more than one person, removing yourself from a dangerous situation. If you want to roll around on a mat in AC, with a ref, and tap anytime it gets too hard for you, go do BJJ.
We have some (but not much) weapon training at my MMA school. BUT I'm guessing an MMA school would 'school' you're art at anything. It's just the way it is now.
@@godeater6382 MMA has drills also. So does bjj and boxing! So what's your point? Are you saying that krav maga doesn't work because it teaches drills. All fighting arts teach drills!
Krav Maga is not MMA, in Krav Maga you do weapons self defense, dealing with multiple attackers, gauging eyes, hitting the neck and private parts. BJJ and MMA will not work is not designed for multiple attackers. KM is not bad MMA but street MMA.
I think a big aspect of Krav Maga is overlooked here and thats defence against armed Opponents. Krav Maga training involves defence against guns, knives and sticks.
Pretty much confirmation bias here....so many factors.....personally, at 6'4" 270 lbs, and a legit KM black belt, I am 90% confident I could destroy a BJJ black belt in 3 seconds or less....now...I may take one of his eyes, or badly damage his trac, neck collar bones or all of the above, but I'm not governed by any 'rules'....my role is to destroy an aggressor in seconds. Size and commitment to the 'stop' are factors.
I think that is the real issue here. I’m not trained in either but from what I understand, Krav Maga is an absolute no rules system meant to survive a street encounter. It is not for competition.
He said basically krav maga it's bullshit. .. it's good for ambush counters but in a face to face fight the surprise it's gone and krav maga goes out the window. .. If a blue belt jiu-jitsu can wipe the floor with a black belt in krav maga that tell us everything there is to know about it ... Remember that poking eyes and kicking balls anyone can do it, with training or not like I said these are ambush counters that won't help when both know they are gonna fight. Everything must be tested under pressure sparring if not then you don't know for sure if it works against all body types. .. Example there are guys that fight with broken arms, there are guys that can take a pouch in the nuts and still keeps on fighting the same goes for everything. .. you need to sparr to understand the damage of your techniques and how the body reacts to them , also you need to know if you can take a hit too ..
@@luisphilipesilva Here’s the catch, when a Krav Maga student, even an advanced student, enters a BJJ academy, he’s there to learn BJJ, the BJJ ethos and rules. If you’ve ever trained a new art after having trained for a while in a different style you know that you don’t go in to a new school and bring your old style out in the mats. A guy that did Wing Chun doesn’t go in to a Boxing gym (I hate Wing Chun by the way) to learn boxing and start doing Wing Chun while he’s sparring. He boxes. because he’s new to Boxing and he follows boxing techniques and rules that are new to him when he goes up against a training partner who’s been training solidly for a year he’s going to struggle. Reverse the roles and get an experienced Boxer in a Wing Chun school with the same two guys and suddenly the Boxer will have no clue. He won’t start Boxing while he’s sparring because he’s their to learn Wing Chun and has to follow Wing Chun rules. I’ve been doing Jiu jitsu for a little over two years after having done Boxing and Muay Thai for a while and I had blue belts and 4 stripe white belts, heck even 2 stripe white belts, wipe the floor with me when I first started because I followed IBBJF rules, we usually start rolling on our knees after a hand slap and fist bump and I never threw a single punch, knee strike or elbow or stood up. I also trained Krav Maga for just shy of 4 years at one of the better schools out there that followed a syllabus co-developed by Itay Gil. The only time I ever used Krav Maga techniques in Jiu Jitsu classes was for break falls, and when I was invited by my Jiu Jitsu professor to teach the class Krav Maga breakfalls because he’d seen me doing them. I got really good feedback from the guys over the quality of the breakfalls because they were receptive to new ideas, and the detail in my instruction which was encouraging.
I think that the Krav Maga you see at most (not all schools) in the us is diluted at best. In the Israeli military there is a LOT of sparring in most combat units. Also use of the rifle as an impact weapon is highly emphasized. You are also mostly working in a team environment, not usually a one on one scenario or one vs multiple opponents, although it is possible. The level of training varies from unit to unit. So for example a regular infantry unit , will generally not have the same level of training as a special forces to unit etc. A non-combat unit also much less krav training than infantry. And even then there are instructors which recieve a much higher level of training, that go to an academy for Krav Maga, which nowadays includes many other aspects of fighting and is sometimes used as a blanket term for martial arts in Israel. A LOT of the instructors come from a martial art background of some sort , including judo, bjj, mma, karate and others. Krav Maga is also integrated with counter terror , and various transitions to weapons. I think the krav you see there gives actual Krav Maga a bad name. But yes the average soldier will have a very basic understanding of krav and martial arts in general. In Israel conscription to the military is mandatory for most, and with that they must give a basic hand to hand combat to the average soldier in a short period of time. With the average soldier coming from a background with zero martial arts in general. However there if looking for a complete system I would personally suggest bjj or mma over the average krav school for sure . And bjj with mma style training will generally produce better results for most empty handed situations.And also bjj is a very complete system for grappling and is very effective. Btw I really like this channel and the content.
The fact that people are still having this stupid discussion is unbelievable. BJJ is great unless the attacker has a weapon. If the attacker has a weapon then you need to know proper weapon disarm techniques. MMA and BJJ is very effective if the attacker is unarmed but it is absolutely ineffective is the attacker is armed.
This couldn't be further from the truth. In fact some of the best knife defense comes from Greco roman wrestling. So a lot of bjj is directly applicable to weapons defense. Turns out the bet method to control someone's hands doesn't change when that hand has a weapon.
@@sbgipdx Stop reaching! Bjj is bjj. Greco Roman is Greco Roman. They are not the same. Your not talking to a novice. I have 20 years of law enforcement experience and 30 years of martial arts experience which includes Greco Roman. I have seen bjj's version of knife defense. Not very practical at all.
I think you can ask yourself if a S.W.A.T.-team police man is a better police man then a avarage patrol man/cop. What means better? Does time count? The purpose of Krav Maga was to get quick results to self defence ability and to a variation of common attacks. So you compare a system krav maga which want to provide quick results to big number of possible events (and its not fix system and I see in the US it is watered down to fitness aspects) to a specialised sport. Every police man a puple belt I read here. Really? In which fantasy world do you live? Back to the video: What would happen if the Krav Maga guy would hurt the bjj guy badly? Ask your self and think about what you do if you push a guy and act cocky on him.
Andrew Yang is the one who suggested cops be BJJ purple belts, not Matt. Krav doesn't provide quick results, and as Matt pointed out, experienced Krav practitioners were getting torn apart by novices in MMA/BJJ.
Really bad MMA is a great way of putting it and people always say but MMA doesn't teach the dirty stuff but the dirty stuff is so easily added because you already understand how to manipulate 99% of the person that gauging someone's eyes out is something you just do in the moment Im constantly joking around with dirty tricks when training MMA the shit I would use in an actual fight is so much more gross than the stuff we apply in the gym
What this guy doesn't tell you is bjj is only good for 1 on 1 fight I would love to see this guy try bbj against 2 or 3 people on the street 😂 your head is getting cracked like an egg. Krav maga was designed for street fighting where you don't go to the ground and is self defence and sometimes the best self defence is don't be there in other words stun your attacker and runaway and if you can't runaway fight like a rottweiler and do anything to win like go for the eyes and the other soft parts and use anything and do anything you can to win
Its absolutely legit!!! But more importantly its forward/advancing art form which teahes awareness and fighting techniques whether its defensive or offensive.
This is too funny…I hear things like this all of the time and I can’t help but laugh. Of course your blue belts wiped the floor with them…they where grappling. If they hadn’t something would be wrong…I wonder how it would have turned out if your guys would have done if they would have got kick in the nuts, eye poked, broke nose, etc…it would have been entirely different & I bet you and your students would have been upset and would have said what the f***?? Anytime you go play someone else’s game, you are most likely going to loose…imagine a football player that can’t play basketball walking into the basketball court and playing…after they get beat the basketball coach says, my guys wiped the floor with them…🙄😂
😂if you are talking about the first UFC’s then you are too funny!😂 Though they did have less rules at the beginning. That’s hardly what this guy is talking about. I guess you have never seen anyone get kicked in the nuts in the UFC. You might want to check that out.😂
Thoughts: -It is not really very nice to say that 'krav maga...markets itself'. Krav maga is a construct created by people and the only one who can do the marketing is a person or people. Where are the examples of krav maga being marketed in a certain manner? I have mostly seen the opposite myself; I see young and middle-aged men making a fuss about MMA and BJJ and even videos titled "You must do BJJ". -It is my understanding that krav maga is partially a training philosophy, which can be compared to first aid or emergency medicine: there are certain facts and practices in medicine and first aid that may never be refuted as they are so strongly established but the specifics keep changing according to real world experience. Doctors around the world have slightly different ideas about the specifics and over time some treatment techniques are modified or refined. Paramedics today may not function in the exact same way all over the world but they are mindful of similar core principles even though they are called different names in different languages. In a similar vein krav maga has different names and since it is not a sanctioned sport it does not have universal rules and regulations like boxing. This is a good thing and a bad thing as it could lead to poor instructors riding the name but it also allows for new ideas to get more exposure. -If someone did research on how young men conceptualize violence and self-defense, I suspect it would be very different from the way women or men of advanced age understand it. Most of our ancestors did just fine without any martial arts in a far more violent world and they used weapons to fight when they had to or could. In some cultures in Europe and North America (mediated by socioeconomic class) men measure their manhood by their indicators of physical dominance; muscularity, height, experience in extreme sports, military and martial arts etc. whereas in other cultures men compete over who is the best dancer and can woo women the best with his moves. When a young man says that "I must train martial art X and then Z" he is not describing genuine biological needs (sitting on a man's chest on a mat is not going to reproduce your genes) but rather the cultural 'prescription' his modern shaman doctor gave for him in his masculine subculture; "if I only do these things, then my bucket list of alpha things is complete". From the perspective of survival obsessing about 'fighting' is self-attacking as much as it is self-defense because you're spending your limited time on intricacies that were probably subtly force fed to you as necessary. Even though you could fulfill your biological destiny by becoming a good dancer and in doing so go straight to the women and the good time, how many male adolescents in the US and Western Europe are concerned about being good dancers? There are not that many because people in those circles mostly keep to themselves and they do not make prescriptions. There are lots of tiny guys, neurologically atypical guys and others that were bullied as kids owing to the fact that public school mixes kids of all backgrounds together and often our fathers did not help matters because in his time we had even less understanding. The bullies create subtle trauma which has you believing that physical dominance is super important if not the most important thing in life and on some level you believe it because you're a child and your reasoning skills are very limited; your PE instructor is not going to teach you how to dance but rather generic 'man sports'. So later on in life these guys keep living their lives according to the prescription of their dominant culture where bullying and old school masculinity are intertwined; "sure the bullies were mean and it's over but you still need to have the same hobby as Joe Rogan". Instead of looking at where our true talents and interests lie, lots of us spend years or in some cases decades of our lives trying to live up to someone else's idea of masculinity and we are not even very good in it but after we have used all that time on it for all the wrong reasons, our ego is so attached to that warrior myth, that hero narrative or what have you, that it's too painful to let go and cut yourself some slack; you were sucked in into that culture based on false promises and the manliest, toughest thing you are ever going to do is admit that it was not all that. So when guys cannot accept their hobby for what it is, which is just another athletic hobby like tennis or ping pong they start handing out prescriptions to far younger men to maintain their dominance on a psychological level; you don't see Michael Phelps telling people how they need to save a drowning person or themselves from drowning but guys with the MMA hobby are sometimes denigrating and ridiculing self-defense instruction (which the Israelis call krav maga), which is doing the public a disservice because it confuses young boys as well as grown women. The opinionated MMA guys are giving cultural prescriptions to cope with toxic masculinity but they are not curing the disease. A woman, any woman has zero use for that prescription any more than a guy needs an operation for ovarian cancer. The young guys should thank them for the prescription but get another opinion from a different MD who represents a slightly different subfield of masculinity.
I think the efficiency IS a question of person. You Can practise karaté with morio higaonna but you 'll never turn into morio higaonna ! It's the same with bjj's gracie . Does every black belt bjj have never lose in a street fight ? Is it a Magic style ? No, obvious. It's just the best system of the World,it's true,but it's not a kind of Magic!
@@hopked yes,it's the best system ,it's obvious,but the system IS the best but what about the who practise ? I told ,in reality all is possible ! But for self défense,i'm agree with you ,it's the best school! Prétend not,it's a stupidity ! When i'm beginning Bjj (2004) WE need 4 years to get a blue belt ( delariva school).now it's 2 .and it's the same everywhere ! It's was the same for judo and karaté during the 70,80,t'en years to get a Black belt. Years After years the level got down ,cause instructors give belt easyly....5 years for a Black belt. The same shit turn around the bjj. He has a name, and his name IS money. Morio higaonna was the most dangerous karatéka of the World . Now he is very old. His system was réaliste. But the best is still Bjj..... encore for how many Time ?
@@didiervidry7687 BJJ is being watered down because the sport aspect is being more focused on Krav Maga is a similar story but Krav Maga is being watered down into a fitness routine for soccor moms.
Same with SOF, elite units like SAS or JTF2 or Delta are trained for defense and survival against weapons. Not for sport. This whole video was stupid lol
Very oversimplified answer from Matt. The krav guys had been doing krav for years before training with Matt, therefore they passed their grading due to years of training beforehand, Matt supplemented a little bit. And what he says about self defense is just plainly wrong. There are many situations where you exchange blows (protecting a third party for example), many situations are not in a close quarter scenario and self defense isn't "going out there and fighting with a crowd watching whilst doing a Lil bit of wrestling and boxing". The military does learn bjj that's true, but they'll also utilize "Krav techniques" like eye gouging etc., but a good krav school will teach grappling besides krav. Lastly, cops don't use krav and prefer bjj 100%. They have to use the proper amount of force, krav would be too dangerous for the suspects
Exactly. BJJ for cops is to pin down a suspect. And cops are rarely alone. Krav is injure or kill your assailant(s) as quickly as possible and run away.
Krav Maga in its proper form, taught properly is probably one of the best if not the best form as it was developed as that, no bs not a sport pure, raw offence and defence.
BJJ is great in the street providing you have a nice soft mat and you’re Ok with getting your ear bitten off, eye pulled out whilst your opponent’s friend is kicking you in the head. 🤣
BJJ is essential in the street so that if someone ends up on top of you, you know how to get up so that you don't get kicked in the head. If you don't know how to grapple and you get knocked over, you're done.
@@sbgipdx His comment still applies, from the bottom you can still gouge out someones eyes without having taken 1 BJJ lesson. You can also bite off a finger to two. That's before a drunk has taken a swipe at your head - top or bottom.
@@tjl4688 With two thumbs rammed down the back of your eye sockets your brain will be in too much of a panic to think of any techniques. The principle is to go for the eyes before you hit the ground, between vocal and physical escalation. As a final note it would be very unlikely that two individuals with a high level of either skills be it BJJ or Applied fighting would come to blows.
Rubbish. In my school of krav maga to get to the to expert one it will take about 6 years of extremely dedicated training, not a few weeks or months. In reality it will take longer. Probably 7 or 8 years .
This is how I see it, much respect to guys that train BJJ, Judo, Boxing etc... those arts work, for the most part, but if you look at guys like Richard Demetri, or Tony Blauer, they have developed self-defense based on natural human reactions such as the flinch then going into a shredder ,etc...look these guys up on TH-cam, Tony also developed a suit were you can fight all out and not get hurt but know you were hit . These guys will be the first to tell you that you are not going to be MMA fighters or roll with judo guys or BJJ guys , but they will teach you how to have a fighting chance on the street where their are no rules and their systems don’t start off in mutual agreement such as you do this them I will do that, I Denver training in judo, and I would for the most part get my butt kicked , but I always remember thinking ok at this point I will slam him in the nuts, or poke his eye , etc.. of course that was not part of the game , I mean how many times have you seen really good MMA fighters get pled in the eye and they have to stop for a few, not on the street, and trust I’m not taking away from their arts.
First let me start by saying I am not an “expert” in any martial art. I have studied/trained in MMA and Combatives, including Krav Maga for over twenty years. I worked as a bouncer at local bars and nightclubs throughout my early to late twenties and currently work as a personal trainer and professional coach. I have been in a number of physical altercations with and without weapons including knives, sticks, and even a gun on one occasion. I am not trying to say I’m some badass there are plenty of people out there stronger, faster, smarter, etc... than myself. I can however speak from personal experience and say that Krav Maga does work. The problem I have with the individual in this video is he has lost sight of the bigger picture, and that is it’s not about the martial art but the martial artist. I can tell there is also some obvious bias for BJJ in this video, ALL martial arts have there strengths and weaknesses. I agree that boxing, wrestling, muai thai, and bjj have all proven there effectiveness in and out of the cage and agree that regardless of your goals choosing one or more of these given systems as a base and building up from there is a smart move. BUT! If I’m on unforgiving terrain, facing multiple attackers, or multiple attackers with weapons, the last thing I want to do is roll on the ground with them! Under the right circumstances all martial arts can be effective.
But that's the thing Bjj is more than just rolling around on the ground, yes 95% of the time it literally is rolling around on the ground, but it's the things people don't see that make it effective. 1) You find out what it's like to have people of all shapes, sizes and weights go 100% against you, I can look at some stocky or large man and understand the strength he possesses and how hard it can be to manage that but also how I can manage that. 2) You learn what it takes to break someone, sometimes in altercations you can be misled into thinking how easy it will be to take someone out, sometimes easy sometimes a fight for your life, you learn within all individuals how much it takes to overwhelm a person and how much it takes to make that person give up or submit. 3) You build (If trained consistently) a very immense Stamina advantage over regular people who may be fit but don't have the same functional strength of someone who literally battles other people to get it. That's just a few I could go on for ages I wanna make my own video on it when I get my blue belt but I feel that Jiu jitsu on display can mislead people into the effectiveness of it in real confrontation and what's really going on on those mats.
Mark Elliot I never said BJJ was “just rolling around on the ground” even though right after making your statement you admit yourself that 95% of the time it is. Concerning the other points you tried to make...1. BJJ is not the only martial art were people of all shapes, sizes, and weights can go 100% against you. There are many striking and grappling systems that allow full-contact sparring...2. You can learn to “break” someone in different ways and from different systems, regardless if we’re talking about stand up or on the ground. Also in regards to being “misled” in an altercation...that’s called underestimating your opponent which should never be done in any situation regardless...3. As mentioned before BJJ is not the only act in town that can help develop the stamina you speak of. Now just to be clear i’m not picking on BJJ, I’m only bringing to light that all martial arts have there pros and cons and one should be open and honest with both themselves and others when discussing these topics especially if it could mean life or death. As I stated in my first comment I agree BJJ is a valuable part of anyone’s training but to say it is the answer to everything would be a grave mistake and could lead to someone getting seriously hurt or worse. 1 on 1 in a controlled environment (great), multiple attackers in a uncontrolled environment ESPECIALLY if there are weapons involved (not great) that’s when having a CCW ie: firearm is called for. To be fair I also have issues with Krav Maga as well...1. Many KM schools do not spar 100%, you have to test them out and find one that does for it to be truely effective. 2. Many KM schools have become commercialized and are more concerned with making profit than teaching REAL self-defense. 3. Many newer KM schools teach watered down techniques that are not practical in real life situations. If your interested search for a IKMA gym, they are the original organization that still teach the IDF troops today in Israel, and they also allow full-contact sparring and use practical techniques that anyone should be able to learn👍🏻.
You need to stop being denial tho, KM does not work. It's like Aikido, it teaches BS techniques.
@@ozsafi1276 I agree 100% with you!
Very similar background. Couldn't agree more with your comment. It's the cool thing to do nowadays to diss KM. And I get it; quality control is a major issue. I found training MMA isn't enough though for violent situations. Allthough in most KM schools you will get a 'worse version' of MMA in regards to technique like he mentions......true in most cases, my MMA training didn't teach me to think outside of the box, any scenario drills or strategic decision making (which is actually more relevant than good technique in self defense).
I've seen pro MMA guys (that would beat the shit out of me one on one) make a complete fool of themselves in a multiple attacker drill or weapon scenario, they'd do exactly what would get them killed the fastest way possible. Now could they learn that stuff pretty quickly, of course.....they're pro athletes, wouldn't take much time probably, but they don't teach any of that in MMA, that's the point.
If you go into a BJJ school that only teach the sports aspect rather than the self defense aspect. Walk out, not all BJJ schools are the same. Same goes for Krav Maga, if a Krav Maga school doesn’t have Scenario and Pressure Training. Walk out and find another school. I have trained in Boxing, BJJ, Judo, and now Krav Maga. I have seen BJJ purple and brown belts get mopped up in the streets and they get disappointed afterwards. Mainly because they were taught the sport aspect of BJJ. I have heard Krav Maga peeps get destroyed because their school didn’t have Scenario and Pressure training. So it really all depends on the school and on the person. Side note, 99% of fights does end up on the ground but 100% of fights begins standing. Food for thought.
Where are all these people getting tooled up? Sounds like Big Trouble in little China
Any practice is better than no practice. I am a Krav student because I am retired and travel to third world countries for adventure. I just want to be ready for my own life experiences. Hopefully mugging will be the worst if any. I certainly won't be rolling around on the ground with anyone mainly because I am too old, too short and not strong enough. Go with what works for your own situations. Professional fighting or tournament fighting or street fighting or just getting into shape and having fun. Best wishes,
Not true, anything is often not better than nothing. You practice the wrong stuff and you set yourself up to fail.
Just train both. MMA (Boxing, Wrestling, BJJ, etc.) AND Military Combatives.
Jason Wadkins I agree. I feel that mma and bjj, lack a lot of weapons understanding , including edged and impact. As well as awareness and situational scenarios. They do offer a great base for most hand to hand combat you would encounter, and without training in mma (including bjj or some form of grappling) it would put you at a huge disadvantage i
And muay thai don't forget muay thai
@Blu Look up Craig Douglas of ShivWorks my man. He has some great content in the area you're looking in to.
For those who want the quick answer: "Krav Maga is just really bad MMA". 1:17 WOW devastating... I don't know yet if I agree, as military it's supposed to use it, isn't it? But I do know and consider BJJ and Muay Thai and wrestling are a hell of a package, obviously.
In the military, they try to teach more mindset and fitness than body mechanics and technical skill.
Of course, when you get into military martial arts, you start to see a very practical approach to things.
Firstly, you would avoid a hand to hand situation, unless it was somehow advantageous to you in a specific situation.
Moreover, you should train up what you do most, a boxer trains to punch, a wrestler trains to wrestle, and shooters train to shoot.
Weapons training is extremely practical and can even cross over to other arts (it helped me with footwork, economy of motion, and spacial awareness), but it is a very different (and supremely practical) skillset.
The military doesn’t focus on martial arts.
He obviously has not met a properly trained practitioner. In a cage the KM practitioner would have the MMA fighters eye gouged out - "before" the referee says fight. Only an idiot would compare KM to martial arts. It isn't. It's a fighting system that would use any prop at hand to get the job done including elbows to the top of the spine during a takedown.
Biggest issue with krav maga, is that they sell you on this idea that you will become a commando when you learn it and practice it. Civilian krav maga is very watered down compared to what they teach in the IDF. The only legit krav maga teacher is Darren Levine of krav maga global, which is the official krav maga training franchise in the united states and the rest of the world. Darren who was one of the select few who was taught by Imi Litchfield (the original founder). Amir parets (ex isreali commando) as well as eyal yalinov (hope I'm spelling that right) are as legit as you will get, and we're also taught by Imi. But understand that in isreal, when they train the soldiers, they do it very intensely, like 6 hours a day, with gear, in the heat. It's very similar to the training that the us army goes through with modern army combatives which was taken from the Gracie family and modified like a MMA style system. I've heard Gracie combatives is actually quite effective. I could be wrong. But you have to know where you are getting the training from. Krav maga wasn't designed for long sparring, it was made to be easily learned, and gives you leverage in a very quick manner against an enemy. It's to get out of a bad situation, grab your weapon and fire. So yes, it works. And it's always evolving. It's most effective thing is it's disarming and judo techniques. The great thing about BJJ is it gives you real life practice with an aponent. I'm not sure if that's the case with krav maga. I could be wrong.
I'm no expert in krav maga but I do believe that krav maga in itself is a mix of martial arts that they learn in the Israel military in a way it's MMA but not the sport part of it but you could still learn kickboxing wrestling and Brazilian jiu-jitsu and that would be just as good if not better or the same thing
Pretty much. The issue is that people taut it as a great martial art for self-defense when really, it's just an equivalent to a combatives training course.
@@sbgipdx I agree
Yeah, that's the problem; it's MMA, but without the "sport part" aka the part that makes it work. Training MMA without the sport part (aka doing krav maga) would be like training to be a basketball player just by doing free throws, and never actually playing a game.
@@stephenschiffman5940 Because 'real' self defence is just a 'game' ... right?
I can't help suspecting that the whole Krav Maga discussion exists because they introduced rules into MMA. Otherwise there'd be no excuse not to prove its effectiveness instead of talking about it.
Well in the early ufc events they had no rules just the sportsman ship rules of no nut crash and no poking eyes but the rest as all fair game and I never saw krav maga in there ..
Not even in those more violent fights in the underground circuit of (Vale tudo / anything goes )fights in Brazil where it was art vs art the best at one Vs the best at the other and no rules bare hands fighting. .. never saw krav maga. ...
So for me krav maga was never tested ... so until then ...
You might be misrepresenting krav maga pretty badly. It's all about getting away from the average attacker and that's all that matters in it. It's all about scientifically figuring out how to respond in a large number of situations and escape as quickly as possible.
@@miesvaillanykyisyytta3252 Good point.
@@luisphilipesilva Krav Maga has been tested. I know it's a tiresome trope, but it is the fighting style taught to the Israeli Army, and it saw use in the 2nd Intafada and other Israeli military operations. One major problem with Krav Maga is that it has splintered in to a dozen or more substyles and independent schools follow the personal preferences of whatever instructor owns the school. Sadly it has also become a money making scheme. The quality ranges from very good instructors and schools to abysmal, and the very good probably only represents about 10% of schools now. I trained KM for 3 1/2 years 3 nights a week at a school that taught mostly good techniques, with about 2 instructors that I'd say were outstanding, 1 or 2 that were ok and the other handful were mediocre, but not abysmal. The school had an important connection with a man named Itay Gil, who visited for two weeks every year. You can look the guy up and see his history in the Israeli military and the YAMAM hostage rescue unit. That guy used the brand of Krav Maga taught at the YAMAM (TH-cam search those guys and be impressed) several times on operations when room clearing on raids against HAMAS and Hezbollah. He's still alive. There just weren't a few kids around to film it with their smart phones to upload it on to TH-cam, lol.
I think the common misconception around Krav Maga is that it's meant to turn the student in to a superior martial artist over other martial artists. Krav Maga was designed to train civilian army recruits in the basics of all aspects of fighting quickly for battlefield combat against other soldiers also minimally trained in hand to hand combat. It's philosophy and principles and basic techniques have been adapted for civilian use designed to defend against the most common kinds of attacks that are used in street violence. Common street scenarios include a female being bear hugged from behind while she's walking along, having her hair pulled from behind while walking along, being glassed by a drunk patron in a bar and being sucker punched, headlocked, etc. The techniques are designed to address these situations, which is why in training, rather than beginning on knees facing each other and doing a fist bump before gripping each other's gi, a KM scenario might begin with the student walking along and the training partner walking up behind them and bear hugging them and trying to drag them away, the kind of attacks that don't happen in MMA, which assumes two opponents ready for each other waiting for the ref to say fight.
So the point is a well trained MMA fighter with a few years under their belt will be all over a Krav Maga student with the same amount of training behind them, because KM doesn't train to defend the armbar or the twister, or to go five rounds. It trains to defend against the kinds of attacks that are used by untrained attackers in random, surprise and disadvantaged situations, such as while sitting in your car or on a bus, and the objective of every fight is to disengage as quickly as possibly and sprint 100m from the scene of the attack. When I graded, you failed your tests if you didn't end every drill by sprinting away. Escape was drummed in to students.
To say that in a self defence scenario you’re not usually exchanging blows is absolutely delusional. Watching a few dozen randomly selected CCTV footage videos of street violence blows that thesis out of the water. Yes there’s grabbing, but there’s also a LOT of poor technique punching.
But Jiu Jitsu is definitely the ideal art for LE. I’ve trained with a few police officers in both Jiu Jitsu and Krav Maga, which is great. The sad part is they have to do it in their own time because the training in DTs is abysmal at the academy like the guy said. At least they can claim their training fees as a work related tax deduction at the end of each financial year.
sorry. matt's not delusional. i'd listen.
@@eddiehazard3340 What’s your take on his comment that you’re not exchanging blows in a street fight? After analysing hours of CCTV footage of real street fights could you still hold that position credibly?
@@wattlebough As an MMA coach of many years, and a muay thai kickboxer, and a boxer, I think punches happen in a fight. For sure.
But keep in mind, I believe Matt was a semi-pro boxer before he even did Jeet Kune Do, before Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. He likes boxing, he likes punching, etc.
Matt's view here (I think, from listening to him for years) is that if you can run, you should. And his view is that if you are trading punches, you could probably run. With the tendency for a "Partner" to come up behind you and suckerpunch you, or swing by in a car - matt's right.
Likewise, if you are cornered, someone is punching you, and you can't get away - one of you is going to grab the other eventually - even 2nd graders do this in the lunchroom fight. Even boxers do it, when it's illegal in their sport - etc. it's natural.
So either way, someones going to grab you. They aren't going to just dance around all day - and if they do - you should run (this is what Matt is saying, I believe.)
So I understand your point. People punch, sure they do. But the fight won't be punching for long if you can't get away, it will be grappling and punching combined. And if it goes that way, wrestling and bjj are going to save the day.
Keep in mind - Matt is a pro level striking coach. He has Sityodtong Kru's in his system. He has pro boxers in his system. He's saying this for a reason. Most street fights go to someone grabbing, if they can't get away.
Much respect. Stay safe.
The bit of Krav Maga I trained in while I was in SF is far different than what is being taught in civilian schools. For starters, we were pressure tested. I've had training in Wrestling, Kenpo, Hapkido, TKD, and Shotokan. All have their strong points and weak points. The best thing is to have a proper mindset and to know how to apply what you learned to the street. Even a TKD practitioner can be effective in real world scenarios if he/she sticks to simple and practical techniques and not complicated spinning kicks. Anyone saying grappling arts like BBJ and wrestling are great for the streets has never been in a real street fight against multiple opponents. Is grappling good to know? You bet! even if you know enough to survive being taken down so you can get back up is a lot better than not having any grappling knowledge.
MMA is better for fighting. Some people erroneously believe that in a no rules situation, a krav maga practitioner will beat an MMA fighter in a 1v1 unarmed fight to the death, because the krav maga guy knows groin kicks and eye gouges. In reality the MMA fighter would almost certainly dominate such a fight, as they spar much more often and with greater intensity than most krav maga practitioners. As well, in a 1v1 fight, position is the single most effective predictor of victory, which means wrestling (which krav maga people prefer to avoid) is a highly important skill. Imagine yourself trying to gouge someone's eye from beneath them vs. from on top of them -- which position would you rather be in? As well, dangerous krav maga techniques are very hard to spar with, and any martial artist knows that drilling without sparring is like coding without debugging.
Krav maga is better for self-defense. Some people erroneously believe that being better equipped to fight 1v1 means being better equipped to defend yourself against an assault. This is not true -- A big component of self-defense are the non-combative skills: Seeing a threat before it happens, verbal de-escalation in a conflict, and running away as soon as possible. Krav maga hones these soft skills, as well as places an emphasis on constantly scanning for multiple attackers. Almost every single drill ends with running away (in MMA it's the opposite -- you chase down and secure your opponent when you have the advantage). As well, it prioritizes avoiding going to the ground and even avoiding grappling as much as possible, which is a good idea when multiple attackers are possible. Dirty fighting is heavily emphasized -- the groin kick is probably the most common combo-starter. It also has solutions to being attacked by weapons, which are of course not foolproof, but are way more practical than weapons defenses in most other martial arts.
1v1 unarmed fight to the death, MMA is better -- surviving and running away from gang assault, krav maga is better. But if you take both, you will be better in both types of situations than if you had only taken one or the other. An MMA fighter who fluently exploits groin kick opportunities would tend to beat an MMA fighter who doesn't, all things being equal. A krav maga practitioner who tests their skills against truly competitive opponents will be much better equipped to escape/counter common holds and strikes than one who doesn't. So learn both if you're passionate about martial arts. I would like to point out that I respect this man very highly for being 100% honest with his opinion
good take. mma is superior. though, i do find krav maga useful tbh in a street fight against a stranger
Just commenting because this comment didnt get the recognition it deserves. If there is a "right" answer, its this one.
Very honest, which is extremely rare in the martial arts world.
You must be joking.
I took Krav Maga on and off for about two years.
The only compliment I have is that the striking combos they taught were...fine. It helps that the head instructor was a taekwondo master and the assistant instructor was a certified kickboxing coach. But even then, the "advanced" students who had been in the class for YEARS were still at an orange belt level of profiency.
But that's the only slightly redeeming quality. Other than that, it was A) *awful* grappling and B) terrible gun/knife disarms. I would bet on someone with 6 months of boxing, karate, muay thai, or any other combat sport over someone with 6 years of krav maga.
I believe Krav Maga is a bit of an exercise in futility. I have years of experience in striking, grappling and MMA; and come from a very robust fitness background. Therefore, I feel very confident with my skills in combat sports scenario. The only times I've been in a ''street scenario'', these skills counted for absolutely nothing. That's where Krav Maga is supposed to come in. However, the skills Krav Maga claims to teach you ALSO would have been absolutely pitifully useless in the scenarios I'm describing. Scenario number one was me being kidnapped by 4 small, weak mean, with pistols and assault rifles. Scenario number two was me being held at gunpoint by a van full of men with assault rifles. MMA and Krav Maga are equally useless in those scenarios - being calm and obeying their commands are the only reason I'm alive. But if a random drunk dude on the street picks a fight with me - MMA would be infinitely more useful than Krav.
It would be helpful if you had an understanding of Krav-Maga before you commented then.
Why are you talking in extremes to prove a point? Krav Maga is indeed a bad MMA, it's because there are average Joes who don't want to fight and do tournaments but learn how to throw a basic punch or kick, and understand the mindset required to be safe in a street encounter.
Someone should tell Matt that there's a difference between bad schools with poorly trained instructors and the Krav Maga combat system itself. Besides, not only does the Israel military train in it but also the highly touted Navy Seals. If KM is supposedly just bad MMA then I highly doubt that the Seals would be as highly regarded as they are given that they train in it.
Very well organized and articulate responses, great job man
Krav Maga has until recently enjoyed the good reputation of the Israeli army. Since Krav Maga is taught to Israeli soldiers, many of us assumed that Krav Maga had to be a great martial art. I think that we're all susceptible to whatever sounds effective and life enhancing. Back in the seventies and eighties, we were sold on the idea that karate and kung fu and later ninjutsu would make us invincible warriors. Martial arts teachers counted on our susceptibility to gravitate towards the promise to become a real-life ninja. Whereas Asian countries benefitted from the promotion of martial arts movies, Israel benefits from its promotion of Krav Maga. Just as Israel is portrayed as a small country able to defend itself against bigger foes, Krav Maga is promoted as an effective martial art that will allow you to defend yourself against a bigger and stronger opponent.
Just a question...
When someone comes in to work with the ju jitsu guy, can strikes be thrown, or does ,the boxer have to just try and wrestle?
What do you mean? In the gym? In a competition? What is the context of your question?
@@sbgipdx Just a question: Can the KM guy use the keys from the referee's pocket to gouge out the eye of the MMA fighter. Because if not then it isn't a fair fight.
This guy is so full of himself. Arrogant and biased in his preferred art. Jiu-Jitsu is a sport. One I love very much. Krav Maga is strike in self defense and run. They are hardly comparable. This guy to me is like saying the guy flailing around in Indiana jones was a better martial artist than Indiana who pulled out a gun (krav) and shot him. There are no Krav "competitions". Yes Jiu-Jitsu is awesome. A great supplement to someone who wants experience with self-defense and grappling. Great for learning chokes. And then what?... Now I have to bla bla about why I say that : I have 20 years experience in 60 countries with Karate, Taikwando, Aikido, BJJ, Muay Thai, and Krav. Krav is the fundamentals for an assailant or multiple assailants in a life and death scenario. Krav trains to break and maime with no rules quickly and get away. MMA has rules.
I was a smoker fighter in Thailand for 3 years, MMA and Muay Thai, and I switched to Krav. Why?... because with every martial art, there is a moment your instinct says stop. You'll hurt him too much, or get a foul or be DQ'd. Krav doesn't have that. Almost every action in Krav would be DQ'd in any competition in the first 10 seconds, while in real life it would break bones, joints, organs, and kill. Additionally, Krav is very focused on defense against weapons.
I wanted to have survival instincts where if I am attacked I don't hold back. And the faster you disable your attacker, the higher your chance of survival. Krav is survival.
That said, there are multiple layers and motivations from students and teachers and business owners. Both Krav and BJJ have unfortunately been commercialized. The best of BJJ and Krav have been watered down into a form more digestible for joe shmo who wouldn't last a lesson in either if it wasn't presented in a form that he would come and pay week after week.
I say this as someone who doesn't compare to those I have been surrounded by. The serious practitioners of Krav vs. BJJ.... I'm going to choose Krav.
A true comparison could only be replicated in a bloodsport no rules scenario. I'd take Krav over BJJ.
Jiujitsu is for fighting. Matt came up through the Vale Tudo days of BJJ, where striking was the norm.
If experienced Krav practitioners cannot beat a BJJ blue belt, something is wrong with Krav.
Here’s the catch, when a Krav Maga student, even an advanced student, enters a BJJ academy, he’s there to learn BJJ, the BJJ ethos and rules. If you’ve ever trained a new art after having trained for a while in a different style you know that you don’t go in to a new school and bring your old style out in the mats. A guy that did Wing Chun doesn’t go in to a Boxing gym (I’m not a fan of Wing Chun by the way) to learn boxing and start doing Wing Chun while he’s sparring. He boxes. because he’s new to Boxing and he follows boxing techniques and rules that are new to him when he goes up against a training partner who’s been training solidly for a year he’s going to struggle. Reverse the roles and get an experienced Boxer in a Wing Chun school with the same two guys and suddenly the Boxer will have no clue. He won’t start Boxing while he’s sparring because he’s their to learn Wing Chun and has to follow Wing Chun rules.
I’ve been doing Jiu jitsu for a little over two years after having done Boxing and Muay Thai for a while and I had blue belts and 4 stripe white belts, heck even 2 stripe white belts, wipe the floor with me when I first started because I followed IBBJF rules, we usually start rolling on our knees after a hand slap and fist bump and I never threw a single punch, knee strike or elbow or stood up.
I also trained Krav Maga for just shy of 4 years at one of the better schools out there that followed a syllabus co-developed by Itay Gil. The only time I ever used Krav Maga techniques in Jiu Jitsu classes was for break falls, and when I was invited by my Jiu Jitsu professor to teach the class Krav Maga breakfalls because he’d seen me doing them. I got really good feedback from the guys over the quality of the breakfalls because they were receptive to new ideas, and the detail in my instruction which was encouraging.
If you put a boxer in a wing chun class his boxing will most certainly still work and it will probably be super effective. I get your point but that was a bad example.
@@nietzschesmustache4100 A boxer taking a Wing Chun class will not be free to use any of his boxing techniques. He’s forced to comply with the rules and mindset of the class he’s in.
@@wattlebough I meant in a real fight. If you wanna see that just google it. Ip mans direct lineage has been beaten by a boxer using only one arm and many other type instances.
@@nietzschesmustache4100 I understand that. I believe in the superiority of boxing (having trained in boxing) but that’s losing sight of my original point. The point is that different rules create different outcomes.
if you take a krav maga student and a bjj student and put them on the dirt and say use your system, the bjj student will take the krav maga's student's lunch.... 9 times out of 10. reason.... lack of sparring rolling in krav maga make it near useless.
I'm 46 years old been doing martial arts sense I was about 16. I started off learn Kenpo Karate then I studied a little bit in Judo and jiu jitsu. I've also picked up other styles here and there. Point is I'm pretty well trained and confident in my abilities. I've actually had to use what I know.
In my experience there is no good or bad forms of martial arts. It's more of a matter of how much time you put in to it and can you develop it to be effective on streets. That takes a basic understand of what happen in a fight and shifting through what you know and using what works and discarding what doesnt. All forms of Martial Arts have something in them that is effective in a fight.
That being said if I had to pick one form that is the best and the most effective it would be Brazilian Jiu-jitsu. You learn a little bit of everything but where it really shines is how to take some one down and then how to dominate them. It doesn't matter how small or big you are compared to your opponent. I've saw a 90 pound girl take down a 180 pound guy to ground and just completely dominated him. It was so bad he couldn't even put up a fight. She just well train compared to him.
But like anything what you put in to it is what you get out.
I'm sorry but "there is no good or bad forms of martial arts." simply isn't true. "All forms of Martial Arts have something in them that is effective in a fight" Going to have to say no to that as well.
Exactly…plenty of martial arts are top to bottom delusion. This idea that everything goes is just nonsense. Some stuff works and other stuff doesn’t. Can’t believe people don’t get this still.
Krav Maga isn´t that different from MMA. Think of it this way. Boxing, with kicks added is Kick Boxing. Kick boxing with BJJ (Gracie Jiu Jitsu) added is MMA. MMA with the aspect of the street (possibility of multiple opponents, weapons, and hard surface, no rule sets etc) added
is Krav Maga. It´s just another dimension.The more you add, the less you will be proficient in a single area, such as for instance grappling. It´s only natural that Krav Maga students will be dominated in grappling by BJJ students. Off course. On the other hand, Krav Maga students will be better than the BJJ student or the MMA student in situational awereness, weapon disarms etc. Krav Maga students coming to Matts gym to cross train grappling is a good thing. Just as MMA fighters may seek out good grappling clubs or boxing gyms to enhance their abbilities in these more specialized areas.
Were strikes included
Can you be more specific?
From someone who trained Krav Maga for 3 years and bjj for 2. This is 100% spot on
John Christensen it was an affiliate of Krav Maga worldwide one of the Best known in America. If you want to say there’s only real Krav in Israel 🤷♂️ idk never been there
Time for me to stop being ignorant I thought Krav Maga and mma was the answer enough bjj to be applicable and little bits of all the other arts in both and everything else that Krav Maga teaches like weapon fighting and disarms and all the disadvantageous situations like multiple opponents, size differences, dirty hits when necessary and pressure testing along with everything else that’s taught with mma there to reinforce the foundation of Krav Maga fighting since it’s basically mma with all that other stuff taught I hope that’s a good idea if both are taught by experienced practiciobers and not mcdojo practitioners but I wouldn’t be ignorant if bjj alone is just a better way to go
Surprisingly I have a similar amount of time up in both styles. I think if you put two people with similar athleticism and ability who’d both trained the same amount of time, one in only KM and the other Jiu Jitsu only, with no previous martial arts experience, if they both stuck only to the rules of their art I think the BJJ guy would get a run for his money. I found this guys story about KM guys being wiped by blue belts interesting because I was that guy as I’m sure you were. When I first started jiu jitsu it wasn’t a case of Krav Maga versus Jiu Jitsu, it was guy who doesn’t know jiu jitsu trying to follow jiu jitsu rules versus guy who knows jiu jitsu, I did everything following BJJ rolling rules, I never threw a punch. It was never BJJ versus “your art”, we were all there to learn Jitz.
@@wattlebough
More like two stripe white belt wipes the floor with me lol.
I still think even if I was allowed to throw punches kicks ect a blue belt would have destroyed me.
@@BobBob-il2ku You are not supposed to stay on the ground in KM. Go for the enemy's balls and stand up as quickly as possible. Being physically strong helps either. If a KM man goes wrestling against a BJJ person, he has no chance getting from the ground.
If the all police were purple belts, police brutality would be almost nonexistent.
As an active police officer for almost 20 years let me tell you that cop's learning bjj is a great idea but we also need to know krav maga because bjj isn't going to teach you how to disarm a suspect who is trying to stick a 12 inch knife in your chest.
angel666 Does not always work like that, if the taser does not fully hit the target it will not work as well as what they are even wearing
If the police were not being Dicks, there would be no police brutality.
These kinds of comments just prove that BJJ is a cult. It has been a cult for a long time in addition to being a sport. Cultists attribute magical powers to their hobby based on faith.
@angel666 Tasers fail all the time. Against a perp wearing a thick jacket in winter they’re as good as useless.
Krav maga is designed to evade the attack and if that's not possible to destroy the attacker. Imi was a boxer and wrestler who originated the system. We say it's not a pretty method but it is effective. It's classed as a system and not an art.
Exactly and only an idiot would compare it against a sport martial art.
Why do all these guys who say "train mma or bjj for self defence" never mention weapon attacks, multiple attackers, etc.
Dont they realise how dangerous weapons, multiple attackers, surprise attacks and environmental attacks are. MMA will not train you for any of this at all.
Neither will Krav Maga… They will give you false confidence and make you believe you can defend against a knife.
I’ll tell you a fact: If you can’t say you’re 100% sure you can defend yourself against a stronger opponent, what makes you think you can defend yourself against a knife? … Teaching a noob knife defense skills is pointless, because they’ll freeze no matter what. However someone who’s been trained in combat with hard sparring will have a much bigger chance at defending against a knife because both confidence and fighting skills will be better.
@@ricksterdrummer2170 At least you will have learned techniques against a knife. And I would like to add that Krav Maga will not give you false confidence, it is made very clear that fighting a knife wielder is dangerous and knife defence does not make you invincible, just far better at survival than someone who knows nothing about knife defence.
Here is a video of a professional MMA fighter defending against plastic knife attacks in the gym.
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Most self-defense situations can be ended with a blast double or overhand right. MMA does both of those extremely well, Krav sucks at both.
@@tjl4688 A blast double or overhand right will get you killed against a knife, baseball bat, steel pipe, etc.
I did bjj jjj kickboxing all sorts. Every time I got attacked I froze. Krav and defence lab I have not been in a situation since studying with them but I don't think I would freeze. The mindset is completely different. I think kravs philosophy is effective. I recognise that BJJ is superior but it's no good if I freeze
Fascinating, Krav may not have the perfect grapple RNC defense but seeing how BJJ has very little to no weapon defense, tell me which art seems less prepared for the street. BJJ has no defense for multiple attackers as we know and is only good if it is mano y mano. BJJ has no situational awareness and only seeks to take it to the floor to be effective. Again, which martial art seems ready for the streets.
That's not true at all. Take a look at historical training manuals, clinch and grappling is essential to weapon defense. If you really think Krav is better for "the streets" go challenge someone smaller than you who has an equivalent time training BJJ to your krav and see what happens.
@@sbgipdx I have and pulled out a magic marker to simulate a knife. It was quite revealing and colorful. Krav hardly fights fair. Again, which arts seems ready for the streets. Cheers!
@@theengineer704 anyone who practices in a combat sport or martial art long enough, effectively, and is good at it can be ready for the streets. MMA and Krav have their pros and cons. Just so happens to be that MMA is more effective into self defense and fighting. Krav maga teaches you disarms and dirty tactics but believe me, it’s sad that it has been milked into a mcdojo art because of terrible instructors making their students believe they can kick ass. Any MMA fighter that’s in a street fight has an advantage with both experience and using dirty tactics. Just because we train with “rules” doesn’t mean we wouldn’t use eye poking and groin strikes in a street fight. Dirty tactics are extremely easy and anyone can use them.
@@sbgipdx Then throw in a couple of passing drunks and in the takedown add elbow strikes to the top of the spinal column and lets not forget the teeth on those soft fleshy parts.
Matt is my hero since 2006. Since i discovered ALIVENESS. And i never went back! Great video!
Why aren't you sbg then?
@@hopked There is no SBG in Austria!
lol I like this. Very diplomatic. I Would love to interview you on our tactical podcast sometime. Lmk if you'd have an hour to sit down on a zoom call. Thanks for keeping it real brother!
Reach out to Matt directly. He does podcast all the time. He is especially busy with that right now since his book is coming out in a couple months.
Of course he'll say that. He has major skin in the game and is hardly going to endorse a rival (commercial) system.
I've trained Krav for years (along with BJJ & Boxing). Like everything, there are great schools and not so great schools. Krav is a mindset, one designed to help keep you safe and out of harm's way (and effective at resolving bad situations if you can not avoid them). That said, this test is total garbage. you can not put a krav maga practitioner on a mat with a blue belt and expect them to emerge victorious under your rule set. Once biting, eye gauging, and anything else I can think of in the moment to create space and break your willingness to continue to try and attack me are off the table, the BJJ practitioners refined skills on the mat are going to win every time.
All that said, I am a big fan of training both. Krav for the mindset and awareness, BJJ for the skill, discipline, and competitive aspects (and boxing because it's hands down the best mental and physical training program every invented).
Every system has its optimal application. Bjj guys always say they are the only ones who have the right stuff (they arent) Here he says its usually a grappling situation (its not) so… hammer guy thinks all scenarios are nails…
I agree if your studying krav you should be able to comport yourself on the ground, but some attacks are with bludgeoning or bladed weopons and firearms, and they always begin standing. The ground should be avoided at all costs in the wild.
But in the unfortunate event it does go down (more likely if you only study jiu jitsu, hammer/nail paradox) does your school roll with weopons? Do they roll om dirty comcrete in an alley? In the rain on wet grass? No? They should if they call it self defense, otherwise its sport. A good krav instructor will address this.
Additionally, neither the level one krav student curriculum nor L1 training certification seems to include a rigorous ground component, it doesnt come in until the later levels (I think this is a system design error) so yeah a ground specialist will torch a krav noob. It doesnt mean one has more or less value than the other, it just means they are at different stages in their process.
In a perfect world Id have krav students sparring mma rigorously and training the situation based techniques like car jacking, active shooter in public space, parking garage ambush etc under realistic stress (as safely as possible) ideally in the actual environment or as close to it as can be simulated. In a rash guard on mats in bare feet is not how a real violent encounter will unfold
I think a good KM school teaches aggression training beyond what most jitsu schools train, which IMO is a big plus in a street altercation.
Of course, on the ground the Jitsu schools would be better, as would be Judo. I think of Krav as Atemi on steroids. But it depends on your instructor more than any particular style, IMO.
Thank you, Matt. Sensible, informed response. Appreciate it.
You must like the taste of 'arse' too.
you think taking a fight to the floor is good self defens?
You think you are trained enough so you can control where the fight goes and takes place?
@@BFerreira82 i think you dont know hwo's gonna join and if down it's a lot harder to get a way when you are dealing with mroe than one person
@@BFerreira82 one on one it's good more than one you are fucked
also i've done judo so i'm problebe better than most bjj's at take downs and staying on my feet
You didn't get my reverse question.... !
I am not saying you should go to the ground by choice.
I am not saying one shouldn't use striking in a fight.
(I did Amateur boxing for 4 years. Still love 'till this day, some bag drills and fun Sparring)
But hey...If you wanna play the "What If"... so be it.
Like you stated (and very well) there can be more than one opponent and WHAT IF
one of them tackles you and you end up on the floor ?! D1 Wrestlers and high level Judokas also get thrown... what makes you think that just because you DID some judo... You somehow think you are able to keep the fight standing ?! Maybe relying on what... on your Kung Fu ?! Which style by the way ?! ... 🤷🏻♂️
You also wrote:
"DID JUDO".
That is different to " I DO JUDO " ... Way different !
Once on the floor, spazz all you want, you're Fkced either way.
I rather have tools and confidence in what to do to on the floor get out and escape. Lots of BJJ dojos do similar training... With gloves on and grappling 2 versus 1.
Standing up... I will keep my boxing training.✌🏼👌🏼
As a former veteran and active LEO patrol for the past 14 years, I can assure you I've been in some scuffles and lot's of resisting opponents not wanting to be taken down and handcuffed... And I did alright. Still here 🙌🏼🤙🏼
Things like krav are really best for two things. 1: take someone who already does judo, jujitsu, wrestling etc and give them extra self defense tools so they have the instinct to break noses and gouge eyes out with car keys etc and use their grappling and gripwork skills to stuff takedowns and _avoid_ too much grappling where it would be dangerous to get tied up in a real self defense situation (clinch with a guy and he stabs you, grapple with a guy while his buddy stabs you, etc ), to help round out their skillset for those types of self defense situations. 2: As just a means to train and foster basic qualities like ferocity and toughness along with some simple defensive/offensive basics for the non technical, for self defense for the civilian
... or for the military conscript where you need to give a broad range of individuals , some trained fighters but mostly not, just some basic level of toughness and simple techniques.
A tile bit of everything is good.... its nit one and done...no art has everything
A little bit of everything means expert of nothing. . It's like being a jack of all trades and master of none.
A person needs to really understand what their are doing , taking the time to absorb the techniques and understand them ... just because one is doing a bit of boxing, wrestling and some techniques of jiu-jitsu doesn't make anyone a fighter or prepared for whatever. ..ok he may have some basic knowledge but that's about it ..and poking eyes, punch the throat and kicking balls doesn't need much training anyone can do it, trained or not ...
Didn't Bruce Lee said : i fear not the guy that has a million kicks, but I fear the guy that train one kick a million times ... ???
One thing I give you ( it's better to know something, instead of knowing nothing at all ) but one also must be realistic about what he knows, cause ( the since of false security and false confidence) it's a virus among self-defense systems and traditional martial arts. .. in order to know how to fight /defend your self or even be able to apply those techniques under pressure in a fight, one needs to fight , he needs to do free sparring with different level of control but that's the only way. .. and jiu-jitsu and muay thai, boxing, kickboxing or catch wrestling they fight (sparring ) from day one , and that's what makes them so powerful because they are used to apply techniques and making adjustments in microseconds under pressure, other arts can not ....sparring is the glue that combines the technique with self control , reading time and body language and mechanics together in order to get maximum efficiency with those same techniques. .
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Gradings are rigourous. Takes 5 or 6 hours on a grading day to get a grade and a minimum of 6 months of training to pass one grade.
BJJ, Boxing, MMA does not train you to fight against weapons, more than one person, removing yourself from a dangerous situation. If you want to roll around on a mat in AC, with a ref, and tap anytime it gets too hard for you, go do BJJ.
As if the meme krav maga drills would help you against multiple people
We have some (but not much) weapon training at my MMA school. BUT I'm guessing an MMA school would 'school' you're art at anything. It's just the way it is now.
@@godeater6382 MMA has drills also. So does bjj and boxing! So what's your point? Are you saying that krav maga doesn't work because it teaches drills. All fighting arts teach drills!
Krav Maga is not MMA, in Krav Maga you do weapons self defense, dealing with multiple attackers, gauging eyes, hitting the neck and private parts.
BJJ and MMA will not work is not designed for multiple attackers.
KM is not bad MMA but street MMA.
I think a big aspect of Krav Maga is overlooked here and thats defence against armed Opponents.
Krav Maga training involves defence against guns, knives and sticks.
Pretty much confirmation bias here....so many factors.....personally, at 6'4" 270 lbs, and a legit KM black belt, I am 90% confident I could destroy a BJJ black belt in 3 seconds or less....now...I may take one of his eyes, or badly damage his trac, neck collar bones or all of the above, but I'm not governed by any 'rules'....my role is to destroy an aggressor in seconds. Size and commitment to the 'stop' are factors.
I think that is the real issue here. I’m not trained in either but from what I understand, Krav Maga is an absolute no rules system meant to survive a street encounter. It is not for competition.
Lol can't use a gun in bjj, and I'm pretty sure a bjj guy on the ground is still susceptible to being stabbed by guy #2
Krav Maga is not a sport. It is self defense.
He said basically krav maga it's bullshit. .. it's good for ambush counters but in a face to face fight the surprise it's gone and krav maga goes out the window. ..
If a blue belt jiu-jitsu can wipe the floor with a black belt in krav maga that tell us everything there is to know about it ...
Remember that poking eyes and kicking balls anyone can do it, with training or not like I said these are ambush counters that won't help when both know they are gonna fight.
Everything must be tested under pressure sparring if not then you don't know for sure if it works against all body types. ..
Example there are guys that fight with broken arms, there are guys that can take a pouch in the nuts and still keeps on fighting the same goes for everything. .. you need to sparr to understand the damage of your techniques and how the body reacts to them , also you need to know if you can take a hit too ..
Krav maga is not a martial art, it's bullshit.
@@WimDeputterBJJ wrong
@@luisphilipesilva Here’s the catch, when a Krav Maga student, even an advanced student, enters a BJJ academy, he’s there to learn BJJ, the BJJ ethos and rules. If you’ve ever trained a new art after having trained for a while in a different style you know that you don’t go in to a new school and bring your old style out in the mats. A guy that did Wing Chun doesn’t go in to a Boxing gym (I hate Wing Chun by the way) to learn boxing and start doing Wing Chun while he’s sparring. He boxes. because he’s new to Boxing and he follows boxing techniques and rules that are new to him when he goes up against a training partner who’s been training solidly for a year he’s going to struggle. Reverse the roles and get an experienced Boxer in a Wing Chun school with the same two guys and suddenly the Boxer will have no clue. He won’t start Boxing while he’s sparring because he’s their to learn Wing Chun and has to follow Wing Chun rules.
I’ve been doing Jiu jitsu for a little over two years after having done Boxing and Muay Thai for a while and I had blue belts and 4 stripe white belts, heck even 2 stripe white belts, wipe the floor with me when I first started because I followed IBBJF rules, we usually start rolling on our knees after a hand slap and fist bump and I never threw a single punch, knee strike or elbow or stood up.
I also trained Krav Maga for just shy of 4 years at one of the better schools out there that followed a syllabus co-developed by Itay Gil. The only time I ever used Krav Maga techniques in Jiu Jitsu classes was for break falls, and when I was invited by my Jiu Jitsu professor to teach the class Krav Maga breakfalls because he’d seen me doing them. I got really good feedback from the guys over the quality of the breakfalls because they were receptive to new ideas, and the detail in my instruction which was encouraging.
And it doesn't work.
I think that the Krav Maga you see at most (not all schools) in the us is diluted at best. In the Israeli military there is a LOT of sparring in most combat units. Also use of the rifle as an impact weapon is highly emphasized. You are also mostly working in a team environment, not usually a one on one scenario or one vs multiple opponents, although it is possible. The level of training varies from unit to unit. So for example a regular infantry unit , will generally not have the same level of training as a special forces to unit etc. A non-combat unit also much less krav training than infantry. And even then there are instructors which recieve a much higher level of training, that go to an academy for Krav Maga, which nowadays includes many other aspects of fighting and is sometimes used as a blanket term for martial arts in Israel. A LOT of the instructors come from a martial art background of some sort , including judo, bjj, mma, karate and others. Krav Maga is also integrated with counter terror , and various transitions to weapons. I think the krav you see there gives actual Krav Maga a bad name. But yes the average soldier will have a very basic understanding of krav and martial arts in general. In Israel conscription to the military is mandatory for most, and with that they must give a basic hand to hand combat to the average soldier in a short period of time. With the average soldier coming from a background with zero martial arts in general. However there if looking for a complete system I would personally suggest bjj or mma over the average krav school for sure . And bjj with mma style training will generally produce better results for most empty handed situations.And also bjj is a very complete system for grappling and is very effective. Btw I really like this channel and the content.
The fact that people are still having this stupid discussion is unbelievable. BJJ is great unless the attacker has a weapon. If the attacker has a weapon then you need to know proper weapon disarm techniques. MMA and BJJ is very effective if the attacker is unarmed but it is absolutely ineffective is the attacker is armed.
This couldn't be further from the truth. In fact some of the best knife defense comes from Greco roman wrestling. So a lot of bjj is directly applicable to weapons defense. Turns out the bet method to control someone's hands doesn't change when that hand has a weapon.
@@sbgipdx Stop reaching! Bjj is bjj. Greco Roman is Greco Roman. They are not the same. Your not talking to a novice. I have 20 years of law enforcement experience and 30 years of martial arts experience which includes Greco Roman. I have seen bjj's version of knife defense. Not very practical at all.
@@kenyattadanclar3498 No response. Ego may have crept in to the conversation and it doesn't seem to be coming from your end.
@@wattlebough Thank you. I appreciate it.
@@wattlebough That's a pretty dumb assumption. Sometimes you don't answer because it seems pointless.
I think you can ask yourself if a S.W.A.T.-team police man is a better police man then a avarage patrol man/cop. What means better? Does time count?
The purpose of Krav Maga was to get quick results to self defence ability and to a variation of common attacks. So you compare a system krav maga which want to provide quick results to big number of possible events (and its not fix system and I see in the US it is watered down to fitness aspects) to a specialised sport.
Every police man a puple belt I read here. Really? In which fantasy world do you live?
Back to the video: What would happen if the Krav Maga guy would hurt the bjj guy badly? Ask your self and think about what you do if you push a guy and act cocky on him.
Andrew Yang is the one who suggested cops be BJJ purple belts, not Matt.
Krav doesn't provide quick results, and as Matt pointed out, experienced Krav practitioners were getting torn apart by novices in MMA/BJJ.
Really bad MMA is a great way of putting it and people always say but MMA doesn't teach the dirty stuff but the dirty stuff is so easily added because you already understand how to manipulate 99% of the person that gauging someone's eyes out is something you just do in the moment Im constantly joking around with dirty tricks when training MMA the shit I would use in an actual fight is so much more gross than the stuff we apply in the gym
What this guy doesn't tell you is bjj is only good for 1 on 1 fight I would love to see this guy try bbj against 2 or 3 people on the street 😂 your head is getting cracked like an egg. Krav maga was designed for street fighting where you don't go to the ground and is self defence and sometimes the best self defence is don't be there in other words stun your attacker and runaway and if you can't runaway fight like a rottweiler and do anything to win like go for the eyes and the other soft parts and use anything and do anything you can to win
Facts!
Its absolutely legit!!! But more importantly its forward/advancing art form which teahes awareness and fighting techniques whether its defensive or offensive.
I've seen KM guys tear experienced BJJ fighter apart in what is a real life situation.
IDF, Seals, Marines, these are serious people.
LooL 😂
I train UFC! 🤣🤣
This is too funny…I hear things like this all of the time and I can’t help but laugh. Of course your blue belts wiped the floor with them…they where grappling. If they hadn’t something would be wrong…I wonder how it would have turned out if your guys would have done if they would have got kick in the nuts, eye poked, broke nose, etc…it would have been entirely different & I bet you and your students would have been upset and would have said what the f***?? Anytime you go play someone else’s game, you are most likely going to loose…imagine a football player that can’t play basketball walking into the basketball court and playing…after they get beat the basketball coach says, my guys wiped the floor with them…🙄😂
Lol you are aware that BJJ was first tested and established in no holds barred fights, correct?
😂if you are talking about the first UFC’s then you are too funny!😂 Though they did have less rules at the beginning. That’s hardly what this guy is talking about. I guess you have never seen anyone get kicked in the nuts in the UFC. You might want to check that out.😂
@@jaybryant4429 Even before the UFC there were fights with no rules, except for no biting or eye gouging.
But something tells me that whatever you train has special super secret moves that are based on eye gouging and biting lmao
Our blue belts were wiping the floor with them in sparring not just grappling. Sorry if we were unclear.
Thoughts:
-It is not really very nice to say that 'krav maga...markets itself'. Krav maga is a construct created by people and the only one who can do the marketing is a person or people. Where are the examples of krav maga being marketed in a certain manner? I have mostly seen the opposite myself; I see young and middle-aged men making a fuss about MMA and BJJ and even videos titled "You must do BJJ".
-It is my understanding that krav maga is partially a training philosophy, which can be compared to first aid or emergency medicine: there are certain facts and practices in medicine and first aid that may never be refuted as they are so strongly established but the specifics keep changing according to real world experience. Doctors around the world have slightly different ideas about the specifics and over time some treatment techniques are modified or refined. Paramedics today may not function in the exact same way all over the world but they are mindful of similar core principles even though they are called different names in different languages. In a similar vein krav maga has different names and since it is not a sanctioned sport it does not have universal rules and regulations like boxing. This is a good thing and a bad thing as it could lead to poor instructors riding the name but it also allows for new ideas to get more exposure.
-If someone did research on how young men conceptualize violence and self-defense, I suspect it would be very different from the way women or men of advanced age understand it.
Most of our ancestors did just fine without any martial arts in a far more violent world and they used weapons to fight when they had to or could. In some cultures in Europe and North America (mediated by socioeconomic class) men measure their manhood by their indicators of physical dominance; muscularity, height, experience in extreme sports, military and martial arts etc. whereas in other cultures men compete over who is the best dancer and can woo women the best with his moves. When a young man says that "I must train martial art X and then Z" he is not describing genuine biological needs (sitting on a man's chest on a mat is not going to reproduce your genes) but rather the cultural 'prescription' his modern shaman doctor gave for him in his masculine subculture; "if I only do these things, then my bucket list of alpha things is complete". From the perspective of survival obsessing about 'fighting' is self-attacking as much as it is self-defense because you're spending your limited time on intricacies that were probably subtly force fed to you as necessary. Even though you could fulfill your biological destiny by becoming a good dancer and in doing so go straight to the women and the good time, how many male adolescents in the US and Western Europe are concerned about being good dancers? There are not that many because people in those circles mostly keep to themselves and they do not make prescriptions. There are lots of tiny guys, neurologically atypical guys and others that were bullied as kids owing to the fact that public school mixes kids of all backgrounds together and often our fathers did not help matters because in his time we had even less understanding. The bullies create subtle trauma which has you believing that physical dominance is super important if not the most important thing in life and on some level you believe it because you're a child and your reasoning skills are very limited; your PE instructor is not going to teach you how to dance but rather generic 'man sports'. So later on in life these guys keep living their lives according to the prescription of their dominant culture where bullying and old school masculinity are intertwined; "sure the bullies were mean and it's over but you still need to have the same hobby as Joe Rogan".
Instead of looking at where our true talents and interests lie, lots of us spend years or in some cases decades of our lives trying to live up to someone else's idea of masculinity and we are not even very good in it but after we have used all that time on it for all the wrong reasons, our ego is so attached to that warrior myth, that hero narrative or what have you, that it's too painful to let go and cut yourself some slack; you were sucked in into that culture based on false promises and the manliest, toughest thing you are ever going to do is admit that it was not all that. So when guys cannot accept their hobby for what it is, which is just another athletic hobby like tennis or ping pong they start handing out prescriptions to far younger men to maintain their dominance on a psychological level; you don't see Michael Phelps telling people how they need to save a drowning person or themselves from drowning but guys with the MMA hobby are sometimes denigrating and ridiculing self-defense instruction (which the Israelis call krav maga), which is doing the public a disservice because it confuses young boys as well as grown women. The opinionated MMA guys are giving cultural prescriptions to cope with toxic masculinity but they are not curing the disease. A woman, any woman has zero use for that prescription any more than a guy needs an operation for ovarian cancer. The young guys should thank them for the prescription but get another opinion from a different MD who represents a slightly different subfield of masculinity.
you have escaped the matrix
Yes, very very realy!!!!
Matt stirring up shit. Matt is also 100% correct.
I think the efficiency IS a question of person.
You Can practise karaté with morio higaonna but you 'll never turn into morio higaonna !
It's the same with bjj's gracie .
Does every black belt bjj have never lose in a street fight ? Is it a Magic style ?
No, obvious.
It's just the best system of the World,it's true,but it's not a kind of Magic!
"it's just the best system of the world" What are you referring to?
@@hopked yes,it's the best system ,it's obvious,but the system IS the best but what about the who practise ?
I told ,in reality all is possible !
But for self défense,i'm agree with you ,it's the best school! Prétend not,it's a stupidity !
When i'm beginning Bjj (2004) WE need 4 years to get a blue belt ( delariva school).now it's 2 .and it's the same everywhere !
It's was the same for judo and karaté during the 70,80,t'en years to get a Black belt.
Years After years the level got down ,cause instructors give belt easyly....5 years for a Black belt.
The same shit turn around the bjj.
He has a name, and his name IS money.
Morio higaonna was the most dangerous karatéka of the World .
Now he is very old.
His system was réaliste.
But the best is still Bjj..... encore for how many Time ?
@@hopked Bjj.
@@didiervidry7687 BJJ is being watered down because the sport aspect is being more focused on Krav Maga is a similar story but Krav Maga is being watered down into a fitness routine for soccor moms.
Krav Maga Is used for self defense against weapons. It's not a competetive martial art, it's about survival.
Same with SOF, elite units like SAS or JTF2 or Delta are trained for defense and survival against weapons. Not for sport. This whole video was stupid lol
@@dapperchap1535 Yes exactly.... just trying to big up their school by criticising other disciplines... pathetic of them.
Very oversimplified answer from Matt. The krav guys had been doing krav for years before training with Matt, therefore they passed their grading due to years of training beforehand, Matt supplemented a little bit.
And what he says about self defense is just plainly wrong. There are many situations where you exchange blows (protecting a third party for example), many situations are not in a close quarter scenario and self defense isn't "going out there and fighting with a crowd watching whilst doing a Lil bit of wrestling and boxing".
The military does learn bjj that's true, but they'll also utilize "Krav techniques" like eye gouging etc., but a good krav school will teach grappling besides krav. Lastly, cops don't use krav and prefer bjj 100%. They have to use the proper amount of force, krav would be too dangerous for the suspects
Krav is just an amalgamation of martial arts selected for a military group.
Exactly. BJJ for cops is to pin down a suspect. And cops are rarely alone. Krav is injure or kill your assailant(s) as quickly as possible and run away.
Krav Maga in its proper form, taught properly is probably one of the best if not the best form as it was developed as that, no bs not a sport pure, raw offence and defence.
LooL 😂
BJJ is great in the street providing you have a nice soft mat and you’re Ok with getting your ear bitten off, eye pulled out whilst your opponent’s friend is kicking you in the head. 🤣
BJJ is essential in the street so that if someone ends up on top of you, you know how to get up so that you don't get kicked in the head. If you don't know how to grapple and you get knocked over, you're done.
@@sbgipdx His comment still applies, from the bottom you can still gouge out someones eyes without having taken 1 BJJ lesson. You can also bite off a finger to two. That's before a drunk has taken a swipe at your head - top or bottom.
@@philcliffe6909 If you gouge my eyes from the bottom, I am dropping elbows on you. Eye gouging and biting sucks.
@@tjl4688 With two thumbs rammed down the back of your eye sockets your brain will be in too much of a panic to think of any techniques. The principle is to go for the eyes before you hit the ground, between vocal and physical escalation. As a final note it would be very unlikely that two individuals with a high level of either skills be it BJJ or Applied fighting would come to blows.
So so
5'6 and a muscular 180? Plus pretty good at BJJ? Yeah I'd say he could sit on some people. That's like getting jumped on by a particularly wily thumb.
Rubbish. In my school of krav maga to get to the to expert one it will take about 6 years of extremely dedicated training, not a few weeks or months. In reality it will take longer. Probably 7 or 8 years .
Krav Maga is effective……..at marketing
Hah!
Before this guy guy teaches martial arts, he should concentrate on his diet
This is how I see it, much respect to guys that train BJJ, Judo, Boxing etc... those arts work, for the most part, but if you look at guys like Richard Demetri, or Tony Blauer, they have developed self-defense based on natural human reactions such as the flinch then going into a shredder ,etc...look these guys up on TH-cam, Tony also developed a suit were you can fight all out and not get hurt but know you were hit . These guys will be the first to tell you that you are not going to be MMA fighters or roll with judo guys or BJJ guys , but they will teach you how to have a fighting chance on the street where their are no rules and their systems don’t start off in mutual agreement such as you do this them I will do that, I Denver training in judo, and I would for the most part get my butt kicked , but I always remember thinking ok at this point I will slam him in the nuts, or poke his eye , etc.. of course that was not part of the game , I mean how many times have you seen really good MMA fighters get pled in the eye and they have to stop for a few, not on the street, and trust I’m not taking away from their arts.
Krav Maga = MMA lite
fr. its basically common sense (groin kicks, eye gouges) but the grappling techniques are solid
He would slag Krav off to promote bbj shit
Typical MMA/BJJ elitist. Everything else sucks and we are king.
Some things are just better than others.
Total BS