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@Silence Roblox Gamer I served for 8 years in the Royal Marines, there is no rank of Private & and the video is about The Royal Marines not the US Marine Corps.
I had the pleasure of briefly serving along side the Royal Marines in Afghanistan in 2008 and they were the best soldiers I’ve ever served with…. Top notch👍 🇬🇧🇨🇦
Royal Marine ranks are virtually identical to those in the Army. In both cases though, Regimental Sergeant Major is not a rank, it's an appointment held by a senior Warrant Officer 1st Class.
I'm an American veteran and it sounds like it certainly takes a longer time to make rank in the British Armed Forces. But it would also seem that those who are promoted are qualified and suitable for it. U.S. Armed Forces sometimes promotes it's members to NCO (E-4, Corporal or Petty Officer 3rd cl) too young. Starting to slow it down a bit. Both the U.S. and U.K. have Warrant Officers. U.S. Warrants have up to 5 grades (Army) and 3 grades (Coast Guard, Marines and Navy) and are treated/same courtesies and respect as a Commissioned Officer. The two Warrants in the U.K. are very high level NCOs. I'd be curious to know if Warrant Officers exist in other NATO countries Armed Forces and what their status is (like U.S. or U.K.). The only real difference between the U.K. and U.S. enlisted rank structure is the matter of insignia. The U.S. has a pay grade/rank system of E-1 through E-9 (equal to NATO's OR-1 thru OR-9). Every grade from E-2 & higher has a rank insignia. U.K.s Army, Navy & Marines don't have rank insignia until junior NCO, Lance Corporal/Leading Hand. Your videos are well done and to the point. It would be interesting if you were to do some comparing U.S. to U.K. (Canada closely follows the U.K.) inasmuch as we are the closest of allies.
Just a little bit of History Back to the USA. I will explain what I mean after giving you the information. Warrant officers originated in England in Medieval times, and was first used in the 14th century (1300's) in the Royal Navy. In the British forces a warrant officer is called sir by those below in rank, and Mister by those above. Also it only tends to be the UK, the USA, and commonwealth countries that have the rank. The first Royal marines to recieve warrant status were between 1879, and 1881. My information comes from this page on the internet : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warrant_officer I do hope this helped. Now my personal History, and why I said "Back to the USA." My parents ran a guest house, and Hotels in Bridlington in my youth, when I was 12 they bought a large hotel of 50 rooms. I had the absolute pleasure of meeting American Historians, archeologists, and marine archeologists. These guys were looking for the remains of a ship that was sunk in the war of independence in 1776, it was the ship on which John Paul Jones the founder of the US Navy was the captain. The ship built in the 13 colonies was sunk in a battle off a headland called Flamborough head, that is why they stayed at this hotel. They would be there for roughly2 to 3 months between the end of August, and the middle of November (the onset of winter storms in the North sea). They took a liking to me and when I was at home they would ask my father if it was OK for me to run the bar, and they then regaled me with history storys. Unlike school they made what I thought of initially as mundane history come alive. The bonus part is the leader of the team became a solid friend, and he mentored me through a masters degree many years later in Ancient History. So that is why I said "Back too the USA."
In my day 64' the ranks were unique to the RM . For example above Colour Sergeant was Quarter Master Sergeant . Then they aligned the ranks with the Army.
My dad was a royal marine holding the rank of Colour SGT. before he went into the SAS.While in the SAS he got up to the second lieutenant then retired 3 years later
The insignia you displayed for Regimental Sergeant Major is incorrect. Regimental Sergeant Majors are Warrant Officer Class Ones (WO1s) with an appointment but still wear the regular coat of arms. The insignia you displayed as Regimental Sergeant Major is actually for Corps Regimental Sergeant Major (Corps RSM) who is the most senior soldier in the Royal Marines. Only one WO1 can hold this appointment at any time.
Captain-General is an appointment, not a rank, the insignia you show is for a field marshal. I had this argument with RMHQ a few years ago, when Prince Philip was the Captain General. They insisted that there was no such rank as Field Marshal in the RM, but I asked them to check photographs of Prince Philip in RM uniform. Sure enough he had Field Marshal insignia (he was after all an Admiral of the Fleet, Field Marshal, Marshall of the RAF, etc.) so naturally his RM uniform showed the 5-star rank. By the way do you know why the Royal Navy changed the number of pips on the various admiral's uniforms? Admiral Lord West got fed up of being treated as a 3-star officer because he only had three pips, so he ordered an extra pip for all admirals to match the star rank.
OK, I intend absolutely no disrespect here this is an honest question that I've wondered about for years. Here in the States Lieutenant is pronounced "Lootenant".......why is it pronounced "Leftenant" in the UK? I greatly appreciate you taking the time to reply if you get the chance. Loved the video, and you've gained a sub.
The true origin of the ‘f’ in lieutenant is unclear and is up for constant debate. Some say it’s because junior soldiers would walk on the left side of officers when swords were used on the battle field, to protect the senior officers. Others say it’s simply a mispronunciation by the English from when they first heard the word from french soldiers. And some say the English took it from the German pronunciation of the word verbatim and it just kind of stuck. To conclude; no one really knows.
I would say, as in most armies that have no NCO leadership (see Russia) the responsibilities performed are done almost exclusively by junior officers. These positions in western armies are accomplished by junior NCO's. Therefore on the outside looking in these days, I would say it's a tie between corporal and sergeant.
Having gone through the ranks and achieved the rank of Captain RM on discharge, I would suggest that all ranks are key. The Royal Marines are a cohesive unit and not a group of individuals 🙏🏻
because like the us and other westerns country the lieutenant comes from a old word france of lieu while the english word is leftenant this during hundred years ago
The word was originally two Latin terms, "locum" meaning in place of, and "teneris" meaning holding, together the phrase applied to anyone "holding in place of" someone else. Over time the word "locum" evolved into the French word "lieu", which is pronounced in French as it is spelled. It is possible that when the English heard the French pronounce the compound word lieutenant, they perceived a slurring which they heard as a "v" or "f" sound between the first and second syllables. Most English speaking nations, with the exception of the United States, still pronounce the word as though there is an "f" in it.
@@_uchiha The word was originally two Latin terms, "locum" meaning in place of, and "teneris" meaning holding, together the phrase applied to anyone "holding in place of" someone else. Over time the word "locum" evolved into the French word "lieu", which is pronounced in French as it is spelled. It is possible that when the English heard the French pronounce the compound word lieutenant, they perceived a slurring which they heard as a "v" or "f" sound between the first and second syllables. Most English speaking nations, with the exception of the United States, still pronounce the word as though there is an "f" in it.
Which rank do you think is the backbone of the Royal Marines?
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@Silence Roblox Gamer Surely you mean Marine, there is no rank of Private.
@Silence Roblox Gamer I served for 8 years in the Royal Marines, there is no rank of Private & and the video is about The Royal Marines not the US Marine Corps.
@Silence Roblox Gamer You’re probably talking about the USMC not Royal Marines.
AS usual the backbone of any army or (Royal )Navy is the Sergeant. They are the professionals. Breast forward, chin up. Courage.
goldy I know you😉
I had the pleasure of briefly serving along side the Royal Marines in Afghanistan in 2008 and they were the best soldiers I’ve ever served with…. Top notch👍 🇬🇧🇨🇦
Royal Marine ranks are virtually identical to those in the Army. In both cases though, Regimental Sergeant Major is not a rank, it's an appointment held by a senior Warrant Officer 1st Class.
Well noted
I'm an American veteran and it sounds like it certainly takes a longer time to make rank in the British Armed Forces. But it would also seem that those who are promoted are qualified and suitable for it. U.S. Armed Forces sometimes promotes it's members to NCO (E-4, Corporal or Petty Officer 3rd cl) too young. Starting to slow it down a bit. Both the U.S. and U.K. have Warrant Officers. U.S. Warrants have up to 5 grades (Army) and 3 grades (Coast Guard, Marines and Navy) and are treated/same courtesies and respect as a Commissioned Officer. The two Warrants in the U.K. are very high level NCOs. I'd be curious to know if Warrant Officers exist in other NATO countries Armed Forces and what their status is (like U.S. or U.K.). The only real difference between the U.K. and U.S. enlisted rank structure is the matter of insignia. The U.S. has a pay grade/rank system of E-1 through E-9 (equal to NATO's OR-1 thru OR-9). Every grade from E-2 & higher has a rank insignia. U.K.s Army, Navy & Marines don't have rank insignia until junior NCO, Lance Corporal/Leading Hand.
Your videos are well done and to the point. It would be interesting if you were to do some comparing U.S. to U.K. (Canada closely follows the U.K.) inasmuch as we are the closest of allies.
Thanks Barone, glad you like them and appreciate the support
There are five US Marine Warrant/Chief Warrant Officer ranks.
W02/W01 in the UK Military are E8/E9 equivalents. We have no equivalents to US Military Warrant Officers.
Just a little bit of History Back to the USA. I will explain what I mean after giving you the information. Warrant officers originated in England in Medieval times, and was first used in the 14th century (1300's) in the Royal Navy. In the British forces a warrant officer is called sir by those below in rank, and Mister by those above. Also it only tends to be the UK, the USA, and commonwealth countries that have the rank. The first Royal marines to recieve warrant status were between 1879, and 1881.
My information comes from this page on the internet : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warrant_officer
I do hope this helped.
Now my personal History, and why I said "Back to the USA." My parents ran a guest house, and Hotels in Bridlington in my youth, when I was 12 they bought a large hotel of 50 rooms. I had the absolute pleasure of meeting American Historians, archeologists, and marine archeologists. These guys were looking for the remains of a ship that was sunk in the war of independence in 1776, it was the ship on which John Paul Jones the founder of the US Navy was the captain. The ship built in the 13 colonies was sunk in a battle off a headland called Flamborough head, that is why they stayed at this hotel. They would be there for roughly2 to 3 months between the end of August, and the middle of November (the onset of winter storms in the North sea). They took a liking to me and when I was at home they would ask my father if it was OK for me to run the bar, and they then regaled me with history storys. Unlike school they made what I thought of initially as mundane history come alive. The bonus part is the leader of the team became a solid friend, and he mentored me through a masters degree many years later in Ancient History. So that is why I said "Back too the USA."
I’ve noticed this in many books I’ve read about the US forces. 21 year old Sgts, 23 yr old Staff Sgts etc.
In my day 64' the ranks were unique to the RM . For example above Colour Sergeant was Quarter Master Sergeant . Then they aligned the ranks with the Army.
QSM cold sweat nightmares on that ...
Once again premiere loved this week's upload keep up the great work. And here's to 20K.
Thanks Leo, appreciated as always!
My dad was a royal marine holding the rank of Colour SGT. before he went into the SAS.While in the SAS he got up to the second lieutenant then retired 3 years later
The insignia you displayed for Regimental Sergeant Major is incorrect. Regimental Sergeant Majors are Warrant Officer Class Ones (WO1s) with an appointment but still wear the regular coat of arms. The insignia you displayed as Regimental Sergeant Major is actually for Corps Regimental Sergeant Major (Corps RSM) who is the most senior soldier in the Royal Marines. Only one WO1 can hold this appointment at any time.
Fair play..
You beat me to this correct.comment
Captain-General is an appointment, not a rank, the insignia you show is for a field marshal. I had this argument with RMHQ a few years ago, when Prince Philip was the Captain General. They insisted that there was no such rank as Field Marshal in the RM, but I asked them to check photographs of Prince Philip in RM uniform. Sure enough he had Field Marshal insignia (he was after all an Admiral of the Fleet, Field Marshal, Marshall of the RAF, etc.) so naturally his RM uniform showed the 5-star rank. By the way do you know why the Royal Navy changed the number of pips on the various admiral's uniforms? Admiral Lord West got fed up of being treated as a 3-star officer because he only had three pips, so he ordered an extra pip for all admirals to match the star rank.
Danke für das video
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OK, I intend absolutely no disrespect here this is an honest question that I've wondered about for years. Here in the States Lieutenant is pronounced "Lootenant".......why is it pronounced "Leftenant" in the UK? I greatly appreciate you taking the time to reply if you get the chance. Loved the video, and you've gained a sub.
The true origin of the ‘f’ in lieutenant is unclear and is up for constant debate. Some say it’s because junior soldiers would walk on the left side of officers when swords were used on the battle field, to protect the senior officers. Others say it’s simply a mispronunciation by the English from when they first heard the word from french soldiers. And some say the English took it from the German pronunciation of the word verbatim and it just kind of stuck. To conclude; no one really knows.
@@morgantaaffe8494 thank you so much for replying
Because it’s the proper pronunciation.
I’m brittish I think it’s how it’s pronounced
I'm British but think the American version is better.
I would say, as in most armies that have no NCO leadership (see Russia) the responsibilities performed are done almost exclusively by junior officers. These positions in western armies are accomplished by junior NCO's. Therefore on the outside looking in these days, I would say it's a tie between corporal and sergeant.
Having gone through the ranks and achieved the rank of Captain RM on discharge, I would suggest that all ranks are key. The Royal Marines are a cohesive unit and not a group of individuals 🙏🏻
nice
Thanks Muddvy
Could you please produce a video on the ranks and insignia in the Foot Guards of the British Army?
The staffy.. 🤔 😁
Anyone know the difference between a C/Sgt and a S/Sgt ?
The CSgt were C students
@hanshawks5088 😂😂😂😂😂
German WW2 (SS) & Army & Airforce Ranks
Nice idea Arran
Primary
CSM and defo RSM 100%
Secondary:
Scrambled eggs WO1 and WO2
Strange ranking system
Well, we’ve only been doing it like that for 200 years.
Please do Russian or Ukrainian army ranks
Yeah but it takes years to make rank.
Very slow advancement
For the most capable Marines, particularly in specialised areas it can be quicker.
Why do the Brits pronounce Lieutenant with an "F" instead of a "U"?!?
because like the us and other westerns country the lieutenant comes from a old word france of lieu while the english word is leftenant this during hundred years ago
for example during the american is an allied with the france time american independence war fight the brithis military
The word was originally two Latin terms, "locum" meaning in place of, and "teneris" meaning holding, together the phrase applied to anyone "holding in place of" someone else. Over time the word "locum" evolved into the French word "lieu", which is pronounced in French as it is spelled. It is possible that when the English heard the French pronounce the compound word lieutenant, they perceived a slurring which they heard as a "v" or "f" sound between the first and second syllables. Most English speaking nations, with the exception of the United States, still pronounce the word as though there is an "f" in it.
Left tenant?☠️☠️☠️
That’s how lieutenant is pronounced in British English
@@gangiskhan6948no its not 💀💀
@@_uchiha Yes it is the British pronunciation
@@_uchiha The word was originally two Latin terms, "locum" meaning in place of, and "teneris" meaning holding, together the phrase applied to anyone "holding in place of" someone else. Over time the word "locum" evolved into the French word "lieu", which is pronounced in French as it is spelled. It is possible that when the English heard the French pronounce the compound word lieutenant, they perceived a slurring which they heard as a "v" or "f" sound between the first and second syllables. Most English speaking nations, with the exception of the United States, still pronounce the word as though there is an "f" in it.