I feel like it should have had some secret challenge level behind it, and to complete it you could be required to go in as Yoshi and use the three caps to use all 4 character’s abilities and power ups in order to reach the star
Yeah 8 rare bunnies for 1 star is a bad conversation rate. I cut out the segment where I discussed the multiplayer because it felt disconnected from the rest of the game, but in the context of looking for bunnies to unlock minigames the rare bunny hunt is a bit easier to stomach. But EVEN THEN it feels like a bit much and more than likely will lead to entering and exiting the castle over and over again
@@NintenDeengot any suggestions on how to make it less tedious? I'm thinking they could have cut the red coin star from the courtyard and the glowing rabbits entirely, and just have that hidden door be open from the beginning and contain 2 intangible yellow star blocks that fill in once you get half of the minigame keys and all of them respectively
Correct. I had a segment about the multiplayer and the minigames but it just felt shoehorned into the video so I cut it. I haven't played them in like 15 years and I wouldn't feel right discussing them without actually putting some hours into them
I'm really glad I came across your channel early in this great video series. Thank you for putting it together! It’s become my favorite Super Mario 64 + DS retrospective! I always looked forward to each new part, especially on days when I needed a little pick-me-up. I’m looking forward to seeing the next thing! 😄 EDIT: Oh, and I also really appreciate you always reading and replying to comments! ♥️
Thanks for following along! All of your comments (and everyone else's) became a fun part of my daily routine. Especially since I'm recognizing the profiles and pics so now it feels like I'm getting good ongoing discussions/feedback on the vids. I anticipate I'll be back into the daily uploads soonish. Just need some time to figure out a schedule so I don't have to play catch up and the quality doesn't suffer
I'm just getting started :) . I have some personal stuff to take care of for a week or 2, but in the near future you can expect more 3D Mario and the 4 Rareware N64 games
So glad the algorithm decided to recommend your OG Lethal Lava Land video during my Christmas break! Ended up watching the whole series up to that point out of order through "Guess I'll check out just one more", and after that I was of course morally obligated to subscribe. Great series! I never actually knew Mario 64 DS was controversial during my childhood, though, I only realized that after seeing discussions on the Internet. To me it was just "Mario 64 with more stuff, but stuck on a handheld device."
I like the added ground in Whomp's Fortress because it adds more to the stage. But I understand that it takes the challenge from the ground above kinda away. Maybe if they had find a way to workaround it and model it differently. Maybe the extra ground could've been in a different place.
Yoshi was originally supposed to be able to fight Chief Chilly as seen by dialogue if he glitches his way into the level. Also you can challenge Bowser as anyone after getting the key as Mario with the exception of Bowser in the Sky although you can glitch the other characters into there which has interesting effects. I look forward to hearing your opinions on Sunshine.
Oh I didn't know about the yoshi/chief chilly thing. I love sunshine so it'll be a positive angle. I'm just debating how I want to approach the blue coins discussion lol
@NintenDeen Ah yes, the blue coins. Probably the only controversial thing I COULD think of in Sunshine, because the pachinko machine is just too damn funny 😂
Yeah the pachinko one was finicky and broken but it was hardly a nuance lol. The blue coins on the other hand aren't fun without a guide. Searching is fun, but when you get to those last few and they're in specific episodes it loses the charm for me
One of the small issues I had with the N64 version was that it didn't tell you which secret stars you collected - you could be at 14 secret stars and you'd be running around everywhere trying to find the last one. This is an even bigger problem with the secret star count doubled in the DS version, so it might be a good idea to write down which secret stars are collected.
Should the algorithm allow it 😅. I'm just happy there are people enjoying these vids and actually commenting. Going through the comments has become a fun part of my day
Honestly, the character levels and new secret levels push the DS over the N64 version for me. Most of the normal levels are marginally better on one or the other, but getting more use out of the slide room and the mirror room in the castle is awesome, and the character levels are fantastic. Both are fantastic games though, and deserve the love they get.
My only real complaint with the DS is how Wario isn't balanced well to his peers with his abilities. If they made more situations where his power impacted the stage, like how he could punch Mr.Blizzard and the Tox Boxes, he would seem more useful even if those aren't required for their own stars. But the other problem is that he's unlocked so late that besides returning stars they locked to him he's only going to be used on platforming challenges like Tall Tall Mountain, Tick Tock Clock, and Rainbow Ride where it would be better to use Mario or Luigi in most cases.
Yeah the problem is in a game not focused on combat, strength is almost useless. I think a shoulder charge like his 2D games might have made him more fun to use. Because then you can mess around with horizontal movement for him and maybe have a physical system where you can slingshot him lol. He'd be faster on the ground and that would be useful
@@NintenDeen His shoulder charge also makes him jump farther. Huh, would that mean that in a hypothetical world where he had his shoulder charge in SM64DS, it would take the place of a sliding crouch and the extended jump would be his long jump?
@@NintenDeen Did you record a video every day or did you record them in bulk and release them periodically? Either way we appreciate all of this content! 😁
This is the most consistant quality and well viewed series about Mario 64 + 64DS I've seen in a while, doesn't have someone screaming in my face. It's just opinion and critical thinking, can't wait for more content from you! Happy 2025!
Don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone upload videos on a topic with the same level of frequency as you do without suffering for it. You’ve done comprehensive videos on both Mario 64 and the DS remake.
Oh yeah I had another copy of the game on a r4 card at one point and it had a cheat that would warp you to the test maps. One of them consists of nothing but about a dozen of those giant moving box enemies, super strange
Maybe I just suck, but I could never hear any difference in the Boo cackling on the new stage. I always tried to listen for minutes, then give up and just go eith trial and error. It’s not that long, only 3 options per room, and thankfully always the same.
I never had a DS, but the OG Mario 64 was and is one of my favorite games of all time. I still have my original cart from X-Mas 1996. I appreciate your vids and now I might need to eBay shop for a DS...
I believe that, while everyone is entitled to their opinion, that includes Shigiru Myamoto, who felt that the original game had to be shipped out in an *incomplete* state. The DS rerelease was the opportunity for him to finish development at the time that would allow such an event to happen, as we all know what came of the N64 Disk Drive...
I came to the DS version for the first time this week because my friend said it was the worst port Nintendo ever made... I came out loving it (although I am playing the emulated version with an analog control patch + camera on right stick). Unlocking the 3 characters was the most fun part. Finding their portraits. The new levels before them. The bosses. Luigi's mirror room to enter Wario is probably my biggest "wonder moment" I've ever had in this game. And the star behind the door in the mirror is genius and I love your story about it! Being able to play as more characters ended up being fun, but I wish you could just select any character when you enter a stage or have an easier time switching between them. It's annoying when you get to a certain challenge as Luigi and realize only Wario or Mario can do this and have to walk all the way back, so I ended up being Yoshi for most of the game, which is odd IMO. I also feel Wario's black blocks are silly and pretty arbitrary. I feel they could've found more ways to make him unique and fun to play as like Luigi without gating stars behind random blocks you have to crush. I do find the controls to be a bit more slippery and I just generally have less fun with because of that. But the new stars and changes to the levels tend to be great. Thus, the N64 version will remain the goto version for me. But the DS version is still great and ambitious, and I'm glad it's not just a straight up port like the Switch version.
8:40 Why should you only choose one? The n64 version is the OG, while the ds version is a very solid remake with enough content added to justify getting the game again. They're both great games IMHO
Oh you don't have to choose one at all lol. I just thought it was funny that I went through all of this and still couldn't be like "X is better than Y" lol. I thought I was going to conclude I liked DS more but I guess they're too different and both fun
I agree, but some times when I'm playing one of them I'll think "Man, I wish the DS content was in the 64 version." The eight-way movement and the run button always make for a weird adjustment period for me.
So, thats the end of the Mario 64 Retrospectives. Honestly, I have a lot of catch up to do and knowing myself it will take weeks for me to watch all these videos, but I'll try to do it. Hope you and your channel have a great 2025! Ah, and I hope you give me a heads-up when you decide to make the Megaman 7 video.
Yeah it was a heck of a December, I didn't expect to move straight into 64DS lol. I'm trying to find a good upload schedule where I can continue the Mega Man stuff too because I really want to get back into those games. I'm actually about to do an ACL surgery so I'm gonna be out for a bit, but hopefully around February I find a way to balance out multiple projects so that I'm not just doing 1 game at a time and once a week. Maybe some longform stuff on Saturdays like I was doing before Mario 64, and shorter 10 min stuff M-F, idk. We'll see but I definitely have been itching to play Mega Man X and 7 so I can't imagine it'll be too long until you hear something. I'll try and ping you when that happens!
@@NintenDeen Thanks, I hope your surgery goes well, In a week or so I will gonna do an endoscopy , so I hope it goes well too for me. You can take all the time you want to make videos and its fine to have 1 video a week for me, so go at your pace and stay great.
Both games have their merits. While I love the weird charm of the og, I also miss all the bonus levels from the remake. To me the Mario, Luigi and Wario levels are as iconic as the rest of the levels. And playing as Wario and Yoshi in an official 3d Mario game will never not be cool.
Agreed on all accounts. I was really hoping Odyssey would get DLC for more characters tbh. Especially with all of the costumes. I thought it would've made the game last longer
“Luigi only breaks 28 stars” that’s almost 20% of the total stars in the game and over a third of the stars required to beat Bowser. I wouldn’t say “only” is a good word to use there.
I say "only" because people will act like his backflip completely changes the game, when in actuality for most stages it's like 0-2 stars tops that he breaks. I probably could've delivered that better
I think you missed a secret star in the video? In Wing Mario Over The Rainbow there's a second secret star in a black brick block that only Wario can break.
Good catch. I realized it earlier, I counted the red coin stars in under the moat and behind the waterfall twice and didn't mention the 2 over the rainbow stars lol
This was a nice retrospective on the DS version! I know Sunshine is gonna be quite the layered topic in its own right, but I am curious if you ever plan on tackling Eclipse at any point despite it being a mod.
For me i just wish that there was a way to play with the controls more like 64s for the DS remake, if it was a 3ds remake with full stick control? It would feel a lot better for me.
I was wondering, was there a specific reason for making and using gameplay footage with upscaling settings for the 3D models enabled instead of the native resolution for this series?
I wanted it to look more similar to how it looks on the smaller native screen. I didn't like how it looked stretched out to a larger screen as I felt it wasn't a realistic depiction
Not all footage is my footage lol. Most of the 64 footage is from younger family members and a lot of the DS stuff was a mixture. I didn't plan on making all these videos so sometimes I just needed any footage that showed the stars I was discussing lol. I'm doing a fresh playthrough for sunshine so hopefully the quality there will be better :)
8:00 The funny thing about that... Is for the N64 and PSX those are the only home consoles I played and did not own nore did my best friend own... Which I discoved Super mario 64 and the N64 when getting a stadrad hearing check for a kid of may age in thee out clinic part of the biggest childerns hospital here in Jax Floirda my home town and the largest mega cities today if you use what Jaxians say is Jax is like almost 200 nmiles from center... Much less back then in the early '00s... Their it was a mario game on a home console that is different to the NES my grandma had from theifting that I played Duck hunt on well before I could speek at age 4 because of autism... And the Lobby was enmpy so I picked up a normal N64 control and played SM64 and N64 for the first time! Now played 3D PC games before like Lego Island but this was much different it was in 3rd person and din't have basic dugeon crawler movement! And SM64 being SM64 it fault natraul ofcorse me having the right stuff as a born master all games gamer makes all games look like that but arma 3 as I never got good at that... Or VR as I get very wobbly when moviuing in VR by the stick... So yeah I don't think home consoles will ever have that same kind of reach again...
Sonic fan here, and you're absolutely correct, I don't think there's a single one of us who won't admit that 3D sonic's been off the rails constantly for a few decades. As for where it went off the rails, that's always up for debate. I still think Heroes was the first major stumbling block, Shadow failed to course correct (as much as I love that game, it's objectively not good) and *_06 never happened._*
I have affinity for the bad sonic games lol. I have a whole playlist dedicated to defending the games from earlier this year 😅 . But I think I enjoy the analysis of the fanbase more than the actual analysis of the games haha
@@Baconator2558 I say that every time Unleashed comes up and it's a legit 50/50 split between people giving me crap for saying it, and people responding with "you're probably right."
@@NintenDeen A certain green-clad guy put it the best: "We'll hate you if you hate Sonic; We'll hate you if you _like_ Sonic; We'll hate you _if you're _*_Sonic."_*
Well, since that definitive remake would be a home console game they could make the map optional. But I'm totally with you, it'd be enough for me if they port 64DS to Switch/Switch 2 and adjust the controls to be played with a controller.
I know I'm only 9 minutes in, but I'm gonna take the "Spider-Man: No Way Home" approach and figure that you probably just really like both of them and can see that they're both very good on their own merits. They wear the same metaphorical suit, they're built off the same story, yet each one brings enough of its own thing to the table that you just can't get from the other that they each have their own identity that's just as valid as the other.
I'm basically at the point of playing whatever is most convenient in handheld lol. I carry my switch around more than my 3DS so OG on All-Stars gets more playtime lol
as a sonic fan i have to very vehemently disagree with you on the remaking sonic games that sort of thing has honestly been more of a hinderance on games like mania specifically for me, because instead of feeling like a whole new game, its just a collab of multiple games and only a handful of new things generations adapted the old to the new, so its not really a remake in that sense, since even the classic level design for classic stages is very rarely 1-1, while mania is, its a whole new game with references to past titles its part of why i dont really play mania anymore, id rather play sonic 3 or 2 or even sonic 1 & cd for my classic sonic fix because, honestly, mania just didn't do enough to make the old zones feel fresh, and honestly, especially for hydrocity, the original version is just legitimately better (not even nostalgia here i played mania before the other classic games) and for shadow generations, it uses level aesthetics and zones from previous games but expands them and does really interesting things with them to the point they feel incredibly fresh and like entirely new stages, so its not really a remake there, either (similar case to og gens) if they keep going with shadow generations level design and the tone of frontiers and shadow gens going forward, i will be very happy, because i think sonic team is hitting their stride again after the slog that was colors - forces where it felt like the games were regressing and not even trying colors was a step back in terms of level design and writing, generations was a severe step back in writing, lost world was a sudden change that was more confusing and unnecessary, and forces was the pinnacle of that era of regression with just unfinished everything tbh if there ever was a "sonic dark age", i would not consider it the early 2000s, i would consider it the 2010s, but i also dont think sonic had a "dark age" at all (i am probably biased because i actually really like games like heroes and shadow the hedgehog, and even sonic 06 i can enjoy ironically AND unironically), the 2000s were a time when sonic was trying new things and it didn't always work, but when they made good things like rush, rush adventure, and unleashed (HD), they were GOOD good, the 2010s was the series stagnating and making itself out to be what everyone makes fun of it for while disingenuously trying to appeal to fans of both the classic and adventure era, it was an overall cynical era of the franchise, imo frontiers and shadow gens feel like steps forward into making new things for the franchise that keep it moving and actually respect the franchise history instead of making constant annoying "meta" jokes while ultimately restraining itself from being what it wants to be with all that said i do agree on your sentiment of not wanting a remake for a game like mario 64, i just dont think we should be remaking as many games as are being remade rn i dont want sonic 06 to get a remake or the adventure games or anything like that, really, because i want things to keep going forward, not backward new ports and updates to keep old games playable, absolutely, but not remakes pull from the past occasionally, but dont get stuck in it, use the old to make something new that's all just my opinion anyway lol, sorry for the tangent
I think our views of Sonic align more than you'd expect haha. I have a sonic Retrospective in Reverse where I defend pretty much every game starting from Forces and working my way back to Adventure. I'd say my quality picks up around the Black Knight vid but if you're a Sonic fan and enjoyed Shadow, Sonic 06, etc you might enjoy my vids. They're much longer than the Mario 64 ones though th-cam.com/play/PLllNZxeWKXzpLTE9XzeHOMA-RVDbhJJvN.html&si=AGFNyOqgLCJtGMnx. In regards to my comment in the video, it was more in relation to a decade or so ago where it just felt like remaking the adventure games would've been the better play over Lost World/Boom/Forces even (and I liked Lost World and Forces). Also, Shadow Generations is probably my favorite Sonic game of all time now
11:52 boooo no fun/lighthearted What's the point of giving Luigi an ability if i can't break stuff with it Other than traversing Lethal Lava Land and Rainbow Ride easier anyway
I would like to see nintendo remake the game on switch, with oddyseys engine, waluigi and 200-250 stars, a few new stages like a space stage, beach stage or a jungle stage, I like super mario 64 ds but the game is a year older than me and I wouldn't concider it apealing to a modern casual player, also it's a missed oppurtunity that it was not included in super mario 3d all stars along with super mario galaxy 2
Peach was going to be a playable character in DS interestingly enough... So maybe she could be a New Game +/Funky Mode after you beat the game a first time? Waluigi meanwhile could be a gimmick character that could perhaps inherit some of Luigi's and Wario's potential to break the stages, especially if Luigi would be nerfed.
I wouldn't mind a newly built from the ground up sequel and return to peach's Castle. Think along the lines of what Link Between Worlds did to Link to the Past. When I said I don't want a remake I just mean I don't want them to literally give us the same game. But the same castle and stages plus like twice as much content would be cool
@ they could use the castle as a base but add like 2 new floors full of new levels, while adding secret stars and stars to existing stages, also I think every stage deserves a boss and most of them do not have one
@ I think waluigi could be speedy and athletic, but could maybe take twice the damage to not make him that overpowered, peach could work to but it would not make sense from the story perspective, but she could get the float move from super mario bros 2 or super mario run
The Battle Fort disappoints me for one reason, and it has nothing to do with the topic of these videos. In Multiplayer, every character can collect the Feather that's exclusive to Mario in the main game. When Yoshi grabs the Feather, wings appear on his sides, like in Super Mario World when he has a blue shell in his mouth (or a Blue Yoshi with any shell). My disappointment is with the fact that the devs went to the trouble of giving Yoshi a unique wing placement and wasted it by relegating it to Multiplayer. As the very least, they could have made his Power Flower powerup Super Dragon Yoshi instead of just unlimited fire breath for a time
I think Yoshi easily could've ended up OP if he could fly lol. I actually think they intentionally nerfed his strength otherwise he'd be the clear favorite and nobody would use another player
@@NintenDeen Even with flight as his Flower ability, I think a lot of people would still gravitate to Luigi since that backflip is available on command.
@@Chris-mc2dt The name “Super Dragon Yoshi” was used in the JP version of Super Mario World in 1990 and was used in the GBA version worldwide in 2002. His final Smash was both a reference to the name and the combination of his abilities.
You skipped through all the changes way too fast, I've never played Mario 64 DS and was enjoying all the videos. This one you hardly showed anything though. The princess slide room is different? I got confused about a lot of these changed and where they are.
Hmm yeah perhaps I should've went a bit more into the slide room since that's the biggest/only super obvious change. The princess slide room is where you change characters and also has the entrance to the sunshine isles stage the stage to unlock Mario. That's basically it lol
Nah, they legit should just remake some sonic games. But I think if they remake this game, (maybe just call it a sequel on main console. Keep Yoshi, Wario and Luigi. Tweak them b then PERCECT
I think a sequel set in the same peach's Castle with the stages revamped and more floors added would be good. It wouldn't be a remake but maybe a spiritual successor like link between worlds was to link to the past
it's super lame that the entire reward for the white door and the entire process for the rabbits is a measly one star and nothing else.
I feel like it should have had some secret challenge level behind it, and to complete it you could be required to go in as Yoshi and use the three caps to use all 4 character’s abilities and power ups in order to reach the star
The way he explained it as a replacement for Mips makes sense, but I agree even if only because that little sidequest drags on for far too long.
I remember thinking I'd get Waluigi and being literally stunned when all I got was a star. Especially since it took me weeks to get all shiny rabbits.
Yeah 8 rare bunnies for 1 star is a bad conversation rate.
I cut out the segment where I discussed the multiplayer because it felt disconnected from the rest of the game, but in the context of looking for bunnies to unlock minigames the rare bunny hunt is a bit easier to stomach. But EVEN THEN it feels like a bit much and more than likely will lead to entering and exiting the castle over and over again
@@NintenDeengot any suggestions on how to make it less tedious? I'm thinking they could have cut the red coin star from the courtyard and the glowing rabbits entirely, and just have that hidden door be open from the beginning and contain 2 intangible yellow star blocks that fill in once you get half of the minigame keys and all of them respectively
Sunshine Isles and Battle Fort were so obviously created for the multiplayer mode.
OH RIGHT HE DIDN'T COVER THAT AT ALL.
Correct. I had a segment about the multiplayer and the minigames but it just felt shoehorned into the video so I cut it. I haven't played them in like 15 years and I wouldn't feel right discussing them without actually putting some hours into them
There's multi-player and mini games? I think we need another video!
Maybe if I can convince my brother and cousins to run 4 players with me 😂. 10k subs special?
would love to see it @@NintenDeen
This was fun. Can’t wait for Mario Sunshine
Glad you enjoyed :)
I'm really glad I came across your channel early in this great video series. Thank you for putting it together! It’s become my favorite Super Mario 64 + DS retrospective! I always looked forward to each new part, especially on days when I needed a little pick-me-up. I’m looking forward to seeing the next thing! 😄
EDIT: Oh, and I also really appreciate you always reading and replying to comments! ♥️
Thanks for following along! All of your comments (and everyone else's) became a fun part of my daily routine. Especially since I'm recognizing the profiles and pics so now it feels like I'm getting good ongoing discussions/feedback on the vids. I anticipate I'll be back into the daily uploads soonish. Just need some time to figure out a schedule so I don't have to play catch up and the quality doesn't suffer
Sad to see this series go. : (
I'm just getting started :) . I have some personal stuff to take care of for a week or 2, but in the near future you can expect more 3D Mario and the 4 Rareware N64 games
@@NintenDeen Very exciting! I actually had a dream not so long ago that you did a video on Mumbo’s Mountain!
I hope the vid in your dreams was good quality 😅
@@NintenDeen ohoho do I smell Banjo?
What a journey, I'm really happy to have been here for so much of it. Can't wait to see what you do next!
Glad you enjoyed:)
So glad the algorithm decided to recommend your OG Lethal Lava Land video during my Christmas break! Ended up watching the whole series up to that point out of order through "Guess I'll check out just one more", and after that I was of course morally obligated to subscribe. Great series!
I never actually knew Mario 64 DS was controversial during my childhood, though, I only realized that after seeing discussions on the Internet. To me it was just "Mario 64 with more stuff, but stuck on a handheld device."
I'm glad you were able to enjoy the vids!
And yeah the 64DS controversy was new to me too, probably over a decade after it came out lol
I like the added ground in Whomp's Fortress because it adds more to the stage. But I understand that it takes the challenge from the ground above kinda away. Maybe if they had find a way to workaround it and model it differently. Maybe the extra ground could've been in a different place.
12:46 NSMBDS actually did this for the Ghost House levels.
Yup! I was thinking of that when I covered it
Yoshi was originally supposed to be able to fight Chief Chilly as seen by dialogue if he glitches his way into the level. Also you can challenge Bowser as anyone after getting the key as Mario with the exception of Bowser in the Sky although you can glitch the other characters into there which has interesting effects. I look forward to hearing your opinions on Sunshine.
Oh I didn't know about the yoshi/chief chilly thing.
I love sunshine so it'll be a positive angle. I'm just debating how I want to approach the blue coins discussion lol
@NintenDeen Ah yes, the blue coins. Probably the only controversial thing I COULD think of in Sunshine, because the pachinko machine is just too damn funny 😂
Yeah the pachinko one was finicky and broken but it was hardly a nuance lol. The blue coins on the other hand aren't fun without a guide. Searching is fun, but when you get to those last few and they're in specific episodes it loses the charm for me
@@MLWJ1993Only? Theres *so* much stuff in Sunshine that's it that great lol Like the game but yeah.
Really fun series btw, with a nice laid back style. Subbed, and looking forward to the next one
I'm glad you enjoyed! Was more fun to make because it was so laid back lol
One of the small issues I had with the N64 version was that it didn't tell you which secret stars you collected - you could be at 14 secret stars and you'd be running around everywhere trying to find the last one. This is an even bigger problem with the secret star count doubled in the DS version, so it might be a good idea to write down which secret stars are collected.
You'll be at 10K subs by July, mark my words
Should the algorithm allow it 😅. I'm just happy there are people enjoying these vids and actually commenting. Going through the comments has become a fun part of my day
Honestly, the character levels and new secret levels push the DS over the N64 version for me. Most of the normal levels are marginally better on one or the other, but getting more use out of the slide room and the mirror room in the castle is awesome, and the character levels are fantastic. Both are fantastic games though, and deserve the love they get.
My only real complaint with the DS is how Wario isn't balanced well to his peers with his abilities. If they made more situations where his power impacted the stage, like how he could punch Mr.Blizzard and the Tox Boxes, he would seem more useful even if those aren't required for their own stars. But the other problem is that he's unlocked so late that besides returning stars they locked to him he's only going to be used on platforming challenges like Tall Tall Mountain, Tick Tock Clock, and Rainbow Ride where it would be better to use Mario or Luigi in most cases.
Yeah the problem is in a game not focused on combat, strength is almost useless.
I think a shoulder charge like his 2D games might have made him more fun to use. Because then you can mess around with horizontal movement for him and maybe have a physical system where you can slingshot him lol. He'd be faster on the ground and that would be useful
@@NintenDeen His shoulder charge also makes him jump farther. Huh, would that mean that in a hypothetical world where he had his shoulder charge in SM64DS, it would take the place of a sliding crouch and the extended jump would be his long jump?
Potentially? It'd have made him more appealing for me at least
At least *Wario* is IN the game; *Waluigi* got nothing in the way of an appearance...
I foresee the algorithm blessing you friend, keep it up
It's blessed me this whole month, as long as it keeps going like this I'll keep making vids :)
Idk how you make these videos so fast but I enjoy watching these on my lunch breaks lol
I went a bit nuts in December 😅
@@NintenDeen Did you record a video every day or did you record them in bulk and release them periodically? Either way we appreciate all of this content! 😁
This is the most consistant quality and well viewed series about Mario 64 + 64DS I've seen in a while, doesn't have someone screaming in my face. It's just opinion and critical thinking, can't wait for more content from you! Happy 2025!
Thanks for the kind words and glad you enjoyed it! Hopefully more to come soon :)
One of my favorite parts is getting Wario to fight King Boo
Is that even possible? Lol. I figured you had to use Mario but I suppose it makes sense you'd just have to enter the painting with Wario
@NintenDeen Yeah lol. King Boo has dialogue for Wario. I had to backflip to get onto the ballot box
Don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone upload videos on a topic with the same level of frequency as you do without suffering for it. You’ve done comprehensive videos on both Mario 64 and the DS remake.
I had to sacrifice quality in a few moments and cut a bunch of corners, but I'm glad so many people were able to enjoy it!
For me, of SM64 has the better controls while the DS has the better textures models and levels.
That completely white void in the mirror room was my favourite one as a kid, can't put into words why exactly I love the whole concept, but I love it
Oh yeah I had another copy of the game on a r4 card at one point and it had a cheat that would warp you to the test maps. One of them consists of nothing but about a dozen of those giant moving box enemies, super strange
I liked how they implemented the mirror in general. Adding on to an iconic room from the original
Maybe I just suck, but I could never hear any difference in the Boo cackling on the new stage. I always tried to listen for minutes, then give up and just go eith trial and error. It’s not that long, only 3 options per room, and thankfully always the same.
@@19Szabolcs91 It also gets louder as you approach the correct door.
Really loved the extra levels and bosses this version added, and even all the bunnies, despite the final reward being just a star 🌟
I never had a DS, but the OG Mario 64 was and is one of my favorite games of all time. I still have my original cart from X-Mas 1996.
I appreciate your vids and now I might need to eBay shop for a DS...
I recommend a 3DS. Pretty easy to homebrew and there's more to work with
I believe that, while everyone is entitled to their opinion, that includes Shigiru Myamoto, who felt that the original game had to be shipped out in an *incomplete* state. The DS rerelease was the opportunity for him to finish development at the time that would allow such an event to happen, as we all know what came of the N64 Disk Drive...
It was truly a plesure watching it all. Thank you for the Journey
Glad you enjoyed it!
I came to the DS version for the first time this week because my friend said it was the worst port Nintendo ever made... I came out loving it (although I am playing the emulated version with an analog control patch + camera on right stick).
Unlocking the 3 characters was the most fun part. Finding their portraits. The new levels before them. The bosses. Luigi's mirror room to enter Wario is probably my biggest "wonder moment" I've ever had in this game. And the star behind the door in the mirror is genius and I love your story about it!
Being able to play as more characters ended up being fun, but I wish you could just select any character when you enter a stage or have an easier time switching between them. It's annoying when you get to a certain challenge as Luigi and realize only Wario or Mario can do this and have to walk all the way back, so I ended up being Yoshi for most of the game, which is odd IMO.
I also feel Wario's black blocks are silly and pretty arbitrary. I feel they could've found more ways to make him unique and fun to play as like Luigi without gating stars behind random blocks you have to crush.
I do find the controls to be a bit more slippery and I just generally have less fun with because of that. But the new stars and changes to the levels tend to be great. Thus, the N64 version will remain the goto version for me. But the DS version is still great and ambitious, and I'm glad it's not just a straight up port like the Switch version.
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Why should you only choose one? The n64 version is the OG, while the ds version is a very solid remake with enough content added to justify getting the game again.
They're both great games IMHO
Oh you don't have to choose one at all lol. I just thought it was funny that I went through all of this and still couldn't be like "X is better than Y" lol. I thought I was going to conclude I liked DS more but I guess they're too different and both fun
@@NintenDeen i totally agreement
Holy cow you replied fast btw 🤣
Lol I have random moments throughout the day where I read comments. If someone comments right before those moments they'll get a quick reply haha
I agree, but some times when I'm playing one of them I'll think "Man, I wish the DS content was in the 64 version." The eight-way movement and the run button always make for a weird adjustment period for me.
So, thats the end of the Mario 64 Retrospectives. Honestly, I have a lot of catch up to do and knowing myself it will take weeks for me to watch all these videos, but I'll try to do it. Hope you and your channel have a great 2025!
Ah, and I hope you give me a heads-up when you decide to make the Megaman 7 video.
Yeah it was a heck of a December, I didn't expect to move straight into 64DS lol. I'm trying to find a good upload schedule where I can continue the Mega Man stuff too because I really want to get back into those games. I'm actually about to do an ACL surgery so I'm gonna be out for a bit, but hopefully around February I find a way to balance out multiple projects so that I'm not just doing 1 game at a time and once a week. Maybe some longform stuff on Saturdays like I was doing before Mario 64, and shorter 10 min stuff M-F, idk. We'll see but I definitely have been itching to play Mega Man X and 7 so I can't imagine it'll be too long until you hear something. I'll try and ping you when that happens!
@@NintenDeen Thanks, I hope your surgery goes well, In a week or so I will gonna do an endoscopy , so I hope it goes well too for me. You can take all the time you want to make videos and its fine to have 1 video a week for me, so go at your pace and stay great.
Both games have their merits. While I love the weird charm of the og, I also miss all the bonus levels from the remake. To me the Mario, Luigi and Wario levels are as iconic as the rest of the levels. And playing as Wario and Yoshi in an official 3d Mario game will never not be cool.
Agreed on all accounts. I was really hoping Odyssey would get DLC for more characters tbh. Especially with all of the costumes. I thought it would've made the game last longer
“Luigi only breaks 28 stars” that’s almost 20% of the total stars in the game and over a third of the stars required to beat Bowser. I wouldn’t say “only” is a good word to use there.
I say "only" because people will act like his backflip completely changes the game, when in actuality for most stages it's like 0-2 stars tops that he breaks. I probably could've delivered that better
20% is a perfectly reasonable percentage to use the term “only” for. That’s far less than half
@ I mean when you’re talking about 20% of the game being completely broken by one character I disagree
I think you missed a secret star in the video? In Wing Mario Over The Rainbow there's a second secret star in a black brick block that only Wario can break.
Good catch. I realized it earlier, I counted the red coin stars in under the moat and behind the waterfall twice and didn't mention the 2 over the rainbow stars lol
This was a nice retrospective on the DS version! I know Sunshine is gonna be quite the layered topic in its own right, but I am curious if you ever plan on tackling Eclipse at any point despite it being a mod.
Mods are about out of reach for me atm lol. But thanks for the kind words!
For me i just wish that there was a way to play with the controls more like 64s for the DS remake, if it was a 3ds remake with full stick control? It would feel a lot better for me.
I was wondering, was there a specific reason for making and using gameplay footage with upscaling settings for the 3D models enabled instead of the native resolution for this series?
I wanted it to look more similar to how it looks on the smaller native screen. I didn't like how it looked stretched out to a larger screen as I felt it wasn't a realistic depiction
Great series dude! Loved every video, you earned a sub...one question tho..were you deliberately bad at the game for any particular reason? Lol
Not all footage is my footage lol. Most of the 64 footage is from younger family members and a lot of the DS stuff was a mixture.
I didn't plan on making all these videos so sometimes I just needed any footage that showed the stars I was discussing lol.
I'm doing a fresh playthrough for sunshine so hopefully the quality there will be better :)
8:00 The funny thing about that... Is for the N64 and PSX those are the only home consoles I played and did not own nore did my best friend own... Which I discoved Super mario 64 and the N64 when getting a stadrad hearing check for a kid of may age in thee out clinic part of the biggest childerns hospital here in Jax Floirda my home town and the largest mega cities today if you use what Jaxians say is Jax is like almost 200 nmiles from center... Much less back then in the early '00s... Their it was a mario game on a home console that is different to the NES my grandma had from theifting that I played Duck hunt on well before I could speek at age 4 because of autism... And the Lobby was enmpy so I picked up a normal N64 control and played SM64 and N64 for the first time! Now played 3D PC games before like Lego Island but this was much different it was in 3rd person and din't have basic dugeon crawler movement! And SM64 being SM64 it fault natraul ofcorse me having the right stuff as a born master all games gamer makes all games look like that but arma 3 as I never got good at that... Or VR as I get very wobbly when moviuing in VR by the stick... So yeah I don't think home consoles will ever have that same kind of reach again...
Lol this was fun to read. Thanks for sharing
I always thought you would unlock peach after unlocking the 150 stars and the 8 white rabbits
Bro, you earned my subscribe, 1000%!
Glad you've enjoyed! :)
Sonic fan here, and you're absolutely correct, I don't think there's a single one of us who won't admit that 3D sonic's been off the rails constantly for a few decades. As for where it went off the rails, that's always up for debate. I still think Heroes was the first major stumbling block, Shadow failed to course correct (as much as I love that game, it's objectively not good) and *_06 never happened._*
Sonic as a franchise has always had a major identity crisis.
I have affinity for the bad sonic games lol. I have a whole playlist dedicated to defending the games from earlier this year 😅 . But I think I enjoy the analysis of the fanbase more than the actual analysis of the games haha
@@theking8347 Which probably wouldn't be the case if every time they wanted to add more focused combat, they just made a Knuckles spin-off instead.
@@Baconator2558 I say that every time Unleashed comes up and it's a legit 50/50 split between people giving me crap for saying it, and people responding with "you're probably right."
@@NintenDeen A certain green-clad guy put it the best: "We'll hate you if you hate Sonic; We'll hate you if you _like_ Sonic; We'll hate you _if you're _*_Sonic."_*
Well, since that definitive remake would be a home console game they could make the map optional.
But I'm totally with you, it'd be enough for me if they port 64DS to Switch/Switch 2 and adjust the controls to be played with a controller.
I know I'm only 9 minutes in, but I'm gonna take the "Spider-Man: No Way Home" approach and figure that you probably just really like both of them and can see that they're both very good on their own merits. They wear the same metaphorical suit, they're built off the same story, yet each one brings enough of its own thing to the table that you just can't get from the other that they each have their own identity that's just as valid as the other.
I'm basically at the point of playing whatever is most convenient in handheld lol. I carry my switch around more than my 3DS so OG on All-Stars gets more playtime lol
Loved this series, but no retrospective of SM64DS is complete without talking about the minigames! I think most of my playtime was playing those
10k subscriber special. I'll get my brother and cousins to run 4 players with me and do a video 😅
as a sonic fan i have to very vehemently disagree with you on the remaking sonic games
that sort of thing has honestly been more of a hinderance on games like mania specifically for me, because instead of feeling like a whole new game, its just a collab of multiple games and only a handful of new things
generations adapted the old to the new, so its not really a remake in that sense, since even the classic level design for classic stages is very rarely 1-1, while mania is, its a whole new game with references to past titles
its part of why i dont really play mania anymore, id rather play sonic 3 or 2 or even sonic 1 & cd for my classic sonic fix because, honestly, mania just didn't do enough to make the old zones feel fresh, and honestly, especially for hydrocity, the original version is just legitimately better (not even nostalgia here i played mania before the other classic games)
and for shadow generations, it uses level aesthetics and zones from previous games but expands them and does really interesting things with them to the point they feel incredibly fresh and like entirely new stages, so its not really a remake there, either (similar case to og gens)
if they keep going with shadow generations level design and the tone of frontiers and shadow gens going forward, i will be very happy, because i think sonic team is hitting their stride again after the slog that was colors - forces where it felt like the games were regressing and not even trying
colors was a step back in terms of level design and writing, generations was a severe step back in writing, lost world was a sudden change that was more confusing and unnecessary, and forces was the pinnacle of that era of regression with just unfinished everything
tbh if there ever was a "sonic dark age", i would not consider it the early 2000s, i would consider it the 2010s, but i also dont think sonic had a "dark age" at all (i am probably biased because i actually really like games like heroes and shadow the hedgehog, and even sonic 06 i can enjoy ironically AND unironically), the 2000s were a time when sonic was trying new things and it didn't always work, but when they made good things like rush, rush adventure, and unleashed (HD), they were GOOD good, the 2010s was the series stagnating and making itself out to be what everyone makes fun of it for while disingenuously trying to appeal to fans of both the classic and adventure era, it was an overall cynical era of the franchise, imo
frontiers and shadow gens feel like steps forward into making new things for the franchise that keep it moving and actually respect the franchise history instead of making constant annoying "meta" jokes while ultimately restraining itself from being what it wants to be
with all that said i do agree on your sentiment of not wanting a remake for a game like mario 64, i just dont think we should be remaking as many games as are being remade rn
i dont want sonic 06 to get a remake or the adventure games or anything like that, really, because i want things to keep going forward, not backward
new ports and updates to keep old games playable, absolutely, but not remakes
pull from the past occasionally, but dont get stuck in it, use the old to make something new
that's all just my opinion anyway lol, sorry for the tangent
I think our views of Sonic align more than you'd expect haha.
I have a sonic Retrospective in Reverse where I defend pretty much every game starting from Forces and working my way back to Adventure. I'd say my quality picks up around the Black Knight vid but if you're a Sonic fan and enjoyed Shadow, Sonic 06, etc you might enjoy my vids. They're much longer than the Mario 64 ones though th-cam.com/play/PLllNZxeWKXzpLTE9XzeHOMA-RVDbhJJvN.html&si=AGFNyOqgLCJtGMnx.
In regards to my comment in the video, it was more in relation to a decade or so ago where it just felt like remaking the adventure games would've been the better play over Lost World/Boom/Forces even (and I liked Lost World and Forces). Also, Shadow Generations is probably my favorite Sonic game of all time now
watching u fight goomboss hurt me phyically lol
That's all part of the immersion 👀
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I loved this game so much, my cartridge no longer reads though 😢
*cough* homebrew
11:52 boooo no fun/lighthearted
What's the point of giving Luigi an ability if i can't break stuff with it
Other than traversing Lethal Lava Land and Rainbow Ride easier anyway
You can still break stuff, I just don't like that he almost completely removes the challenge for certain stars lol
so does your mario 64 love translate to banjo kazooie love?
In the coming months you can expect more 3D Mario and the 4 Rareware N64 games!
Great games, great videos.
Glad you've enjoyed :)
I gave Chief Chilly a Russian accent when I battle him!
Fits 😅
Do Diddy Kong Racing 64 then the DS version and compare whats changed :D
Ooh that's a good shout. I imagine I'll do Diddy Kong racing at some point but I'm not sure when 🤔
I would like to see nintendo remake the game on switch, with oddyseys engine, waluigi and 200-250 stars, a few new stages like a space stage, beach stage or a jungle stage, I like super mario 64 ds but the game is a year older than me and I wouldn't concider it apealing to a modern casual player, also it's a missed oppurtunity that it was not included in super mario 3d all stars along with super mario galaxy 2
Peach was going to be a playable character in DS interestingly enough... So maybe she could be a New Game +/Funky Mode after you beat the game a first time?
Waluigi meanwhile could be a gimmick character that could perhaps inherit some of Luigi's and Wario's potential to break the stages, especially if Luigi would be nerfed.
I wouldn't mind a newly built from the ground up sequel and return to peach's Castle. Think along the lines of what Link Between Worlds did to Link to the Past.
When I said I don't want a remake I just mean I don't want them to literally give us the same game. But the same castle and stages plus like twice as much content would be cool
@ they could use the castle as a base but add like 2 new floors full of new levels, while adding secret stars and stars to existing stages, also I think every stage deserves a boss and most of them do not have one
@ I think waluigi could be speedy and athletic, but could maybe take twice the damage to not make him that overpowered, peach could work to but it would not make sense from the story perspective, but she could get the float move from super mario bros 2 or super mario run
The Battle Fort disappoints me for one reason, and it has nothing to do with the topic of these videos. In Multiplayer, every character can collect the Feather that's exclusive to Mario in the main game. When Yoshi grabs the Feather, wings appear on his sides, like in Super Mario World when he has a blue shell in his mouth (or a Blue Yoshi with any shell). My disappointment is with the fact that the devs went to the trouble of giving Yoshi a unique wing placement and wasted it by relegating it to Multiplayer. As the very least, they could have made his Power Flower powerup Super Dragon Yoshi instead of just unlimited fire breath for a time
But that would just make it the same as Mario
Not very unique utilization
I think Yoshi easily could've ended up OP if he could fly lol. I actually think they intentionally nerfed his strength otherwise he'd be the clear favorite and nobody would use another player
Super Dragon Yoshi didn’t exist yet in 2004
@@NintenDeen Even with flight as his Flower ability, I think a lot of people would still gravitate to Luigi since that backflip is available on command.
@@Chris-mc2dt The name “Super Dragon Yoshi” was used in the JP version of Super Mario World in 1990 and was used in the GBA version worldwide in 2002. His final Smash was both a reference to the name and the combination of his abilities.
You skipped through all the changes way too fast, I've never played Mario 64 DS and was enjoying all the videos. This one you hardly showed anything though. The princess slide room is different? I got confused about a lot of these changed and where they are.
Hmm yeah perhaps I should've went a bit more into the slide room since that's the biggest/only super obvious change. The princess slide room is where you change characters and also has the entrance to the sunshine isles stage the stage to unlock Mario. That's basically it lol
Perhaps there's a side-by-side comparison video out there that shows the room in both games.
Nah, they legit should just remake some sonic games. But I think if they remake this game, (maybe just call it a sequel on main console. Keep Yoshi, Wario and Luigi. Tweak them b then PERCECT
I think a sequel set in the same peach's Castle with the stages revamped and more floors added would be good. It wouldn't be a remake but maybe a spiritual successor like link between worlds was to link to the past
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So freaking long, gay Bowser.
No wait, it's the DS version...
Buh bye.
"Bye bi!"