I think its partly because he's got 7 snakes that are all maladjusted in thematically appropriate ways. Though your probably very right about the names. That said, it is funny to assume that when he was little he called them things that made sense to a small child: like calling Wrath, Angry or Gluttony, Hungry or that Greed dropped a Y at some point, and that Pride might have been Bossy or something at some point XD
In g3 she was born a mummy and never put to sleep. It's debatable whether or not she's as old as her g1 counterpart though, her age has never been stated in g3
Heath’s parents in G1: fire elementals somehow related to Doctor Jekyll (he and Jackson/Holt are cousins) Heath’s parents in G3: HEYYYYY HEATH IT’S ME DA DEVIL
I think since Holt was half-fire elemental it was kind of implied that a relative married into the Jekyl/Hyde family (I do like the fanworks that make it his dad's side & they passed down their moms' names anyway)
My explanation for why werewolves still follow the "Alpha" concept: Part of what made the original study flawed was that it was watching wolves in captivity. The emotional strain and the breaking of the usual family dynamic drove them to force order through violence. Now take an honest look at society. You work for people who undervalue your labor, and then an authority you know is incompetent takes as much as they like of your money to do with as it pleases. You have to wear clothes, and say all the right things at the right time, and be judged on every little choice you make. You can find yourself isolated without the benefit of any actual breathing room. Werewolves are beasts in cages where the bars are made of taxes, underwear, pleases, and thank-yous. Of course they've got a warped heirarchy.
@@Bezaliel13 One of my guilty pleasures is an urban fantasy novel series with werewolves as some of the main characters, so I'm just carrying over an old theory to this. But considering Lions will go on a little infanticidal spree whenever they take over a pride, maybe they used that fact as leverage to get people to accept the relatively less harsh Alpha model.
This, They are part human and part wild animal and what do you get when you give a human society pressure to someone with a more animalistic instincts you were going to get this! The alpha wolf society come from The human side of things not the wolf's side of things
See i get what you mean but your forgetting what the research cited as “packs” were simply families, they still wont “fight to be an alpha” as their families would be the “packs” It also wont make sense they woukd fight w other species over who would be the ruler like cats & mice
Honestly, Hades as a greedy CEO is actually a valid interpretation. Hades wasn't just the god of the Underworld, he was the god of wealth because of all the riches beneath the ground. He was often called "the rich one", which is where his Roman name (well, semi Roman, the Greeks were using it as an epithet before that) Pluto came from. As a god of mining, money, and misery, a CEO who devastates the environment trying to dig things up actually makes sense.
yeah if you watch overly sarcastics video on hades and Persephone they tell the origins of the underworld myths and perse was the queen of the underworld before Hades came along, so technically hades is the god of wealth and Persephone is the god of the underworld.
Didn't Hades only become a God of wealth after he got mashed up with a Roman God of wealth? OSP did mention several times that the Roman synchronized God all of the time.
@@frankielovejoy9928 Sort of. He was often conflated with another Greek god, the Eleusinian god of wealth Ploutos, but the Greeks had been using it as an epithet for him since the 5th century BC at least, and several Classical Greek writers (Plato being the most popular) referred to him as Pluton. The evidence suggests they were two separate gods that were often syncretized due to the similar epithet, but it was long before Rome entered the picture.
Although I love the fact that G3 gave Abby a Nepali accent as well as making her significantly taller than other characters, I really wish that they gave her and her mother more fur on their bodies to be more closer to actual mythological yetis. Because I feel like doing that would also normalize body hair on women, and even the fact that there are women out there that actually grow facial hair
Abbey does have fur on her body! Its not shown in the cartoon(and i have no idea why cus they have no issue giving clawdeen hair texture on her eyebrows) but on her dolls she has fur on her hands & legs which is meant to show shes covered in fur
@@trashotakui hate the inconsistencies but ngl their designs r honestly much better then the shows & abbey included, like i mentioned she actually has fur there
Honestly, I'm just happy the show and doll line gave Abbey (and her mother) larger body types in general. Sure, the doll looks a lot different from the show, but it's not often we get a character like Abbey who is on the heavier side. So I'm not asking for everything (like fur) in one go.
Need I remind you sir that Abbey dwarfed the other girls even in G1 and she had an ambiguous accent in G1 and she was strong enough to lift and throw Manny Taur like a ragdoll with only one hand easily
The lore feels exactly like the mess of contradictions and plot holes I'd expect from a show that tries to shove multiple different monsters from vastly different cultures and religions under one roof. Things are going to fall through the cracks. So it feels like the writers decided to ignore that entirely and just did whatever they wanted.
Monster high was meant to purly be based off universal monsters-they were supposed to be the children of famous universal monsters(lagoona used to be named lagoona black & be green before she was changed cus frankie was already green) Thus their lore was based on universal’s depictions not the folklore or novals-i think now that their no longer associated w universal the world building fall apart
@@Man-wolf- Exactly. This is what happens when you try to have your cake and eat it too. The writers of Gen 3 seem to have wanted to expand on the various species of monsters and make them more distinct, but failed to fully think through the implications. Now, I'm not saying it's necessarily a bad thing. Most casual viewers are probably not going to take the time to analyze this stuff, but it is an added layer of distraction when you have even a baseline idea of what they're talking about.
@@frankielovejoy9928mousecedes is the biggest example-they try to specificy her species when it just makes her creepier then before Shes the daughter of the rat king which is a folklore based on a phenomenon where rats tails get stucked toghter , the folklore states that said rats r under the control of their ruler “the rat king” which is just a big creepy rat Making mousecedes a weremouse instead of just a random rat just makes it creepier(to me personally) i do think its bad in certien ways Like with cleo-its giving the audience the impression that mummies have infact had all their organs taken out when no it was only four, it wasnt as massive as the show makes it out to be Same with hades-people already dont know all that much about ancient greek religion , having hades be essaintly just satan in a different font is gonna make your fans believe thats how hades is sctually like in greek mythology when he wasnt-he didnt even have anything to do w fire that came from disneys verison of him Granted i also think their trying so hard to show how “edgy” they are without actually taking risks & delving into darker subjects like g1 did(alot of the characters origins are really really dark then what youd expect)
@Man-wolf- Gonna be honest, nothing about the show, at least from what I've seen, feels edgy. Like, it doesn't even feel like the writers are trying to be edgy. In fact, the show feels more child-like than the movies that aired on Nickelodeon years ago. Obviously, lore is not the most important element, it just feels more like the writers were having fun cramming as much lore into the show as possible as easter eggs without actually stopping to think about it.
@@Man-wolf-what baffles me is how much more concise G1's lore/characterization was despite them being under the eyes of both Mattel AND universal. Even when they introduced non-universal monsters they didn't feel jarring. They have a lot more free reign post-universal and Mattel seems to have laxed a bit as well with their IPs and how they're depicted. Yet G3 feels so behind in so many facets. Even the fashion being so mainstreamed has removed so much personality from the characters, and they feel so samey. I always felt EAH would've benefitted from being with a company that would've allowed them to focus on the royal vs rebel dynamics and not just abandon it and say "nvm, everyone can make their choice and it won't affect the other faction's story somehow", but after MH G3, I'm REALLY hoping they don't touch EAH unless they're willing to let it's more dark story actually happen.
I love the trope of werewolf lore drawing more upon actual wolves than on bad stereotypes about wolves from past times and I wish writers who deal with vampires would, you know, draw more on the actual behaviour and lifestyle and habits of actual vampire bats.
I get why they dont tbh-vampires are closer to zombies then they are to vampire bats , they were even treated the same way as zombies before twilight came out Not to mention Dracula could transform into both a bat & a wolf , modern media just focus on the bat part W werewolves it makes sense since they are litrealy half wolf but vampires are just undead creatures
Absolutely - there's a lot of missed potential there. Real vampire bats are amazing! They're a commonly-used example of animal altruism (colonies will regurgitate food to feed visiting strangers), they recognize their infants' calls (like most bats), and their kidneys are so efficient that they can triple their weight with a blood meal but still lose enough urine quickly enough to fly away safely.
Why couldn't Heath be an Arabic Ifriti or "fire genie" even in the oldest folklore Ifriti were known to marry human women plus there just aren't a lot of good middle eastern characters in media anymore
People are terrified of actually depicting minorites because of how many fake activists on social media complain about every depiction ever even when minorities thought the character was fine. You may want to give AC Mirage a try. Takes place in the past in ancient Baghdad, but still good. Even has a Arabic dub.
My guess with hades is that the creators really wanted him to be the christian devil but got pushback after they had already written and voiced the scripts, so they just replaced all the mentions of the name lucifer with hades.
I think it was a blink and you miss it detail in the comic book Drac used to explain why Magic was banned to Mr Wolf. Baba Jaga WAS that teacher who started to hurt students, leading to Human and Monster Segregation.
My assumption was always that 1000 years of age for immortal beings equals the same in human years. So like 15000 years is 15 years old for them developmently. But you do bring up a good point about how long they are supposed to go to school for
I feel like some immortals probably go to school every year in the same grade til they hit the next age in human years, some just go til they like get all A’s every quarter maybe, and some probably just go one year for every grade, whether they do them consecutively each school year or wait til they hit the next age in human years. I feel like draculaura would probably decide to go up a grade every school year to stay in touch with her friends more
That means Clawd and Draculaura's relationship is gonna be weird in some years bc she is still gonna be a teen and him a grown man one day...at least in G1 they said that werewolves age slowly kinda like vampires (every 100 years) but in this gen they seem to age like regular humans
Here's the thing, though: Draculaura starts out as 1500, but ages 100 in the span of a single school year, turning 1600 while her friends are all supposedly 16. So, the idea of her staying in school for hundreds of years isn't actually plausible. It implies that she hasn't actually been around for 1,600 years, and possibly ages QUICKER than her peers.
The worst part is that they don't even care to keep it consistent for flashbacks. Heath and Drac knew each other as kids which makes sense since they're both 100s of years old, but draculaura also knew Twyla in elementary school?? Even though twyla is only 15
damn the draculaura thing rlly got me 🥲 it sucks that some inconsistencies are this rampant even though the characters themselves are fun love hearing you talk about mythology!
I remember somewhere in the Gen 1, maybe the diary that came with the doll, that her dad was the original and the other Dracula used his name as an usurper.
@@Bezaliel13yeah this is it. iirc her dad was a fake Dracula or something similar in Greece I think, and he fell in love with her mother(Draculaura's biological father was a soldier who worked for Dracula and died). But both her and her mother got some sickness, resulting in her mother dying, and Dracula turned Draculaura into a vampire so she wouldn't die from it. It's been a while since I read the diaries so I can't remember.
This made me think of that one scene in the Perfect Vampire episode where Draculaura whips out a video of her dancing 200 years ago. So I guess, yeah, she has been in high school that long. But girlie, WHERE DID THE SMARTPHONE COME FROM?!?
This is honestly the most in-depth I've gotten in to MH g3 lore, so the idea of Heath being a divorce child with Christian Lucifer as a stepdad that he vibes with more than his biological father sounds like a fun idea.
These types of videos are so nice to listen to since my brain wants to analyze stuff like this but I never have the motivation to so someone making a video about it makes me really happy :)
I’m fully convinced that the only reason Monster High’s “Hades” is a fire elemental and somewhat villainous is that Mattel based him off of Disney’s Hades. I definitely find the decision to make Heath the son of a god a bit weird but if I was the one in charge of this, I would’ve done one of two things. The first is make heat the son of one of the two ACTUAL gods of fire in Greek mythology, Hestia goddess of the home in hearth or a Festus, god of fire, blacksmiths, metallurgy, etc. The second option, which I personally prefer, is instead of making him the son of a Greek god, make this the son of a Norse god, specifically Loki. Although Loki is most well-known as being the Norse god of mischief, he’s also the Norse god of fire, because he is a fire jötunn (even though he was depicted as a frost jötunn in Marvel, which probably results in more people thinking that actual Loki is a frost jötunn). It would also give a good reason why both Heath and his dad are fire elementals will also be gods. Plus, I feel like being the son of the god of mischief would also kind of explain why Heath’s always getting into trouble intentionally or not. Also also, if Heath’s dad was Loki, his mom HAS to be Angrboða
Loki's connection to fire in mythology is... loose at best. The only real evidence for it is that his name sounds similar to logi, the Norse word for wildfire, which has mostly been agreed to be a coincidence, especially because Logi is an actual distinct mythological figure who has an eating contest with Loki at one point. Also 'mischief' is more a personality trait than it is a godly domain, we don't actually know what Loki was the god of (best guess is a hearth deity/protector of children). Which honestly is what I think he would want
Honestly i wont even involve gods-their yknow gods not monsters Im Brazilian myself & i remeber when we found out hades is heaths dad some fans suggested having heath be the son of Curupira instead & i honestly think it would have been FARR better! Not only is he an actual fire elemental unlike hades but would also provide great representation for Brazilian latine people, specificly Indigenous ones
@@Man-wolf- I’m not Brazilian but I agree with you! I find the creatures of Brazilian mythology to be so fascinating and I even have monster high ocs based on many of those creatures
@@trashotakui rlly wish we got more representation for them, espically in monster high All we have been getting from monster high recently are just random werecreatures n its getting boring-g1 gave us alot of rlly interesting monsters like a faceless ghost & a rat king and i really wish g3 would give us more of that I also would just like to have a latine characters that *doesnt* speak spanish cus it feels like thats all media is willing to represent
Maybe Heath has 2 dads? Christianization did come to Greece as you said, so maybe the two have known each other for a really long time? Idk, just a theory.
I could listen to you rant about Mythology all day. The way you present it and tall about media’s relationship with the original material si so fascinating.
I want to redesign Heath and Hades' designs so badly! Especially Hades to add more Underworld elements to him like his Helm of Darkness or maybe a reference to Cerbus on him
I think heath's dad being both the devil and hades makes sense with g3's lore. Monsters existed before our myths, and different cultures came up with different interpretations of what they saw, like with Vampires and Jiangshi. With that, I would believe that the devil is just the christians of the g3 universe interpreting Hades in a way that makes sense to them
Also for the whole thing of Draculaura being older than Vlad, I choose to believe the g1 collector drac's diary explanation unless it's directly contradicted
one thing about modern portrayals of Hades that annoys me is that they treat Hades as if he’s the big bad of the myths, they compare him to lucifer and demons. in his actual greek myths he’s always just a chill guy who loves his wife. yes he has done like 1 or 2 things we would see as bad, like kidnapping his wife, but holy shit, it’s nothing compared to the other greek gods edit: i can see how in the first paragraph i worded it a tad weird i guess, i dont think he’s all good and chill by today’s standards at all, but in the historical context of ancient greek he, probably quite different
I'm sorry cab we not do this whole "Hades was actually a good guy". Have you never heard of the Hymn of Demeter. All the Greek God's suck, just because he sucks less doesn't mean he wasn't horrible. I'd recommend watching videos on the Hymn of Demeter because of the fact that Persephone was glad to see her mother back. 👍
Like he worked with Zeus to kidnap persephone, forced her to be with him. Lore Olympus helped with the fact that "hades is just a misunderstood man".. he still sucks 😭
@@HanleyBrook-pz9iw i actually get most of my information on Hades from the Hymn of Demeter. from my interpretation, hades wasn’t a bad guy, ik your interpretation is different, but he’s not intentionally portrayed to be fully good or bad, im more pissed media makes him a full satan figure. i’d recommend watching “overly sarcastic productions ” video about Persephone and Hades
I really hate how so christain based the greek characters in mh are-not only do we have the mess that is heath but like you mentioned deuce’s snakes are named after the seven deadily sins Its the same thing as vivziepop stating her verison of hell includes all religions - it feels like both mattel & vivzie just picked & choose whatever sounded cool & edgy and slapped it onto the characters not considering if it even makes sense The same goes for cleo & her orgeons, they just knew mummies have their organs taken Out and that was the end of their research - they didnt bother to research more
The Hazbin stuff is especially annoying because imagine if Charlie was on speaking terms with Osiris and Odin and Quetzalcoatl and Izanami and Hades and all the other cool and awesome Underworld gods! And how can you create a premise like “Hazbin Hotel” and NOT have Charlie interact with and even try to redeem some of history’s worst bad guys?
The weird thing about Abby in G1 and G2 is that she IS Himalayan but they gave her a random Russian accent and make her talk about “old country” like… GIRL WHY 🤣 I just pretend she’s roleplaying or something since it makes NO SENSE
i hc she’s autistic for a lot of reasons and this is one of them lol i hc there are some (maybe visiting) people in her village who are russian and she just picked up their accent one day and never went back
The Age thing is weird, now that you mention it. It would make sense to make drakulaura 160 yo since she's a vampire and they have a rather fluid relationship with age. if i remember correctly Stokers Dracula started as an ancient looking guy and got younger by drinking blood. so it would make sense that they can regulate their apparent age by the amount of blood they consume or by changing how much energy they absorb in the vegetarian vampire case. my headcanon for the perfect performance issue would be that it's more about those around her in regards of the effect or that her ability to absorb energy is dependent on her state of mind. if she starts doubting herself of if she's not feeling good abount herself she can't absorb the energy as effieciently as usual, the results of which were shown. i personally consider baba yaga to be fae adjacent or some sort of minor divinity.
As someone who lives in Transylvania and had to study Vlad the Impaler in school, you make some pretty good arguments. I hate to say this, but Hotel Transylvania was actually more accurate
A big thing I miss is the lore of Gen 1. Gen 2 largely discarded it for their own thing, and while Gen 3 is closer to Gen 1 than Gen 2 was, I do wish it felt more closely connected (ie Clawdeen's family).
Maybe heath has 2 dads being hades and the devil but like probably they thought we couldn’t put the devil in are show who’s target audience is children so but this is a way to look at it but tbh ur probably right saying omg I Persephone is his mum but epic video thx
Also - i still hate that witchcraft is banned It makes no sense since not only is witchcraft & dracula heavily tied to eachother but witchcraft is often blamed for the existance of alot of monsters like werewolves- draculaura also shares nothing in common with actual real witches i say as someone who is an actual witch, they made witches humans yet dont bother to make them anything like real witches and it bugs me alot Abbey was always from the Himalayas since g1, she just had a russian accent
Given that it's a fantasy show for kids, I don't expect their idea of witches to be realistic. Fantasy is mainly meant to play around with ideas to make them interesting. How close is "The Owl House" to actual witchcraft (genuine question)?
@@ThePrincessCH Okay but didn't disney stick to their folklore in their princess movies, so I don't see a difference here, plus it would help kids learn about different folklores
@@Neo-Queenserenityt2l Disney mainly started out as an entertainment company, while Mattel is widely known as a toy company. I think Mattel just did what they thought would sell more toys, instead of focusing on the folklore aspect.
as someone who has a cat that earned the name Gluttoni (pronounced gluttony and not glue-toni despite nearly every vet tech's first try), maybe the seven deadly sin names started out as a joke that fit some of the snakes and then just ended up sticking. for fun, my friends and I decided that if Gluttoni=gluttony then my chihuahua is greed because he never gets enough pets (I thought he was touch starved when I found him, but no, he's just like That™), my lab was platonic lust because she was the biggest lover ever, my service dog is pride, my friends' one cat was wraith and she earned her respect and their other cat is sloth, and my parents' pitbull is envy because she can not stand if you are petting another dog when you could be petting her. none of us are christain and we only remember what the seven sins are from fma
The only thing I can really get about Hades's portrayal here is that the Greek gods did have reallyyyy messed up parents. It makes sense if he wasn't the best. But also being accurate to the mythology is way better. He seems to be doing better in newer episodes though. Also in earlier episodes, it was pointed out that Heath's dad was the devil, so I'm not sure what went on there.
I don’t like how you frame “this child’s show is just too Cowardly to depict lucifer. The writers are so stupid for this!”…When it probably doesn’t have anything to do with the writers? Idk, I can’t speak for any behind the scenes knowledge, but if they started off making literal devil jokes and then it changed later, it’s probably the executives that axed actually making him Lucifer. I mean the network was probably getting a ton of hate anyways for showing gay people, don’t think adding Satan in would have helped things. Probably would’ve gotten them cancelled tbh. Would rather we keep the gay rep and make his dad Hades than fight tooth and nail for making a side character’s dad Lucifer, lol.
The plain was always to have hades be heaths dad, even before the show came out It was the first thing we learned about heath that his now the son of hades-he was never meant to be lucifier , it was just a bunch of americans assuming hades is the same as lucifer just cause their both underworld ruler
@@Man-wolf- They make explicit references to The Devil as being Heath's dad in the show (as shown in the video), so it's not Americans assuming anything, it's what the show foreshadowed.
@@monsterenergypunk ehh not really lol I rewatched it the web series recently and it still holds up today even better than some other shows at that time period
why does every other animal monster have a freaking TAIL but Clawdeen does NOT''. this pisses me off so much cause even in the monster high (live action movie) Toralei has a tail and shes a were cat, so why dont were wolves also have tails!!! i need answers OMG🤯☠☠
@@Markus2E5I6 maybe in more *recent generations* , but OG clawdeen was a simply werewolf so that dosent fully explain OG clawdeen not having a tail, if shes half human in the newer series. if both clawdeen and toralei are were creatures, then i dont see why werewolves dont have tails but were cats do.
I propose that Duce is being ironic! He's always had a mowhawk growth pattern and until gen 3 he was chill, sarcastic, around with Cleo (who's obsessed with hiercrchy and being at the top of the pyramid) but a nice guy who was a team player. Kinda gave a punk "i'm going to do my own thing and be nice regardless of society" vibes and aloof with always with kind intentions especially in Gen1 when Frankie had a crush on him for being so welcoming. Just an idea, I love this vid :)
I think you missed the most obvious answer to why Deus' snakes are named after the 7 deadly sins: He's a teenage boy and thought it would be funny/edgy to name his Greek mythology parts after a Christian concept.
Tbh, I did not like how they changed Heath's own specie. He is supposed to be a Fire Element, but instead, they had pulled it out from a Disney character or a mythical creature that we already know. They could've had done brand new characters that are different types of mythical creatures instead of focusing on the same one.
Okay so years ago there was an episode of Darkwing DUck that had the devil in it. People freaked out about then, they still freak out about it now. {i thought the episode was fine.} After that they no longer showed the showed the episode. I bring this up because I can see Nickelodeon not wanting to court that kind of reaction, and thus changing who Heath's father was. Also we need to remember that this show is aimed at 10 year olds and delving into the nature of good and evil is a pretty heavy topic for that age group. Monster HIgh probably freaks out a lot of parents.and Nick probably doesn't want to freak them out more.
I feel like if I were to give any of them glasses, it would be the one who is thpically in water. Lagoona Blue (or Lagoona Fuschia) would make the most sense to need glasses, in my opinion. Her, or Frankie, depending on whether or not they still get their eyes and head from that scientist lady referred to in Skull Shores
Im going to just choose to believe Heath’s dad is just named Hades and runs a Company call Underworld Corp. because they keep calling him a CEO and got a god.
In my own stories I made it where Dracula was not a vampire, but a dragon, because that's what his name literally means. I also made it where Dracula was involved in the Later Crusades and subsequently turned against the Church for using him to further their selfish ends. In retaliation, they sent a monster hunter named Trevor after him, but the two instead became lovers.
Now that you mention Dracula with braces...it reminded me that in the recent episodes we could see Draculaura and Heath as children wearing modern clothes, In a modern building (?) As if they were in the 21 century wich doesn't make sense at all bc they are 1600 unless...monster high is set in the year 3k but the tech and clothes for such futuristic setting seems very dated...idk
I literally talked to my partner about this yesterday and was so incredibly confused and annoyed at what they did with Heath. I’m so happy you called that elephant in the room out so quick in the video
Our boy Bram was inspired by a the famous myth from Derry in the North of Ireland about a little person who was said to be undead, drank blood, they buried him many times and he only stoped coming back when they put a crucifix on the pile of earth. People called him 'Droc Fola' blood drinker.. Pronouncing it sounds a looot like Dracula 😂 Vlad totally was an inspo but like leaving out that legend was easier because people didn't consider the nation where he wrote the story and where he was from of being of influence.
Riordanverse fan here, and in a lot of stories where folklore and religion are all equally true you can belong in one world without necessarily having that world's gods be your personal religion. I spoke biologically speaking he could be a Greek Christian hybrid child I mean do we know who his dad is? I haven't watched the show so I have no idea but based on what you said since you already decided this isn't that Medusa she could be a Medusa who is more Christian
(Im commenting live so i apologize for the amount of comments 😭) I once talked to an Asian person once whom had an issue w drac being Taiwanese Chinese due to her age, they argued that since shes thousands of years old she would have been born before colonial times meaning she should have been Indigenous instead & speaking in Indigenous languages not mandarin (Im not Asian or Indigenous myself but i just think thats an interesting point abt her) I honestly think them not having the mh characters be children of universal monsters anymore fucked them up alot-since they were based around universal films not novals explining alot of draculauras quirks Edit: i also think g3 frankie being 15 days old doesnt make sense-they & clawdeen joined monster high at the same time yet frankie knows everything there is about the school while clawdeen knows nothing?? It makes no sense
Yeah, that's a very fair point about the Taiwanese thing. I throw that on the pile of "things that don't make sense bc the MH writers decided throwing a '00' at the end of a number was a good way to age their vampires and then didn't consider the wider implications". Both of Draculaura's parents are supposedly older than their given countries/regions of origin. I do think Frankie's knowledge about some things is perfectly explainable, though. They have parents who taught them about Monster High as well as leftover memories and instincts from all the pieces that went into making them. Meanwhile Clawdeen came into this world from a complete outsider's perspective.
@@Oakwyrmin g1 they did expline that she was adopted by dracula-her dad was friends with dracula & after her parents died dracula turned draculaura into a vampire to save her & adopted her as his own In g3 however she was born a vampire & has both parents which just makes things more confusing and takes away a really interesting aspect of her Thats a fair point about frankie but it still bugs me-i just dont get why would they have both frankie & clawdeen be the new students when they werent gonna do anything w that in regards to frankie, in g1 it worked cus she was the only new girl n also the main character
@@Man-wolf-tbf her being born a vampire seems to be a carryover from G2. A lot of things here kind of feel like they were from G2 and they wanted to reuse them because they liked the concepts, but sloppily combined them with the new ideas of G3, creating this frankensteined(pun intended) gen.
I have two possible theories. One for why "mummy magic/curses" are fine while "witch magic/curses" are forbidden and one for the whole "why is there still alpha-is-top-dog-everyone-must-submit in the were community?" bit. The reason "mummy magic/curses" are fine is because they're linked to a specific type of monster heritage (not sure what this would mean for hybrids between mummies and non-mummies but that's not the theory being thrown out) and are thus "under control". Witchcraft on the other hand can be learned by basically anyone with the knack and willingness to study, so it's seen as "wild and out of control and therefore dangerous". It's probably similar to why yetis got banned for the potential of their ice powers going haywire while people like Heath got a free pass despite their fire powers being equally potentially destructive. And the "alpha-is-top-dog" could be a "stop appealing to tradition when tradition is toxic" plot-line where some weres in the past decided that the alpha SHOULD be the top were who everyone else in the community must be subservient to and found some way to make it stay that way; changing attitudes will, with this theory, lead into this aspect of the culture being recognized as toxic and a movement to make the community more egalitarian and fair for all involved. Possibly paralleling how toxic views about how your gender is supposed to inform how you behave and your role in society have been challenged because the toxicity got recognized as such.
To be fair, the first wereruler overthrew the werewolves, so it would not really makes sense for the thing to be based on lupine social structure. Pretty sure she was a werecat, and lions do work that way. Also, cannot really assume every gorgon names their snake after the sons.
Popular Culture in general got Medusa wrong because her head was bound to Athena and Zeus's armor sets, or it was attached to Athena's shield. The only exception in pop culture is Saint Seiya, wherein Medusa's head is part of the shield of the Perseus saints.
One nitpick of mine is how Draculaura treats witchcraft in the show and in the movies. She just learned magic cause it's something she started to like and is interested in. She's always struggling about needing to do it in secret because it is forbidden in the monster world and it's her main plotline. But the thing is she only does it for fun, and having it as a thing that's always been part of her is kinda meh. It'd be better if some monsters were already born with magic and the ability to do witchcraft, so this way they wouldn't have choice as to be or not be a witch/wizard, and would have to deal with the prejudice by other monsters. In my opinion this would make the conflict much more relatable and logical.
I'd love to hear your thoughts on other inaccurate mythology choices in movies/animated shows! 😀 Mythology is one of my biggest special interests, and it always annoys me so much when people get stuff wrong. Or worse, get stuff wrong and then try to justify it with 'these are the true myths!' 🙄It's like toddlers going 'my toy is better than your toy!'
While I DO agree the look for Hades in this show is rather...meh. Heath being his son makes a bit of sense, considering that Hades is "canonically married" to Persephone. I also agree that the ages of immortal beings can be somewhat confusing in both ancient and modern mythologies. For example; in the Hotel Transylvania movies, it's established that Drac and his pals have been present since the late 1800. But for cases like Frankenstein, HIS origin would make more sense to be in 1816 (since that's when Mary Shelly wrote her novel.) Also, what kind of Mummy name is Murray...it's not even Egyptian. Not like those belonging to the De Nile Family in Monster High. As for the show's version of Count Dracula...this may sound surprising but it turns out that Dracula is a surname. Therefore, while the Dracula in Monster High may not be the OG Vlad we know of; it's my headcanon that believes there are multiple Counts within the Dracula Family (each one behaving differently than your typical vampire)
Honestly, as a Greek mythology nerd and a Christian, I understand why they didn't want to make the Devil himself a character, but also Hades and the Devil are inherently two different religions that don't match up like that. (Side note: Literally the Romans hated the Jews for not adapting to their "we worship all God motif" and I feel like the Devil=Hades thing would have happened in the year 0 but I digress) But they could have made it so Hades was an adoptive father, still keeping them as distinct characters and not depicting the Devil. I feel like it would also flesh out the anger issues or what ever Heath's trauma is. I haven't seen the show.
they never actually changed Abbey's nationality she was always from the Himalayan mountains they just gave her Russian coding cause Russia is cold...Abbey is from cold place. She never even says she’s from Russia, she just has a russian accent and her relatives have Russian sounding names, It was weird. I would like to see some slavic characters in the future but i feel like this was a good change from the original even if g1, Abbey is my favourite and g3 Abbey is alright as a character.
I feel like a lot of this is something we can write off as "it was intended for kids" tbh. I know things don't make sense but from a very vague and uneducated standpoint, it works well enough within the universe. If it helps, we can also say that these issues aren't issues and line up perfectly within universe though. I specifically wanna focus on the "Heath's dad" thing tbh, this is a childrens show at the end of the day. There is absolutely no way they could address something as controversial as the christian devil, especially when they are already getting negative feedback from extremely conservative christians against the doll line in general because it's "evil". It's not just the FB moms that already have issues that would flame the series at that point. You cannot look outside at the current political climate and NOT understand that it would be immediate cause for cancelation if they put the christian devil into their show, especially as a somewhat likable character. You also can't just call him Lucifer, that name is absolutely synonymous with the christian devil. I have no idea how Cinderella passed off naming the cat that but it would never fly in 2024. I wanna be extremely clear too, I am not speaking on my personal beliefs, I am just speaking on the way the world is and realistic scenarios. At the end of the day, this series is intended for children and it has to get past the western censors accordingly. Don't get me wrong, I am still optimistic that it can continue to push the boundaries of society but what I want is a gay male character who gets to have a boyfriend and be happy(we get gay female characters in several series but we do rarely see gay male characters in such media. MH is doing so amazing with representation though and it would mean a lot to me). Either way I am loving the line of dolls they're putting out and I don't want them to do anything that would jeopardize the continuation of the line. I can head-canon anything I want at the end of the day but I NEED them to release Spectra and hopefully Skelita one day down the line.
I mean technically speaking Bram Stoker just took the name. Because it colloquially means devil. also the name originates due to vlad's father being part of the order of the Dragon. So there are people unrelated to Vlad who has the title dracul however the order was founded in 1408 so still way after Draculaura is supposedly born.
My theory regarding Deuce's snakes is that he's mix-race Gorgon and Serpent, as in the temptation snake from the Bible. If the mixing goes back enough generations (more than 2), he could look fully Gorgon, but have genetic attributes relating to his Serpent ancestry. Seeing as the show regularly references Christianity, I don't think it's too far out Another theory (that I fine more boring) is that the show takes the stance that several human belief systems are different interpretations of the same monster species
What if! What if Draculaura and Vlad aren't blood related? 😳And 900 years old teen Draculaura stumbled upon middle aged just turned Vlad and adopted him as her father? I'm just joking of course, i haven't even seen the show yet. But that would be f-ed up
The timeline inconsistencies only really factor in if we assume that the Monster High timeline and world are exactly the same as our own and not just worlds with similarities on a different sliding timeline. We might as well give the show the benefit of the doubt and assume they aren’t exactly the same. You have plenty of good points, but we don’t have to assume the show uses our timeline and not similar events on a different one. Your points about Hades, tho, are top notch. People need to stop conflating Hades with the Devil.
I think the devil is underutilized in western cartoons. Like I'm from the czech republic and some of our most famous fairytales both in film and just regular stories ( Fimfárum and tons of other stuff from Werich, Anděl páně, s čerty nejsou žerty and others i can't remember now ), include hell and the devil as characters, sometimes even sympathetic ones or more morally gray and nobody cares. They're usually the most fun part of their stories too tbh, there's a lot of stuff you can do with them both aesthetically and plot wise I don't get why people seem to be so sensitive about them in other countries, maybe it's because czechia is known for it's atheism and so a lot of religious fears don't make much sense to me but it seems rather silly
Well MH has already done it well, in G1 Cleo and Nefera were locked in the pyramid so they don't know much about the current world or living with other monsters and in G2 Draculaura was also locked up for a long time. So something like that would be nice
I do question opperata being an Elvis fangirl from the south, and not a more reference to the source material besides the mask covering her physical deformity. I don't mind het 50's aesthetic but I do wish she was more phantom of the opera, with her 50's theming she could reference Phantom of the Paradise film which had a 50's band called the juicey fruits. I do like the fact she's a transfer student to new Orleans from France.
She was always meant to be a rebaillious girl-she does things her own way rather then her dad She was never meant to be based on the book but rather the universal verison of the story
The age thing always bothered me since G1, especially for the vampires and Draculaura being 1600yo for us to understand that she's actually 16. And same for other works of fiction. I've never seen teen vampires say they're 46 yo.
Can you do a video about the live action show one piece. Specifically there is a character who has been sick for years, has to take medicine often. Basically a pretty good representation of chronic illness. Until it is revealed that she was being poisoned the whole time. My question is this “curing a disability”? Is this still representative? Is it falling into harmful stereotypes? Personally I related a lot to the character until the reveal. I was disappointed after.
Weaving myth and history together is something I struggle with in my own writing. For me I have multiple types of vampires that require different stuff to survive. My core faction, The Red Blooded Vampires, can drink cow blood to survive, though human blood gives them more power. I also different kinds of werewolves, but the main kind are Beast Hunters that turn at will. Wizards are wizards. Demons are demons. Fairies are fairies. Also, mutants are there. Just straight up mutants with mutant powers. Right next to the space aliens. Now, dear fellow viewer, surely you ask: How do you manage all that nonsense? Answer: Tedious research.
Monster High’s mythology basically operates on “if it’s cool and a fun plot point, use it” lol. That being said Heath was 1000% supposed to be a demon until someone higher up got Andy, you can’t change my mind.
That’s why EAH is way better because they actually get their mythology right well most of the time but monster high is pretty much a travesty because of it’s cool we just put it in there no that’s not how proper storytelling works storytelling has to have a structure etc
I want to see Bram Stoker as a bitter ex to Dracula, now. Give us the queer drama, Monster High! Also, this was probably recorded before the episode released, but Fang Wei does appear in season 2. I have not seen the episode yet, so I don't know much about her, but if you have, I'd love to hear your thoughts on her.
12:00 Probably because in some versions of the tale a snake is what got the first women to eat from the tree of good and evil, And in others the devil took the firm of a snake Because of that snakes have always been associated with the 7 deadly sins, that's probably all there is too it
It always bothers me when people decide that Dracula was based off Vlad. Stoker had him actively hating the Wallachians and fighting against them in his backstory. He's not Vlad or any other member of that family.
Season two makes the timeline even worse. There’s an episode in which Draculaura and Heath are children but their clothing, toys, and the hotel they’re in are modern.
I know this doesn’t have to do with the video but hear me out, I would really like you to do a video on the book series Warrior Cats, and yes I know you may not wanna read an insane amount of books, but there’s plenty of videos on you TH-cam explaining the stories of the characters and the lore that you could watch! I would really love to see your take on one of my favorite characters, Briarlight, who’s spine was broken when she was still quite young, leaving her unable to walk and so she couldn’t hunt or fight for her clan(the series is about 4 groups called clans of stray cats). I love the story of her trying to find her place among her clan mates and I think you would too! Some other disabled cats in the series that you might wanna look into are Jayfeather, Cinderpelt and Brightheart. I know this comment will probably get ignored but if you do read this Oakwyrm, then please make this a video! Also, I might copy and paste this on other videos because I really want people to see this comment! Also sorry for this being so long ;-;
“Who was Bram Stoker to Dracula? A bitter ex?” lmfao
I mean, it would make sense, no?
Wasn’t Stoker gay, by the way?
@@johnvinals7423 Yes, he was.
@@johnvinals7423of course he was! Have you read the og novel???
I see it
I'm going to integrate Bram Stoker being Dracula's bitter ex who wrote his book to slander him into my world view and no one can stop me.
I like the idea that Deuce named his snakes after the seven deadly sins cuz at some point he thought it was cool and edgy and he just never changed it
I think its partly because he's got 7 snakes that are all maladjusted in thematically appropriate ways. Though your probably very right about the names. That said, it is funny to assume that when he was little he called them things that made sense to a small child: like calling Wrath, Angry or Gluttony, Hungry or that Greed dropped a Y at some point, and that Pride might have been Bossy or something at some point XD
In Cleo's case, at least in Gen 1, she was asleep and not aging, so now that she's awake she should age like normal.
In g3 she was born a mummy and never put to sleep. It's debatable whether or not she's as old as her g1 counterpart though, her age has never been stated in g3
@@jackmartin4657 interesting
Heath’s parents in G1: fire elementals somehow related to Doctor Jekyll (he and Jackson/Holt are cousins)
Heath’s parents in G3: HEYYYYY HEATH IT’S ME DA DEVIL
Where is G2?
I think since Holt was half-fire elemental it was kind of implied that a relative married into the Jekyl/Hyde family (I do like the fanworks that make it his dad's side & they passed down their moms' names anyway)
@@leebulger7112 Was he even in Gen 2? (to the best of my knowledge G2 kind of ended before it even really got started?)
@@keigoftw I don't know for sure because I mostly watched the Monster High movies so I'm just curious.
@@keigoftw No. Heath wasn't in G2, instead being swapped out for a similar character named Raythe
Bram Stoker being a bitter ex who decided to make a whole book to slander Dracula is too funny to me and I love it.
I honestly would have expected that from the shade-throwing gay that was Bram, the Stoker of Drama.
That's now my headcanon and I'm oh so tempted to make fanart lol
My explanation for why werewolves still follow the "Alpha" concept:
Part of what made the original study flawed was that it was watching wolves in captivity. The emotional strain and the breaking of the usual family dynamic drove them to force order through violence.
Now take an honest look at society. You work for people who undervalue your labor, and then an authority you know is incompetent takes as much as they like of your money to do with as it pleases. You have to wear clothes, and say all the right things at the right time, and be judged on every little choice you make. You can find yourself isolated without the benefit of any actual breathing room.
Werewolves are beasts in cages where the bars are made of taxes, underwear, pleases, and thank-yous. Of course they've got a warped heirarchy.
But the first wereruler was seemingly a werecat that *overthrew* the werewolves, so why would it have been lupine based?
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One of my guilty pleasures is an urban fantasy novel series with werewolves as some of the main characters, so I'm just carrying over an old theory to this. But considering Lions will go on a little infanticidal spree whenever they take over a pride, maybe they used that fact as leverage to get people to accept the relatively less harsh Alpha model.
This,
They are part human and part wild animal and what do you get when you give a human society pressure to someone with a more animalistic instincts you were going to get this!
The alpha wolf society come from The human side of things not the wolf's side of things
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Or the werecat first wereruler emulated the basic idea of how lions do things.
See i get what you mean but your forgetting what the research cited as “packs” were simply families, they still wont “fight to be an alpha” as their families would be the “packs”
It also wont make sense they woukd fight w other species over who would be the ruler like cats & mice
Honestly, Hades as a greedy CEO is actually a valid interpretation. Hades wasn't just the god of the Underworld, he was the god of wealth because of all the riches beneath the ground. He was often called "the rich one", which is where his Roman name (well, semi Roman, the Greeks were using it as an epithet before that) Pluto came from. As a god of mining, money, and misery, a CEO who devastates the environment trying to dig things up actually makes sense.
thinking about it from this perspective actually changed my opinion on him a bit. i can definitely see this version of him
yeah if you watch overly sarcastics video on hades and Persephone they tell the origins of the underworld myths and perse was the queen of the underworld before Hades came along, so technically hades is the god of wealth and Persephone is the god of the underworld.
Didn't Hades only become a God of wealth after he got mashed up with a Roman God of wealth? OSP did mention several times that the Roman synchronized God all of the time.
@@frankielovejoy9928 Sort of. He was often conflated with another Greek god, the Eleusinian god of wealth Ploutos, but the Greeks had been using it as an epithet for him since the 5th century BC at least, and several Classical Greek writers (Plato being the most popular) referred to him as Pluton. The evidence suggests they were two separate gods that were often syncretized due to the similar epithet, but it was long before Rome entered the picture.
Also, the CEO depiction of Hades in the show could've been inspired by Hades from the musical Hadestown.
Although I love the fact that G3 gave Abby a Nepali accent as well as making her significantly taller than other characters, I really wish that they gave her and her mother more fur on their bodies to be more closer to actual mythological yetis. Because I feel like doing that would also normalize body hair on women, and even the fact that there are women out there that actually grow facial hair
Abbey does have fur on her body! Its not shown in the cartoon(and i have no idea why cus they have no issue giving clawdeen hair texture on her eyebrows) but on her dolls she has fur on her hands & legs which is meant to show shes covered in fur
@@Man-wolf- oh nice! I’m not really familiar with the current dolls plus theirs huge inconsistencies between the cartoon, movies, artwork, and dolls
@@trashotakui hate the inconsistencies but ngl their designs r honestly much better then the shows & abbey included, like i mentioned she actually has fur there
Honestly, I'm just happy the show and doll line gave Abbey (and her mother) larger body types in general. Sure, the doll looks a lot different from the show, but it's not often we get a character like Abbey who is on the heavier side. So I'm not asking for everything (like fur) in one go.
Need I remind you sir that Abbey dwarfed the other girls even in G1 and she had an ambiguous accent in G1 and she was strong enough to lift and throw Manny Taur like a ragdoll with only one hand easily
The lore feels exactly like the mess of contradictions and plot holes I'd expect from a show that tries to shove multiple different monsters from vastly different cultures and religions under one roof. Things are going to fall through the cracks. So it feels like the writers decided to ignore that entirely and just did whatever they wanted.
Monster high was meant to purly be based off universal monsters-they were supposed to be the children of famous universal monsters(lagoona used to be named lagoona black & be green before she was changed cus frankie was already green)
Thus their lore was based on universal’s depictions not the folklore or novals-i think now that their no longer associated w universal the world building fall apart
@@Man-wolf- Exactly. This is what happens when you try to have your cake and eat it too. The writers of Gen 3 seem to have wanted to expand on the various species of monsters and make them more distinct, but failed to fully think through the implications.
Now, I'm not saying it's necessarily a bad thing. Most casual viewers are probably not going to take the time to analyze this stuff, but it is an added layer of distraction when you have even a baseline idea of what they're talking about.
@@frankielovejoy9928mousecedes is the biggest example-they try to specificy her species when it just makes her creepier then before
Shes the daughter of the rat king which is a folklore based on a phenomenon where rats tails get stucked toghter , the folklore states that said rats r under the control of their ruler “the rat king” which is just a big creepy rat
Making mousecedes a weremouse instead of just a random rat just makes it creepier(to me personally)
i do think its bad in certien ways
Like with cleo-its giving the audience the impression that mummies have infact had all their organs taken out when no it was only four, it wasnt as massive as the show makes it out to be
Same with hades-people already dont know all that much about ancient greek religion , having hades be essaintly just satan in a different font is gonna make your fans believe thats how hades is sctually like in greek mythology when he wasnt-he didnt even have anything to do w fire that came from disneys verison of him
Granted i also think their trying so hard to show how “edgy” they are without actually taking risks & delving into darker subjects like g1 did(alot of the characters origins are really really dark then what youd expect)
@Man-wolf- Gonna be honest, nothing about the show, at least from what I've seen, feels edgy. Like, it doesn't even feel like the writers are trying to be edgy. In fact, the show feels more child-like than the movies that aired on Nickelodeon years ago.
Obviously, lore is not the most important element, it just feels more like the writers were having fun cramming as much lore into the show as possible as easter eggs without actually stopping to think about it.
@@Man-wolf-what baffles me is how much more concise G1's lore/characterization was despite them being under the eyes of both Mattel AND universal. Even when they introduced non-universal monsters they didn't feel jarring. They have a lot more free reign post-universal and Mattel seems to have laxed a bit as well with their IPs and how they're depicted. Yet G3 feels so behind in so many facets. Even the fashion being so mainstreamed has removed so much personality from the characters, and they feel so samey.
I always felt EAH would've benefitted from being with a company that would've allowed them to focus on the royal vs rebel dynamics and not just abandon it and say "nvm, everyone can make their choice and it won't affect the other faction's story somehow", but after MH G3, I'm REALLY hoping they don't touch EAH unless they're willing to let it's more dark story actually happen.
I love the trope of werewolf lore drawing more upon actual wolves than on bad stereotypes about wolves from past times and I wish writers who deal with vampires would, you know, draw more on the actual behaviour and lifestyle and habits of actual vampire bats.
I get why they dont tbh-vampires are closer to zombies then they are to vampire bats , they were even treated the same way as zombies before twilight came out
Not to mention Dracula could transform into both a bat & a wolf , modern media just focus on the bat part
W werewolves it makes sense since they are litrealy half wolf but vampires are just undead creatures
Absolutely - there's a lot of missed potential there. Real vampire bats are amazing! They're a commonly-used example of animal altruism (colonies will regurgitate food to feed visiting strangers), they recognize their infants' calls (like most bats), and their kidneys are so efficient that they can triple their weight with a blood meal but still lose enough urine quickly enough to fly away safely.
Cannibal vampires would be absolutely terrifying.
What you want all the women to lick your blood off your skin and then lick each other's mouths
Ive always loved the idea of fruit bat vampires
Why couldn't Heath be an Arabic Ifriti or "fire genie" even in the oldest folklore Ifriti were known to marry human women plus there just aren't a lot of good middle eastern characters in media anymore
People are terrified of actually depicting minorites because of how many fake activists on social media complain about every depiction ever even when minorities thought the character was fine.
You may want to give AC Mirage a try. Takes place in the past in ancient Baghdad, but still good. Even has a Arabic dub.
My guess with hades is that the creators really wanted him to be the christian devil but got pushback after they had already written and voiced the scripts, so they just replaced all the mentions of the name lucifer with hades.
Hades was always meant to be heaths dad in g3, they annouced him as his dad before the cartoon aired
I think it was a blink and you miss it detail in the comic book Drac used to explain why Magic was banned to Mr Wolf. Baba Jaga WAS that teacher who started to hurt students, leading to Human and Monster Segregation.
In regards to using the actual devil in a kids' show, I feel like it's more of a legal censorship issue.
My assumption was always that 1000 years of age for immortal beings equals the same in human years. So like 15000 years is 15 years old for them developmently. But you do bring up a good point about how long they are supposed to go to school for
I feel like some immortals probably go to school every year in the same grade til they hit the next age in human years, some just go til they like get all A’s every quarter maybe, and some probably just go one year for every grade, whether they do them consecutively each school year or wait til they hit the next age in human years. I feel like draculaura would probably decide to go up a grade every school year to stay in touch with her friends more
That means Clawd and Draculaura's relationship is gonna be weird in some years bc she is still gonna be a teen and him a grown man one day...at least in G1 they said that werewolves age slowly kinda like vampires (every 100 years) but in this gen they seem to age like regular humans
Here's the thing, though: Draculaura starts out as 1500, but ages 100 in the span of a single school year, turning 1600 while her friends are all supposedly 16. So, the idea of her staying in school for hundreds of years isn't actually plausible. It implies that she hasn't actually been around for 1,600 years, and possibly ages QUICKER than her peers.
The worst part is that they don't even care to keep it consistent for flashbacks. Heath and Drac knew each other as kids which makes sense since they're both 100s of years old, but draculaura also knew Twyla in elementary school?? Even though twyla is only 15
damn the draculaura thing rlly got me 🥲 it sucks that some inconsistencies are this rampant even though the characters themselves are fun
love hearing you talk about mythology!
I remember somewhere in the Gen 1, maybe the diary that came with the doll, that her dad was the original and the other Dracula used his name as an usurper.
I mean… the ages aren’t g3 specific when it comes to drac, she’s always been 1600
@@Bxredewil yeah, i understand the age, i moreso mean how it affects what the show established ^^
@@Bezaliel13yeah this is it. iirc her dad was a fake Dracula or something similar in Greece I think, and he fell in love with her mother(Draculaura's biological father was a soldier who worked for Dracula and died). But both her and her mother got some sickness, resulting in her mother dying, and Dracula turned Draculaura into a vampire so she wouldn't die from it. It's been a while since I read the diaries so I can't remember.
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Should just assume that the younger "Dracula" was an im[poster.
This made me think of that one scene in the Perfect Vampire episode where Draculaura whips out a video of her dancing 200 years ago. So I guess, yeah, she has been in high school that long. But girlie, WHERE DID THE SMARTPHONE COME FROM?!?
This is honestly the most in-depth I've gotten in to MH g3 lore, so the idea of Heath being a divorce child with Christian Lucifer as a stepdad that he vibes with more than his biological father sounds like a fun idea.
These types of videos are so nice to listen to since my brain wants to analyze stuff like this but I never have the motivation to so someone making a video about it makes me really happy :)
I’m fully convinced that the only reason Monster High’s “Hades” is a fire elemental and somewhat villainous is that Mattel based him off of Disney’s Hades. I definitely find the decision to make Heath the son of a god a bit weird but if I was the one in charge of this, I would’ve done one of two things. The first is make heat the son of one of the two ACTUAL gods of fire in Greek mythology, Hestia goddess of the home in hearth or a Festus, god of fire, blacksmiths, metallurgy, etc. The second option, which I personally prefer, is instead of making him the son of a Greek god, make this the son of a Norse god, specifically Loki. Although Loki is most well-known as being the Norse god of mischief, he’s also the Norse god of fire, because he is a fire jötunn (even though he was depicted as a frost jötunn in Marvel, which probably results in more people thinking that actual Loki is a frost jötunn). It would also give a good reason why both Heath and his dad are fire elementals will also be gods. Plus, I feel like being the son of the god of mischief would also kind of explain why Heath’s always getting into trouble intentionally or not. Also also, if Heath’s dad was Loki, his mom HAS to be Angrboða
Loki's connection to fire in mythology is... loose at best. The only real evidence for it is that his name sounds similar to logi, the Norse word for wildfire, which has mostly been agreed to be a coincidence, especially because Logi is an actual distinct mythological figure who has an eating contest with Loki at one point. Also 'mischief' is more a personality trait than it is a godly domain, we don't actually know what Loki was the god of (best guess is a hearth deity/protector of children). Which honestly is what I think he would want
Honestly i wont even involve gods-their yknow gods not monsters
Im Brazilian myself & i remeber when we found out hades is heaths dad some fans suggested having heath be the son of Curupira instead & i honestly think it would have been FARR better! Not only is he an actual fire elemental unlike hades but would also provide great representation for Brazilian latine people, specificly Indigenous ones
@@Man-wolf- I’m not Brazilian but I agree with you! I find the creatures of Brazilian mythology to be so fascinating and I even have monster high ocs based on many of those creatures
@@trashotakui rlly wish we got more representation for them, espically in monster high
All we have been getting from monster high recently are just random werecreatures n its getting boring-g1 gave us alot of rlly interesting monsters like a faceless ghost & a rat king and i really wish g3 would give us more of that
I also would just like to have a latine characters that *doesnt* speak spanish cus it feels like thats all media is willing to represent
@@Man-wolf- Agreed, there are SOOOOOOOO many other kinds of monsters that aren't just werecreature or generic zombie and/or fish monster
Maybe Heath has 2 dads? Christianization did come to Greece as you said, so maybe the two have known each other for a really long time? Idk, just a theory.
asdfgh yeah me and my friend tossed around that idea, too
@@Oakwyrmthen why didn't you bring that idea up cuz that would have been super fun
That would make the pantheons an increasingly complicated polycule provided Persephone and Hades are still together
Lmfao bro as if all the gods didn’t constantly cheat on each other
@@wwandmitski that is true of pretty much all of them with the notable exception of Hades
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My partners theory for why Cleo has "all" her organs jarred is to make room for her Beetle Babies 🥰
I thought about this too.
I could listen to you rant about Mythology all day. The way you present it and tall about media’s relationship with the original material si so fascinating.
I want to redesign Heath and Hades' designs so badly! Especially Hades to add more Underworld elements to him like his Helm of Darkness or maybe a reference to Cerbus on him
I think heath's dad being both the devil and hades makes sense with g3's lore. Monsters existed before our myths, and different cultures came up with different interpretations of what they saw, like with Vampires and Jiangshi. With that, I would believe that the devil is just the christians of the g3 universe interpreting Hades in a way that makes sense to them
Also for the whole thing of Draculaura being older than Vlad, I choose to believe the g1 collector drac's diary explanation unless it's directly contradicted
one thing about modern portrayals of Hades that annoys me is that they treat Hades as if he’s the big bad of the myths, they compare him to lucifer and demons. in his actual greek myths he’s always just a chill guy who loves his wife.
yes he has done like 1 or 2 things we would see as bad, like kidnapping his wife, but holy shit, it’s nothing compared to the other greek gods
edit: i can see how in the first paragraph i worded it a tad weird i guess, i dont think he’s all good and chill by today’s standards at all, but in the historical context of ancient greek he, probably quite different
If anything-zeus is the big bad
But cant have the guy we compare to the christain god be the big bad now can we (sarcasim)
@@Man-wolf- Exactly!
I'm sorry cab we not do this whole "Hades was actually a good guy". Have you never heard of the Hymn of Demeter. All the Greek God's suck, just because he sucks less doesn't mean he wasn't horrible. I'd recommend watching videos on the Hymn of Demeter because of the fact that Persephone was glad to see her mother back. 👍
Like he worked with Zeus to kidnap persephone, forced her to be with him. Lore Olympus helped with the fact that "hades is just a misunderstood man".. he still sucks 😭
@@HanleyBrook-pz9iw i actually get most of my information on Hades from the Hymn of Demeter. from my interpretation, hades wasn’t a bad guy, ik your interpretation is different, but he’s not intentionally portrayed to be fully good or bad, im more pissed media makes him a full satan figure.
i’d recommend watching “overly sarcastic productions ” video about Persephone and Hades
I really hate how so christain based the greek characters in mh are-not only do we have the mess that is heath but like you mentioned deuce’s snakes are named after the seven deadily sins
Its the same thing as vivziepop stating her verison of hell includes all religions - it feels like both mattel & vivzie just picked & choose whatever sounded cool & edgy and slapped it onto the characters not considering if it even makes sense
The same goes for cleo & her orgeons, they just knew mummies have their organs taken Out and that was the end of their research - they didnt bother to research more
The Hazbin stuff is especially annoying because imagine if Charlie was on speaking terms with Osiris and Odin and Quetzalcoatl and Izanami and Hades and all the other cool and awesome Underworld gods!
And how can you create a premise like “Hazbin Hotel” and NOT have Charlie interact with and even try to redeem some of history’s worst bad guys?
Cartoon writers: remove folk lore and gruesome details
Fans: you just made jt worse
The weird thing about Abby in G1 and G2 is that she IS Himalayan but they gave her a random Russian accent and make her talk about “old country” like… GIRL WHY 🤣 I just pretend she’s roleplaying or something since it makes NO SENSE
i hc she’s autistic for a lot of reasons and this is one of them lol i hc there are some (maybe visiting) people in her village who are russian and she just picked up their accent one day and never went back
The Age thing is weird, now that you mention it. It would make sense to make drakulaura 160 yo since she's a vampire and they have a rather fluid relationship with age. if i remember correctly Stokers Dracula started as an ancient looking guy and got younger by drinking blood. so it would make sense that they can regulate their apparent age by the amount of blood they consume or by changing how much energy they absorb in the vegetarian vampire case. my headcanon for the perfect performance issue would be that it's more about those around her in regards of the effect or that her ability to absorb energy is dependent on her state of mind. if she starts doubting herself of if she's not feeling good abount herself she can't absorb the energy as effieciently as usual, the results of which were shown. i personally consider baba yaga to be fae adjacent or some sort of minor divinity.
As someone who lives in Transylvania and had to study Vlad the Impaler in school, you make some pretty good arguments. I hate to say this, but Hotel Transylvania was actually more accurate
Hellsing Ultimate is the most accurate incarnation and it’s an anime
As a practicing witch who finds mythology and folklore fascinating, I too am *very* interested in the details of witchcraft in this world
A big thing I miss is the lore of Gen 1. Gen 2 largely discarded it for their own thing, and while Gen 3 is closer to Gen 1 than Gen 2 was, I do wish it felt more closely connected (ie Clawdeen's family).
Maybe heath has 2 dads being hades and the devil but like probably they thought we couldn’t put the devil in are show who’s target audience is children so but this is a way to look at it but tbh ur probably right saying omg I Persephone is his mum but epic video thx
Also - i still hate that witchcraft is banned
It makes no sense since not only is witchcraft & dracula heavily tied to eachother but witchcraft is often blamed for the existance of alot of monsters like werewolves- draculaura also shares nothing in common with actual real witches i say as someone who is an actual witch, they made witches humans yet dont bother to make them anything like real witches and it bugs me alot
Abbey was always from the Himalayas since g1, she just had a russian accent
Given that it's a fantasy show for kids, I don't expect their idea of witches to be realistic. Fantasy is mainly meant to play around with ideas to make them interesting.
How close is "The Owl House" to actual witchcraft (genuine question)?
@@ThePrincessCH Okay but didn't disney stick to their folklore in their princess movies, so I don't see a difference here, plus it would help kids learn about different folklores
@@Neo-Queenserenityt2l Disney mainly started out as an entertainment company, while Mattel is widely known as a toy company. I think Mattel just did what they thought would sell more toys, instead of focusing on the folklore aspect.
as someone who has a cat that earned the name Gluttoni (pronounced gluttony and not glue-toni despite nearly every vet tech's first try), maybe the seven deadly sin names started out as a joke that fit some of the snakes and then just ended up sticking. for fun, my friends and I decided that if Gluttoni=gluttony then my chihuahua is greed because he never gets enough pets (I thought he was touch starved when I found him, but no, he's just like That™), my lab was platonic lust because she was the biggest lover ever, my service dog is pride, my friends' one cat was wraith and she earned her respect and their other cat is sloth, and my parents' pitbull is envy because she can not stand if you are petting another dog when you could be petting her. none of us are christain and we only remember what the seven sins are from fma
that's so valid(and hilarious) lol
The only thing I can really get about Hades's portrayal here is that the Greek gods did have reallyyyy messed up parents. It makes sense if he wasn't the best. But also being accurate to the mythology is way better. He seems to be doing better in newer episodes though.
Also in earlier episodes, it was pointed out that Heath's dad was the devil, so I'm not sure what went on there.
I don’t like how you frame “this child’s show is just too Cowardly to depict lucifer. The writers are so stupid for this!”…When it probably doesn’t have anything to do with the writers? Idk, I can’t speak for any behind the scenes knowledge, but if they started off making literal devil jokes and then it changed later, it’s probably the executives that axed actually making him Lucifer. I mean the network was probably getting a ton of hate anyways for showing gay people, don’t think adding Satan in would have helped things. Probably would’ve gotten them cancelled tbh. Would rather we keep the gay rep and make his dad Hades than fight tooth and nail for making a side character’s dad Lucifer, lol.
The plain was always to have hades be heaths dad, even before the show came out
It was the first thing we learned about heath that his now the son of hades-he was never meant to be lucifier , it was just a bunch of americans assuming hades is the same as lucifer just cause their both underworld ruler
@@Man-wolf- They make explicit references to The Devil as being Heath's dad in the show (as shown in the video), so it's not Americans assuming anything, it's what the show foreshadowed.
That’s why G1 Monster High is the true monster high
@@randomguy56789 Eh...it aged pretty poorly, imo
@@monsterenergypunk ehh not really lol I rewatched it the web series recently and it still holds up today even better than some other shows at that time period
why does every other animal monster have a freaking TAIL but Clawdeen does NOT''. this pisses me off so much cause even in the monster high (live action movie) Toralei has a tail and shes a were cat, so why dont were wolves also have tails!!! i need answers OMG🤯☠☠
Clawdeen is half human.
@@Markus2E5I6 maybe in more *recent generations* , but OG clawdeen was a simply werewolf so that dosent fully explain OG clawdeen not having a tail, if shes half human in the newer series. if both clawdeen and toralei are were creatures, then i dont see why werewolves dont have tails but were cats do.
What confused me more was why Toralei had a tail on the dolls but not in the movies? I guess animating it was too difficult
I propose that Duce is being ironic! He's always had a mowhawk growth pattern and until gen 3 he was chill, sarcastic, around with Cleo (who's obsessed with hiercrchy and being at the top of the pyramid) but a nice guy who was a team player. Kinda gave a punk "i'm going to do my own thing and be nice regardless of society" vibes and aloof with always with kind intentions especially in Gen1 when Frankie had a crush on him for being so welcoming.
Just an idea, I love this vid :)
I think you missed the most obvious answer to why Deus' snakes are named after the 7 deadly sins: He's a teenage boy and thought it would be funny/edgy to name his Greek mythology parts after a Christian concept.
I never considered doing the math like that
Tbh, I did not like how they changed Heath's own specie. He is supposed to be a Fire Element, but instead, they had pulled it out from a Disney character or a mythical creature that we already know. They could've had done brand new characters that are different types of mythical creatures instead of focusing on the same one.
Okay so years ago there was an episode of Darkwing DUck that had the devil in it. People freaked out about then, they still freak out about it now. {i thought the episode was fine.} After that they no longer showed the showed the episode.
I bring this up because I can see Nickelodeon not wanting to court that kind of reaction, and thus changing who Heath's father was.
Also we need to remember that this show is aimed at 10 year olds and delving into the nature of good and evil is a pretty heavy topic for that age group. Monster HIgh probably freaks out a lot of parents.and Nick probably doesn't want to freak them out more.
8:22 Maybe removing more organs, such as the kidneys, is what enabled Cleo to attain that Barbie like figure.
I think I'll headcanon that Heath has two dads, Lucifer and Hades, and they were just talking about his *other* dad.
I feel like if I were to give any of them glasses, it would be the one who is thpically in water. Lagoona Blue (or Lagoona Fuschia) would make the most sense to need glasses, in my opinion. Her, or Frankie, depending on whether or not they still get their eyes and head from that scientist lady referred to in Skull Shores
11:36 - 12:07 I mean…there is a Gorgon who’s a symbol of Wrath in Dante’s classic poem “Inferno”.
Im going to just choose to believe Heath’s dad is just named Hades and runs a Company call Underworld Corp. because they keep calling him a CEO and got a god.
In my own stories I made it where Dracula was not a vampire, but a dragon, because that's what his name literally means. I also made it where Dracula was involved in the Later Crusades and subsequently turned against the Church for using him to further their selfish ends. In retaliation, they sent a monster hunter named Trevor after him, but the two instead became lovers.
For those who are still new to the G3 cartoon, Shea Fontana explains how in this universe monsters are born monsters.
Now that you mention Dracula with braces...it reminded me that in the recent episodes we could see Draculaura and Heath as children wearing modern clothes, In a modern building (?) As if they were in the 21 century wich doesn't make sense at all bc they are 1600 unless...monster high is set in the year 3k but the tech and clothes for such futuristic setting seems very dated...idk
I literally talked to my partner about this yesterday and was so incredibly confused and annoyed at what they did with Heath. I’m so happy you called that elephant in the room out so quick in the video
So, Dracula wasn't actually inspired by Vlad the Impaler. That's a common misconception.
Our boy Bram was inspired by a the famous myth from Derry in the North of Ireland about a little person who was said to be undead, drank blood, they buried him many times and he only stoped coming back when they put a crucifix on the pile of earth. People called him 'Droc Fola' blood drinker.. Pronouncing it sounds a looot like Dracula 😂
Vlad totally was an inspo but like leaving out that legend was easier because people didn't consider the nation where he wrote the story and where he was from of being of influence.
Riordanverse fan here, and in a lot of stories where folklore and religion are all equally true you can belong in one world without necessarily having that world's gods be your personal religion.
I spoke biologically speaking he could be a Greek Christian hybrid child I mean do we know who his dad is?
I haven't watched the show so I have no idea but based on what you said since you already decided this isn't that Medusa she could be a Medusa who is more Christian
(Im commenting live so i apologize for the amount of comments 😭)
I once talked to an Asian person once whom had an issue w drac being Taiwanese Chinese due to her age, they argued that since shes thousands of years old she would have been born before colonial times meaning she should have been Indigenous instead & speaking in Indigenous languages not mandarin
(Im not Asian or Indigenous myself but i just think thats an interesting point abt her)
I honestly think them not having the mh characters be children of universal monsters anymore fucked them up alot-since they were based around universal films not novals explining alot of draculauras quirks
Edit: i also think g3 frankie being 15 days old doesnt make sense-they & clawdeen joined monster high at the same time yet frankie knows everything there is about the school while clawdeen knows nothing?? It makes no sense
Yeah, that's a very fair point about the Taiwanese thing. I throw that on the pile of "things that don't make sense bc the MH writers decided throwing a '00' at the end of a number was a good way to age their vampires and then didn't consider the wider implications". Both of Draculaura's parents are supposedly older than their given countries/regions of origin.
I do think Frankie's knowledge about some things is perfectly explainable, though. They have parents who taught them about Monster High as well as leftover memories and instincts from all the pieces that went into making them. Meanwhile Clawdeen came into this world from a complete outsider's perspective.
@@Oakwyrmin g1 they did expline that she was adopted by dracula-her dad was friends with dracula & after her parents died dracula turned draculaura into a vampire to save her & adopted her as his own
In g3 however she was born a vampire & has both parents which just makes things more confusing and takes away a really interesting aspect of her
Thats a fair point about frankie but it still bugs me-i just dont get why would they have both frankie & clawdeen be the new students when they werent gonna do anything w that in regards to frankie, in g1 it worked cus she was the only new girl n also the main character
@@Man-wolf-tbf her being born a vampire seems to be a carryover from G2. A lot of things here kind of feel like they were from G2 and they wanted to reuse them because they liked the concepts, but sloppily combined them with the new ideas of G3, creating this frankensteined(pun intended) gen.
I have two possible theories. One for why "mummy magic/curses" are fine while "witch magic/curses" are forbidden and one for the whole "why is there still alpha-is-top-dog-everyone-must-submit in the were community?" bit.
The reason "mummy magic/curses" are fine is because they're linked to a specific type of monster heritage (not sure what this would mean for hybrids between mummies and non-mummies but that's not the theory being thrown out) and are thus "under control". Witchcraft on the other hand can be learned by basically anyone with the knack and willingness to study, so it's seen as "wild and out of control and therefore dangerous". It's probably similar to why yetis got banned for the potential of their ice powers going haywire while people like Heath got a free pass despite their fire powers being equally potentially destructive.
And the "alpha-is-top-dog" could be a "stop appealing to tradition when tradition is toxic" plot-line where some weres in the past decided that the alpha SHOULD be the top were who everyone else in the community must be subservient to and found some way to make it stay that way; changing attitudes will, with this theory, lead into this aspect of the culture being recognized as toxic and a movement to make the community more egalitarian and fair for all involved. Possibly paralleling how toxic views about how your gender is supposed to inform how you behave and your role in society have been challenged because the toxicity got recognized as such.
To be fair, the first wereruler overthrew the werewolves, so it would not really makes sense for the thing to be based on lupine social structure. Pretty sure she was a werecat, and lions do work that way.
Also, cannot really assume every gorgon names their snake after the sons.
Popular Culture in general got Medusa wrong because her head was bound to Athena and Zeus's armor sets, or it was attached to Athena's shield. The only exception in pop culture is Saint Seiya, wherein Medusa's head is part of the shield of the Perseus saints.
One nitpick of mine is how Draculaura treats witchcraft in the show and in the movies. She just learned magic cause it's something she started to like and is interested in. She's always struggling about needing to do it in secret because it is forbidden in the monster world and it's her main plotline. But the thing is she only does it for fun, and having it as a thing that's always been part of her is kinda meh. It'd be better if some monsters were already born with magic and the ability to do witchcraft, so this way they wouldn't have choice as to be or not be a witch/wizard, and would have to deal with the prejudice by other monsters. In my opinion this would make the conflict much more relatable and logical.
deuce named his snakes after his first special interest duh (lighthearted)
We do see Draculara's mom in season 2. They have a fun relationship.
Stroker being Dracula's bitter ex is prefect.
I'd love to hear your thoughts on other inaccurate mythology choices in movies/animated shows! 😀 Mythology is one of my biggest special interests, and it always annoys me so much when people get stuff wrong. Or worse, get stuff wrong and then try to justify it with 'these are the true myths!' 🙄It's like toddlers going 'my toy is better than your toy!'
While I DO agree the look for Hades in this show is rather...meh. Heath being his son makes a bit of sense, considering that Hades is "canonically married" to Persephone.
I also agree that the ages of immortal beings can be somewhat confusing in both ancient and modern mythologies. For example; in the Hotel Transylvania movies, it's established that Drac and his pals have been present since the late 1800. But for cases like Frankenstein, HIS origin would make more sense to be in 1816 (since that's when Mary Shelly wrote her novel.) Also, what kind of Mummy name is Murray...it's not even Egyptian.
Not like those belonging to the De Nile Family in Monster High.
As for the show's version of Count Dracula...this may sound surprising but it turns out that Dracula is a surname. Therefore, while the Dracula in Monster High may not be the OG Vlad we know of; it's my headcanon that believes there are multiple Counts within the Dracula Family (each one behaving differently than your typical vampire)
Honestly, as a Greek mythology nerd and a Christian, I understand why they didn't want to make the Devil himself a character, but also Hades and the Devil are inherently two different religions that don't match up like that. (Side note: Literally the Romans hated the Jews for not adapting to their "we worship all God motif" and I feel like the Devil=Hades thing would have happened in the year 0 but I digress) But they could have made it so Hades was an adoptive father, still keeping them as distinct characters and not depicting the Devil. I feel like it would also flesh out the anger issues or what ever Heath's trauma is. I haven't seen the show.
Baba Yaga could have been around before the ban or was exiled as a result of it.
I always wondered why Baba Yaga was in every after high and not monster high
Probably transferred
Great video! Really helped me sort out my own thoughts on Hades depiction (in this specific show and in a few other current medias)
they never actually changed Abbey's nationality she was always from the Himalayan mountains they just gave her Russian coding cause Russia is cold...Abbey is from cold place. She never even says she’s from Russia, she just has a russian accent and her relatives have Russian sounding names, It was weird. I would like to see some slavic characters in the future but i feel like this was a good change from the original even if g1, Abbey is my favourite and g3 Abbey is alright as a character.
I feel like a lot of this is something we can write off as "it was intended for kids" tbh. I know things don't make sense but from a very vague and uneducated standpoint, it works well enough within the universe. If it helps, we can also say that these issues aren't issues and line up perfectly within universe though.
I specifically wanna focus on the "Heath's dad" thing tbh, this is a childrens show at the end of the day. There is absolutely no way they could address something as controversial as the christian devil, especially when they are already getting negative feedback from extremely conservative christians against the doll line in general because it's "evil". It's not just the FB moms that already have issues that would flame the series at that point. You cannot look outside at the current political climate and NOT understand that it would be immediate cause for cancelation if they put the christian devil into their show, especially as a somewhat likable character. You also can't just call him Lucifer, that name is absolutely synonymous with the christian devil. I have no idea how Cinderella passed off naming the cat that but it would never fly in 2024. I wanna be extremely clear too, I am not speaking on my personal beliefs, I am just speaking on the way the world is and realistic scenarios. At the end of the day, this series is intended for children and it has to get past the western censors accordingly.
Don't get me wrong, I am still optimistic that it can continue to push the boundaries of society but what I want is a gay male character who gets to have a boyfriend and be happy(we get gay female characters in several series but we do rarely see gay male characters in such media. MH is doing so amazing with representation though and it would mean a lot to me).
Either way I am loving the line of dolls they're putting out and I don't want them to do anything that would jeopardize the continuation of the line. I can head-canon anything I want at the end of the day but I NEED them to release Spectra and hopefully Skelita one day down the line.
I mean technically speaking Bram Stoker just took the name. Because it colloquially means devil. also the name originates due to vlad's father being part of the order of the Dragon. So there are people unrelated to Vlad who has the title dracul however the order was founded in 1408 so still way after Draculaura is supposedly born.
My theory regarding Deuce's snakes is that he's mix-race Gorgon and Serpent, as in the temptation snake from the Bible. If the mixing goes back enough generations (more than 2), he could look fully Gorgon, but have genetic attributes relating to his Serpent ancestry. Seeing as the show regularly references Christianity, I don't think it's too far out
Another theory (that I fine more boring) is that the show takes the stance that several human belief systems are different interpretations of the same monster species
What if! What if Draculaura and Vlad aren't blood related? 😳And 900 years old teen Draculaura stumbled upon middle aged just turned Vlad and adopted him as her father? I'm just joking of course, i haven't even seen the show yet. But that would be f-ed up
The timeline inconsistencies only really factor in if we assume that the Monster High timeline and world are exactly the same as our own and not just worlds with similarities on a different sliding timeline. We might as well give the show the benefit of the doubt and assume they aren’t exactly the same.
You have plenty of good points, but we don’t have to assume the show uses our timeline and not similar events on a different one.
Your points about Hades, tho, are top notch. People need to stop conflating Hades with the Devil.
I think the devil is underutilized in western cartoons. Like I'm from the czech republic and some of our most famous fairytales both in film and just regular stories ( Fimfárum and tons of other stuff from Werich, Anděl páně, s čerty nejsou žerty and others i can't remember now ), include hell and the devil as characters, sometimes even sympathetic ones or more morally gray and nobody cares. They're usually the most fun part of their stories too tbh, there's a lot of stuff you can do with them both aesthetically and plot wise
I don't get why people seem to be so sensitive about them in other countries, maybe it's because czechia is known for it's atheism and so a lot of religious fears don't make much sense to me but it seems rather silly
Baba yaga appears in ever after high as a a teacher
I've been waiting for someone to make a video on this!
And remember G1 Monster High is the only true Monster High
I’m curious. How would you fix the “Long lived monsters in high school” problem? I’m legitimately curious on how that would happen.
Well MH has already done it well, in G1 Cleo and Nefera were locked in the pyramid so they don't know much about the current world or living with other monsters and in G2 Draculaura was also locked up for a long time. So something like that would be nice
I do question opperata being an Elvis fangirl from the south, and not a more reference to the source material besides the mask covering her physical deformity. I don't mind het 50's aesthetic but I do wish she was more phantom of the opera, with her 50's theming she could reference Phantom of the Paradise film which had a 50's band called the juicey fruits. I do like the fact she's a transfer student to new Orleans from France.
She was always meant to be a rebaillious girl-she does things her own way rather then her dad
She was never meant to be based on the book but rather the universal verison of the story
@@Man-wolf- ah but still hopefully in g3 there will be a reference to phantom of the Paradise
The age thing always bothered me since G1, especially for the vampires and Draculaura being 1600yo for us to understand that she's actually 16. And same for other works of fiction. I've never seen teen vampires say they're 46 yo.
Can you do a video about the live action show one piece. Specifically there is a character who has been sick for years, has to take medicine often. Basically a pretty good representation of chronic illness. Until it is revealed that she was being poisoned the whole time. My question is this “curing a disability”? Is this still representative? Is it falling into harmful stereotypes?
Personally I related a lot to the character until the reveal. I was disappointed after.
Yep this about as convoluted as I expected it to be
I'm just going to keep believing Heath has 2 dads. The Devil, and Hades. They're exes 🙏
Weaving myth and history together is something I struggle with in my own writing.
For me I have multiple types of vampires that require different stuff to survive.
My core faction, The Red Blooded Vampires, can drink cow blood to survive, though human blood gives them more power.
I also different kinds of werewolves, but the main kind are Beast Hunters that turn at will.
Wizards are wizards.
Demons are demons.
Fairies are fairies.
Also, mutants are there. Just straight up mutants with mutant powers. Right next to the space aliens.
Now, dear fellow viewer, surely you ask: How do you manage all that nonsense?
Answer: Tedious research.
Monster High’s mythology basically operates on “if it’s cool and a fun plot point, use it” lol. That being said Heath was 1000% supposed to be a demon until someone higher up got Andy, you can’t change my mind.
That’s why EAH is way better because they actually get their mythology right well most of the time but monster high is pretty much a travesty because of it’s cool we just put it in there no that’s not how proper storytelling works storytelling has to have a structure etc
3:18 God I want that to be true so much let’s have the bitter exes please
I think the Deuce’s snakes thing is after the Pandora’s box story. Where there were all the evils of the world.
I want to see Bram Stoker as a bitter ex to Dracula, now. Give us the queer drama, Monster High!
Also, this was probably recorded before the episode released, but Fang Wei does appear in season 2. I have not seen the episode yet, so I don't know much about her, but if you have, I'd love to hear your thoughts on her.
i believe they've said they count ''monster'' years differently.
also, i think they're missing out on saying draculaura's aunt is named carmilla.
Will you be making a review once all of S2 has released?
12:00
Probably because in some versions of the tale a snake is what got the first women to eat from the tree of good and evil,
And in others the devil took the firm of a snake
Because of that snakes have always been associated with the 7 deadly sins, that's probably all there is too it
It always bothers me when people decide that Dracula was based off Vlad. Stoker had him actively hating the Wallachians and fighting against them in his backstory. He's not Vlad or any other member of that family.
does this hades read to anyone has part hades town-hades? his design and job particularly brought that to mind
the whole I’m half werewolf thing is so stupid, like no your either a bitten werewolf or a born werewolf
“Don’t say it.”
“Don’t say it.”
*”…Hades.”*
“F*CK.”
Also Cleo's age is kind of awkward with the Cleo x Frankie relationship
That didn't stop Cleo X Deuce in G1 though
Season two makes the timeline even worse. There’s an episode in which Draculaura and Heath are children but their clothing, toys, and the hotel they’re in are modern.
Heath is 1500 in G3
@@KaminoKatie That’s what I’m saying. If the episode takes place when he’s seven, the hotel should be an inn from the dark ages.
I know this doesn’t have to do with the video but hear me out, I would really like you to do a video on the book series Warrior Cats, and yes I know you may not wanna read an insane amount of books, but there’s plenty of videos on you TH-cam explaining the stories of the characters and the lore that you could watch! I would really love to see your take on one of my favorite characters, Briarlight, who’s spine was broken when she was still quite young, leaving her unable to walk and so she couldn’t hunt or fight for her clan(the series is about 4 groups called clans of stray cats). I love the story of her trying to find her place among her clan mates and I think you would too! Some other disabled cats in the series that you might wanna look into are Jayfeather, Cinderpelt and Brightheart. I know this comment will probably get ignored but if you do read this Oakwyrm, then please make this a video! Also, I might copy and paste this on other videos because I really want people to see this comment! Also sorry for this being so long ;-;