Why Solid Snake Never Used CQC Before MGS4... 🐍

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  • @PythonSelkan
    @PythonSelkan  ปีที่แล้ว +321

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    • @BigBoss-u6c3v
      @BigBoss-u6c3v ปีที่แล้ว +2

      he didnt use CQC because it wasnt a feature before mgs3

    • @shin-oni4223
      @shin-oni4223 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Was he trained by Big Boss, or was he trained by his double, Venom Snake

    • @BigBoss-u6c3v
      @BigBoss-u6c3v ปีที่แล้ว

      @@shin-oni4223 he was trained by big boss

    • @JAMESMCDANIEL-h1l
      @JAMESMCDANIEL-h1l 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😢🥺🌹

    • @userUIhrGyrhsj
      @userUIhrGyrhsj 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      sounds like witcher snake

  • @adrianrenard1262
    @adrianrenard1262 ปีที่แล้ว +15111

    "It wasn't a gameplay feature back then Otacon, but now is"

    • @OriGiNaLxGoD
      @OriGiNaLxGoD ปีที่แล้ว +585

      So accurate with how this game uses that 4th wall breaking technique throughout the entire series. 😆

    • @Pointman11111
      @Pointman11111 ปีที่แล้ว +281

      @@OriGiNaLxGoD Kojima san making his games futureproof since 30 yrs

    • @GreenPhoenix91
      @GreenPhoenix91 ปีที่แล้ว +149

      Back in the 90s Snake used right hand jabs then in 2005 he learned to kick, then in 2007 he learned to roll and roundhouse kick his foes to the floor. I hate how Snake was forced to use this art but I understand why they implemented it.

    • @hussein8917
      @hussein8917 ปีที่แล้ว +60

      @@GreenPhoenix91he kicks since in mgs1

    • @Alex_Logan22
      @Alex_Logan22 ปีที่แล้ว +64

      @@OriGiNaLxGoD
      Kojima has always gone out of his way to fill in lore nuggets too.

  • @nabeelahmed5003
    @nabeelahmed5003 ปีที่แล้ว +6603

    "You had those skills all this time and you never used them? Why?"
    Snake: "You never asked"

    • @kisukoev
      @kisukoev 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +83

      Canon

    • @mrmofo36
      @mrmofo36 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +107

      "just thought id punch and kick wildly when me and liquid were fighting half naked"

    • @nordinreecendo512
      @nordinreecendo512 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +48

      ​@@mrmofo36I mean, that sounds like a typical fight between two brothers.

    • @guysmiley6162
      @guysmiley6162 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

      Snake: *beats the shit out of someone*
      Directer: "Snake, were you not taught CQC?"
      Snake: "Yes sir, I was taught CQC."
      Directer: "Than why didn't you use it?"
      Snake: "He didn't ask me."
      Guy: "Oh yes, because getting my ass kicked into next Monday wasn't bad enough! Should've been more polite and asked before hand, right?!"
      Snake: "That would be preferable." 😂

    • @miimiibeschde4818
      @miimiibeschde4818 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      ​@@mrmofo36Solid: He felt Like a Younger brother, so I used Like 20% of my true strenght and I fought His comrades and a Metal Gear before that

  • @chiyo-chanholocaust8143
    @chiyo-chanholocaust8143 ปีที่แล้ว +4322

    - Because Otacon, they didn't invent CQC until 1964, which was actually 2004
    - What?
    -What?

    • @gochem3013
      @gochem3013 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      *2014

    • @tkts6672
      @tkts6672 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +121

      ​@@gochem3013no it was 2004 the release year of MGS3

    • @gochem3013
      @gochem3013 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      @@tkts6672 oh.

    • @Abe00009
      @Abe00009 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Files is being declassified after 50 years, which is 2014?

    • @nostalgiaholic4874
      @nostalgiaholic4874 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      ​@Abe00009 but snake didnt learn it from the files he learned it from bigboss

  • @TBrizzle01
    @TBrizzle01 ปีที่แล้ว +2909

    Big Boss's files becoming declassified is a nice fourth wall break for acknowledging MGS3 was released.
    Also don't quote me but I believe files become declassified after 50 years, 1964-2014. The years of MGS3 and MGS4.
    It's a backdoor cover for gameplay evolution but they did a nice job with it.

    • @SOLIDSNAKE.
      @SOLIDSNAKE. ปีที่แล้ว +97

      Kojima ahead of the game

    • @LesMilitairesSansFrontieres
      @LesMilitairesSansFrontieres ปีที่แล้ว +67

      Closer to 75 years, but yes, they do declassify.

    • @davu6712
      @davu6712 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      Not all of them do, WW2 stuff still isn’t

    • @PaulieWalnuts13
      @PaulieWalnuts13 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@davu6712holy shit

    • @Meadiocracy
      @Meadiocracy ปีที่แล้ว +64

      Depends on the content of the classified material. Some are a handful of years, others could be a century if ever. We still have WW2 documents that aren't declassified.

  • @MrAmritbasran
    @MrAmritbasran ปีที่แล้ว +2565

    Not to mention during development Kojima wanted to make mgs more based off real life military combat scenario and used tactics based off Japanese and Korea Swat cqb to then have the whole staff go through basic training, he was well ahead of his time

    • @Zode123
      @Zode123 ปีที่แล้ว +253

      Bro made the devs into Fox Hound lmao

    • @MrDumdumkilla
      @MrDumdumkilla ปีที่แล้ว +33

      CQC was already proven fake and Mori made it for MGS specifically

    • @SaladSneky
      @SaladSneky ปีที่แล้ว +163

      @@MrDumdumkilla It's fake in the way that there is no martial arts called CQC (it's like calling Center Axis Relock "Fire Arms Shooting") but there are several martial arts that inspired CQC.

    • @jonathanjacobs8989
      @jonathanjacobs8989 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      CQC is actually something like Krav Maga

    • @Raccoon.City.Police.Department
      @Raccoon.City.Police.Department ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jonathanjacobs8989 nope fuck that Israely garbage technic, CQC is made by the whole awesomeness UNCLE KOJI.

  • @SimonCrazyCatGaudet
    @SimonCrazyCatGaudet ปีที่แล้ว +5431

    Always like how they kind of make an excuse for it and put that in the game.

    • @bol4death
      @bol4death ปีที่แล้ว +177

      Its what makes mgs interesting

    • @Doopus
      @Doopus ปีที่แล้ว +258

      lmao they’re gonna have to, snake cant break the 4th wall and say “at the time, kojima wasnt able to program it, but now he is”

    • @SimonCrazyCatGaudet
      @SimonCrazyCatGaudet ปีที่แล้ว +54

      @@Doopus they could have say nothing and roll with the extra moves

    • @SpunkMayo
      @SpunkMayo ปีที่แล้ว +66

      ​@@Doopusyes he can lmfao have you never played a metal gear game?

    • @maskingtables
      @maskingtables ปีที่แล้ว +43

      Tomokazu Fukushima was the Kojima Productions writer in charge of justifying gameplay elements into the story. He left after Peace Walker was released.
      His absence is strongly felt in both MGSV and Death Stranding.

  • @Alex_Logan22
    @Alex_Logan22 ปีที่แล้ว +1078

    Snake denying 2nd thoughts about his father is a nice touch.

    • @LE3ESP
      @LE3ESP ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Technically not his father. He is a clone born from big bosses cells with “the boss” used as a surrogate

    • @Alex_Logan22
      @Alex_Logan22 ปีที่แล้ว +132

      @@LE3ESP
      Eva's his surrogate mother, not Boss.

    • @keagyn877
      @keagyn877 ปีที่แล้ว +105

      @@LE3ESPlove when people try to “technically” explain facts and are just wrong lol. Eva, not the boss

    • @silverghost3250
      @silverghost3250 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Anything fandubbed is garbage, this is too

    • @5udimax
      @5udimax ปีที่แล้ว +71

      ​@@silverghost3250This is a codec conversation from the actual game not a fandub

  • @KatoCoyoteCombatWorkshop
    @KatoCoyoteCombatWorkshop ปีที่แล้ว +301

    CQC is pretty badass, but I still do love those crazy Karate/TKD kicks he'd throw in MGS2. The sheer velocity of that hook kick is like a car crash.

    • @freddymcshreddy6586
      @freddymcshreddy6586 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      I always loved setting up enemies next to railings and doing that PPK combo to launch them over the railing.

    • @qp9259
      @qp9259 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      I've always interpreted this as one sign that Solid Snake's raw physical potential surpassed Big Boss's due to his upbringing being in a time and environment where they would have a greater understanding of how to train someome like him.

    • @KatoCoyoteCombatWorkshop
      @KatoCoyoteCombatWorkshop ปีที่แล้ว +22

      @@qp9259 Your headcanon isn't that far off from mine. I like to think before ever joining the army, David trained in Kyokushin Karate while John is from a boxing and wrestling background. John's strikes are direct and his throws are efficient, while David will incorporate high kicks and use flashier throws. The Ocelot unit fight vs the PLA fight are the biggest inspirations for me.

    • @willroan324
      @willroan324 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Yeah that stuff is ALSO cqc. Cqc isn't a fighting style, it's a term used to refer to battle/ fighting at personal range. All melee combat is cqc. Any fighting that occurs inside the distrances you would find in a building interior is CQC.

    • @KatoCoyoteCombatWorkshop
      @KatoCoyoteCombatWorkshop 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@willroan324 You're not wrong but in the world of Metal Gear Solid "CQC" is referred to as a martial art created by The Boss and Big Boss. It's really just multiple Japanese martial arts, but in this context, CQC is an in-world martial art.

  • @jonaspen
    @jonaspen 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +204

    imagine one decent mother base soldier clearing the pmc's from mgs4 just by actually being taught cqc from big boss himself

    • @jart1984
      @jart1984 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +50

      they can in peace walker, if you choose to play as a mother base soldier you still can wipe the room clean with CQC like big boss

    • @revanamell1791
      @revanamell1791 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

      You can actually get stats that exceed Big Boss from good RNG.

    • @zachmercer1065
      @zachmercer1065 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      There’s something to be said about Venom Snake here…

    • @yellowcard8100
      @yellowcard8100 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      @@revanamell1791 Exactly. Big Boss wasn't really the best soldier. He was damn good, but he had charisma and his stories and achievements were wildly exaggerated. Like Ocelot/AIs said, anyone can become like Solid Snake.

  • @5persondude
    @5persondude ปีที่แล้ว +854

    Only the Cell processor and Blu-Ray drive could grant Snake CQC abilities

    • @ryanpeck3377
      @ryanpeck3377 ปีที่แล้ว +44

      The Emotion Engine granted Big Boss CQC

    • @evilmookey1067
      @evilmookey1067 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      True true

    • @LckD008
      @LckD008 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Explain how the 3ds port had it then

    • @DennisMHenderson
      @DennisMHenderson 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@LckD008N

    • @lgordoloco7536
      @lgordoloco7536 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      me when i play it on rpcs3:

  • @bigwhopper6501
    @bigwhopper6501 ปีที่แล้ว +110

    Solid Snake: I just thought round house kicks were cooler

    • @brettpritchard265
      @brettpritchard265 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That was Raiden wasn't it? Snake didn't do roundhouse kicks did he?

    • @bigwhopper6501
      @bigwhopper6501 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@brettpritchard265 yeah in mgs2 and I think in twin snakes

  • @raygun8308
    @raygun8308 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +96

    How solid snake looks at the average grunt when they hit him with that dollar store cqc: 😀

  • @SAClassHunterZero
    @SAClassHunterZero ปีที่แล้ว +931

    TL;DR…
    “Shadow Moses and Big Shell were so easy and unthreatening to me, I didn’t need no CQC.
    Hell, I’d probably have DIED before using it! *wink*”

    • @Alex_Logan22
      @Alex_Logan22 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      Liquid would’ve likely used it against him.

    • @luichinplaystation610
      @luichinplaystation610 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      The punch combo and kick in some form is not CQC?

    • @randomt800kiddo2
      @randomt800kiddo2 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      @@Alex_Logan22when would he have learned it tho? the only big boss he knew was venom, and venom never taught him anything

    • @celestialdice
      @celestialdice ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@randomt800kiddo2 Back at Diamond Dogs in V maybe?

    • @randomt800kiddo2
      @randomt800kiddo2 ปีที่แล้ว +46

      @@celestialdice liquid was a little shit who constantly tried escaping and or killing venom until he escaped with the metal gear. i highly doubt venom taught him anything considering venom wanted to give them an education then a proper childhood instead of having them continue as child soldiers under the advice of kaz

  • @Texano5-0
    @Texano5-0 ปีที่แล้ว +176

    Freaking LOVED the concept of CQC. It was a little flashy but quick and effective in the game. So awesome

  • @florpflop6364
    @florpflop6364 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    It’s not even that he’s intentionally using it, his body is just reacting to mockery. What a badass

  • @aadipie
    @aadipie ปีที่แล้ว +653

    I love how there's an explanation for everything 😂

    • @KENSHIROez3260
      @KENSHIROez3260 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Just like Star Wars, I mean there even an explanation why Aayla Secura wear like that

    • @whateverwhatever4026
      @whateverwhatever4026 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      NANO MACHINES!! PARASITES!!! GHOSTS!!!!! 👻

    • @mattbufkin3711
      @mattbufkin3711 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Death stranding he'll yee

    • @ericfieldman
      @ericfieldman 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      In the phantom pain when you go through all the cassette tapes you find one describing how the shrapnel pressed on his optic nerve and might affect his sight, which might explain why enemies disappear at a distance or why damage makes you see the image is if the film is burning

    • @FreeSalesTips
      @FreeSalesTips 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      TELL ME ABOUT HOT COLDMAN

  • @TENCHUSNAKE-
    @TENCHUSNAKE- 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Solid Snake: "Don't quote the Dark Magics (CQC) to me Otacon...I was there when they were written!"

  • @KBXband
    @KBXband ปีที่แล้ว +22

    This was a pretty cool explanation of why Snake never wanted to use it.

  • @ryutoki
    @ryutoki ปีที่แล้ว +1089

    The real answer is that Kojima didn’t have the idea for CQC until MGS3, which technically stars Big Boss rather than Solid Snake.

    • @DrRESHES
      @DrRESHES ปีที่แล้ว +73

      it was a thing in mgs1, called CQB, B for Battle. the conversation with Colonel was very brief.

    • @JoseMolina-jz9hh
      @JoseMolina-jz9hh ปีที่แล้ว +63

      They’re all pale imitations of Punished Venom Snake

    • @JoseMolina-jz9hh
      @JoseMolina-jz9hh ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @dudeguyr not with cqc

    • @JoseMolina-jz9hh
      @JoseMolina-jz9hh ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @dudeguyr but we have never actually played as big boss besides 3. And Venom makes sure to let us know that Punished Snake is the Phantom strong arm of Big Boss. Literally his cqc outsourced choice is Punished Snake. So even big boss agrees with me lol

    • @somepvpguy69
      @somepvpguy69 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      ​​@@JoseMolina-jz9hhpeace walker?

  • @pepsidude8919
    @pepsidude8919 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Otacon: "Since when did you learn how to use CQC?"
    Me: "From when I started playing MGS3."

  • @lukabrasi001
    @lukabrasi001 ปีที่แล้ว +58

    to everyone saying Venom was the one training David, in MG2, Big Boss tells David to switch frequencies. that's where the switch between BB to Venom could occur. after that, Big Boss only tells Snake bad advices in order to try and get him killed

    • @noobbro3469
      @noobbro3469 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Venom died in mg1

  • @flowrepins6663
    @flowrepins6663 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    Snake was definitely using cqc, even though miller called it cqb in mgs1 n mgs2. He could choke till knock out or snap neck and judo throw. Also could punch n kick while in msx metal gears he only punched. Thats due to hardware limitations

    • @andrewfoss5279
      @andrewfoss5279 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      This what I'm saying

    • @GnosisZX
      @GnosisZX ปีที่แล้ว +3

      No he was current military martial arts rather than big boss one

    • @internetguy2760
      @internetguy2760 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      True, but Solid Snake’s fighting lacked a lot of the features of Big Boss’s CQC, mainly the ability to take your enemy as a human shield and fire, to throw your enemy to the ground when holding him, and slamming any enemy to the ground to knock them out instantly. You could also hold up an enemy on the ground in MGS3, which Snake didn’t do in Shadow Moses or the Tanker.

    • @wikipediaintellectual7088
      @wikipediaintellectual7088 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      CQC is just an acronym for close quarters combat. All soldiers are trained in CQC.
      Kojima is just terrible at English and couldn't find a more descriptive term for the martial art that The Boss came up with.

    • @flowrepins6663
      @flowrepins6663 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​​​@@wikipediaintellectual7088in israel the term form cqc is krav maga, means contact combat. It became a "style" later. Lots of martial arts like muay thai, sanda, savate, began as military art for soldiers and later adapted to civilians for sports. But the term martial arts already means is an art for war. Judo is sport now but back then it was for samurais to fight without swords. anyways, cqc is military unarmed combat and the fictional cqc of metal gear is mainly based on judo probably. So much that they kept asking if it was judo in mgs3. Maybe krav maga n other stuff too. They say in mgs3 it was created by the boss and big boss and the boss kicked everyone's ass. The most irealistic part is women being able to fight man hand to hand and be able to be elite military. Maybe they can snipe but they are not able to keep up with men phisical strengh like that

  • @micahmerez9445
    @micahmerez9445 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    snake: “Somehow CQC returned”

  • @THAT_Maverick009
    @THAT_Maverick009 ปีที่แล้ว +88

    Remember the basics of CQC folks!

  • @frostburn3736
    @frostburn3736 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    *_"Consecutive C-Q-C!"_*

    • @thatfunnykekguy6377
      @thatfunnykekguy6377 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      C-B-T!

    • @NiCoNiCoNiCola
      @NiCoNiCoNiCola 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@thatfunnykekguy6377 groin strikes are a huge thing in CQC (gameplay wise)

  • @JJShalashaska
    @JJShalashaska ปีที่แล้ว +40

    This is why MGS4 is the best game ever, also because of these explanations which go deep into the relationship that Snake had with his father, and the respect he has for him. It moves the player deeply in the core. We can also see Snake paying respect to Big Boss in the intro and in the outro, he chooses his grave as place to die.
    Also in chapter 2, when you have to track Naomi, Snake says that he's not good in finding trails because "he's not Big Boss".
    But what Snake didn't know is that he became better than his father, indeed in the end not only he managed to defeat him and all the other enemies, but we can basically say that Snake is the clone of the "good side" of Big Boss, his recessive genes, the ones that led him to act as a hero until MGS3 (because Big Boss changes already since Peace Walker), and Big Boss acknlowledges that and respects Snake back "If you were in my place back then...maybe you wouldn't have made the same mistakes that I did".
    The two guys have basically gone through the same traumas, but Snake kept being a hero while Big Boss eventually sold himself and his comrades.
    This is why MGS4 is amazing, and this is also why I loved MGSV, because that game shows the player just that, going deeper in Big Boss' betrayal and selfishness, without trying to fix things like many Big Boss fans hoped.
    This is also why MGSV has been hated so much. I wonder why some players play games if often they can't even understand a story which is perfectly explained in every chapter.

    • @Muthalickaa
      @Muthalickaa ปีที่แล้ว +4

      That’s a very good analysis! I wish I could’ve gotten into Metal gear solid five because I love the series! But the series, just kept getting more and more stupid with anime elements, and I’m not a fan of anime

    • @JJShalashaska
      @JJShalashaska ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Muthalickaa thank you! I think MGSV was given with PS+ subscription also in 2017 and today it should be very low price on PS Store, I hope you can try it out

    • @Mrx.123
      @Mrx.123 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@Muthalickaa but metal gear solid always had ''anime'' elements since the first game

    • @TheUncannyOne
      @TheUncannyOne ปีที่แล้ว

      💯💯💯💯💯

    • @ChooseLife.YourLife
      @ChooseLife.YourLife ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Sankes not a hero. Never was. Never will be.hes just an old killer for hire

  • @jamesverday7880
    @jamesverday7880 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Kojima is the master is coming up with convenient story explanations for more simplistic game mechanics in previous games

  • @CZinDC
    @CZinDC ปีที่แล้ว +3

    How tf didn’t snake realize big boss looked exactly like him lol

  • @CannibalCowboy51
    @CannibalCowboy51 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Otacon: Why?
    Snake: I'm limited by the technology of my time.

  • @leophoenix1452
    @leophoenix1452 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Its safe to say that during the events of mgs 5 big boss returned to fox hound... While venom snake was building another phase of the fame of big boss

  • @JacktheLightning
    @JacktheLightning ปีที่แล้ว +57

    Never heard that dialogue, it's pretty neat! ❤

    • @Patrick-Bateman64
      @Patrick-Bateman64 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I heard it since child, is an mgs4 codec call

  • @ghostyboi6565
    @ghostyboi6565 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    David Hayters voice man. Shits angelic

  • @sourkyle
    @sourkyle ปีที่แล้ว +5

    it’s so amazing how with great detail kojima explains away why they didn’t have cqc in the first two mgs.

  • @Hadrows
    @Hadrows ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Close-quarters combat, punching, kicking, grabbing choking and throwing, where in MGS1, not that fancy like in MGS3 but was a feature back then

  • @mitchellf4201
    @mitchellf4201 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    Keep it up man. They definitely need to make a Metal Gear Movie

    • @mrc6808
      @mrc6808 ปีที่แล้ว

      no they dont they will fuck it up

    • @diegozuniga6122
      @diegozuniga6122 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      It's been in works like for more than 10 years, who knows if it will ever see the light of day

    • @stevewilson6723
      @stevewilson6723 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I would much prefer an animated series that will do the games justice vs a cash-in movie that will suck. The guy who did cat shit one would be the ones I would look at to spearhead this project.

  • @itsTonySaint
    @itsTonySaint ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I really wanna play a remastered or remade version of this game for new Gen consoles 😢 Even just a solid port would be fine

    • @sumguy8180
      @sumguy8180 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      It's coming. The MGS collection vol. 1 just dropped. Mgs4 should be in the next volume.

  • @Urlastnerve
    @Urlastnerve ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love the recent resurgence of Metal Gear. Wish I still had 4 so I could binge the series again.

    • @SyamDaRos-EndoManno
      @SyamDaRos-EndoManno ปีที่แล้ว

      15€ on PS3 digital store, and I think it's included in PS+

  • @steelekratos4834
    @steelekratos4834 ปีที่แล้ว +108

    The real reason is because cqc wasnt designed until Snake Eater 😂

    • @NostalJuegos
      @NostalJuegos ปีที่แล้ว +10

      True, but lore's explanation is actually good.

    • @alexjackyperson101
      @alexjackyperson101 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      ​@@NostalJuegoswhich is pretty rare nowadays

  • @joeyc666
    @joeyc666 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Great editing. It gave me chills.

  • @stephenwoods74
    @stephenwoods74 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    I get this wasn't in earlier games as they probably never gave it mu h thought. But that minute of conversation was well written. Makes total sense and when snake uses it he just embarrasses his enemy. Can't wait till October. Also currently play through MGS4 on emulator and I am absolutely loving it.
    As always keep up the amazing work

  • @Tucher97
    @Tucher97 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    How interesting, Snake has a similar discussion with Raiden with "actual experience versus VR/learning."

  • @just_pat9898
    @just_pat9898 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Can't wait for Delta and Vol 2 with Guns of the Patriots for PS5!!!

  • @goddy5890
    @goddy5890 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "I had a bad experience once with that restaurant/service/product 20 years ago and told myself I'd never to use it again. Unfortunately I need to use it now"

  • @augustopaixao8911
    @augustopaixao8911 ปีที่แล้ว +121

    I love to hear David Hayer acting! So sad that him do not returned for MGS V.

    • @geraldsanchez1934
      @geraldsanchez1934 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      David Hayter is the voice of Snake. Venom isnt Snake, he is supposed to be you.

    • @Muthalickaa
      @Muthalickaa ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@geraldsanchez1934 they’re clones, so I don’t see how they would have a completely different voice

    • @geraldsanchez1934
      @geraldsanchez1934 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @Jdizzybaconbread Not to get too far off topic, but it's hinted that Ground Zeroes, the game we play, isn't real but the hypnotic suggestion that Ocelot implanted in Venom Snake while he was comatose. MGSV was weird.

    • @TheUncannyOne
      @TheUncannyOne ปีที่แล้ว +40

      ⁠@@MuthalickaaVenom isn’t a clone

    • @gustavosantos106
      @gustavosantos106 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Venom Snake is the most sexiest Snake

  • @diablo5617
    @diablo5617 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    “Uhgh, Otacon, it’s just a meme”

  • @petrospago3515
    @petrospago3515 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    a man who betrayed his unit? no his unit betrayed him

  • @YmirFritz47
    @YmirFritz47 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    this gives me goosebumps, bigboss has it all

  • @sicek7268
    @sicek7268 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thank you. I’m so happy I found you and your TH-cam channel. Your pretty good !!!

    • @PythonSelkan
      @PythonSelkan  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Many thanks for the kind comment! 😊🙏
      - P&S

  • @Afflictamine
    @Afflictamine ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Snake forgot about the fight he had with liquid on top of the Rex

  • @JacOfArts
    @JacOfArts ปีที่แล้ว +18

    ...Well if CQC in gameplay is just punching, kicking, grabbing, and throwing an enemy soldier, then Snake totally had it in MGS1.

    • @t.gchannel4067
      @t.gchannel4067 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      and the game (MGS1) dialogue did mentioned about cqc

    • @randomguyontheinternet8345
      @randomguyontheinternet8345 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Its mostly grabbing techniques. Snake was doing different forms of karate in the other ones.

    • @citizenvulpes4562
      @citizenvulpes4562 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It's not just punching and kicking, it's a mash up of different martial arts like Ju jitsu and/or Taikwando

    • @JacOfArts
      @JacOfArts 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@citizenvulpes4562 Right but I'm saying that when it is put to use by the player, it's fundamentally punching, kicking, grabbing, and throwing.

  • @dprelate7285
    @dprelate7285 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My favorite quote was cut:
    "A war criminal, reinvented as a hero"
    something along the line happens quite a lot actually.

  • @prisonmike420
    @prisonmike420 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I really hope they do a collection vol 2 with this game

  • @CpmStudios
    @CpmStudios 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Always enjoyed your content Python! Love how stoic Snake is.

  • @samuelantoniocastillomeza5034
    @samuelantoniocastillomeza5034 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Neat explanation in-world. Also fits the tendency with stealth games protagonists becoming older but their movement and combat more fluid as their games get more modern.

  • @Infinite.Worldz
    @Infinite.Worldz 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    A game with David being trained by Big Boss would dare i say a Outer Heaven.

  • @shodyblankz1250
    @shodyblankz1250 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Making me wanna try mgs4 agian ❤

  • @San-san6499
    @San-san6499 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It also shows that Snake is so tired and desperate he's finally okay with using CQC

  • @WanderingMiqo
    @WanderingMiqo ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Where is the last clip from? I don't remember that from MGS4.

  • @TAREEBITHETERRIBLE
    @TAREEBITHETERRIBLE ปีที่แล้ว +1

    my favorite move is when Snake yells:
    *_PYTHAN SELKANNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!_*

  • @MrPolicekarim
    @MrPolicekarim ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I heard that the reason there were no bullpups in MGS4, was because of the CQC animations. They couldn't do it for programming reasons. Also, this is just a guess, but in MGS1, maybe there was no CQC because they didn't want to go down the motion capture route. It was already ambitious enough as it was.

    • @flowrepins6663
      @flowrepins6663 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Mgs1 had some cqc

    • @brandonperez8977
      @brandonperez8977 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@flowrepins6663It was more CQB (Close-Quarter-Battle). Because when I called Miller when facing Grey Fox. He said that instead CQC

  • @mad9325
    @mad9325 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "snake, try to remember the CQC CQC CQC"

  • @ricklopez4703
    @ricklopez4703 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Also being a Supersoldier helps

    • @ksa7621
      @ksa7621 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hes a clone thats been made to age double speed

    • @ricklopez4703
      @ricklopez4703 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@ksa7621 him and Liquid were genetically enhanced to stand harsh conditions and are stronger than regular men and heal much faster but maybe not Supersoldier level but at least enhanced .

  • @Wolfblue7
    @Wolfblue7 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    All those years I was wondering about that, now I know, thanks PythonSelkan

  • @mozkuthehermit5909
    @mozkuthehermit5909 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    "You had those skills all this time?"
    "Ps1 limitation Otacon but now we have stronger machines nowadays"

  • @yasserbouchebaick6749
    @yasserbouchebaick6749 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Bro I wish to see mgs4 on ps4

  • @RebekahSolWest
    @RebekahSolWest 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love Kojima productions’ bizarre and clever retcons

  • @Link00007
    @Link00007 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Magnificent

  • @RipVan.Winkel
    @RipVan.Winkel ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Bro, snake realy kept him waiting to show this skill

  • @Pointman11111
    @Pointman11111 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Giga Snake

  • @biffnastya
    @biffnastya 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Snake... thank you for building me into the man I am today

  • @brandonnunez1524
    @brandonnunez1524 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    DAMN I miss mgs4 😢

  • @seanholland6132
    @seanholland6132 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I kind of do love the retcon that it's because of a bunch of rookies learning it and his body going on instinct.

  • @abdizur8765
    @abdizur8765 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Clearly it wasn't the fact that it wasn't introduced until MGS3 or anything. 😂

  • @dannyrooney4323
    @dannyrooney4323 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Snake is such a badass! "My body just reacts naturally. That's all."

  • @MAC3451
    @MAC3451 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    Venom showed him

    • @fletchersykes1660
      @fletchersykes1660 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      No Big Boss did. Solid Snake met Venom once and that was during their confrontation in MG. Prior to that Solid Snake was under the tutelage of the real Big Boss.

    • @superoakwood5513
      @superoakwood5513 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Venom was building Outer heaven up in south Africa,Big boss was Commanding officer of Foxhound waiting for when Zanzibar land was done building up power and amassing ressources
      So it actually Big boss who showed him,Venom just got info from Big boss about Solid sneaking around and to stop him that's it

  • @puerrodios8013
    @puerrodios8013 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Snake was using CQB in mgs1 and mgs2. It involved punches kicks and chokeholds.

  • @arsnakehert
    @arsnakehert ปีที่แล้ว +4

    They could've just said pressing circle repeatedly in MGS1 was using CQC all along
    By the way, using Twin Snakes footage is cringe, even MGS4 shows stills from MGS1 (and even a whole playable level...) when it comes to showing flashbacks from that game

    • @5nesta
      @5nesta ปีที่แล้ว +4

      They called Snake's melee attacks CQB in MGS1

    • @flowrepins6663
      @flowrepins6663 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@5nestacqb is probably same thing b is for battle instead of the c for combat . Close clothers battle

    • @lukabrasi001
      @lukabrasi001 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@flowrepins6663 yes, but CQC was coined by Big Boss and the Boss. CQB was a generic close quarters hand to hand style

    • @GeneFOX70
      @GeneFOX70 ปีที่แล้ว

      m.th-cam.com/video/154VX5aXHy8/w-d-xo.html

  • @chrisl8277
    @chrisl8277 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Me doing cartwheels in MGS1: "I'll never use CQC"

  • @M4A1BestGirl
    @M4A1BestGirl ปีที่แล้ว +5

    SPOILER ALERT!!!
    The truth is, Venom Snake is not Naked Snake. He was Naked Snake's medic, but the chopper explosion erased his memory. After a nine-year coma, the medic underwent facial reconstructive surgery to retain the appearance of his mentor.
    Venom Snake, officially known as Ahab, would escape the hospital with the real Big Boss, now known as Ishmael.
    Naked Snake faked his death and went into exile, but Venom would eventually learn the truth and carry out his legacy, such is the tradition of FOXHOUND.
    Venom would be defeated by his son, and his successor Solid Snake, and pass the mantle of Big Boss on to him.

  • @genericallyaccepted
    @genericallyaccepted 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    In MGS you actually use CQB (Close Quarters Battle). I think it's in a conversation with Miller...

  • @zuran6633
    @zuran6633 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Except his commander was venom snake... not big boss.

    • @Upāsaka_11
      @Upāsaka_11 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Snake didn't know that though, did he?

    • @zuran6633
      @zuran6633 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @eriklugli2704 not confirmed... but I would find it tough to believe in all of Otacon searching for the Patriots and for sunny that some how some way he didn't come across the truth about venom... but that's just a hunch.

    • @notcorinnothing
      @notcorinnothing ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ​@zuran6633 How many people actually know about Venom tho?

    • @flowrepins6663
      @flowrepins6663 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@notcorinnothingim not sure kojima thought about venom after mgs4

    • @flowrepins6663
      @flowrepins6663 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      ​@@zuran6633maybe venom was so good that no one could tell the difference from the real boss

  • @jamtime4978
    @jamtime4978 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The message of not being able to simulate experience is awesomely consistent in this franchise. It's quite literally the entire plot of the second game with Raiden the virtuous missions and the big sell incident. But not only that makes a big return in plot for the fourth game.
    Remember the soldiers in the fourth game are only as good as their nano machines because they do not have enough real life field experience to deal with the stress of a battlefield. The nano machines do that for them and make them mindless soldiers that are just perfect until they fail.
    Also sick edit and sorry for going on a spiel I just love this series so much.

  • @valentinobambino6728
    @valentinobambino6728 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    -Since when do you know CQC?
    -Since Big B-Kojima thought it would be a good idea.

  • @Maikigai
    @Maikigai ปีที่แล้ว

    I now need this sort of dialogue for why his mouth didn’t move on Shadow Moses.

  • @Jesse12489
    @Jesse12489 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This reminds me when 9/11 was mentioned in Metal Gear Rising. Metal Gear Solid took place in the future of 2005 and MGS2 in 2009. Something that did not exist in the past but is brought up in later games.

  • @marcclay9125
    @marcclay9125 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Basically "I use it now because other people are using it against me" I like that explanation

  • @Supersmallpig
    @Supersmallpig ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Soild Snake: kid I can't use it because back there I was being stuck at mosaic in PLAYSTATION 1 you got it now? Boy😂

  • @MinimusMaximus
    @MinimusMaximus ปีที่แล้ว

    Kojima: "When it comes to shove CQC into current timeline, I've got the upper hand"

  • @stonedhermit490
    @stonedhermit490 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "Because otacon, games consoles weren't able to handle such badassery before 2008...some tech Wiz you are"

  • @binaryghosts5131
    @binaryghosts5131 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I still have the strategy guide from MGS3 that has a few pages in it that teaches you some CQC moves. I literally learned it by reading about it lol

  • @strugglepresident3779
    @strugglepresident3779 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is like having a codec conversation about why Snake doesn’t have eyes during Shadow Moses.

  • @rowdyrager-9403
    @rowdyrager-9403 ปีที่แล้ว

    To have a partner like The Boss to train with would be a treat.

  • @bluejjay
    @bluejjay 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Reminds me of the way Jin Kazama discarded the Mishima style post Tekken 3.

  • @Jaypes1
    @Jaypes1 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "he taught it to me, so i never used it." Also, "others arent doing it right."

  • @richardssa1999
    @richardssa1999 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You eventually learn that Big Boss didn't betray his unit but they all used and betrayed him

  • @prauwnsauce
    @prauwnsauce หลายเดือนก่อน

    I still think the GameCube veersion of mgs1 that was a slight remaster is one of the best, the way they gave Snake some flair was beautiful.

  • @BrklynBread
    @BrklynBread ปีที่แล้ว

    A rather uncommon occurrence where the retcon was welcomed. It added to Snake's prestige. He accomplished all his feats up until that point in the story while handicapping himself.

  • @SKULLTHEWIZARD
    @SKULLTHEWIZARD ปีที่แล้ว

    Oatcon sounds like he's coming straight from MechAssault Warrior 2: Lone Wolf.

  • @UTubeRepossessions
    @UTubeRepossessions ปีที่แล้ว

    “I’ve never used it in actual combat” and “I learned from doing” makes complete sense