The Multi-Variable Chain Rule: Derivatives of Compositions

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  • Suppose that f(x,y) depends on two variables but that the x(t) and y(t) are themselves both functions of t. Then f(x(t), y(t)) is a composition of functions and the derivative of f with respect to t is computed via the multi-variable Chain Rule. In fact, this scenario is one of many different generalizations of the single variable chain rule. We can use arrow (or dependency) diagrams to illustrate the relationships between a bunch of multivariable functions and for each situation write down a chain rule that gives the slope. The idea in the example given here is that a small change in t results in a small change in both x and y which in turn result in a small change in f.
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  • @lolololol632
    @lolololol632 3 ปีที่แล้ว +91

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    • @DrTrefor
      @DrTrefor  3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      So glad it helped!

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    @Lostwolf16 4 ปีที่แล้ว +24

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    @belemaayonoadu9219 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

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    @PD-vt9fe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

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  • @hu900
    @hu900 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I'm so happy that I found this, he explains it realy well. At 3.20 "If you only change w" should be "If you only change x". No problem though, it is clear anyway. Thank you so much for this video!

  • @Chris-ng9zi
    @Chris-ng9zi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

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  • @honkhonk8009
    @honkhonk8009 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Love the video bro.
    Im a CS major and was struggling to figure out how chain rule worked for backrpopagation.
    The chain rule seemed easy enough on textbooks but i never understood what the dependency chart thing was, or how it would be extended to other examples
    This just explained it perfectly

  • @immortalkarin
    @immortalkarin 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

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    @gokulakrishnansaravanan7475 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

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    @mimstudent8662 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

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  • @sahilafroj277
    @sahilafroj277 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

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  • @isakwatz11
    @isakwatz11 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Impressively simple yet effective expanation!

  • @billhopkins8330
    @billhopkins8330 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great explanation!!

  • @crimfan
    @crimfan 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    A very nice explanation of the total derivative.

  • @EfremTesfaye-cz7tl
    @EfremTesfaye-cz7tl 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

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  • @aravindhvijayanandan3010
    @aravindhvijayanandan3010 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great exposition of a difficult concept, Dr. Bazett
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    @joyghosh3858 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

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    • @DrTrefor
      @DrTrefor  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thank you!!

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    @jitendermeena9480 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

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  • @discoveryofphysics9303
    @discoveryofphysics9303 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

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    @amansingh-ww2qc 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

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  • @hakaneskici2771
    @hakaneskici2771 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for the explanation sir

  • @salvatoregiordano9050
    @salvatoregiordano9050 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent video and explanation sir! I really appreciate this. Do you have any idea where I can find a video that proves the formula for the chain rule you described? Thank you so much!

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    @ahmedmohamedkhogle6100 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

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  • @yosafendrafendra7960
    @yosafendrafendra7960 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Hello Dr Trefor please make a playlist about Partial Derivatives Equation, i think a lot of people will need it. thanks a lot

    • @DrTrefor
      @DrTrefor  3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I plan to!

  • @abdullahmohamed2083
    @abdullahmohamed2083 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you thank you sooo informative

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    @sandunmunasinghe9469 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

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    @joaomattos9271 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing!!

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    • @DrTrefor
      @DrTrefor  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Glad you like them!

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    @Avinash_Avee 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

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  • @giuseppecammarata7528
    @giuseppecammarata7528 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you! Would it have been an error if I had written the symbol of the partial derivative in lieu of dx/dt and dy/dt (second row in final conclusion)?

  • @edwarddi3833
    @edwarddi3833 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    nice video, very informative! Thanks!
    however, what about the second derivative of f(x(t), y(t))?

    • @fullfungo
      @fullfungo ปีที่แล้ว

      Just take the derivative twice

  • @bilalabbad7954
    @bilalabbad7954 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks

  • @frommarkham424
    @frommarkham424 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    it's useful in machine learning

  • @yoavmor9002
    @yoavmor9002 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Index notation and Einstein convention make this very easy to remember. But I don't think most folks are ready to display all variables as x⁰, x¹, x², x³, etc...

  • @mathadventuress
    @mathadventuress 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    hi dr trefor, can you please make a video or have you already on 2nd derivatives? say if z=f(x,y) and x=x(r,s) and y=y(r,s)...and we want to find the 2nd derivative of z with respect to x or y...i have an example in my book and i just dont understand it. i follow along the first derivative just fine. but then it says
    d/dr times the first derivative...which so far makes sense, but then it looks like it is doing implicit differentiation or something?
    please, thanks!

  • @realchatlabs
    @realchatlabs 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Do I understand it right that the multi-variable chain rule the same as the single-variable chain rule (f . g)'(t) = f'(g(t))g'(t) with the difference only that you have a dot product between f'(g(x)) and g'(x) instead of a regular multiplication? (assuming that g(t) = [x(t), y(t), ...] to fit your examples).

  • @doxo9597
    @doxo9597 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I still don’t understand why it’s the sum of the two?

  • @aditube8781
    @aditube8781 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    AMAZING

  • @HasanRaza-pe2sy
    @HasanRaza-pe2sy ปีที่แล้ว

    Great content. In india many of us study this in grade 11 and 12. As how i know as i am in 12 currently

    • @arpityadav.832
      @arpityadav.832 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      burh it is of multivariable its teaches in college 1st . from which board r u?

  • @sharifullahdanish4480
    @sharifullahdanish4480 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    As you said we can directly solve it via putting the values of the x & y, so if you would do it, we will appreciate it.
    thanks..

  • @ronycb7168
    @ronycb7168 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks ... Also the chain rule looks a lot like the total differential divided upon dt

  • @ugursoydan8187
    @ugursoydan8187 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    why we added the change due to y to change due to x? is there a proof of that?

  • @omer7895
    @omer7895 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What would be the gradient of w?

  • @enzoys
    @enzoys ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I mean, it looks like you can just substitute the t expressions in both x and y and have a normal chain rule

  • @felixgomez5085
    @felixgomez5085 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have to tell you sir. You design usefull videos, with nice visuals. But you need to upgrade your sound device... It's mandatory at this level !!!!!!

    • @DrTrefor
      @DrTrefor  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      i actually since have!

  • @suvanshmahajan5902
    @suvanshmahajan5902 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can anyone tell me if this is calculus of two independent variable(x,y) and here both these variables are dependent on t, so basically both are not independent of each other.How???

    • @DrTrefor
      @DrTrefor  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes in this situation we still call x and y independent even if they are both functions of the same variable.

  • @keerthanadiga3781
    @keerthanadiga3781 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    why single independent variable chain rule has product of 2 slopes why they had to multiply the 2 slopes?? can anyone answer .... it would be a chance for others to think

  • @Nik-qh7cq
    @Nik-qh7cq 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    What if we have f(x,y) and a g(x,y) = (n(x), m(y)) and we need the derivative in respect of x for f(g(x,y))

  • @khushinegi1363
    @khushinegi1363 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What about the higher order derivatives in two variables?

    • @khushinegi1363
      @khushinegi1363 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      How will we calculate them?

    • @DrTrefor
      @DrTrefor  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well we mostly do what we just did, but twice. So if you can do, say, the partial with respect to x then just do that again to get the second partial with respect to x.

  • @user-jq4in7dm1v
    @user-jq4in7dm1v หลายเดือนก่อน

    Still don't understand, why can't I just use dw/dt instead of partial

  • @josephhajj1570
    @josephhajj1570 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Mr what's the proof of this chain rule😘😘😘

  • @abnereliberganzahernandez6337
    @abnereliberganzahernandez6337 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I joined

    • @DrTrefor
      @DrTrefor  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Hey thank you so much! Glad to have you:)

  • @Darkmatterkun
    @Darkmatterkun 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    why does the theorem still hold true when the cross example proves it wrong

  • @slowsatsuma3214
    @slowsatsuma3214 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love you

  • @nadernaysak
    @nadernaysak 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You're a great teacher really, but your voice isn't clear and it sounds like a little noise there. Try a better mic. I WISH YOU THE BEST!

  • @dinigi
    @dinigi 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Honestly, I don't really care about how and why this works on a fundamental basis. I am just looking to apply it correctly..

  • @altuber99_athlete
    @altuber99_athlete 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great explanation! The pauses were on time, but maybe talking a bit slower can help the viewer to grasp the concept under discussion. Regardless, nice job!
    One question.
    In your example, we had "w = f(x,y)" (and particularly "w = x^2 y"), where at the same time "x = g(t)" (and particularly "x = 2 t + 1") and "y = h(t)" (and particularly "y = t^3").
    That's fine, but I have a slightly different example. Suppose we have a function "w = f(x,y)" (without knowing any particular expression for "w"), where at the same time *"x = g(u,y,t)"* (not any specific expression for "x") and "y = h(t)" (not any specific expression for "y"). *Would the derivative "dw/dt" still be given by "∂w/∂x · dx/dt + ∂w/∂y · dt/dt, or would the formula change?* Notice the main difference between your example and mine is that in yours, "x = g(t)", while in my example, x = g(u,y,t)" where "u = i(t)".

  • @birdhanhansdah8580
    @birdhanhansdah8580 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    hhhha

  • @huijiang3051
    @huijiang3051 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good than common teacher ,bu also not clear and to some degree, is a waste of time and energy to watch

    • @easymathe4all6247
      @easymathe4all6247 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      th-cam.com/video/0Ppc7AzJtvI/w-d-xo.html
      full concept of chain rule