Is Arcs by Leder Games the BEST GAME of 2024 . . . as Shut up & Sit Down claims? | Unboxing & Chat
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Arcs is a sharp sci-fi strategy game for 2-4 players, set in a dark yet silly universe. Ready yourself for dramatic twists and turns as you launch into this galactic struggle.
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Seems a little odd to express skepticism of another site’s review without first playing the game yourself. Looks like you wanted to capitalize on the recency of their video rather than actually play the game to reach an informed opinion. Disappointing.
Unboxing video while chatting about why I am skeptical . . . I have historically and consistently not lined up with SUSD's reviews. So, their positive take makes me concerned that this game I purchased won't be right for me or my group.
We will see - I play it tomorrow.
Watch out the people that are "forced" to watch your vids are coming out of the wood work
Honestly I get your trepidation. I have definitely found that I do not always agree with reviewers. For example with susd, I did not agree with their opinion of cosmic encounters. On the other hand, I agree with their oath review and disagree with your own. I think the is something to be said for seeing how seeing a review can reflect your own preferences, even where you respect the reviewers opinion, as I know you respect susd. In my opinion it is okay to say "susd loving it could be a bad sign for me loving it" because that is a reflection of how your taste often differs from their own. Plus your difference of experience in oath is a good indication considering it is the same gentleman from susd who reviewed both.
@@kylehollenbeck9585 cosmic is one of those that confirms this theory. Time and time again SUSD has loved games I haven’t and were less than favorable on games I love.
Though, I'd totally would love to see you playing a game of this with Tom from SUSD!!
I enjoy both channels, and I'd love to you both together on the table!(plus Matt for 3 players)🙌🙌🙌
Title is misleading. This is just an unboxing video. Not worth watching if you were here for some opinions on gameplay.
Thanks for the support. I’ll have gameplays, reviews, and what not down the road.
A simple rule of thumb might be that, especially if you have the box in hand, to at least play a game or two before sharing your skepticism? It’s 2024 and we have been trained to expect misleading video titles, but this is pretty poor, unfortunately!
Sure thing.
The title of the video is questioning SU&SD's claim. But this video is an unboxing.
I don't think you can answer that question with an unboxing compared to their 40+ plays ;) Not saying they are right and you are wrong.. just saying the title is misleading.
I have played twice. To me it's on a spectrum from Root to Oath. Sitting closer to Root than Oath. The trick taking part of the game that sets your actions for that round has a lot going on and I can see people feeling things are out of their control and thus not like the game. You will set better expectations on yourself if you think of it as one action per round and maybe one or two rounds per turn you will be able to do more. As you get better at the game, you will be able to engineer or predict those multi action rounds better.
It's also very reactive. Your opponents can do things to you on their turn and you don't get much counter play while they are doing it. Your chance to do that is on your turn. And the way VP are scored is when someone chooses for something to be worth points. You might not have been working toward that thing, but now that it's actually worth something, maybe you should pivot your plan to work on that new thing.
Like expecting to only get one action a round, maybe also expect to be reacting to the board each round more than directing the board. But you will probably have a few key rounds where you do switch form reaction to directing the other players.
With those expectations, your first games may feel better.
Thanks for the comment and context! We will be digging into tomorrow :)
ARCS Unboxing would have probably been a more accurate, less borderline clickbait.
Then again, lessons are hard to learn. "She left me"
I have talked about that video title multiple times and absolutely agree with the issues around it :)
Thanks for the input and support.
So the video is an unboxing and you talking about another channel’s review of Arcs.
“SUSD liked it so I probably won’t.”
“I want more flavour text on the cards. I’ve never played it but I think they made a mistake with too little text.”
Yes, worthless video - definitely watch the new one. Played the game now.
@@Quackalope Not a worthless video. I’ve been subscribed to your channel since the beginning and have probably watched most of your videos.
this is just an unboxing of a game you haven’t even played yet. why so much negativity? just trying to capitalize on the algorithm and timing of other people’s reviews?
I’m not being negative . . . I’m having a conversation about my expectations for a game I bought. I’m opening it to play tomorrow . . . That’s the motivation for this video. Open the game so I can play the game, and chat about my thoughts on it while I do so.
Judging by your tone and the general quality of this video, I guess Leder refused your shake-down?
Yep, exactly. Go take to your keyboard warrior status somewhere else.
To spend your time harassing your life must be sad and unfulfilled. I have to remind myself that you don’t have permission to comment on who I am.
Sorry, I can't quite make myself finish a 20 minute video about why someone may not like a game they haven't played yet, lol 👎
Love the support . . . come back for the review down the road then, or don't.
No one is forcing you to watch and no one is forcing you to leave rude comments.
It honestly wasn't that rude Jesse. Your response however....
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Lmao, the BIGGER box is the expansion. Not the smaller box. 2:35
Definitely don’t jump right into that puppy for a while.
XD I cought it
Do not play with the expansion right away!!! Chew on the base game + leaders and lore for a bit.
Get your head around the idea that it’s trick taking. If you can accept that for what it is, then I think you’ll have a good time. I somewhat agree with your bias toward Shut up and Sit down. Root was for me, oath wasn’t as much. Give Arcs a fair shake because Shut up and Sit Down aren’t the only ones singing its praises. It’s very good.
Noted :) we will get 4-6 games of the core game in before playing the expansion!
This channel is a joke lol
Sorry, that’s Netflix’s catchphrase already.
Im skeptical about this video showing why they are skeptical
It’s good to be skeptical. . .
@@Quackalope i agree SUSD have had some misses which is why I will never be sold on a BG by just one review, almost like I want some to convince me not to buy it after watching a hyped up review, every BG has it's audience so interested to see where this falls with you if it is as good as they say it is!
@@andrewsmyllie2707 we will be playing tonight :) preparing it now!
I purchased ARCS base game w/ ‘Leaders and Lore’ expansion a few days ago and have already gotten it played 3 times… THREE TIMES!!! That’s a rarity for me and I’m sure for most other board game reviewers/channels.
Played ARCS the first time as vanilla base game and twice where players drafted a Leader/Lore to play during the game.
Spoilers… this game is INCREDIBLE!! ⭐️ 💫 🌟
Why/How is it so ‘Incredible’?? I’ll save my thoughts for our review video on it, but WOW I am SO HAPPY with how easy the mechanisms are to grasp and the intense depth of tactical strategy involved with each card played.
Went out today and bought the campaign expansion and cannot wait to sink my teeth into it.
I’m excited to hear your initial impressions!
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Nice! We will be diving In tomorrow at game night :) I’m excited to see what the hype is all about!
I look forward to seeing you give it a proper review. I've found more times than I'd like to admit that my on-sight impression of how good a game looks based on reading the rules ends up being wildly different from by impression of the game after playing a few times. Sometimes you just never know until you try it at the table
Yep, and at times it changes from play to play! Going to get a few in before the final verdict :)
Why do you keep repeating yourself?
Just sitting and talking while I open it. IDK.
With SUASD it's hit or miss for me. For instance, I love Root and am pretty lukewarm on Oath. I do love Arcs though.
Interesting! I think their game group plays a big roll into the titles they love.
Absolutely do not start with the expansion! The base game is phenomenal and very deep and there are lots of things to learn about the flow of the game and building towards the ambitions that are crucial to have a grasp on before moving to the expansion. I'd play at least 3 or 4 games before even thinking about the expansion. It adds at least double the rules and lots more objectives to go after. It's not impossible for sure but much harder to know how to work towards any of the campaign objectives without already knowing how to play the game itself (the ambitions and everything about the base game is still present)
We will start with the core game tomorrow!
@Quackalope hope it's a great time! It takes a couple games to get adjusted to the card play but wow is it worth it when it clicks.
Can't wait to dive in! We might get two games done tomorrow night.
You should ABSOLUTELY play 1-2 base games before you start the campaign. This is a very tricky game to wrap your head around.
Yep, we will commit to getting 4-6 games in before doing the campaign - that seems to be the collective verdict!
To answer your question in the video, definitely play the box first. The action selection is unique enough and hard to really use effectively. So it’ll take at least one game to really understand what’s going on with it and then you can add leaders and get into the campaign. Of course, if you think your group really understands the game off the bat, then you can include leaders in the first game, but I really don’t suggest it. I hope you enjoy the game.
Yep! We are going to commit to 4/6 games of the core before getting into the expansion. That’s been the universal recommendation!
I'll come back after you ACTUALLY PLAYED THE GAME.
Well, we have two videos now post playing the game. So, welcome back :)
Disappointed with the video, I think putting out skepticism without playing is harsh at best. Deliberately misleading at worst.
. . . Yeah ok. Go watch the newest video then.
Arcs looks really good. I tend to really enjoy trick-taking, emergent story, multi-use cards, unique player powers….yeah. It should be right up my alley. I’ve seen some playthroughs and it seems to live up to the hype.
But I’m generally a Cole Wherle fan. The struggle is finding a group for it.
Originally, Arcs was going to be one campaign game, but they ended up splitting it into the base one off game and the campaign expansion so people who don’t care about campaign aren’t paying the big box price.
I have liked a lot of Coles games . . . you are right, the game group is the question!
@@QuackalopeI still have yet to find anyone to play John Company with 😅 but maybe someday.
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Don't do the Blighted Reach expansion till you play base at least 4-5 times. You can throw in leaders and lore The only thing you need to sleeve is the action cards.
I’ll grab some sleeves and get the game to the table 4-6 times before playing the campaign!
Two thoughts:
-very excited to hear your take on ARCS! I always appreciate your informed reflections (and play throughs!)
-terrified of that carnival side show razor blade nonchalance!
We will be digging into it this week :)
That, sir, is a wonderful razor blade that I use all the time! Very comfortable with it.
So I was skeptical of Arcs too. But I really love Root and I actually like Oath so I was just trusting that Cole Wehrle would make a good game. I got the base game, leaders and lore pack and the campaign box but skipped the miniatures pack cause I like Leder Games wooden pieces. I'm glad I did cause I'm not a fan of the miniatures either. I like the wooden pieces way better. I've played about 8 games of the base game and I really like it. I've yet to break open the campaign other than organizing it and reading the rule book. I would say give base game Arcs a few games. It can feel limiting in the actions that you can do until you figure out how to work the cards and the resources. Everything is really straight forward but how to properly maneuver the mechanics takes a game or two. I would say learn how to spend your resources. I have found also that Resource tokens are like candy. Especially when you learn how to combo them. If they are being collected for a declared Ambition save them in your holds but if they're not being used for a declared Ambition this chapter, spend them for their prelude actions. That way you can do more things during your turn. The rule book says to play base game first and to not worry about leaders or lore cards until you've played that first game or two. That way you can better understand how the mechanics work and understand the significance of the Leader and Lore powers. (Which are crazy powerful) The Campaign adds a few more systems on top of all that to make an epic space trilogy that I have yet to play. I've watched some gameplays. Even still both base Arcs and Leader and Lore Arcs are great experiences. Also Arc's dice are probably my favorite dice. Root dice are very simple and straight forward which I like. Oath dice are often way too swingy and OP lol. Arcs dice are the best of both worlds in that you can chose how risky you want to be and they're very simple to read. I had two battles yesterday where I was on my last card and I needed to raid another player to steal their relics. I nearly destroyed my fleet but managed to grab 3 keys and steal the relics I needed. Thus stealing the win and landing myself 15 points for Keeper. Then in the last chapter I tried to do it again and raid only to destroy their cities thus provoking outrage on relics thus losing all the relics I needed lol.
Ok, you have made me even more excited / interested :)
Thank you!!
@@Quackalope I'm glad. Hope you end up enjoying it. :)
PS: I was hoping for more flavor text too. But Cole Wehrle has said on camera that he doesn't think games a good narrative platforms and thus tries to make the gameplay what drives the narrative of the game. Which I sorta agree and disagree with Wehrle. But because of that philosophy I like how he tries to do game storytelling differently through player's making the story with their actual actions. That being said: I have seen Cole Wehrle actually say the base game is kind of like the prequel to the campaign. Like the base game is various space societies trying to conquer the reach and build the most powerful empire. While the campaign takes place in that empires future where that empire has begun to decay as a terrible blight has begun to infect the Reach. Thus the players are now various factions of the empire that begin to jockey for new power as the empire crumbles in its time of crisis.
Im skeptical about this one to. Looks fiddly. Curious though
I’ll be playing it tomorrow :) / today
Definitely play the base game first.
Absolutely will :)
Can’t wait to hear your thoughts on ARCS after playing it! Loved watching you all form your opinions on Oath so I’m pumped to see how you feel about this one! I can’t wait to get my copy opened and see how it plays :) keep enjoying the hobby!
Playing it for the first time in a few hours :)
I love the look of both the wood and the mini's but I'm sticking with the wood because when you tip them sideways it is more clear. The minis feel too easy to accidentally tip over.
Your original Root playthroughs were what brought me to love that game the way I do now. I think ARCS has great potential to be just as loved by the community.
I think the best way to showcase this game would be to...
1. Play with Leaders and Lore with the base game
2. Play the three part campaign.
The current campaign playthroughs are kinda heavy and lack the personality your plauythroughs bring. I hope you enjoy it.
Also, I feel similarly to you about SUSD, but I think this one really does feel refreshing and noteworthy.
Maybe in a month or so we will be deep enough to do the campaign!
Arcs is an excellent modeling of a space empire where one has not as much control as one wants... in short what a large space empire would be.
I don’t think it takes down TI for me :)
@@Quackalope but... which one will get to the table more often?
I do agree with some of the comments on the title of this video, but whatever.
I also agree on the quality of the miniature wash. I love miniatures but these were just not for me. The wash just sort of looks dirty and doesn't sink into cracks to emphasize the shapes the way you would hope. I think the wooden components are nicer (my preference).
You definetely need to play this game and try to accept it on its own terms to find out if you like it. It's not like anything else. It will dissappoint if you expect it to function like something you know. It doesn't. it is HARD. I don't mean to say it is complicated (although it is a bit complicated), I mean it is demanding. It doesn't hold your hand. You don't get to simple select actions. You have to BATTLE the other players in a very cerebral way when you "select" an action and you CAN GET BEATEN. You get dealt a hand of cards that might not be conducive to doing what you planned on doing. Instead, you will have to look for what that hand can do it capitalize on that. It is VERY different, but I personally LOVE IT.
The minis won’t ever be used . . . I need to sell them.
Did Leder games refuse to send you a few thousands dollars for a positive review?
Yep, absolutely, what a unique and helpful take :)
Thanks for the support.
Man, people are harsh towards you these days and I hate seeing it. I get that some people think your titles can be clickbait, but I have been around for about 5 years. I can say that I haven’t been as interested in some of the recent videos due to my own interest, but I respect that you are doing what you can to keep this channel going. Keep going and forget the haters. I’m curious to hear your thoughts when you get this to the table!
Jesse, some of the comments on bbg and here are out of line. I watched the video, I don't think you said anything about SU&SD that was offensive. SU&SD are not tossing and turning at night because you claimed that your gaming tastes don't always line up. Also I have seen other content creators say "channel x and I don't have the same taste," and NO ONE went after them. I would say that I wouldn't have responded to the criticism on bbg. You weren't gonna change their mind, all they wanted to do was fly their white knight flag.
@@dcrbdh yes, this is often the case. Idk, I’m tiered of the nonsense though. So, I respond when and where people are spreading it.
Maybe, in the future, I’ll just go on with my self and keep working on my own life.
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Love that. Thanks for the support!!
Heyo,
Sorry to ask this here, but is the Gloomhaven giveaway winner already somewhere announced ? :)
@@marcorenner4602 will be this week :) it will be a obvious video.
Your take on Oath kept me away from the game for a long time, but now it is my favourite game ever. I won't let that happen again. ;)
Check out heavy cardboards full playthrough of the campaign!
I will have to do that :) after we get a chance to play!
Was really hoping for an informative review but was disappointed with a 20 minute unsupported ramble :/
I look forward to your informed thoughts in another video
I personally passed on this one because Oath didn't hit well with my group. I've tried to play Oath solo and haven't been able to get into it, and Arcs doesn't even have a solo mode. I'll be interested to see your thoughts once you've gotten a few games in, as my tastes align with yours in a lot of ways. Enjoy!
It’s compelling :) but then again - I want try oath at 4 players again . . . I just want to love these games.
Play only the core to start.
That’s the plan!!
Had a good fime myself with our first game. One mate loved it instantly while the thr other, hated it. I suspect there will be a percentage of people, as there always is, that this simply will never gel for them.
I am afraid my brain is being poisoned by all the positivity trying my best not to click on any reviews but your skepticism got me :)
Don't do it 😂
positivity isn't necessarily bad, and neither is negativity necessarily good
@@thedeltastrat I just review games and generally try not to watch content prior to me forming my own opinion that all, not making a statement on positive or negative coverage. I expect to love it to be clear and don't want to be disappointed.
Smart . . . I watched their review out of motivation to get it opened and played!
@@Neon_Gorilla ah I didn't know you are a reviewer. That makes your comment make a bit more sense to me now
Enjoyed the video even if the title was a little click-baity, but hey, don’t hate the player, hate the game. You give youtube what it wants or you sink into obscurity.
Btw, more KDM please!
Thanks. Working on some KDM :)
Nice clickbait. How about trying to make actual content?
100% agree with you on SUSD reviews. I love their channel and always watch, but I do tend to disagree with them.
Yep! It confused me at first . . . I bought everything they recommended and didn’t like most of it!
I'm not sure exactly where all the negativity is coming from, but it seemed pretty obvious what you were gonna be talking about and that there would be boxes opened.
That being said, I hope you actually enjoy the crap out of this game! It looks pretty cool from everything I have recently learned about it.
I might pick this up, but I am hoping they do a digital version at some point since getting a group together is more difficult than I would like these days.
@@Killzone0729 coming from BGG. The community here on the channel has been supportive and are enjoying the video.
Excited to play tonight :) preparing the game now!
Why not call it "Arcs Unboxing" instead of this clickbait title. You ask a question in your title you can't answer in 20 minutes, because you didn't even play it. Feels like you just want a piece of the cake, since SUSD hyped it and now you are trying to farm some clicks with a horrible clikcbait title.
I only watched the ones with a 🐦😜 but a phone call does not count;)
Adorable nerves though:)
Haha at least we tried.