Gnosticism - Irenaeus and his Against Heresies - Catholic Orthodoxy vs the Valentinian Gnostics
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- Gnosticism came upon powerful and sustained assault beginning in the 2nd century, most famously by Irenaeus and in Five Book "On the Detection and Overthrow of the Falsely-Called Gnosis" better known as simply "Against Heresies." In fact, prior to the discovery of the Nag Hammadi Library in 1945, Irenaeus was our only real insight into these ancient gnostic spiritualities. With Irenaeus becoming a "Doctor of the Church" just this year (2022) and Gnosticism a more popular religious movement than ever let's explore this most ancient polemic against Gnosticism. Does Valentinus represent Gnosticism fairly? What are his exact religious and philosophical critiques? What can we learn about ancient Gnosticism and the proto-orthodoxy from his attack? How did this work earn him the title of "Doctor of the Church"?
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Albertus Magnus was another doctor of church with links to the esoteric, wasn't he? That could be an idea for another episode.
What was the Jesuses' crime?
39:22 after all, 55 years of age ia not that odd, considering he died in Japan(?).
Why do you keep referring to St Irenaeus as a Catholic? He was a post-apostolic father, not a Catholic. There are no Catholics until 1053. Prior to that Rome was one of the patriarchates of the ancient faith. It had different theology and praxis from the Roman Catholic church of today. The church of St Irenaeus had no concept of penance, Purgatory, Mary as co-redemptrix, immaculate conception, the papacy, etc. By talking about St Irenaeus as a doctor of the Roman church you are assigning him to that church. He was fully just as much a member of the Eastern Orthodox church, the Protestants, the Oriental Orthodox church, and the Armenian church. Every large Christian group in existence today runs back through St Irenaeus. Rome has no ownership over him. Please refrain from the false notion that just because it's the biggest church today that means Rome is THE Christian church. It is not. You wouldn't say Abraham is the father of conservative Judaism and leave out orthodox Judaism would you? Of course not. So don't do it with Christianity.
Always great to see content on "Gnosticism"... whatever that really means. Gnosticism and early Christian heresy is almost entirely why I am who I am today; when I was younger, my first big fascination stemmed from the question "why do Catholics and Protestants have a different number of books in their Bibles" which led to "what was not included in the Bible and why?" - despite being a Catholic! It was on this path that I found my passion for ancient literature and philosophy, and am now learning Latin and Ancient Greek in order to teach (eventually) it myself. Thank you so much for a trip down memory lane and new insight, Proffesor Sledge!
I feel the same way. Not even sure what to call Myself. Gnostic catholic don't sound right, especially since Crowly invented something called that. I am a cultural catholic, but definitely like the term gnostic.
@@SANxJONERO Gnostic Christian or Christian Gnostic maybe?
I personally, made a journey from
agnostic
to atheist
to serbian orthodox
to christian kabbalah
to jewish kabbalah and black magic
to angel magic without confession
to spiritual
to gnostic
to gnostic with old-orthodox culture.
I would call me orthodox gnostic or gnostic christian, because i believe in the gnostic texts + many other apocrypha + the orthodox (especially oldorthodox or oldbeliever) teachings.
Would you believe me if I said I’m going down this exact same path today? I crave enlightenment over everything. I just want to take my best shot at finding the truth, and truthfully I may never find it but through investing our whole lives into this investigation we ‘may’ afford future generations to come one step closer, that’s enough for me. Happy hunting fellow truth finder!
@@sander.otdx.atheist to Serbian Orthodox is a huge step, may I inquire what inspired this change? I used to be an atheist too but personally it felt lazy not inquiring into a higher power if not at least a higher standard for existing. Human ego I believe is the crutch of all existence, hence the human condition and I personally don’t believe human secularism has the means to cure it.
I was Mormon and now I am a hard-core orthodox Catholic. I love the history of the Church we should know the history in order to fight for Christ and the truth passed down in his Church.
Follow the truth and you will find Christ. God bless.
Great appreciation for the 'this is fine' joke.
came for the academic level info about early christian theological drama, stayed for the memes and the jokes.
I'd also recommend St. Lawrence then, whom, the legend assures us, when roasted alive on a gridiron, cheerfully informed his torturers: "I'm well done on this side. Turn me over!"
I like the "nat 20" joke.
my favorite part of your videos is the calm, professional, and scholarly demeanor you use when speaking paired with captions like "WORLDSTAR! WORLDSTAR!"
It's the standard announcement for the commencement of fisticuffs.
As someone raised Mormon and who still attends, it may catch you off guard to say, but I thoroughly enjoy your channel. The past few years I've increasingly explored new ideological and theological ideas. And your channel has been incredible in providing new perspectives. Keep it up man, I love hearing you bring all these ideas into question and most of us greatly enjoy that questioning perspective.
Y'all LDS folks are keeping that Christian esotericism light on, for sure ;)
I as well am LDS and am fascinated with how the restored church has sprinkling of different strains of Christian and Jewish mysticism. You are not alone friend
@@joshezell4636 How do you guys explain the teaching that Native Americans were Jewish Lamamnites who were cursed to have dark skin? Your prophets used to teach this. In fact, they all used to teach that dark skin was a curse from God which is why African Americans were not allowed to join the priesthood until the 1970s.
@@randomango2789 they did indeed teach that, they still sorta do though they're trying to distance themselves from it. Given the Book of Mormon was written in the 1800s, it's not surprised the book used the "cursed by God" excuse to encourage colonization of America.
There are a lot of what may be considered moral problems with Mormon theology, but there are similar problems in the Bible (especially the Old Testament). Its an example of how religion can perpetuate harmful traditions, along with good ones (like loving your neighbor)
@@randomango2789 Its kinda interesting especially in Amerikan when new cults or something comes they seem very racial. Like the brotherhood of islam is nothing but Black supremacist movement pretty much. One of their core believes is for example that white people dont have soul, and whites were created by some evil person to destroy true sons of god (black people), and in the off shoot of brotherhood they believe white people are actually demons without soul doing satans work on earth.
I was a Mormon now converted to hard-core orthodox Catholic and I love these videos. I love history and I can feel my love of Christ, his Church, and for history itself growing.
Thank you for your content.
Finally left roman catholic church which does not call itself hard core anything. Im free of all insane religions. Im a contented peaceful at last Atheist.
@@Ksvtjhyb7 Alone in the vacuum of human sin unable to make any objective moral claims.
I was Protestant and converted to Gnostic Marcionism
@@NickSandt Why would you convert to an obvious lie? All of the gnostic "gospels" are dated hundreds of years after the original gospels and conflict with the old testament. I guess it is true. Man would rather worship a lie to appease his heart than worship the true god.
@@lordofthered1257 1. Marcion compiled the first Christian Bible ever circa 144 AD and it excluded the Old Testament because YHWH is not the God of Jesus. Rome changed this by excommunicating Marcion, labeling him a heretic post-death and adding to his canon of scripture.
2. The Torah is not original, it is retelling stories of the ancient Sumerian pantheon, the Anunnaki. Of which is the Sumerian god of air and storm deity, Enlil, who the Greek Zeus is modeled after, and Enlil’s brother the Sumerian god of the sea and water, Enki, from which came the story Poseidon. Moses wrote that God flooded the world and that God told Noah to build a boat but it was Enlil who flooded the world and his brother Enki told Ziusudra to build a boat.
3. Enki is Jesus/Poseidon and the snake in the garden while Yahweh is Enlil/Zeus/ the devil of the New Testament. Yahweh was a Canaanite storm deity, who caused a whirlwind in Jeremiah 29:13, spoke from a whirlwind in Job 38:1, and said Israel will reap a whirlwind in Hosea 8:7, and in Numbers 11:31-33 Yahweh used a whirlwind to gather quails for meat for the Israelites. Paul in Ephesians 2:2 calls the devil the “prince of the power of air” and Jesus in Revelation 2:12-13 says that the throne of satan is located in Pergamon which was where the Great Altar of Zeus stood, built by Eumenes II in the 2nd century BC. See the connection?
4. Jesus/Enki said no one can enter the kingdom unless they are “born of _water_ and the Spirit”, he walked on _water,_ turned _water_ into wine, supplied people with “living _water”_ (Holy Spirit), controlled the rain and the waves, his symbol is ichthys the fish 🐟, see the connection?
Your videos are one of my favourite parts of youtube... I just want to highlight how good your delivery is, not only with all the amazing curation and explanation, but also including the awesome quips and humor. Damn, if my teachers were good like that at uni I'd have paid more attention to the classes.
Exposing Gnostics, call that Orthodoxxing
You do not give such a detailed account about something you hate, unless you want others to grasp it. He even offered an explanation of the tears of Sophia by his own understanding and added to it. Sometimes the adversary is your best friend.
One of the best channels on YT without a doubt!
You're good people Dr. Sledge. Thank you for the work you do!
Well, this may officially be the last place I ever expected to find Absolutely Fabulous mentioned. But you did it, and you gave us one more incredible video in the process! Excellent work! And, thanks for all that tedious reading you do for our benefit!
Honestly I think this is the best video you ever produced. Thank you for this.
Simon Magus, can't wait 💛
Thank you for your brilliant and authentic discussion of the early centuries, so pivotal in our many religious foundations. I crave the clarity and illumination this study provides. Blessings to you.
Looking forward to the Simon Magus episode. He's literally on my list of "Topics I hope will be covered on Esoterica."
He gets a really brief mention in the New Testament, which leaves his fate a mystery. And then the extra-biblical literature goes right into fan fiction territory.
And if you do a TH-cam search for historical information on the topic, you're not much better off.
@Pete Testube it’s often known as Apocrypha
Yes bring it on.
There’s a section on Simon the Magus in The Secret Teachings of All Ages by Manly P Hall if you’re interested.
@Pete Testube Acts of Peter
Simon Magus was a fraud.
Thank you so much for this episode very informative and even more entertaining. So much information packed into 40 minutes, amazing!
Best theological shade. :D I just love your sense of humor, Doctor.
You are a fantastic gentleman and scholar and I appreciate the videos you make. I love playing them while working out or cooking.
"Never thought i would find Christ with a Jew"
"What about with a friend?"
"Aye. That i could do"
Love ur vids man lol. LOTR, black metal references, all while being an actual doctor and staying on topic. This is the stuff i miss fron college. U rule dude.
That’s the tragedy of believers deprived of the Original Testament , in its Original language.
Thank you. This is one of your more fascinating videos in an area that I am very interested in learning more about.
What an honest, brave, and entirely unbiased fellow
Who me? Irenaeus? I can guarantee you both of us are biased :)
When I think of Simon Magus I can't help but recall Jack Palance's hilarious portrayal of him as a magical conman in the movie The Silver Chalice, starring Paul Newman. I think it came out sometime in the 1950s and had these interesting Art Deco sets. Newman reportedly hated the movie so it's not well known, but it is worth watching for Jack Palance's acting alone. Also Helen is in it, portrayed by Virginia Mayo!
Sorry, but Simon Magus committed a grave offense that we know today as "Simony", which is a form of bribery.
As I sit here at 1:45am wearing my cherished if ill-fitting Esoterica tee shirt I realize how grateful I am to you for explaining so clearly what was going on culturally and spiritually in the first centuries AD in the history of Western Civilization.
Your channel is filled with so much knowledge and humor, that i can keep coming back to them and learn something new. I need more free time to binge watch!
21:11 that whole section has me rolling. "if you just sit down, you can end suffering if you sit quietly enough"
“When you’re a demiurge, who can hurry.” T. McKenna
Synced upload with Religion for Breakfast again! I love you both!!!
As someone who was raised in the Roman Catholic tradition and who has since become fascinated with the Valentinian stream of Gnosticism, I’ve become convinced that much of what distinguishes Catholic sacramentalism and in particular The Mass, was actually adopted into the developing orthodoxy from these same Valentinians who were eventually rejected and suppressed.
Well. I don't like Gnosticism, but what happened to many Gnostics is appalling. Remember the Albigensian Crusade? That one saw many, MANY Gnostics (in this case, Cathars) get gruesomely slaughtered until they were extinguished.
Irenaeus, as a source is a fantastic look at detailed, explicitly painful and overwhelmingly detailed exposition of the variations of theology of the time. This work appears to be a much more accurate depiction of gnosticism, and a good source for journeying gnosticism today.
Personally, I've found the texts of "defamation", intentionally written to condemn various ologicals, to be truer words, more accurate (painfully at times) and better representative than theological teachings of the subjects today from modern review and works.
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I'd love it if you'd cover the Emperor Julian sometime
You had me both wanting to and fearing reading this text... until you gave a Silmarillion comparison. Sold
Best channel on yt
46 minutes🥰 I’m already loving it
Another wonderful video!
Enjoy listening to you explain these academically! Glad I found this channel.
Thoughts on the more contemporary notion of the Logos actually being an altered state where the word of god(s) themselves, took on idea-graphic qualities while writing the words of god(s, as many religions have a foundational understanding of the power of sound/word/symbol/syllable).
Which is to say, the characters of the typeface would reveal shapes (we call this Gestalt) while writing, thus giving us some of the symbols we have? Did the "word" as it was being transmitted, and the letters/sigils of the words, become logos? What we today call, Graphic Design. And subsequently, when a logos would appear, perhaps the anthropological art would then emerge as a way to give narratives to the logos that would appear, while writing-
A kind of automatic writing/corpse writing, that for people whom were not artists perse, but through a creative intellect, would see the IHS, or OWL, or LOGOS as a graphic shape-?
For example; The Word "logos" in upper and lowercase letters, looks very close to a dragon facing east (right). The tale is the L, the face/tongue, being the S. And of course, the Sacred G being the point of transference for the logos.
Dull Disclosure, I've been building brands and designing marketing identities for companies for over 30 years. We create logos this way, very often, within the industry basically responsible for mass-logos-bathos-pathos.
Thank you for all the scholarly work you share with us.
here we o!! heck yeah now i got a reason to not get out of bed for another 45 min
@Esoterica Excellent video, as always. On the Wisdom being ignorant thing, I think maybe you hit the nail on the head without realizing. Sophia is Wisdom, not Knowledge, not Gnosis, she is Understanding not tempered by Gnosis, leading to the deformed creation of Yaldabaoth. It seems to me this is the entire point in a nutshell, the religion is not about faith or even wisdom necessarily but Gnosis, knowledge is the secret spice that enables salvation, without it even Wisdom is corrosive and deformed. I'm not a master scholar of the many schools of Gnosticism so take my interpretation with a grain of salt but from what I do know it seems internally consistent.
Pretty intersting video. I will say in though in response to Irenaeus's claim that how could Sophia could of fallen and create the demiurge if she was "wisdom".
The reason Sophia fell and created the demiurge was that she rejected the Logos (divine reason and her eventual divine partner). The Logos is intellectual reasoning and rationality, whereas Sophia is emotional reasoning and moral judgement. So essentially she rejected rationality and reason and only used her gut instincts (just used her emotional faculties) to make her decisions. There is a moral in this story, being "feely" is worthless if you don`t balance it out with being “thinky”. Wisdom without reason is useless, and pretty dangerous.
Theres a good talk by Seneca in his series of Letters that covers this topic. That it is good to have wisdom, but to be wise is not necessarily a virtue, because you don't become wise by reading books of wisdom, you become wise by making mistakes. Sometimes those mistakes aren't worth the price of wisdom, especially in extremely feudal societies.
@@alem8100 Irrraneus is talking about the gnostic eschatology, not Jewish scripture.
@@alem8100 Gnostics believed that all the aeons were emanations of the Highest God, essentially derived from and an appendage of His divinity. The aeons would and could not exist without Him. They are much more equivalent to the idea of angels as extensions of God rather than gods in their own right.
@@comradegarrett1202Maybe. BUT they're a flawed religion.
Great video. I was laughing at loud at those captions you put underneath the images. No joke, I would pay money if you published a book of religious art with funny captions beneath them :)
YO THIS ABSOLUTELY SLAPS - ARE YOU GETTING YOUR TOPICS FROM INSIDE MY MIND?!
Coming from a team #orthodorks perspective, the terms "Catholic" and "Heretic" came to be contrasted as characterizing the dialectic you point out here. The "Kato holos" approach isn't "universal", the way we mean it, but "according to the whole" or "holistic." The "chooser" is one who collapses a complex issue to cut a Gordian knot, like Marcion did by throwing out the Hebrew scriptures as the work of a demiurge to "solve" his perceived problems with the text rather than looking at it further.
Now, that's one thing. But Gnostics were warping theology, which is why they were deemed heretics.
Thanks!
can’t wait for you to cover Simon Magus ! 2024 ??
Love the reference to the silmarillion, it has made studying history/religion/myth/language much easier! Thanks Tolkien
Well. But Tolkien was a Catholic. And the Legendarium he brought to us is very much the opposite of Gnostic thought.
@@ludonymous526 most things are just relative extremes. But what tends to be consistent is literary forms and mostly what I found from tollkien was a sophisticated romantic literary mode which tends to never leave humanity, and was even used by gnostics
@@iniglowee Well. Some things, at least. But I was here to mostly point out that Tolkien was a Catholic. But either way, there's a reason why his work is so great.
I appreciate using The Young Pope photo there, I highly recommend the show and the sequel The New Pope.
Yes! I preferred the first one but also enjoyed the second.
Excellent content
The fastest draw on youtube!
@@TheEsotericaChannel apart from last week. I had COVID.....
@@TheEsotericaChannel apart from last week. I had COVID.....
@@TheEsotericaChannel apart from last week. I had COVID.....
@@evans808274mc9la Oh, brother! Hope you'll feeling better or 'on the mend' as they in your neck of the woods.
I appreciate your incredible videos so much! ❤
You're always on point, but you've matured like a fine sarcastic absinthe...😆👏 Great episode 🙏 ...and in all the Apocryphal Christian tomes Christ is crucified at 49, for whatever that's worth, it seems to be consistent across many sources 🤓
@@TheLincolnrailsplitt , Paul, Saul of Tarsus, Simon Magus, and Flavius Josephus are all the same personage... There's a lot to discover for the discerning seeker😉
It’s kinda comforting to see that the early Christian movements had the same questions and reasons for splitting as I had. I trust that Paul guy as far as I could’ve thrown him…when he was alive.
Quite informative. Thank you sir.
I do prefer the Silmarillion, thank you sir~
Another great episode.
Excellent work, as is your custom. Thank you, kind sir.
I definitely wanna know more about polycarp
Wow..apologists beware your commitment to your task surely involves this. Thank you Dr. Sledge, for your endurance and for providing a road map for investigation.
How about a video on the "Bardda" and the Druids
bravo, had some good laughs making dinner. you make this all so fun. thank you
Team gnostic thanks you for this video!
Have u made a video on basidilean gnosticism?if so plz make one lol
Looks like Plotinus got in a pretty serious bar-fight there.
Hello & thank you for your works. I am trying to gather more information & unfortunately I cannot make out, or discover via homonym searches, what exactly you're saying. Ebionites vs ?Marthian? (as I think I hear it being said). The captions give mixed interpretations which led to varied searches. Scanning comments & related articles have given me a short list of similar things to research: Martinism, "Cerinthus and Merinthus," Maronites, & others, but each lead has conflicting details from what you're citing. My last effort before posting here, got me to "Marcionism" which is in the right time frame with matching details, but I'm hoping for a definitive answer that I / we are cross referencing the same concept.
Thanks again for your content & videos. 8)
You'll need to look up irenaeus if you want more specific details - all these groups are dealt with there....for better and for worse
I Love your Humor tackling these complicated devicive (?) subjects
One thing you didn't mention but I'm sure you came across are the reasons *why* Irenaeus said Jesus lived through and redeemed the five stages of life. Basically he's using numerology here. I can remember only two of his reasons: one the hand has five fingers 👋 and two the Roman execution cross ( _crux_ ) has five ends and high points: two longitudinally, two laterally, and one in the middle: on which last rests he who is affixed with nails.
Now you may think this five-pointed cross was a bunch of crazy but Justin Martyr said the same thing in his _Dialogue with Trypho_ 91, and Seneca Minor's _Moral Epistles_ 101.10-14. Sometimes I had to look into the Old Latin and Koine Greek texts to verify what they were saying, so in my research I did that across the board.
There are also two graffiti and a gemstone verifying this:
Pozzuoli Graffito
Vivat Crux Graffito
Bloodstone Gem at the British Museum
Happy findings!
Yeah, never got a Bar Mitzvah 'cause I too had some issues with Moshe Avinu went up to Mt. Sinai and got some rocks 🤣.
We need some GNOSTIC GNERD t-shirts now!
Easy, mister.
In regards to your point on Irenaeus believing Jesus to be much older, and I could be misremembering, but I believe in City of God, Augustine made the same argument using John 8:57 where the jews said you have not yet attained to the age of 50 years and you have seen Abraham. I do believe it was Augustine in city of god that made the argument had he been in his thirties they would not have used 50 years but 40.
Their telling and descriptions of Archons is enough to make me a Gnosticism enthusiast.
They basically warned us of modern day gray aliens as decievers.
Gnostics are crazy nuts.
Well. That's one thing. But Gnostics themselves were deceivers.
One time at Sunday school I asked why the dinosaurs aren’t mentioned in the Bible and had my hand smacked with a ruler and spent the rest of the day standing in the corner. Religion in a nutshell.
Good question. Poorly prepared teacher and response to it.
God doesn’t have a problem with our questions. Much like Truth.. the Holy Spirit Resonates and harmonizes the Chord.. and fine tunes the discord.
Sorry for your experience.. but I really do understand. God is Perfect.. but the ones who are tasked with Exposition.. are very far from It.
There aren't raccons in the bible, yet they still exist. Bible bad! Also, Job 40:15-24.
Yeah…I’m guessing this never actually happened. Sounds like a poorly written scene out of a very woke film
What century was it when people regularly got smacked with rulers? Did you grow up in the 1860s?
@@harpsichordkid Cotporal punishment in school was allowed til late 20th century, some well into late 1990s . Wow you must be young. Boomers got hit, and some of Gen X, even if Xers were not hit, they remember the controversy. The issue of whether to stop corporal punishment was debated on the news when I was a teenager in late 1990s. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. This story was easily the norm in catholic school through the 1960s everywhere in US. Corporal punishment wasnt banned in US on average til the 1990s, and that includes public school, not just religious. Some states it was earlier, in late 1970s or 1980s, others it was very late 90s. Go ahead and research this.
@@rickwrites2612 You know what Sunday School is right? It’s not grade school. Neither my 88 yo grandmother or my 104 yo great uncle have heard of people being smacked with rulers in Sunday school, so if this is an age thing, they should be old enough to have seen it. And, btw, both private and public schools still have corporal punishment. Maybe not in the area you live. Did you read the comments or were you just looking for an opportunity to complain about how times are changing and young people don’t know stuff?
Irenaeus was born in modern day Turkey as was his quasi Gnostic rival Marcion but in towns quite far apart (Izmir being west coast and Sinope north coast) but not quite as wide as the spiritual gulf twixt the two gentlemen.Was that a train honking in the background or one of the Prison Guards of Reality?
Screenshot @29:18!!!!
Love the Terminologies, 😎
Best Sniglets of the Day!
And I’m squarely in the Middle of the 2.. poor beastie..🤷♀️
True story,
I couldn't find a copy of any of the previous books when I got into Tolkein, so I read Silmarillion first.
Speaking of Passover; some Christians have started celebrating Passover. This has angered some Jewish groups, are there any doctrinal basis for this?
Growing up in the Catholic Church my mom and dad had a prayer group they'd meet with and do bible readings and all that jazz, they would celebrate the Passover every year and I did it with them twice, which was kinda neat. At that point in time I was only vaguely aware of why that may or may not be okay with the Church but the adults all seemed casual and I don't ever remember it being all hush-hush. It's funny to look back at it knowing what I know now about all the early Christian beefing.
I'm not even remotely Gnostic. On the contrary, my show is the exact opposite. But I really enjoy your show. Especially this episode 👍
Very nice!!!
I dub thee St. Iranaeus the Dangerously Based
Holy shit GnosticNerds vs Orthodorks. I want that on a shirt.
Ok i went to valentinian video and came back, im ready
I love your stufff. Grinning
Hypatia that you mentioned was a pagan living in Alexandria who was skinned alive by Christians in the 3rd Century. Somebody really riled up the Christians in third century Alexandria, who was it ?
4th century, she was killed in the early 5th. It was a mob attack, maybe Cyril had a hand in it though it isn't clear.
Definitely Cyril with a bunch of hatespeech IMO. He's responsible for destroying the local Serapeum and its attached library.
@@edwardmiessner6502 The decline of civilization and the rise of Christianity :/
Wait, there’s no academic translations of Iraneus?
Time to learn ancient greek I suppose.
And Latin and aremenian
@@TheEsotericaChannel Didn't you say the original was all in Greek though?
@@2tehnik the Greek original only survives in fragments, mostly in the first few books
@@TheEsotericaChannel So is latin the second best thing? In the sense of being old and complete.
@@2tehnik It only complete survives in Latin, though the translation isn't great.
The invisible War. I would like a tee-shirt with the enunciated "Christi-ani-tees!" 4:35
Dr. Justine what do you say: if I consider myself an Orthodox christian but do not believe everything that Orthodox christians believe, does this make me an Orthodork ?? 😅
28:15 'Plotinus has entered the chat' 🤣🤣🤣
@ESOTERICA Have you ever heard of or read the Bartimaeus trilogy? It's a series of easy-read novels about an alternate history where London mastered magic, i.e. the summoning of invisible demons to perform what we imagine as typical magic. Definitely seems like it was at least a little inspired by traditional "real world magic".
Dang I love conic sections. Visual differential geometry and forms is on my bedside; Hope i dont summon a shaitan.
It's ok if you do, glad you love conic sections too !
Omg you cursed in 21:07
I didn't expect that coming for you 😂
The Dimeurge was created from Sophia encountering the primordial matter.
Fantastic!!!
Year late but, i loved reading Tolkien to my grandkids but they found Star Wars and Marvel super heroes. Oh well
❤ your sarcasm 🤘🔥🤘
I feel so SEEN
This episode was so much fun to make!
@@TheEsotericaChannel I can tell; you're positively giddy at times and it keeps cracking me up how much you're enjoying the shade throwing
@@ktkatte6791 It's true! It's a pity this stuff goes so understudied and when it does, it's always presented as so dry and 'academic' in the worst sense of that word. The material deserves so much better.
@@TheEsotericaChannel one thing I'm noticing, is that old esoteric texts are anything but dry. Or Neerav is a screed against critics with a side of insight. The apocryphon of john is basically a dale gribbled version of genesis. The mirror of simple spuls is a one humble nun dunking on her idiot male contemporaries
Ancient religion is full of shade and I'm here for it
@@ktkatte6791 oh yeah you should read Martin Luther - he is constantly calling his opponents all manner of colorful names
He's a Saint in the Eastern Orthodox Church ☦ very based stuff👌 love your channel from a #teamorthodork
Pls become Ordodox :D
I bought a Gnostic Prayer book that includes rites and rituals, can anyone recommend any work pertaining to practical gnostic work?
Thank you
Dr. Sledge, I’m SHOCKED! I’m a Pastafarian and you did not deign to offend me? Sheez !! 😂😅 …. Seriously man, this is a really cool analysis!
May his noodly appendages forever guide your path to the beer volcano and stripper factory. Arrr!
Have you discussed Manethos Aegyptica?
Nah
You WOULD be a Silmarillion nerd! I am SO not surprised. lol
ty very much ~