Medium Format Film Photography - Getting Into Filters
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ABOUT THIS VIDEO
As I say in the video I hardly use filters and I am a strong believer in trying things out for yourself. I often use an Orange or Red filter and I know where they suit in my photography, however, the yellow and green filters I hardly use. So I've decided to use them more often starting with the Yellow Filter and experiment with this filter when I shoot in future.
This is Ortho film and may have different results with Pan film, I don't know until I try both side by side.
EQUIPMENT USED
CAMERA - Mamiya RZ67
FILM - Ilford Ortho 80
DEVELOPER - Rodinal 1:25 6.5 minutes
STOP & FIX - Fotospeed
ENLARGER - DURST M605
PAPER - Ilford Deluxe MG Pearl Resin
DEVELOPER - Ilford MG
STOP & FIX - FOTOSPEED
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CANON 6D, GOPRO 7 BLACK, TASCAM DR10L MIC, SENHEISSER SHOTGUN MIC,
NEEWER LED PANELS, GVM COLOUR PANELS,
Editing - FCP, PHOTOSHOP, LIGHTROOM
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Glad that you do the dark room part. It is fun to watch different people's process and how they achieve the look they want in their photographs.
Nice job on the video. Having grown up in the film world and processing my own for many years....still do.....it's nice to see other film photographers who use conventional processing as opposed to scanning. Scanning to me falls into the same category of digital photography which I consider computational photography. The challenge of film work is similar to the challenge of painting......requires a different skill level relying on your individual expertise as opposed to software which allows push button alterations or the use of presets to produce an image. My 12 year old grandson is quite adept at this.
The filters were great but the best past was that heartfelt shoutout.
One of the most useful but seldom used filters to use with Panchromatic film is actually the XO Yellow/Green filter. This filter balances the spectral response of the Panchromatic film to brings it closer to a literal rendering of values. With the Ortho film the use of a filter should be treated with caution. A light yellow filter does help to bring the values of the sky down by taking out some of the blue light but too strong a filter and the result is an underexposed and unbalanced negative. If you filter out the blue light, the Ortho film has very little light left to record with. Personally I'd leave Ortho film for indoor use or special projects. It is useful in urban landscape photography of buildings and some portrait or ' arty farty ' nude work.
Interesting. You could tell the yellow filtered negs were a touch less exposed than the non-filtered shots (despite the extra stop compensation given), but it hadn't occurred to me it might be because of the type of film used. So the 'filter factor' has to be treated as a fluid number depending on what the spectral response of the film is ... makes sense. I suppose for a film like Delta 400 that has quite a wide panchromatic range (well into the far red) the filter factor should be reduced a little. Still, a little overexposure is not worth fretting about. Interesting stuff.
@@emotown1 Not only the filter factor should be treated as a guide only, but the quality of the ambient light is also an important factor. A filter would react very differently to early morning light than midday or when totally cloudy and overcast as it is mostly in the UK. A lot of the modern panchromatic film have extended sensitivity well into the near infrared region of the spectrum. Putting a #25 red filter in front of an already red sensitive film can give you unpredictable results. My advice has always been to use filters only when needed.
@@lensman5762 Yes, at different times of day there are varying amounts of atmospheric scattering of the shorter wavelengths going on, overcast notwithstanding, due to the altitude of the sun. As you say, overcast is yet another factor that will affect scattering patterns. And, since the yellow filter will attenuate shorter wavelength scattered light .... yeah that makes sense. Never really thought about time of day before! Regarding Delta 400, I treat it as a film that doesn't need a yellow filter to get that 'yellow filter effect' - it already has such a strong response in the red. But I still experiment, of course. The green filter you suggested sounds like it could be interesting for a film like that, basically attenuating short and very long wavelengths at the same time. I shall investigate sometime .... Nice chatting. Thanks for your ideas.
@@emotown1 likewise. Have great fun and stay safe.
Interesting as I don't use filters for my photography.
One of the great things about your channel is that we can see great results, knowing that it doesn't take thousands of pounds in equipment to achieve great looking prints. Sharing in your knowledge and experience, we can produce great work too.
As always, a great video. Really appreciate your time and effort, that has gone into producing darkroom gold. Thank you for sharing.
I appreciate that!
That is really interesting. I have never tried to use yellow filter with the Ortho film before, but it seems to work very well. In my photography in the horrendously snowy and cold Norway, I find that the yellow filter helps me control the tones in the snow and helps me avoid burning out the snow in images. Also, it lifts the subtle winter skies. I recently did something like that with some frosty buildings and a roll of RPX 25. Thank you for another great video. I learn a lot from you and your work, and I am happy to support.
Your content and photography runs laps around the Thomas Heatons and Peter Mackinnons out there! Keep it up its superlative work!
Cheers Roger!
Cheers Simon!
Oooh. I had to check these out as a result of your comment! Thomas is on my follow list so I disagree with that one! Peter is typically American so I agree with that! However Roger is the main man! Definitely watch his stuff far more than any other photographer out there. Keep up the great work mate and fingers crossed intrepid cameras watch this an take pity on you!
I love shooting with red/orange/yellow filters. pan 50 is great with filtrers. love using yellow filter with my isolette I 120 cam too.
"Vignette the shit out of it" I love it! You crack me up. Well done Mate. You have a great channel. Thanks for all you do.
Cheers Big Al!
Thank you for making these videos! One of my favorite film photography channels
Wow, thanks!
The Ortho film is responding good to the yellow filter, looks great :) Thanks for sharing.
Thank you brother. Absolutely fantastic work.
Cheers Bill
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Love the darkroom part of the videos! Please keep them up 🤘🏻
Thanks William. Nice icon! Gold
I use a yellow/green filter on my Yashica Mat with Fp4. Brings out blue skies and separates greens.
My grandfather used his yellow /green filter on his quarter plate camera. He also taught me how to print in the darkroom.
I have a Kiev 6c 6x6 slr with a 90mm 2.8 Vega lens. I prefer a square format too.
Keep up the good work my man.
I have a Yellow / Green for other cameras. Have to have a go!
Another great video 👍 your learning is helping my learning thank you 🙏🏻
Excellent job - very good indeed. It's amazing how you can get more info from a short video than reading a book some times.
I have literally just bought a yellow filter for my AE-1 and FG, I havent used it yet so this was pretty useful, cheers!
Just take it when you shoot and compare the results on and off. That's what I do. Just remember to compensate when it's on.
Another great video, and two stunning prints as well. 👍 keep up the good work.
Like for the italian beer! :) :D
Excellent channel keep up the great work
Thank you very much!
The french called, they want their fouliáge back :-)
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Feuillage, repeat after me... Feuillage... 😂😂
A few years back when I was doing 4x5 b/w I used my speed graphic strapped to the bottom of my enlarger and it got me pretty close and had more dichroic filters to use.
I enjoyed the video. Thanks. I found that I could really decide if I saw the no-filter and filter images if I saw them next to each other.
It's be interesting to see your comparisons between an ortho and pan film. IME, the yellow filter is more subtle on pan films than what you experienced with the ortho film.
Master class thanks Roger
Thank you for not being one of the "Secret keepers" out there! Love the vid
Lol, thanks for watching
Just what I've been looking for.
Good stuff Roger. If you want to dabble in 4x5 you could try the Harman Direct Positive paper and run it through a pinhole camera. No enlarger or negative, just a print.
Thanks, I was more thinking of 5x4 pinhole and contact prints.
@@ShootFilmLikeaBoss That would be fantastic. I sense a fall down a rather deep rabbit hole😀
Worth every penny (£) Roger. I have yet to stick the roll of orth in my camera but I will soon and I will let you know how I get on. 👍
You'll like it Malc.
I use Lee Black & White Filters, and I couldn't find any information regarding exposure compensation when using Lee Filters, the answer then came to me. Using my Sekonic 858 I take a reading put it into memory, I then take another reading of the same place as the first reading but this time with the Filter on the lens (I use a Lee number 8 Yellow Filter) compare the difference and there is the correct exposure compensation. I do this with all my Lee Black & White Filters and with the results I can program the Sekonic 858 with the results and with the press of a button or two I have the correct exposure from the 858. What I have found the Lee number 8 B&W using the above method I don't have to use any exposure compensation for that particular FiIter. But I see that you are using exposure compensation with the Yellow Filter that you are using in this video. Now, as you are using a Cokin Yellow Filter in this video and, if memory serves me correctly then Cokin only have one shade for each B&W Filter they produce while Lee have 4 different Yellow Filters they are numbers 3, 10, 12, and 15. Maybe the other Yellow Filters in the Lee system (which I at this time have not got) I will need to apply exposure compensation. I would greatly appreciate your views on this matter.
Cheers.
Stuart.
Cheers Stuart. Yes the Yellow is 1 stop, Orange is 2 and red is 3.
Ortho film is already, in effect, filtered. It does not respond well to red light, so it acts something like pan film with a cyan filter. Putting a yellow filter in front of ortho film should, in theory, be like putting a green filter in front of pan film.
It´s not filtered
@@guillermoperezsantos Yes, I know ortho does not have an actual filter. It acts like it is filtered, because it does not respond equally to all colors of light. Panchromatic film does respond nearly equally to all colors of light, so ortho film behaves like pan film shot through a filter that removes red light, a cyan filter.
Great video and pictures man. Your really good at what you do.
Thank you so much 👍
Last time I played with my yellow filter, It was during this summer to test my lubitel 2, and I forgot I had portra 160 in my camera...
Ha ha.
If you want to try out shooting 4x5 (it´s absolutely worth it) you should have a look at "Intrepid Camera". Besides their very cheap large format cameras, they also have an enlarger kit which you can use with any 4x5 camera with a Graflock back. It´s such a brilliant idea! I use the enlarger kit since a couple of month now and it´s really working well! Probably it not as perfect as a normal 4x5 enlarger, but it´s so much cheaper and smaller than an classic 4x5 enlarger! And you also can use this kit with any other format. The only pain with this company is, that it takes soooo long until you get your stuff.
Intrepid have done a great job of providing a reasonably cost entry into the world of large format photography. The film and decent lenses are the more apparent expensive items but also one should cost the film holders, focusing cloth, changing bag etc, etc etc which makes 4X5 photography still quite an expensive proposition.
@@lensman5762 You are absolutely right, though Intrepid has made it much easier to get into large format photography, there are of course some other costs you have to think about. But large format is not that far away as it used to be...and maybe you can start with a cheaper 150mm lens, a black jacket as a dark cloth and used film holders...and I have to say once you have started with 4x5 you never want to be without it anymore :-)
@@TanjaGhirardini Thank you for your reply. I am sorry if I gave the impression that I was a novice in this respect. I do own quite a large 4X5 outfit including a Wista DX and an MPP MK Vii and a Cambo, so one could say that I speak from experience. Learning to shoot 4X5 requires young photographers of digital age to forget all they thought they knew about photography and start all over again, from the basics. It is not only a totally manual operation but also requires a very different state of mind. Learning to see through and using only a single lens is one of them. It has a very steep learning curve which requires practice and the use of very expensive film. I am not at all discouraging people from learning or using 4X5, but they ought to know what they are getting into. The rewards are there though once the mastery of the medium is achieved. I recently heard a US guy advising new comers how to put together a 4X5 outfit. I couldn't disagree more. A 4X5 camera is not a throwaway digital camera with a kit zoom. For those wishing to get into 4X5, the Intrepid Camera Company have provided a reasonably cost entry. I would advise to choose one lens, between 125mm and 150mm as a first lens ( and perhaps the only one ), and start the process.
I have been looking at that system. Thanks.
for someone who takes their black and white super seriously I’m surprised filters aren’t your thing! I find they really do give a lot of control over how the image is rendered. I mostly shoot with a yellow -2 but I don’t like what it does to my skies sometimes. And I guess most of the times I’m too lazy to carry the full set around or swap them out anyway.
Exactly MrRom. I need to venture more with them and understand by seeing the scene how they will help. Orange and Red are my go to when I have blue sky and big fluff clouds. I like that look.
Thanks. Just what I needed. The dark room session is part of the fun.
Have you ever used Ilford XP2 developed in C-41?
I have not Duncan. I made a video a few years back shooting XP2 and developed in BW chems. But C41 is the way to go for that film as it is designed for that. Steve Onions made a good video on XP2 recently.
Cool, Birra Moretti :-)
What did you use to hold the square filters? I am only familiar with screw on filters.
Loved that first print with the pier, or left over from a pier.
I have a more technical question for you Roger. What made you go for the RZ67? I am on the market for a different MF camera. I have a Yashica 635, that was my first TLR and I still enjoy shooting with it but the glass is...meh...so la la. I am under the Zenza Bronica GS-1 spell at the moment without ignoring the SQ-Ai more "traditional" 6x6 with a possibility of metering system.
Curious to hear why the RZ.
Cheers and looking forward to receiving that print of your I got on eBay 👍🏻👍🏻🙏🏻
Hi Jason. My first experience with MF was Mamiya 645. It was long term borrow which I gave back. I then went over to 6x6 Folding cameras because they are cheap and give MF negs. Then a subscriber sent me that Mamiya RZ as a gift. How kind! If I was looking for one and had the money I would have looked at the Bronicas and possibly Mamiya RB. But I love the RZ. It's heavy but feels good. It has a 645 back. I intend to get a 6x6 back some time for it.
Interesting video as usual. But.... What about 🍻 Birra Moretti? Is it important to add some to increase the contrast?
Yes, absolutely
Roger is this your main job or fit all these great videos around another job ?
Try to fit it all in!
good job on the foot protection/ankle protection. Have you thought about doing some glass plate images? Apparently there is no Grain in that type of image. I saw on a channel about photography in the War of Northern aggression in 1861 -1865. they even made a great deal of 3 d images. to be seen using the forerunner of the old vue-master. could be a bit pricey though.
Would you please... Enlarger model?
Durst M605
So after you get your exposure time using your test strip, how do you judge how much time you use to dodge and burn? Thanks and love your vids
Sometimes I use more test strips on just the areas I need to dodge and burn and other times I just take a guess, count in my mind and see how it looks. Cheers Jeffery
The green is great for portrait.
The red is to dark to focus in some medium format cameras XD
You focus without a filter first and then put the filter on. This is the way we learned to do it when using large format cameras, otherwise it would be impossible to focus a LF lens @ F8 or F9 with any filter.
You gotta trust your analytics, but that stinks if people don't like the darkroom stuff. You're pretty much the only game going when it comes to darkroom videos.
It's pretty much 50/50. I get it. Not everyone has a darkroom
"I'm gonna vignette the shit out of it"..lol. Question. I have unopened bag of dektol that expired in 2020, as a noob, is it okay to use? Or should I learn on fresh chemicals? How should I know how much to adjust dev. time for? Also, my enlarger has color knobs on it, I noticed you used a filter to increase contrast during burning, in my case, filters are built in, which "color" of the red/yellow/blue should I be using to increase contrast? Also, what's your opinion on yellow vs red vs orange filters? I wish you did a test on those 3 since they all have varying contrast levels.
If you're new to developing film get fresh chems. Just keep it simple and shoot your film at the speed it says on the box and use the massive dev chart or your films recommendation for development times for your developer. I've videos on using filters. Have a look through till you see the filters on the thumbnails.
You make good content, good presentation, good subjects, well presented, very informative, so don't bleat to much about how hard it is , some of us have to work for a living
Cheers Tony, my point was its nice to see it pay off with the interaction from everyone. Its not full time though. More of a paper round at weekends and Wednesdays 😂
@@ShootFilmLikeaBoss ...point taken, looking forward to the next episode, just wishing for better times for all .
You would have had nineteen thousand if it wasn’t for that.... rock video 🙄🤣🤣