Indian Epigraphy: Fallacies and Biases | Vedveer Arya |
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- Indian inscriptions are the most authentic source of information about the chronology & genealogy of various dynasties, places and historical events etc. Unfortunately, the Epigraphists of the colonial era promoted the methodology of research based on selective acceptance and selective rejection which had not only created numerous fallacies in Indian historical narrative but also nurtured biases about the authenticity of Indic epigraphic sources. The latest epigraphical research based on the traditional chronology firmly establishes the authenticity of all Indian inscriptions.
About the Speaker:
Vedveer Arya is a historian, author, Sanskrit scholar and a researcher in the chronological history of India. He made in-depth study of various epigraphs in original and critiqued the chronology of India put forth by colonial historians and their followers. He is also a civil servant and a senior officer from the Ministry of Defence.
1.11 - Undeciphered Inscriptions in Indian Epigraphy
3.48 - Largest inscriptions found in India
5.07 - Total inscriptions found in India till date
8.09 - Composition of Indian Epigraphy
13.02 - Paleography
15.45 - The Chronological Problem of Indian history
21.30 - The Biases plaguing Indian Epigraphical studies
27.40 - Chronological History of the Indic languages
33.39 - True paleography studies
38.42 - Brahmi Vs Tamil Brahmi
43.32 - Epigraphic Evidence of the existence of Two Saka Eras and two Vikrama eras
45.15 - Saka Era (583 BC) Vs Sakanta Era (78 CE)
50.03 - The so-called 'Forged' Inscriptions of the Chalukyas
55.33 - The Ganga dynasty of Talakkad and Vijayanagara inscriptions
58.25 - Copper plates of Kudali Math (1151 CE)
1.0010 - Firishta mentions Vijayanagara empire's correct reign period
1.03.38 - Q& A session
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Heartening to hear the confirmation that Vedic Samskrutam and Tamizh were born to the same mother. Koti pranams. And more importantly, for laying bare the fact that Samskrutam was the Rashtra Bhasha of Bharatam before the arrival of the Brits. It is high time we Bharateeyas get rid of Christian English and Islamic Hindi as the official languages of this ancient land. The sooner the better.
Hindi born from sanskrit only. Few Persian words occurred in language. No problem even Tamil have sanskrit word. We want get rid academic tradition history and teach real history
@@aniruddhbahuguna5462 No Aniruddh. That is a lie. The Sanskritization of Hindustani is a very recent phenomenon. Hindustani was written in Devanagari only after independence and the grammar was standardized as per Samskruta Vyakaranam only in 1954. Hindi was written all along in Nastaliq only. Just look at the name Hindi. It is Persian. No other Indian language has a Persian name!!!. Hindi is a bastard language that has no original tradition of literature. Gujarati, Marathi and Odiya, for example, have a much richer literary tradition than Harlot Hindi. You cannot write a page in Hindi without Arabic and Persian words. Hindi is verily the hallmark of Islamic subjugation of the Sanathanis. Hindi belongs to the dustbin of Indian civilization.
@@aniruddhbahuguna5462 Tamizh having Samskrutam words is not the same as Hindi. There are Tamizh wrods in Samskrutam too. Do not please equate Hindi and Tamizh. Tha latter can only be compared to Samskrutam. The Sanskritization of Hindi is a post-independance thing. Hindi grammar was born only in the fifties. Harlot Hindi is the only Indian language with a Persian name. Hindi has no literary history worth the name. Harlot Hindi certainly cannot represent Bharatam which has the richest literary history.
@@mojorisin08
I am archaeologist I have seen many rajasthan inscription 700Ad to late 14 Ad inscription in Sirohi. Kingdom persian, Hindi, and sanskrit involvement with local Rajasthani.
Check paramara inscription and mount abu inscription. U will definitely devanagari
I think Indian historians should re-write India's history from stronger evidences within India. We must ruthlessly reject all false foreign narratives.
First tell him to get this published in a reputed journal
They are doing it but this needs to be pushed into kids history syllabus also. Which is currently not happening, all BJP rajya sabha politician holding position as union minister is useless. Just exploiting the opportunity on face value of Modi and amit shah
@@ssrivastava4 It is called "vote bank" politics. BJP is no exception.Unless the historians agree to examine evidence and come to the conclusion the speaker derived from his research nothing going to change. Pity.
@@ggfg8570 vote Bank politics, left wing, right wing,who ever come in power doesn't matter our true identity is our true identity. and that's what really matters now. and the truth shall prevail.
@@AbhishekRajput-np5mc I agree. But when it will prevail that is the question. We have already lost 74 valuable years in protecting and projecting our identity till date. A new dawn is a must and another tryst with destiny. So be it.
Listening to Arya ji, I feel we have lots of educational institutions but they don't educate how to study. My pranams to him for his tremendous patience and time in the task he had undertaken.
I am aware of our own fallacies, biases & heuristics! We need more professional studying this
many thanks to ved veerji ..more scholars are needed to study these in detail
comparative number of inscriptions across civilizations (including rock edits) would helpful 🙏
Thanks for your seva of sanatana Hindu Sanskriti and Bharatvarsh 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Sangam Talks, please also have a short highlight video with important parts of the talk, not everyone can follow the whole 1 to 2 hours long talks.
I want these messages to reach to most audiences. Thank you
big family discussion need in India about the history of 4 dharmic families
What is it about?
@@hemasreesomapalle47 to understand one another in the same family
Historians like him makes India great !
Wow what a name sir , Ved Veer Arya
. Also most ancient names
The village of Tamluk (West Bengal) in the year 1987 around 200 plates were uncovered. Those were mostly from 900-1100 CE.
Bharata’s chronology was rejected by the Europeans as it did not suit the Xtian church- how could the Brown natives dare to say that their civilisation was older than their Bibilical flood. We have sadly cowered to their bullying. Hindus must assert themselves!
Hinduism is finished, our historians are colonized
Europeans rejected a lot of greek history and they also revised christian history as per their convenience 😂.
Great video
Lucky to have such scholars doing such great work and Sangam Talks for facilitating
great lecture ... you with nilesh and others who are challenging these errors are doing great job ... a specific narrative should not be called history ... may be this would involves a change of meaning of word "history" which is tough ... so may be we can call true study of history as historiology or some such word ... historiology is a science of validating conflicting ancient material and theories about them ... and we are really lucky in that that our ancients had obsessive recorders of astronomical events ... just as british found bower manuscripts we should relaunch search of ancient writings outside of india ... north indian copper plates may be lost but some of it may have been spirited away to lands outside of india ... we need to change the way history is taught to school children ... we should teach historiology with specific example such as this confusion created by use of word shaka in old shaka era and post-shakant era and other such efforts driving home that a specific narrative is just one theory like in science a theory is not truth and a theory can always be challenged and a new theory can be result of new interpretation of words ... in this case it seems that word shaka started being used as "year" pre- and post shakant even though its meaning had changed because of change of anchor ... teaching historiology rather than a specific narrative story also will give us excuse to teach astronomical texts (such as sury siddhant and other sinddhant texts on astronomy) and dynamic of language and script evolution ... obviously this means we must refrain from teaching any history at all at young age because scientific method cannot be taught to very young people ... when a child has grown up he needs to be taught scientific methods rather than a list of accepted scientific theories ... in the same way rather than teaching a list of stories in the name of history we must teach how science helps making those stories and corrections to them ... in this way really historiology is just a branch of science
Always such a pleasure to listen to Vedveerji's talks. Very informative and factual. Thank You.
You are one of the asset for us ved veerji
Despite all this evidence, DMK fellows run around claiming Tamils are not Hindus :)
As it suits their narrative. These People will agree only things of their interests.
Tamils only invented Hinduism. So called Aaryn's just accepted it.
Crap. Aryan invasion theory is put forth by Britishers and lapped up by communists. Sanskrit is older than Tamil.
@@paarthaw8178 Samskrutam is not older than Tamizh. Go to the beginning of this very presentation and check out where Samskrutam and Tamizh are placed in the linguistic tree diagram.
@@mojorisin08 Vedas are in Sanskrit and Vedas are accepted to be the oldest scriptures/written documents at least in India, so if Tamil was a contemporary language to Sanskrit, then we should have had scriptures/documents of that period in Tamil. The sangam literature is dated modern compared to Sanskrit. All the translations of the epics in Tamil are modern compared to Sanskrit. Can you point to me one literature of Tamil which rivals the timeline of the Vedas (even assuming the modern date of the origin of the Vedas)?
Culture in India was more or less unified one throughout history, hence you can find festivals like Pongal/Sankranthi (harvest festivals) to right till the North of India (Punjab, Baisakhi) and so on. The languages may have been different to regions which is a natural phenomenon but the cultural traditions were more or less similar to various regions.
Britishers invented the Aryan invasion theory to divide and rule India and they were shocked to see such old literature which predated Bible and so on for thousands of years, so to undermine the indigenous origin of Sanskrit, they created all these. The same is carried forward by the nihilists (communists/leftists) and also by the anti-nationals.
I don't need a confirmation from a Britisher/Communist to know about my culture, the epics/scriptures itself are an ample proof which describe the geography of the places in much detail.
Inscriptions on Copperplates do pique my interest because of the LCI-Laguna Copperplate Inscription in the Philippines 🇵🇭
lci also mentions some shaka dates so it would be interesting to know if these dates refer to old shaka era or new post-shakant shaka era
Recent case of Rajasthan (RTI) regarding aurangzeb 👿 & temples will be a turning point in changing false narrative in ncert books
What is that
What did RTI told about Aurangzeb
@@gopichand6640 In RTI case, answer from NCERT was we don't have proof that Aurangzeb built/restore Hindu temples still we mentioned it.
@@blackpole5936 BJP rajya sabha member holding position in union ministry is useless. Remember how Javadekar shamelessly said 'Not written a single history chapter in 4 years'.
Even for OTT he said 'we are not bringing censorship for films on OTT'
These people are just enjoying power on face value of modi ji
@@ssrivastava4 Yup!! no govt have guts to correct our history. Everyone enjoying there honeymoon period time by time....
Good work sir 🙏🙏
One manuscript and copper inscription found Indus inscription.check book of d.p. sharma
Why they have rejected copper plates of Kadambas, Gangas,. And Chalukya, and not others ?
And Vijayanagar also and they have not left Eastern ganga also
Great Talk
Sir, can please put all the collections into a smart documentary/books as proofs, and make it a branch of history where students would like to study as restoration process
1. The Chronology of India - From Mahabharat to Medieval Era, Volume 1
2. The Chronology of India - From Mahabharat to Medieval Era, Volume 2
Both are available on Amazon.
The Rigveda
HYMN LXXXI. Visvakarman.
1. HE who sate down as Hotar-priest, the Rsi, our Father, offering up all
things existing,-
He, seeking through his wish a great possession, came among men on earth
as archetypal.
2 What was the place whereon he took his station? What was it that
supported him? How was it?
Whence Visvakarman, seeing all, producing the earth, with mighty power
disclosed the heavens.
3 He who hath eyes on all sides round about him, a mouth on all sides, arms
and feet on all sides,
He, the Sole God, producing earth and heaven, weldeth them, with his arms
as wings, together.
4 What was the tree, what wood in sooth produced it, from which they
fashioned out the earth and heaven?
Ye thoughtful men inquire within your spirit whereon he stood when he
established all things.
5 Nine highest, lowest, sacrificial natures, and these thy mid-most here, O
Visvakarman,
Teach thou thy friends at sacrifice, O Blessed, and come thyself, exalted, to
our worship.
6 Bring thou thyself, exalted with oblation, O Visvakarman, Earth and
Heaven to worship.
Let other men around us live in folly here let us have a rich and liberal
patron.
7 Let us invoke to-day, to aid our labour, the Lord of Speech, the thoughtswift Visvakarman.
May he hear kindly all our invocations who gives all bliss for aid, whose
works are righteous.
HYMN LXXXII. Visvakarman.
1. THE Father of the eye, the Wise in spirit, created both these worlds
submerged in fatness.
Then when the eastern ends were firmly fastened, the heavens and the
earth were far extended.
2 Mighty in mind and power is Visvakarman, Maker, Disposer, and most lofty
Presence.
Their offerings joy in rich juice where they value One, only One, beyond the
Seven Rsis.
3 Father who made us, he who, as Disposer, knoweth all races and all things
existing,
Even he alone, the Deities' narne-giver,him other beings seek for
information.
4 To him in sacrifice they offered treasures,-Rsis of old, in numerous troops,
as singers,
Who, in the distant, near, and lower region, made ready all these things
that have existence.
5 That which is earlier than this earth and heaven, before the Asuras and
Gods had being,-
What was the germ primeval which the waters received where all the Gods
were seen together?
6 The waters, they received that germ primeval wherein the Gods were
gathefed all together.
It rested set upon the Unborn's navel, that One wherein abide all things
existing.
7 Ye will not find him who produced these creatures: another thing hath
risen up among you.
Enwrapt in misty cloud, with lips that stammer, hymn-chanters wander and
are discontented.
this is going towards monotheism, but sanatan dharma is about all inclusive all hindu gods are forms and manifestations of formless as well as with formed creator, a creator can also become creators because he is creator. just will just have to multiply himself and now it's going towards paganism, both are one and same nothing right or wrong
@@animax1034 according to rigveda and even gita all gods and godesses are secondary to the Ultimate creator beyond reality and also inside the reality.
In india brahmins say they are at the top, however in rigveda Vishwakarman is the top and their is only one community in india that follow as written in rigveda the vishwakarma community. They are the original authentic knowledge holders.
@@thefive5736 there is one at the top, not brahmins nor vishwakarmans, sanatan dharma believes in vasudhaiva kutumbakam which means whole world is a family, there is nothing like pure blood, half blood, or quarter blood in one family.
secondary does not mean lower or less importantbecause afterall they are manifestations of same creative force, if they were not manifested then there would have been no proof of god, which we can see
@@animax1034 I'm mainly talking about the misconception of what is the indian hierarchy we have been fooled into believing it is brahmins which is not the case.
The knowledge I'm talking about is non religious knowledge also that is the driving force of society universal truth that is Vishwakarma similar to freemasonry as the key is development and sharing superior knowledge to all. So the most authentic original group from rigveda still practising as from start is vishwakarma people.
Prakrit was spoken language in ancient India but it was very much similar to sanskrit with little variation in phonetics of 25% of vocabulary.
Solid scholar
So many things
SR Rao has deceiphered the so-called "Indus Script" decades ago. I read this in a book by Shrikant Talageri named "The Aryan Invasion Theory and Indian Nationalism". The methodology used by Rao as per this book makes perfect sense.
But of course there is no consensus on this as people keep asking for "bilingual inscription" (one in Indus script, and the other in a known script) to verify any proposition. And course, no such bilingual inscription has been found for Indus script.
Sir Please put light on Navasaari inscription.
After corona everybody has to switch on oral teaching
Where are 303k subscribers?
This epigraphical data match Greek literature
Indian history should be re written.
Yogi ji future Prime minister 🔥🚩💪
I'm curious: why would the post-Mahabharata kings decide to use Brahmi script across the country? This period correlates with the Harappan during which the seals could perhaps be used by traders only. In that case, ideally the Harappan script should have evolved as well.
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Has anyone decifered rock edicts Ashoka the great at Kalinga warsite at Dhauli mountain at Bhuvaneshvar.
Sir how is kaliyuga 4248 = 1145 CE when Mahabharat date is still not undisputedly established. Currently 5561 BCE is being proposed as the date for Mahabharat.
We learned wrong history! History of Kadambas, and Gangas goes Back to bc ! . Who is behind this Conspiracy?
Why our researchers didn't dig deep to find out our history and destroy AIT theory
True
big family discussion need in India about the history of 4 dharmic families
@@thefive5736everyone was called Hindu before Britishers
Namastey to All 🙏
When did dev nagri manuscript be identified
If Chandragupta & Ashoka are from 2500 BCE - 1300BCE then that implies Alexander's invasion didn't happen in 326 BCE??
Yes right you are..Alexander invasion happened much before..
I think the claim is that Alexander fought against Samudragupta
@@HsenagNarawseramap So Chandragupta didn't fight Selucid empire? IndoGreeks didn't rule North West India?
@@shyamraa their claim is that Sandrocottus is Samudragupta.
Alexander the great does not exist ,it has no archaeological evidence
I agree. There are many pertinent questions which challenges the current chronology.
The alternative chronology requires a good debate and study.
We’re there any metal inscriptions
🙏🙏🙏
Perhaps Harappa is yet to discover.Archeologists say.
Historians : Indians have no writing knowledge before 600BCE.
Le me : Reading Brihat parashara hora shastra carrying conversation between Maharishi Parashar and Rishi putra Maitreya narrated before Mahabharat war.
What’s your evidence and how authentic is this source?
@@LaxmanKanduri Parashar is Ved Vyas father Ved Vyas have written mahabharat, Ved Vyas is guru of maharashi Jaimini who has written Jaimini upadesh sutras., Brihat Parashar hora Shastra has passed through as a oral tradition which is passed through a Guru to his shishya. That's why it's date of origin is not know but it's older than mahabharat.
Again my question is where’s the plausible evidence for such a statement? See the biases explained by the presenter here. Astronomical dating can possibly explain the discrepancies ...
@@LaxmanKanduri the book it self discusses Vedic astrology read about it.
@@dhrumil_108 How do you know that the contents in the book pertains to the same period that the book was written? How do you authenticate the dating of Parashsra Maharishi accurately without other collateral sources such as astronomical evidences? Please check Nilesh Nilakant Oak’s research which is more in line with Sri Vedveer Arya’s thesis here...
Sir d.p. sharma found bilingual script of Indus. Check his book
Sir tell me about tell me about Telugu language
At least give it a watch of some time
Why so less views
british historians think i have come from central sia as i am from mathura ,, then why m i not fair in colour :(
Can not understand accent
Please show the photos of all the copper plates. Seeing is believing
Google it
Sounded more like personal view like adding own views to prove Vedic religion is the oldest in the absence of any scientific proof
Tamil brahmi is now older than Ashoka brahmi, Ashoka brahmi is only in Ashoka's Sthupa that is Kings Sthupa more over as per Megasthaneees and Indica there is a person appointed near sthupa to read it to the public who wants to know what is written in it. This means the public don't know to read.
Now Tamil brahmi is in pottery, gold biscuits and local village sthupas erected foe the village hero fought against tiger or thiefs to protect cows this shows tamil brahmi is deeply routed and in Sangam Literature there are mention that if an younger brother is educated and elder brother uneducated the statement or words of younger educated one is more valued. In another Sangam poem it is mentioned that uneducated people living amongst educated people is like animals living amongst Human
From the above it is clear that Brahmi script is Tamil origin and copied by Ashoka or by north Indians from south India
Earliest tamil brahmi dated to 600 BC while Ashoka brahmi is 300 BC
Assumptions based on assumptions...
Why have you been sitting on this information for so many years without doing anything about it, i.e. making it available on a database, etc. The nonsensical theories is because there is no proper and half decent institution that has the will to rewrite and contextualize and document a proper history....
political parties like congress are not letting true history to be exposed otherwise they will be exposed, thanks to PM Modi it's happening but still they are fighting to protect their political and abrahamic narratives for communal benefis
beause noone believes ,, i have been studying these pages from decades ,, see pages like tamil and vedas ,, swarajya ... noone gives them platform to speak in the communist world
very bad presentation. He is just telling us some points as bias and fallacies but he is not pointing who said that means no reference to the fallacies and bias which he is talking about
App to CID serial ke Dr. Salunkhe jaise dikh rahe hain..
Vedveer you incorrect of Tamil and Sankrit language. Both these langauge derive from independent langauge families: Dravidian and Indo-Aryan. We shouldn't club these two languages together.
There is a cristian missionary called robert candelwald who first said about Dravida family language and he also said Brahmin aryanisn listen to the raj vedam talks
Yeah one is sanskrit and the other is dravidan that is one of the main conflicts of Sri lanka situation
@@gopichand6640 this issue can be seen in Sri Lanka Sinhalese is Indo Aryan language and tamil is dravdian this was one of the reason for conflict over there.
@@gopichand6640 also the abrahamic and colonial are still big issue India
Indo-aryan syndrome is outdated dogma of colonizers to distort our history for divide and rule benefits and is not real this dosen't synchronize with true indian chronology , they may have invaded but the language was already there in India nobody brought it from outside India, both these languages are pure Indian
Vedveer Arya is speaking in English for whome?. Is this way you set narrative?!! He should speak in Hindi so as to understand by Indians.
For million of Indian, hindi is not mother tongue. For them English narrative is the useful platform to understand our glorious past
Hindi is not my mother tongue so what, shouldn't I speak or listen in Hindi?. Do you believe narrative is built only in English language?? Shameful statement😠 If you see today most people use Hindi script called Devnagri on social media including me and it's very effective to change narration.
Whose bias, whose error? Are your theories based on science? If so, it is easy to correct. Else let's call your theory as tradition
For this you need to study indian ancient history in details...and learn sanskrit..otherwise you wont get it...you are wearing a different lense