Here's another parallell between Batman and Scarecrow : The origin of their costumes is connected to their childhood fears and traumas . While Batman choose a bat costume because remind him of his fear of bats, Scarecrow, in some versions of his backstory, suffered bully due to his physical appearance, with people comparing him to a scarecrow. They both took their fears and insecurities and converted them into the strenght of their new identities.
Crane also originally had a fear of crows (corvidophobia) in his childhood from being thrown in the abandoned chapel thrashed by crows, but then overcame it in adulthood years.
@@TarhosTheKnight so it's also like batman vs owl man. One chose to embrace is fear and the other chose the cowards way out taking the thing his fear is scared off.
What. You’re referring only to new versions of him. The original version of scarecrow was basically pure evil. I want a new version of scarecrow where he went through life with a creepy family. But he was raised on it. A witch for a grandmother a phycology obsessed father. He was bullied in school for being skinny but more importantly because in elementary school he would bring dead birds to school and chase kids whith them. Eventually grandmother died. Dad accidentally kills himself during an experiment and crane decides he wants to follow in his footsteps sort of but only the psychology part. Becomes a professor at age 30. And while still working at the university starts going after counselors and having his services being hired. He gets caught. Batman and Robin almost catch him, he gets away and comes back with the gas and a skull head that causes hallucinations in the mind from the eyes.
There’s a reason my favorite Scarecrow story is Fear of Faith. Scarecrow uses his manipulative skills to turn a small community into a bloodthirsty mob during NML, best part is he didn’t use fear gas at all! That’s the Scarecrow I want to see more of
Another parallel I noticed is that Bruce Wayne had a loving childhood until his parents were killed and he was left alone to fend for himself. Jonathan Crane on the other hand had a traumatic childhood until he was free of his parents (parental guardians) and left to do whatever he pleased! Both events formed them into the Batman and the Scarecrow respectfully.
Something else I realized is that Batman and Scarecrow are more similar than Batman and Joker. One thing is the fear being used as a weapon. Another is that they chose black creatures of flight as a symbol. It is easier to flee from your problems when you have wings. Both run from their identities/past. Bruce runs from the legacy and company his parents left behind as well as his parents deaths when he was a kid. Being batman is his escape. On the other hand Crane uses the identity of the Scarecrow to run from the bullying and pain inflicted upon him as a kid. Also they both became obsessed with what they used for vengeance. Batman first fought crime as vengeance for his parents while Scarecrow used fear gas on those who bullied him. No neither one of them wants to stop, Batman is obsessed with saving people and Scarecrow is obsessed with using fear. If batman were to cross a line I don't think he would turn into the Joker, he would be more likely to become Scarecrow. Say if Bruce went too far and decided that the only way to make criminals afraid to commit crime would be using fear gas or killing, this would most likely combine with his obsession of saving lives. He would begin to do whatever it takes even if that means making all of Gotham scared. He would literally be another Scarecrow. Kind of like Red Hood but far more terrifying.
@Noah Marcolla I want someone they haven’t really done before in live action. Hush would be cool but I really think Wrath would be a perfect fit in this universe. He watched his parents get killed by cops then became a cop hitman
I like that poor vs rich angle. That should be utilized more often. Have Scarecrow prey upon the elite of Gotham because what else would they fear other than losing their money, their businesses, social status. Heck, have Scarecrow take on the court of Owls.
Yes!! Scarecrow would be especially mad that the court of owls use nightmarish hallucinogens and frightful legends to keep folks in line. He’s always been jealous of other fear based villains in his city
that could make for a very good unlikely team up video, starting off with Wayne and Crane vs the Court, then Batman and the Court vs Scarecrow, and then the conclusion where Batman realizes Crane was right about the court of owls and how it represents a bigger problem in gotham
Honestly scarecrow is a direct manifestation of the gothic terror in the hearts of the citizens of Gotham and represents the darkness within the city. It’s definitely a very thematic rivalry as Bruce is often forced to confront the fact that he might be a cause of problems in Gotham, represented by Batman fighting the ultimate symbol of what Gotham is.
I think the Poor vs Rich is a pretty good argument, honestly. Didn't thought of that. But I got more. 1. I would take the fear argument even further: using the same weapon would make for a pretty interesting dynamic between the two. Batman could even question his own methods, looking at the Scarecrow. 2. Scarecrow physicality: he can't take a punch. He is probably skinnier than the Joker. And I think that works perfectly. For the same reason why it works perfectly when the Joker is beaten up by Batman. Wouldn't it look like a defeat, for the dark knight, to have to resort to violence to stop a psicological threat? Plus, Crane is often portraited as a victim of bullies and physical abusers since his childhood. Batman would know that beating him is one of the factor that drove him crazy. Again, Batman could question his own methods, while dealing with the Scarecrow. 3. Scarecrow potential dynamics with every other rogue: Scarecrow could actually be the rogue that scares the sxxt out of other rogues. He spends most of his time whit them in Arkham, He can talk to them, he knows them. I would love to see him as the "Guy that nobody wants to cross path with" in Arkham. But he can't be the Top Dog, if he is not the nemesis. 4. (This one is more of a personal opinion than an actual argument) Waste of potential: the fact that the Scarecrow is relegated as a mean for his gimmicky weapon sometimes makes me angry. Giving him the spotlight for a change would give the writers the obligation to work with the character more than with the gimmick. Scarecrow, with his knowledge of Psychology and Chemicals, could actually make you fear ANYTHING he wants. He could make ANYTHING scary. I remember that, in "Scarecrow: Year One", he uses crows as a "weapon" by tricking them into attacking people with smell. THAT IS SO SCARY. He could use fabricated fake news to make you fear something. Even conspiracy theories can generate fear. Like... He doesn't have to just exploit fears. He could CREATE them. Immagine a series where Scarecrow just makes Gotham fear 1 random thing every now and then. Scarecrow has as much writing meterial as the Numbers of -Phobias in a psychology book. At the end of the day, he could Very well become a "Terrorist with no motivation". He just... Does it because he is good at it.
In regards to number four. I thought f story line where Scarecrow made Batman scared of some nick nack. Dosen't matter what but he has a few of these, and puts them around where he is going to commit the crime. So he keeps getting away, as Batman pauses in fear at the sight of a plush bunny or something.
The last point is interesting... nowadays wanting to "Eat the rich" is very popular, so that would be good angle to present Jonathan as sympathetic despite being pure evil
Symbol for the Poor. That is a great idea for a Crane story arc. Scarecrow rallies a group of homeless people to help him spread fear across Gotham. Since he grew up in poverty he sympathise with those less fortunate. He would still be a terrifying threat but also slightly sympathetic. Why has no one thought of this before?
Yes,someone should indeed do that by making him slightly sympathetic through his symbol for poor angle while still being the most evil monster in Gotham.
I think the Gotham Knight anime played with this idea with Crane becoming a kind of priestly figure to the homeless and forgotten of Gotham’s sewage systems
@@ItsButterBean1020 yeah in gothan knight he become a kind of grin reaper and he was about to kill someone for helping the poor and homeless because he want the homeless to live in pain and suffering
Also they both became obsessed with what they used for vengeance. Batman first fought crime as vengeance for his parents while Scarecrow used fear gas on those who bullied him. No neither one of them wants to stop, Batman is obsessed with saving people and Scarecrow is obsessed with using fear.
The Scarecrow is in many ways the perfect dark mirror for the Dark Knight, That's part of the reason why he's my favorite Batman villain of all time. This is a fun exercise and I really hope this isn't it for this series.
Never actually read a comic. I just know that I can see Hugo - like with Harvey, the psychological effect on Batman he had - being Batman's main villain (again, at least)
I think it would be cool if scarecrow had so fourth wall breaking scenes to add to the horror effect he has similar to Arkham series with the game glitching making it seem like he is really there.
Another reason is that both of them are very intelligent. He was a professor/ psychologist after all. So it is also a battle of the mind anf perhaps a battle of which one of them can break first. Can the Scarecrow break Batman's mind or will the Batman break the Scarecrow's?
@@rodomolina7995 My response is a bit late as I didn't see this comment earlier. My thought which I didn't convene properly was that I mean that Batman would break Scarecow's mind on accident. It also sounded a bit cooler in my mind when I wrote it.
Finally, someone brought up how Scarecrow should be the best manipulator in Gotham! I’m not alone in this! Thank you, Mr. Rogues, for being one of the few comic book TH-camrs to use logic when talking about the Joker, and for not just having the same opinion as everyone else. Also, anther angle you could play up between the two are themes of family and trauma. Bruce’s parents were kind people who were killed in front of him, while Jonathan’s father was a cold-hearted scientist who used his own son as a guinea pig. Bruce, like his parents before him, used that trauma to become a force of good like his parents, and Scarecrow became a sadistic psychopath like his father, and used his trauma to become a force of evil. I don’t know if you’d be willing to do these types of videos for other rogues galleries with slightly (SLIGHTLY being the key word there, for anyone who just wants to hate on these types of videos) overrated arch-enemies, but I’d like to see why either Brainiac or Parasite should be Superman’s nemesis, why Circe should be Wonder Woman’s nemesis (Cheetah is clearly her nemesis based on how frequently she appears, and how much hatred she has for Diana specifically), and why Doc Ock should be Spider-Man’s nemesis (let’s be like Mr. Rogues and be honest and use basic logic here, Green Goblin is his true nemesis, not Venom, the guy he’s barely fought since the 90s, or even Doc Ock, my favorite choice to be his nemesis, it’s the guy who’s caused him the most pain and tragedy, and the guy with a close personal connection to him). Entries like these would certainly give some variety to this series, and could prove to people that think you just hate the J0nker that you actually have opinions and aren’t just doing this to “get more clicks” or “cause drama” or “hate on the best character evAr” or whatever.
And then ones for why Captain Cold or Gorilla Grodd should be Flash's nemesis (or Sonic Striker if we count my fanon ones), and why Ultron or Baron Zemo should be the Avenger's arch enemy?
Scarecrow as the symbol of poverty? Honestly it makes sense more than Joker being the symbol of chaos. By the way, please next up do the Penguin he’s also a potential candidate for Batman’s arch enemy
Well in his Post Crisis backstory Scarecrow was related to the Keeny family on his mother Karen's side, a family in Georgia who'd once been rich but by the time of Johnathan's birth had become poor.
My favourite villain is scarecrow and I agree with you and I kinda feel sorry for him in the Live action tv show Gotham and I want More about of Scarecrow then Just the Joker.
I fucking love how on the thumbnail the joker is just having a mental break down while scarecrow is just accepting that people like him as a arch nemesis for batman
Bats and scarecrows are also classic forms of Halloween iconography. Even scarecrow's hat, sicle, and jackolantern style face scream Halloween. Only other character with that connection is Catwoman (black cats).
I'd be really cool to see the scarecrow go against spiderman as well... :) A Mysterio/Scarecrow teamup would be interesting since both use illusion types of methods.
I felt Jonathan Crane should have been a nemesis to Bruce Wayne on Gotham as they had similar backstories on that show. But like a lot of villains Crane was just reduced to a lackey.
Not gonna lie, I love the Clown Prince of Crime. But my favorite is the Scarecrow and I think this was the perfect argument on why he should be his main nemesis or at least get more recognition and stories with him being the main villain
In the inmate interviews in the Arkham Asylum game we see (or listen to) Scarecrow using his psychological skills to manipulate his therapist who himself is a doctor of psychology but nevertheless gets more and more scared of Crane. And this is without any fear gas until the very end where he releases it and is stopped by Batman.
Imagine you do like it, but with Spider-Man or Superman like having either Electro, Kraven, Sandman, Mysterio, the Vulture or Molten Man as Spidey's arch-enemy instead of Green Goblin nor Dr. Octopus or with either the Parasite, Livewire, Metallo, Conduit, Toyman or Tyrell, from Superman: Earth One, as Sups' arch-enemy instead of Lex Luthor. Also, future ideas for videos of who should be Batman's Arch-Nemesis instead of the Joker: Penguin - Both are from wealthy families where one who using his money to protect peoples while the other using his moneys to commit crimes. Anarky - He was the main antagonist in Beware the Batman. Ra's al Ghul - In some versions, he is one of Bruce's former teachers who teaching him prior of becoming Batman. Hugo Strange - A psychiatrist who's one of the few enemies who manage to uncover Batman's identity. Poison Ivy - Don't why i add her on it. But, maybe you could find a way of maybe giving reasons of why she would be Batman's arch-nemesis or something...
Definitely need one done for Hugo Strange or Black Mask next. Both huge potentials, would be fun to see your takes on why they should be Batman's Arch Nemesis.
@@davidstancu905 Couldn't agree more. The character is criminally wasted most of the time. We just need that one, defining Black Mask comic book story (or film / TV episode) that'll make Sionis a prominent rogue.
I’m surprised they haven’t done more with Scarecrow being poor. I think the one time I’ve seen it being brought up these days is in the ‘66 Batman comic, where Crane came from the poor South. Though I could see why it would come off as tasteless these days.
Some other villains that could be Batman Arch-Nemesis material: The Penguin Black Mask Hugo Strange Catwoman Victor Zsasz The Wrath Lincoln March/Owlman
With scarecrows recent story showing him playing some mind games without a toxin (yet) i’m hoping he’ll be getting another cool story! He’s become my favorite of batmans rouges followed by killer croc! Maybe its the southerner in me pfft!
Ultimately there aren't a lot of deep scarecrow stories, especially with the dark tone people are looking for, but I think the 70s and 80s was a good period for random scarecrow adventures. Especially the Jason Todd era ones.
You make some very good points ! As much as I like Joker, I remember so many instances when he is shown manipulating people by getting in their head and under their skin, which in itself is not a problem (it has been done so much that it has become an expected part of his character), but my problem concerns the methods used to achieve it. They generally fall into one of two types : 1. Calculated : Manipulating people thanks to information gained through research & analysis. Necessitate spending a lot of time and energy paying attention to the people in question, to their background, habits, character, and so on, then more time spent analysing the data before it can yield anything useful. A more calculated approach, mostly based on research and statistics. (I know that the person spent years doing X, therefore in situation Y he probably will do Z). 2. Intuitive : Manipulating people thanks to information gained directly by interacting with them., observing, changing tactics depending on the reaction, and so on. A more intuitive approach, mostly based on social skill and perception. (The person reacted that way when I did X, which might means Y, I should try Z). I can perfectly see the Joker doing the latter, and in fact, many instances showing him manipulating people would fall in this category (including most versions of his seduction of Harley). However, I have more trouble imagining him doing the former... It would take a lot for him to bother paying so much attention to someone else, and sometimes it is difficult to imagine why he would bother. Yes, he might do anything if he thought that he would be a great joke or if he was really bored with nothing else to do, including things which he wouldn't bother doing otherwise... and that is exactly my point : usually he just wouldn't bother with all that tedious research and analysis, all that time focused on someone else. I just wish that it wasn't so often forced on him, that it was more often left for other and more suitable characters instead. It is a pity that we don't often see other characters do it, especially when several characters would be perfect choices. Crane and Harley have the training, skills and knowledge necessary for both types, but it doesn't seem to happen very often. I loved the few instances when Harley actually used her training as a psychologist to manipulate people or to analyse their behaviour, rare though they might be. As for Crane, I don't remember him doing much of anything without his fear toxin except once or twice...
Personally I think it would be cool if scarecrow had a sidekick that was like a teenager like most robin to clash with Batman and show his contradictions as Batman would say scarecrow is wrong for it, but scarecrow would prove how contradictory he is with his Multiple child sidekicks
Another one would be the parallel of their childhood's. Batman's parents loved him and died, Scarecrows parents didn't love him, and they abandoned him.
I remember finding out Scarecrow was in Batman Begins I couldn’t believe it he was my favorite villain in the animated series and he was never seen in live action up until then he really needs more live action appearances
Seeing Scarecrow as a "Master Manipulator" certainly makes sense. Unlike Joker, who constantly complains Batman is "his" and "his alone" to do with as he pleases, Scarecrow doesn't mind using others to "distract" the Bat. After all, a "King" (of Fear) shouldn't have to get his hands dirty when he can have others weaken his objective. And he should be the one have an intimidating presence amongst the other rogues, not the clown. As for the Most Evil, it reminds me of the comment of Arkham Asylum: "I believe he is quite sane, just evil". A cool, composed evil persona is more interesting than a cackling maniac portrayal. Not always though. I certainly do see them as rivals, and the Rich vs. Poor MO really works as a reflection of the two, especially if you go by the Year One origin of the characters, where Bruce practically had the good life, while Crane's was the opposite/miserable. As far as Arch enemy, i'd have to say he could stand with or even surpass Joker, but not alone. To combat Batman's need of Hope/Order, Scarecrow's Fear would need assistance within Chaos, particularly in the form of Harley Quinn. Like how Near couldn't stand with/surpass L or defeat Kira without help from Mello.
I love how in every thumbnail of this series Joker is always in it keep up this series I can’t wait to see the next hilarious Joker thumbnail cameo ( you still haven’t done Pengers )
Anyone think the Mad Hatter could possibly earn the title? Kind of similar to the Joker in terms of craziness. But the biggest reason could be that he is always wanting his Alice to fall in love with him. What if his Alice happens to be Bruce Wayne's blonde girlfriend? I mean how enraged would u be if I kidnapped your girl to force myself upon her against her will? It would be the ultimate test of Batman's self-control of his anger, and a challenge to not break the "no killing" rule.
The Joker is Batman's most popular villain for a reason: He's the wildest wild card. While most of Batman's rogue gallery have a tragic childhood and can sometimes be characters to feel sympathy for, the Joker just goes above all of that. The Joker represents a very thing that Batman never truely got rid of, an entity that Batman keeps existing, like a cootie that the bat refused to wash off: Gotham's terrible state. And since Gotham's state doesn't really have a particular explanation as for why it's so crooked nor a particular type of crooked person, the Joker isn't restricted by any character traits: He could do anything most of the rogue gallery already do, and go beyond their moral. He could be the thug, the rich bastard, the mob boss and anything more. I think that what made him that way is Dark Knight Return and Killing Joke, which played a lot on making the Joker an even more interesting villain. Though, I do agree on the fact that Scarecrow isn't so far from being a very good villain for Batman, and your arguments do hold water.
I thought Bane would be Batman's main arch enemy - Similar Skills * Bane is Both Brains and Brawns just like batman - Polar opposite childhoods * Batman started up at the top (Mansion) and respected, while Bane started up in Prison and got not respect * Both are orphans - Bane actually impoves Batman in a way by Defeating him/Breaking his back only making for batman to rise up and defeat him in a rematch. Bane might have some respect for Batman. Similar to other rival characters in media (Dante and Vergil, Ryu and Akuma, Sabretooth and Wolverine) and they could even be friends in an alternate reality
the Joker manipulative personality wasn't forged into the character after the dark knight movie released, it was a trait of the character he had years before the dark knight, going back as far as batman the animated series, being a manipulative person when he sees fit, like how he manipulated Harleen Quinnzel to pitty him,
Manipulation makes Sense with any character that is a psycopath, it's a Very Common characteristic even in real life. But I do agree that scarecrow should have an Edge in that department
You know, I think The Penguin could be Batman's arch nemesis too. Here are my arguments to prove my point: 1) They are both the richest people in Gotham; 2) Their themes are related to the animal world; 3) The Penguin is a crime lord. You can write more argumets, if you have any.
No way….. Not over Joker’s history and awesome stories he is a part of. Scarecrow and Bane also beat out Penguin. But Penguin like Crane ….. they both are underestimated and underrated.
you should do a fan casting video for the batman 2021 because a lot of the time people have no idea of what their talking about when casting these beloved characters and purely base it on looks but you seem to be an expert so you'd be perfect.
Nice video! A man shaped by childhood trauma he never healed from, and a psychologist/psychiatrist obsessed with inflicting trauma. What could be a better match than that? And the poverty angle is definitely interesting, but it might give him a sympathetic edge that could be somewhat incompatible with the "most evil man in Gotham" point.
I like how Scarecrow has actually developed his own martial art based off of (funnily enough) Crane style Kung-Fu, that he calls violent dancing, making good use of his lanky frame and long reach. IIRC, he developed it as he was seriously bullied by jocks as a child and developed it out of necessity before he was able to utilise his most formidable weapon - his mind (and genius level intellect)! So Dr Crane is not a one trick pony relying only on the gimmick of his fear,toxin, but also his genius and his own martial art. Hel, he has used his chemistry genius to develop an artificial bird pheromone that he spays people with that causes aggression in bird life thus the birds attack them. Of course Batman has mastered every martial art including all the animal styles of Kung-Fu so he is a master of crane style Kung-Fu himself, so would be familiar with it but Scarecrows version is unique in that he is the Sifu of it and hasn’t trained any students in his system. Scarecrow is my favourite of Batman’s rogues gallery, but I don’t agree he is the polar opposite of Batman as both use psychological warfare and genius intellect as formidable weapons in their respective crusades.
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Here's another parallell between Batman and Scarecrow : The origin of their costumes is connected to their childhood fears and traumas . While Batman choose a bat costume because remind him of his fear of bats, Scarecrow, in some versions of his backstory, suffered bully due to his physical appearance, with people comparing him to a scarecrow. They both took their fears and insecurities and converted them into the strenght of their new identities.
Wow that is interesting
Crane also originally had a fear of crows (corvidophobia) in his childhood from being thrown in the abandoned chapel thrashed by crows, but then overcame it in adulthood years.
@@TarhosTheKnight so it's also like batman vs owl man. One chose to embrace is fear and the other chose the cowards way out taking the thing his fear is scared off.
What. You’re referring only to new versions of him. The original version of scarecrow was basically pure evil. I want a new version of scarecrow where he went through life with a creepy family. But he was raised on it. A witch for a grandmother a phycology obsessed father. He was bullied in school for being skinny but more importantly because in elementary school he would bring dead birds to school and chase kids whith them. Eventually grandmother died. Dad accidentally kills himself during an experiment and crane decides he wants to follow in his footsteps sort of but only the psychology part. Becomes a professor at age 30. And while still working at the university starts going after counselors and having his services being hired. He gets caught. Batman and Robin almost catch him, he gets away and comes back with the gas and a skull head that causes hallucinations in the mind from the eyes.
There’s a reason my favorite Scarecrow story is Fear of Faith. Scarecrow uses his manipulative skills to turn a small community into a bloodthirsty mob during NML, best part is he didn’t use fear gas at all! That’s the Scarecrow I want to see more of
Indeed.
Fear of faith? I'm looking for it can't find it
@@strawberryh7652 It's one of the first stories in No Man's Land. Like a mini-arc in the event
Scarecrow is just like Freddy Krueger. Just by the way He Toys with Victims Like Krueger does.
Another parallel I noticed is that Bruce Wayne had a loving childhood until his parents were killed and he was left alone to fend for himself. Jonathan Crane on the other hand had a traumatic childhood until he was free of his parents (parental guardians) and left to do whatever he pleased! Both events formed them into the Batman and the Scarecrow respectfully.
And scarecrow like Hugo strange understands Batman on a mental level able to break him down to just a person
Something else I realized is that Batman and Scarecrow are more similar than Batman and Joker. One thing is the fear being used as a weapon. Another is that they chose black creatures of flight as a symbol. It is easier to flee from your problems when you have wings. Both run from their identities/past. Bruce runs from the legacy and company his parents left behind as well as his parents deaths when he was a kid. Being batman is his escape. On the other hand Crane uses the identity of the Scarecrow to run from the bullying and pain inflicted upon him as a kid. Also they both became obsessed with what they used for vengeance. Batman first fought crime as vengeance for his parents while Scarecrow used fear gas on those who bullied him. No neither one of them wants to stop, Batman is obsessed with saving people and Scarecrow is obsessed with using fear. If batman were to cross a line I don't think he would turn into the Joker, he would be more likely to become Scarecrow. Say if Bruce went too far and decided that the only way to make criminals afraid to commit crime would be using fear gas or killing, this would most likely combine with his obsession of saving lives. He would begin to do whatever it takes even if that means making all of Gotham scared. He would literally be another Scarecrow. Kind of like Red Hood but far more terrifying.
@@two4328 Mind if use this.comment for an essay?
Batman "Criminals are a superstitious cowardly lot."
Scarecrow. "Hold my beer."
If THE BATMAN gets a sequel I want Scarecrow to be the main villain!
Imagine Robert Englund reprising the role from Injustice
@Noah Marcolla We don't talk about him on this channel.
@Noah Marcolla I want someone they haven’t really done before in live action. Hush would be cool but I really think Wrath would be a perfect fit in this universe. He watched his parents get killed by cops then became a cop hitman
@@ItsButterBean1020 oh lord that would be amazing, imagine if the live action is the design scarecrow has from Injustice
@@therobotengineer9834 I think I’d like a creepy costume that looks like an actual scarecrow that was hung up.
I like that poor vs rich angle. That should be utilized more often. Have Scarecrow prey upon the elite of Gotham because what else would they fear other than losing their money, their businesses, social status. Heck, have Scarecrow take on the court of Owls.
Yes!! Scarecrow would be especially mad that the court of owls use nightmarish hallucinogens and frightful legends to keep folks in line. He’s always been jealous of other fear based villains in his city
@@GreaterGrievobeast55 exactly
that could make for a very good unlikely team up video, starting off with Wayne and Crane vs the Court, then Batman and the Court vs Scarecrow, and then the conclusion where Batman realizes Crane was right about the court of owls and how it represents a bigger problem in gotham
Scarecrow as a Zodiac Style master of Fear would be insane
Especially since that seems close to what the Batman is doing with their take on Riddler
Scareowl
Honestly scarecrow is a direct manifestation of the gothic terror in the hearts of the citizens of Gotham and represents the darkness within the city. It’s definitely a very thematic rivalry as Bruce is often forced to confront the fact that he might be a cause of problems in Gotham, represented by Batman fighting the ultimate symbol of what Gotham is.
scarecrow should been used more as a main villain
He is being used to the current storyline of the main Batman book. He even has a new design
@@Dhampir101980 And he’s never looked scarier or more severe then ever.
@@househeadericmd agreed!
I think the Poor vs Rich is a pretty good argument, honestly. Didn't thought of that. But I got more.
1. I would take the fear argument even further: using the same weapon would make for a pretty interesting dynamic between the two. Batman could even question his own methods, looking at the Scarecrow.
2. Scarecrow physicality: he can't take a punch. He is probably skinnier than the Joker. And I think that works perfectly. For the same reason why it works perfectly when the Joker is beaten up by Batman. Wouldn't it look like a defeat, for the dark knight, to have to resort to violence to stop a psicological threat? Plus, Crane is often portraited as a victim of bullies and physical abusers since his childhood. Batman would know that beating him is one of the factor that drove him crazy. Again, Batman could question his own methods, while dealing with the Scarecrow.
3. Scarecrow potential dynamics with every other rogue: Scarecrow could actually be the rogue that scares the sxxt out of other rogues. He spends most of his time whit them in Arkham, He can talk to them, he knows them. I would love to see him as the "Guy that nobody wants to cross path with" in Arkham. But he can't be the Top Dog, if he is not the nemesis.
4. (This one is more of a personal opinion than an actual argument) Waste of potential: the fact that the Scarecrow is relegated as a mean for his gimmicky weapon sometimes makes me angry. Giving him the spotlight for a change would give the writers the obligation to work with the character more than with the gimmick. Scarecrow, with his knowledge of Psychology and Chemicals, could actually make you fear ANYTHING he wants. He could make ANYTHING scary. I remember that, in "Scarecrow: Year One", he uses crows as a "weapon" by tricking them into attacking people with smell. THAT IS SO SCARY.
He could use fabricated fake news to make you fear something.
Even conspiracy theories can generate fear.
Like... He doesn't have to just exploit fears. He could CREATE them. Immagine a series where Scarecrow just makes Gotham fear 1 random thing every now and then. Scarecrow has as much writing meterial as the Numbers of -Phobias in a psychology book. At the end of the day, he could Very well become a "Terrorist with no motivation". He just... Does it because he is good at it.
In regards to number four. I thought f story line where Scarecrow made Batman scared of some nick nack. Dosen't matter what but he has a few of these, and puts them around where he is going to commit the crime. So he keeps getting away, as Batman pauses in fear at the sight of a plush bunny or something.
The last point is interesting... nowadays wanting to "Eat the rich" is very popular, so that would be good angle to present Jonathan as sympathetic despite being pure evil
Also, "Eating the rich" is more often used by rich kids who want to distance themselves from their own wealth
I was waiting for this video ngl, scarecrow is my favourite villain and he's the most interesting one in my opinion
Mine too
Same.
Omg ikr?!
I hate how he’s always under used
@Rob Mohamedally i honestly don't know, i can rarely find comics here so i have no way of knowing
Symbol for the Poor. That is a great idea for a Crane story arc. Scarecrow rallies a group of homeless people to help him spread fear across Gotham. Since he grew up in poverty he sympathise with those less fortunate. He would still be a terrifying threat but also slightly sympathetic. Why has no one thought of this before?
Yes,someone should indeed do that by making him slightly sympathetic through his symbol for poor angle while still being the most evil monster in Gotham.
Then Crane battles Deacon Blackfire.
I think the Gotham Knight anime played with this idea with Crane becoming a kind of priestly figure to the homeless and forgotten of Gotham’s sewage systems
@@ItsButterBean1020 yeah in gothan knight he become a kind of grin reaper and he was about to kill someone for helping the poor and homeless because he want the homeless to live in pain and suffering
Both Batman and Scarecrow use fear to do what they do so them being arch enemies would make a lot of sense tbh
Also they both became obsessed with what they used for vengeance. Batman first fought crime as vengeance for his parents while Scarecrow used fear gas on those who bullied him. No neither one of them wants to stop, Batman is obsessed with saving people and Scarecrow is obsessed with using fear.
@@two4328 there’s another great connection!
The Scarecrow is in many ways the perfect dark mirror for the Dark Knight, That's part of the reason why he's my favorite Batman villain of all time. This is a fun exercise and I really hope this isn't it for this series.
Never actually read a comic. I just know that I can see Hugo - like with Harvey, the psychological effect on Batman he had - being Batman's main villain (again, at least)
I’ve never read a comic either lol
I think it would be cool if scarecrow had so fourth wall breaking scenes to add to the horror effect he has similar to Arkham series with the game glitching making it seem like he is really there.
Another reason is that both of them are very intelligent. He was a professor/ psychologist after all. So it is also a battle of the mind anf perhaps a battle of which one of them can break first. Can the Scarecrow break Batman's mind or will the Batman break the Scarecrow's?
I agree that Scarecrow could be an intelectual threat but why would Batman want to break Scarecrow?
@@rodomolina7995 My response is a bit late as I didn't see this comment earlier.
My thought which I didn't convene properly was that I mean that Batman would break Scarecow's mind on accident. It also sounded a bit cooler in my mind when I wrote it.
Finally, someone brought up how Scarecrow should be the best manipulator in Gotham! I’m not alone in this! Thank you, Mr. Rogues, for being one of the few comic book TH-camrs to use logic when talking about the Joker, and for not just having the same opinion as everyone else.
Also, anther angle you could play up between the two are themes of family and trauma. Bruce’s parents were kind people who were killed in front of him, while Jonathan’s father was a cold-hearted scientist who used his own son as a guinea pig. Bruce, like his parents before him, used that trauma to become a force of good like his parents, and Scarecrow became a sadistic psychopath like his father, and used his trauma to become a force of evil.
I don’t know if you’d be willing to do these types of videos for other rogues galleries with slightly (SLIGHTLY being the key word there, for anyone who just wants to hate on these types of videos) overrated arch-enemies, but I’d like to see why either Brainiac or Parasite should be Superman’s nemesis, why Circe should be Wonder Woman’s nemesis (Cheetah is clearly her nemesis based on how frequently she appears, and how much hatred she has for Diana specifically), and why Doc Ock should be Spider-Man’s nemesis (let’s be like Mr. Rogues and be honest and use basic logic here, Green Goblin is his true nemesis, not Venom, the guy he’s barely fought since the 90s, or even Doc Ock, my favorite choice to be his nemesis, it’s the guy who’s caused him the most pain and tragedy, and the guy with a close personal connection to him). Entries like these would certainly give some variety to this series, and could prove to people that think you just hate the J0nker that you actually have opinions and aren’t just doing this to “get more clicks” or “cause drama” or “hate on the best character evAr” or whatever.
And then ones for why Captain Cold or Gorilla Grodd should be Flash's nemesis (or Sonic Striker if we count my fanon ones), and why Ultron or Baron Zemo should be the Avenger's arch enemy?
Scarecrow as the symbol of poverty? Honestly it makes sense more than Joker being the symbol of chaos. By the way, please next up do the Penguin he’s also a potential candidate for Batman’s arch enemy
Yeah 👍🏻 because I always felt that Batman and Penguin should be like Eliot Ness and Al Capone from the Untouchables
Well in his Post Crisis backstory Scarecrow was related to the Keeny family on his mother Karen's side, a family in Georgia who'd once been rich but by the time of Johnathan's birth had become poor.
@@Xehanort10 I thought he had no relatives
Ye, I honestly think he IS Batman's arch enemy because he's the most dangerous kind of criminal: a white collar crime lord
@@flintlockwood25 like he is the Lex Luther of Gotham
My favourite villain is scarecrow and I agree with you and I kinda feel sorry for him in the Live action tv show Gotham and I want More about of Scarecrow then Just the Joker.
I love scarecrows portrayal in the arkham knight videogame. He absolutly deserves more of these popular appearences.
I fucking love how on the thumbnail the joker is just having a mental break down while scarecrow is just accepting that people like him as a arch nemesis for batman
Bats and scarecrows are also classic forms of Halloween iconography. Even scarecrow's hat, sicle, and jackolantern style face scream Halloween. Only other character with that connection is Catwoman (black cats).
I'd be really cool to see the scarecrow go against spiderman as well... :) A Mysterio/Scarecrow teamup would be interesting since both use illusion types of methods.
I felt Jonathan Crane should have been a nemesis to Bruce Wayne on Gotham as they had similar backstories on that show. But like a lot of villains Crane was just reduced to a lackey.
He and Dent should get more stories, another great video
Not gonna lie, I love the Clown Prince of Crime. But my favorite is the Scarecrow and I think this was the perfect argument on why he should be his main nemesis or at least get more recognition and stories with him being the main villain
In the inmate interviews in the Arkham Asylum game we see (or listen to) Scarecrow using his psychological skills to manipulate his therapist who himself is a doctor of psychology but nevertheless gets more and more scared of Crane. And this is without any fear gas until the very end where he releases it and is stopped by Batman.
Imagine you do like it, but with Spider-Man or Superman like having either Electro, Kraven, Sandman, Mysterio, the Vulture or Molten Man as Spidey's arch-enemy instead of Green Goblin nor Dr. Octopus or with either the Parasite, Livewire, Metallo, Conduit, Toyman or Tyrell, from Superman: Earth One, as Sups' arch-enemy instead of Lex Luthor.
Also, future ideas for videos of who should be Batman's Arch-Nemesis instead of the Joker:
Penguin - Both are from wealthy families where one who using his money to protect peoples while the other using his moneys to commit crimes.
Anarky - He was the main antagonist in Beware the Batman.
Ra's al Ghul - In some versions, he is one of Bruce's former teachers who teaching him prior of becoming Batman.
Hugo Strange - A psychiatrist who's one of the few enemies who manage to uncover Batman's identity.
Poison Ivy - Don't why i add her on it. But, maybe you could find a way of maybe giving reasons of why she would be Batman's arch-nemesis or something...
Other than being a scarecrow, that is why he is my favourite DC villain. He is the other side of the batman coin.
Joker in the thumbnail looks like he’s living in a society
Definitely need one done for Hugo Strange or Black Mask next. Both huge potentials, would be fun to see your takes on why they should be Batman's Arch Nemesis.
I think Hugo could be a great nemesis, black mask needs a better origin, motivation and needs to stuck with one theme, masks in my opinion.
@@davidstancu905 Couldn't agree more. The character is criminally wasted most of the time. We just need that one, defining Black Mask comic book story (or film / TV episode) that'll make Sionis a prominent rogue.
I think Killer Croc should be Batman’s arch nemesis
Penguin should be Batman arch enemy
I'd like to see a take on how Black Mask or Hugo Strange could be Batman's main nemesis
0:40 - Chapter 1 - Same weapon : fear
2:05 - Chapter 2 - Master manipulator
3:40 - Chapter 3 - Most evil man in gotham
5:30 - Chapter 4 - Rich vs poor
Exactly my thoughts. And the Joker is just to popular mess. Scarecrow is a perfect sadist which never stops.
I’m surprised they haven’t done more with Scarecrow being poor. I think the one time I’ve seen it being brought up these days is in the ‘66 Batman comic, where Crane came from the poor South. Though I could see why it would come off as tasteless these days.
I mean, Scarecrow: Year One did touch upon it as well. But other than those there was pretty much nothing.
Poor Jokey boy, look at his disgust on the thumbnail🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.
Edit: You should do why Mad Hatter should be arch nemesis next time Rogues.
The thumbnails are gold
I agree that Hatter should be next!
Or the penguin or maybe say that Brainiac should be Superman’s arch nemesis instead of Lex Luther
Some other villains that could be Batman Arch-Nemesis material:
The Penguin
Black Mask
Hugo Strange
Catwoman
Victor Zsasz
The Wrath
Lincoln March/Owlman
I think out of the previous bat rogues you mentioned. This villain works the best for the new arch nemesis argument.
Man, I can't wait for your video on why Bob the Henchman from the Tim Burton movie should be Batman's arch-nemesis!
Or a Stun Gun Clown
I love Batman’s rouges gallery because most if not all reflect Batman’s character and if he chose to be a villain.
Penguin and Mad Hatter would both be great contenders but you know where I'm going with this, Maxie Zeus or Calendar Man!
With scarecrows recent story showing him playing some mind games without a toxin (yet) i’m hoping he’ll be getting another cool story! He’s become my favorite of batmans rouges followed by killer croc! Maybe its the southerner in me pfft!
That the things about Batman's rogues gallery. The villains who have risen to the top are the ones that reflect aspects of Batman.
Great video essay
If they played on the psychological aspect more and had him read Batman like a book, he’d be truly monstrous.
Thank you Mr.Rogues! Scarecrow i think has the most potential on being Batman’s a number one baddy! That I agree
Ultimately there aren't a lot of deep scarecrow stories, especially with the dark tone people are looking for, but I think the 70s and 80s was a good period for random scarecrow adventures. Especially the Jason Todd era ones.
I would love to see him looking like he did in Arkham knight
Scarecrow gets more and more popular in the comics, movies, and everything else.
How about why Hugo Strange should return as Batman's nemesis?
You make some very good points !
As much as I like Joker, I remember so many instances when he is shown manipulating people by getting in their head and under their skin, which in itself is not a problem (it has been done so much that it has become an expected part of his character), but my problem concerns the methods used to achieve it.
They generally fall into one of two types :
1. Calculated : Manipulating people thanks to information gained through research & analysis. Necessitate spending a lot of time and energy paying attention to the people in question, to their background, habits, character, and so on, then more time spent analysing the data before it can yield anything useful. A more calculated approach, mostly based on research and statistics. (I know that the person spent years doing X, therefore in situation Y he probably will do Z).
2. Intuitive : Manipulating people thanks to information gained directly by interacting with them., observing, changing tactics depending on the reaction, and so on. A more intuitive approach, mostly based on social skill and perception. (The person reacted that way when I did X, which might means Y, I should try Z).
I can perfectly see the Joker doing the latter, and in fact, many instances showing him manipulating people would fall in this category (including most versions of his seduction of Harley). However, I have more trouble imagining him doing the former... It would take a lot for him to bother paying so much attention to someone else, and sometimes it is difficult to imagine why he would bother. Yes, he might do anything if he thought that he would be a great joke or if he was really bored with nothing else to do, including things which he wouldn't bother doing otherwise... and that is exactly my point : usually he just wouldn't bother with all that tedious research and analysis, all that time focused on someone else. I just wish that it wasn't so often forced on him, that it was more often left for other and more suitable characters instead.
It is a pity that we don't often see other characters do it, especially when several characters would be perfect choices.
Crane and Harley have the training, skills and knowledge necessary for both types, but it doesn't seem to happen very often.
I loved the few instances when Harley actually used her training as a psychologist to manipulate people or to analyse their behaviour, rare though they might be. As for Crane, I don't remember him doing much of anything without his fear toxin except once or twice...
I've only seen this a few times but it would be fascinating to see how they both react to having to face their own personal fears
Personally I think it would be cool if scarecrow had a sidekick that was like a teenager like most robin to clash with Batman and show his contradictions as Batman would say scarecrow is wrong for it, but scarecrow would prove how contradictory he is with his Multiple child sidekicks
Another one would be the parallel of their childhood's. Batman's parents loved him and died, Scarecrows parents didn't love him, and they abandoned him.
You make a good case for Scarecrow being the archenemy especially with Batman also utilizing fear as a weapon.
I remember finding out Scarecrow was in Batman Begins I couldn’t believe it he was my favorite villain in the animated series and he was never seen in live action up until then he really needs more live action appearances
Seeing Scarecrow as a "Master Manipulator" certainly makes sense. Unlike Joker, who constantly complains Batman is "his" and "his alone" to do with as he pleases, Scarecrow doesn't mind using others to "distract" the Bat. After all, a "King" (of Fear) shouldn't have to get his hands dirty when he can have others weaken his objective. And he should be the one have an intimidating presence amongst the other rogues, not the clown.
As for the Most Evil, it reminds me of the comment of Arkham Asylum: "I believe he is quite sane, just evil". A cool, composed evil persona is more interesting than a cackling maniac portrayal. Not always though.
I certainly do see them as rivals, and the Rich vs. Poor MO really works as a reflection of the two, especially if you go by the Year One origin of the characters, where Bruce practically had the good life, while Crane's was the opposite/miserable.
As far as Arch enemy, i'd have to say he could stand with or even surpass Joker, but not alone. To combat Batman's need of Hope/Order, Scarecrow's Fear would need assistance within Chaos, particularly in the form of Harley Quinn. Like how Near couldn't stand with/surpass L or defeat Kira without help from Mello.
I love how in every thumbnail of this series Joker is always in it keep up this series I can’t wait to see the next hilarious Joker thumbnail cameo ( you still haven’t done Pengers )
The Scarecrow has always been my favorite villain. After all, there's nothing to fear except fear itself.
Happy Late Star Wars day.
Thank you
You should do Crazy Quilt next as he’s the most powerful, dangerous, and intimidating by far
I'd be very interested if this was the case and would read a story like this
1:27 I love that image
Why the penguin should be batman's arch enemy next please
Yeah 👍🏻
I swear scarecrow is the most underutilized batman villains ever
rich vs poor, batman's a billionaire with high tech and scarecrow is impoverished and has raggedy clothing
yeah, that'd go over well
Batman has the best rogue's gallery in comics. It's hard to pinpoint a villain who couldn't be his arch-nemesis.
The Scarecrow has always been underrated. His look in Arkham Knight is awesome, but he should have rocked the hat.
Anyone think the Mad Hatter could possibly earn the title? Kind of similar to the Joker in terms of craziness. But the biggest reason could be that he is always wanting his Alice to fall in love with him. What if his Alice happens to be Bruce Wayne's blonde girlfriend? I mean how enraged would u be if I kidnapped your girl to force myself upon her against her will? It would be the ultimate test of Batman's self-control of his anger, and a challenge to not break the "no killing" rule.
It would of been cool if scarecrow was the 1960s adam west batman. I think it should of been vincent price instead of egghead
If Joker sees any of these, I pretty sure he will cry.
He'd much rather kill every other villain on the planet. He WOULD be Batman's greatest enemy if he's Batman's ONLY enemy.
Yep
The Joker is Batman's most popular villain for a reason: He's the wildest wild card. While most of Batman's rogue gallery have a tragic childhood and can sometimes be characters to feel sympathy for, the Joker just goes above all of that. The Joker represents a very thing that Batman never truely got rid of, an entity that Batman keeps existing, like a cootie that the bat refused to wash off: Gotham's terrible state. And since Gotham's state doesn't really have a particular explanation as for why it's so crooked nor a particular type of crooked person, the Joker isn't restricted by any character traits: He could do anything most of the rogue gallery already do, and go beyond their moral. He could be the thug, the rich bastard, the mob boss and anything more. I think that what made him that way is Dark Knight Return and Killing Joke, which played a lot on making the Joker an even more interesting villain.
Though, I do agree on the fact that Scarecrow isn't so far from being a very good villain for Batman, and your arguments do hold water.
Yes he should he is my favourite Batman villain
I thought Bane would be Batman's main arch enemy
- Similar Skills
* Bane is Both Brains and Brawns just like batman
- Polar opposite childhoods
* Batman started up at the top (Mansion) and respected, while Bane started up in Prison and got not respect
* Both are orphans
- Bane actually impoves Batman in a way by Defeating him/Breaking his back only making for batman to rise up and defeat him in a rematch. Bane might have some respect for Batman. Similar to other rival characters in media (Dante and Vergil, Ryu and Akuma, Sabretooth and Wolverine) and they could even be friends in an alternate reality
I actually really enjoyed scarecrow as a vilian in batman arkham knight
the Joker manipulative personality wasn't forged into the character after the dark knight movie released,
it was a trait of the character he had years before the dark knight, going back as far as batman the animated series, being a manipulative person when he sees fit, like how he manipulated Harleen Quinnzel to pitty him,
Could you do a way Azreal should be batman's arch nemesis? I feel like you could come up with some really good reasons
i loved the riddler arch nemesis video, i'd love to see the mad hatter video
Do love me some Scarecrow!!!!
Have u seen Polka Dot man in The Suicide Squad trailers?
And I’m glad to see u covering my favorite villain
I wonder, what would Scarecrow be like with Nurgle (the Crowfather)?
He should be called Jonathan Crow (much more prophetic).
Bro I had the same idea
Manipulation makes Sense with any character that is a psycopath, it's a Very Common characteristic even in real life. But I do agree that scarecrow should have an Edge in that department
You know, I think The Penguin could be Batman's arch nemesis too. Here are my arguments to prove my point:
1) They are both the richest people in Gotham;
2) Their themes are related to the animal world;
3) The Penguin is a crime lord.
You can write more argumets, if you have any.
No way….. Not over Joker’s history and awesome stories he is a part of. Scarecrow and Bane also beat out Penguin. But Penguin like Crane ….. they both are underestimated and underrated.
you should do a fan casting video for the batman 2021 because a lot of the time people have no idea of what their talking about when casting these beloved characters and purely base it on looks but you seem to be an expert so you'd be perfect.
I would actually like a video of your favorite and least favorite version of scarecrow in media
New Years evil from 1996-97 which featured Scarecrow cemented him as my favorite villian in dc
it's a shame that btas never really got scarecrow right until they redesigned everything and made all the other villains worse
Such a good villain. Shame he's not used more
Nice video! A man shaped by childhood trauma he never healed from, and a psychologist/psychiatrist obsessed with inflicting trauma. What could be a better match than that?
And the poverty angle is definitely interesting, but it might give him a sympathetic edge that could be somewhat incompatible with the "most evil man in Gotham" point.
Best Villain period
it's may and i still want you as a voice actor in my audio series.
I'd like to see a why poison ivy should be batman's arch nemesis video.
3:53-3:56 "But killing someone is not thee worse thing you can do to a person".
Mr. Rogues can please you speak at my trial?
I like how Scarecrow has actually developed his own martial art based off of (funnily enough) Crane style Kung-Fu, that he calls violent dancing, making good use of his lanky frame and long reach. IIRC, he developed it as he was seriously bullied by jocks as a child and developed it out of necessity before he was able to utilise his most formidable weapon - his mind (and genius level intellect)! So Dr Crane is not a one trick pony relying only on the gimmick of his fear,toxin, but also his genius and his own martial art. Hel, he has used his chemistry genius to develop an artificial bird pheromone that he spays people with that causes aggression in bird life thus the birds attack them. Of course Batman has mastered every martial art including all the animal styles of Kung-Fu so he is a master of crane style Kung-Fu himself, so would be familiar with it but Scarecrows version is unique in that he is the Sifu of it and hasn’t trained any students in his system. Scarecrow is my favourite of Batman’s rogues gallery, but I don’t agree he is the polar opposite of Batman as both use psychological warfare and genius intellect as formidable weapons in their respective crusades.
I absolutely love Scarecrow. He's on par with The Joker in my opinion
i think hes better
I wonder which villain you will do next ? Hugo Strange ? Penguin ? Ra's al Ghul ? Black Mask ? Bane ? Hush ?
Killer Moth?
@@popecorkyI ... LOL
2:17 "Why is a clown a master manipulator?" Cause otherwise he wouldn't be a threat
He wasn't really a master manipulator prior to Dark Knight. You saying he wasn't a threat until Dark Knight?
03:56
Absolutly my thinking. Who thinks death is the worst punishment you can dish out...
Never experiences true pain.
Fear manifested by theatrics - right brain vs. chemical - left brain.