STANDING ON THE EDGE OF THE CRATER LIKE THE PROPHETS ONCE SAID AND THE ASHES ARE ALL COLD NOW NO MORE BULLETS AND THE EMBERS ARE DEAD WHISPERS IN THE AIR TELL THE TALES OF THE BROTHERS GONE DESOLATION, DEVASTATION WHAT A MESS WE MADE, WHEN IT ALL WENT WRONG
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"only filter you ever need..." except I don't use variable ND anymore😏 Seriously that mounting solution looks interesting and kudo to them for their creativity!
The ring is pretty cheap, at 25-35 USD, but holy crap the actual filter is expensive. The only time I use a variable ND is for waterfalls. Where it is pretty darn useful, but a regular one is good enough for me. I occasional use a circular polarizer. But I can't think of a need where I would want to have both on the camera at the same time.
yeah, I'd rather use me own filters. However... back when I built my set I decided 77mm was about as much I'd need and everything since has been of that standard. But... non of these adapters are native to 77mm. Which imho is a bit of a fail as I think a lot of folks are in my situation having picked 77mm.
Thanks for getting this out before the kickstarter ends. It looks like an interesting system and a good deal considering how much filters are going for now.
Holy moly Kai it comes in three sizes so you could spooge about $590 for the set or get the biggest the Revoring Variable Neutral Density ND3-ND1000 + Circular Polarizer 67-82mm $199.0 and then $70 for 2 adapter rings and you can hook the ones up when you aren't using them for earrings and pretend to be a gypsy fortune teller
Justed backed it. The 67 to 82mm covers most of my lenses (for landscape anyways). And if the quality is good, the price is actually not bad either in comparison to other products. Especially considering the versatility. Thanks for the video. Would have missed it otherwise!
Any comment on how it attaches to the lens - any risk to damaging the lens thread? Does the 67-82 connect to the 46-62 thread? Backed through your link and looking forward to this.
I don't understand why the image looks so soft? Like at 4:29, that's 6k?? It looks like HD honestly. Viewing 4k on 4k monitor. Very odd. I have seen very sharp footage from te S1H, but this looks very unconvincing. Any ideas?
I wish you would talk about filters more often, because I generally don't understand them very well. I don't know what the different types are, what they do, or when to use them.
2:50 FYI, the Only the 100x150mm Graduated ND glass features Gorilla Glass . The 100x100mm square filter you're holding is Schott B270, not the Gorilla one. Fortunately you didn't follow us dropping the one in your hand. Glad to be featured in your video ;)
There's issue with cheap vari ND filters - they show the cross at longer focal length than normal filters. You can't shoot at 50 mm with filter closed mare than half the way to the max. On wider they are barely even have effect before they show the cross.
Seems interesting! I just got a GOBE variable ND and a step up ring and new lens cap for each of my lenses. That way I have one ND filter that can quickly screw onto any focal length lens I want to use for my videos.
4:40 - I've received mine as I backed this before this review and I can tell you that they did NOT fix the play issue as I have play in my ring (no pun intended), waiting for a response from them on KS!
"The Only Filter You'll NEver Need"- that's how would I call it. Dear colleagues, I just want to share my experience in case you are thinking to buy it. I want to share my experience of non existing support from H&Y as well as bad design. 1. The Lock mechanism is unusable and will not stay firmly, it not secure and will suddenly fall , like it happened to me, and I ensured it's very firm when attached. Did attach by instructions. The filter actually never "locks". It's just get tightened and then again loosens and rotates again, that's how it's built. 2. The X shape pattern on ND is very visible and not usable after ND5-7.
3. There are no markings on ND after ND 5 to 10 ND , so you have to guess. 4. There is grainy pattern when using ND/CPL, compared to my other filters I own(Haida, Tiffen, Hoya). It seems not as clean on the sky. 5. The support is non existent. Will not honor warranty. Will accuse you and say that it's your human error (that's what they told to me) The pins to control ND and CPL where supposed to be touched, to control ND and CPL, but every slight touch can lock out and drop the filter . No secure filter system at all. The company did not honor the warranty and didn't want to fix the filter within the first month of use. Shame company. I was securing and fitting to lens strictly by instructions. Will not buy again from H&Y. I will continue to use my regular, non variable ND's and CPL's from more true photography companies like Hoya, Tiffen and Haida I own. Never to H&Y again. They are for making money I think, not into a photography really. Lack of basic support is bad. Their boorishness to my support request is unacceptable, saying to me that I'm saying nonsense and accusing of wrong use. Just a trash Chinese company in my opinion. 1,2 and 5th point - see if you want this for yourself.
What’s the difference between nd/pl filter? Let me show you, proceeds to explain it perfectly and in the simplest way possible in under 40 seconds. While there’s dudes in TH-cam with 10 minute videos on TH-cam where they still can’t get their point across. You gotta love Kai lol
Can you remind me how much is a step up ring cost? I also don’t think you save much in weight unless you are carrying many lens with different filter size.
Look very careful on their kickstarter page. It sounds cheap but the first few pledges only give you one ring or one filter. Only the very last one of €421 will give 3x the filters + 3x the filter mounts. Very expensive stuff.
Hi, thanks to share the interesting video. Out of curiosity: do you think a variable ND filer is more convenient if it has a lever on the ring to be able to move the lens more easily to shoot videos? Thank you
First i hope you've had a mattress or anything under while holding your camera by the filter. Then, I wouldn't change my "cleverly chosen" filters for one to spectacular to be true. But the gripped adaptive ring ... I'll buy it anytime
How does the filter affect the sharpness of the image and what do you think, how he is a competitor against other high end filter like polarpro or something like those (~250$/€+)
Yeah that’s pretty neat! BUT something I don’t like about filters and I had a question on, its hard to get a lens hood over a filter if at all so if you have an ND and you are out in bright sun light, dust is pretty attracted to the filter, then you have no shade from the sun and boom you see ugly specs of dust and sometimes odd sun flare on the lens.
What's this fading effect you talk about when you get wider than 16mm? Anyone know what he says? I'd love to learn more about the science of that phenomena.
Figured it out. When light enters at an oblique angle, they have a different cross polarization ratio compared to the nominal light coming from the center so you get a radius dependent density
I bought the 82mm version few years ago, this thing pretty useful. But the little knob for the CPL is really annoying. I dropped it a few times and that thing is really hard to find.
This looks really cool but could you maybe go in to a bit more detail as to how you fit existing filters to it? It’s quite a big jump in price to include their own.
If you just get the ring, it has a filter thread on the front. It’s best to check out their kickstarter page and then scroll down, there’s a chart that specifies the size of the filter thread to the corresponding ring sizes.
Kai W thanks Kai! I used to have the manfrotto magnetic filter rings and they were fine, but one slight knock and the filter came off. It didn’t last long. This seems like a decent solution, other than a camera manufacturer giving us what we want; built in ND’s! 😂
stupid question but the sky is exposed better but if you have people they gonna be under exposed :( gradual ND isn't better if you have people in the shot?
"Kai Wong doesn't respect his gear like a true photographer should!" Me: "There's no such thing as a true photographer, Kai is just-" 1:06 Me: "Oh... Actually you might be onto something there...."
The mount is creative. However, no one needs a variable ND filter unless they are incompetent, adding at least four glass (plastic?) surfaces to your light path in order to further degrade your lens.
Why do none of these filters ever work with sun hoods? Do these people not know how bad these VND filters look when sun lands on them at an angle? Edit, i understand this filter is way oversized to fit multiple sized, my problem is fixed mount filters, I honestly wshi someone made a polarizer 67>67 and a companion polarizer with the filter flipped around to turn it into a VND with this also being 67
Ha ha ha, Twickers, I must have missed you by minutes, my mate has the vape shop around the corner from there. Lovely spot and I'm in the market for a decent ND.
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1:04 is one of the most Kai W things I've ever seen
I stopped breathing
Yea, and you know if he drops it, it will still make the edit.
So sooner or later we will see it happen, for sure.
You have not seen him dropped a 7D and played football with that?
@@mytravellinfo link please.
@@Francois_Dupont it was actually 7D my mistake
th-cam.com/video/RCT-YMgjm9k/w-d-xo.html
Holding that by the filter gave me the feeling of watching someone stand on the edge of a high building :(
quite true, my heart was in my mouth
STANDING ON THE EDGE OF THE CRATER
LIKE THE PROPHETS ONCE SAID
AND THE ASHES ARE ALL COLD NOW
NO MORE BULLETS AND THE EMBERS ARE DEAD
WHISPERS IN THE AIR TELL THE TALES
OF THE BROTHERS GONE
DESOLATION, DEVASTATION
WHAT A MESS WE MADE, WHEN IT ALL WENT WRONG
It really gave me stress I haven't had in a long time..
@@spwach That almost reminded me of Kai's antics on Digital Rev, it seems somethings are hard to die even after all this time
Same here - My testicles went up to my throat!
What to Love about Kai is he's so Genuine & Straight Forward about the Products without any BS, & Let's be Really Honest, his Unique Reviewing Style, Voice & Beautiful Accent keep us coming back to him
"only filter you ever need..." except I don't use variable ND anymore😏
Seriously that mounting solution looks interesting and kudo to them for their creativity!
Oh hey hang on, adapters too! So that just answer me saying I use fixed ND!
@@TheLokCheung indeed innovative company, just like their K series holder system which you reviewed awhile back.
The ring is pretty cheap, at 25-35 USD, but holy crap the actual filter is expensive.
The only time I use a variable ND is for waterfalls. Where it is pretty darn useful, but a regular one is good enough for me. I occasional use a circular polarizer. But I can't think of a need where I would want to have both on the camera at the same time.
yeah, I'd rather use me own filters.
However... back when I built my set I decided 77mm was about as much I'd need and everything since has been of that standard.
But... non of these adapters are native to 77mm. Which imho is a bit of a fail as I think a lot of folks are in my situation having picked 77mm.
@@shiznuts Yeah, a 62-77mm option would be ideal.
Kai W, never fails to make you laugh AND give you anxiety!
1:07 ahhhhh!
1:40 AGHHHHHH!
Holding that by the filter made my heart skip a beat. I can't unsee it
That’s so cool how it attaches.
I’m still in the dark ages using a million adapter rings lol
K&f concept actually already has a cpl + nd filter all in one, but this variable ring looks awesome :o
Got mine today!!!
I've been waiting for this invention forever!!! Take my money (except I'm unemployed and penniless. Wohoo)
Same!
Thats one clever gadget!!!
Thanks for getting this out before the kickstarter ends. It looks like an interesting system and a good deal considering how much filters are going for now.
I have the Revoring version 67-82mm CPL + VND and I must say that it is wonderful!
Interesting, but I don't do Kickstarter projects. Been burned more than once. If it's not already on the market, I won't have it.
Very cool. I can’t really justify the expense when I’m happy enough with my current filter situation but I can definitely see the appeal.
That mounting is the type of real innovation required, when there are too many size variations between brands and lens types.
Holy moly Kai it comes in three sizes so you could spooge about $590 for the set or get the biggest the Revoring Variable Neutral Density ND3-ND1000 + Circular Polarizer
67-82mm $199.0 and then $70 for 2 adapter rings and you can hook the ones up when you aren't using them for earrings and pretend to be a gypsy fortune teller
Kai, did you and Philip Bloom wave at each across the river as you filmed your respective reviews? Lol.
Justed backed it. The 67 to 82mm covers most of my lenses (for landscape anyways). And if the quality is good, the price is actually not bad either in comparison to other products. Especially considering the versatility.
Thanks for the video. Would have missed it otherwise!
Interesting concept. Shame they don't have a 62-77mm version as that would be the "one system to rule them all" for my system.
Love your videos Kai! Keep up the great reviews and content! Trying to get you to 1MIL subs.
Any comment on how it attaches to the lens - any risk to damaging the lens thread? Does the 67-82 connect to the 46-62 thread? Backed through your link and looking forward to this.
I don't understand why the image looks so soft?
Like at 4:29, that's 6k?? It looks like HD honestly. Viewing 4k on 4k monitor.
Very odd. I have seen very sharp footage from te S1H, but this looks very unconvincing. Any ideas?
My heart dropped when you held the camera by the filter
Kai, used a variable Cirpol but got some weirdness with inconsistent ND'ing across the field of view. Did you notice these artifacts?
Looks like a very well thought out product, kudos to the creators.
alway fun watching kai
Thanks for the review Kai once again you give a honest opinion
I wish you would talk about filters more often, because I generally don't understand them very well. I don't know what the different types are, what they do, or when to use them.
2:50 FYI, the Only the 100x150mm Graduated ND glass features Gorilla Glass . The 100x100mm square filter you're holding is Schott B270, not the Gorilla one. Fortunately you didn't follow us dropping the one in your hand. Glad to be featured in your video ;)
I have enjoyed watching you playing with the lil knob 😄
There's issue with cheap vari ND filters - they show the cross at longer focal length than normal filters. You can't shoot at 50 mm with filter closed mare than half the way to the max. On wider they are barely even have effect before they show the cross.
That panasonic S1 is heavy, plus you've added a lens and an external monitor
Always hated carrying step up rings for some reason. Their solution seems pretty nifty. Might have to give that link a visit😁
Brilliant idea. I look forward to seeing a review by you or someone else of the optical characteristics of the CP and ND filters.
Seems interesting! I just got a GOBE variable ND and a step up ring and new lens cap for each of my lenses. That way I have one ND filter that can quickly screw onto any focal length lens I want to use for my videos.
4:40 - I've received mine as I backed this before this review and I can tell you that they did NOT fix the play issue as I have play in my ring (no pun intended), waiting for a response from them on KS!
Forget the filter, where’s the link to that jazzy bandana you are sporting ? 😱💯
Kai and Philip Bloom on the same day? Revo must have spent some bucks for the roll out.
"The Only Filter You'll NEver Need"- that's how would I call it. Dear colleagues, I just want to share my experience in case you are thinking to buy it.
I want to share my experience of non existing support from H&Y as well as bad design.
1. The Lock mechanism is unusable and will not stay firmly, it not secure and will suddenly fall , like it happened to me, and I ensured it's very firm when attached. Did attach by instructions. The filter actually never "locks". It's just get tightened and then again loosens and rotates again, that's how it's built.
2. The X shape pattern on ND is very visible and not usable after ND5-7.
3. There are no markings on ND after ND 5 to 10 ND , so you have to guess.
4. There is grainy pattern when using ND/CPL, compared to my other filters I own(Haida, Tiffen, Hoya). It seems not as clean on the sky.
5. The support is non existent. Will not honor warranty. Will accuse you and say that it's your human error (that's what they told to me)
The pins to control ND and CPL where supposed to be touched, to control ND and CPL, but every slight touch can lock out and drop the filter . No secure filter system at all. The company did not honor the warranty and didn't want to fix the filter within the first month of use. Shame company. I was securing and fitting to lens strictly by instructions. Will not buy again from H&Y.
I will continue to use my regular, non variable ND's and CPL's from more true photography companies like Hoya, Tiffen and Haida I own. Never to H&Y again. They are for making money I think, not into a photography really. Lack of basic support is bad.
Their boorishness to my support request is unacceptable, saying to me that I'm saying nonsense and accusing of wrong use. Just a trash Chinese company in my opinion. 1,2 and 5th point - see if you want this for yourself.
What’s the difference between nd/pl filter? Let me show you, proceeds to explain it perfectly and in the simplest way possible in under 40 seconds. While there’s dudes in TH-cam with 10 minute videos on TH-cam where they still can’t get their point across. You gotta love Kai lol
Can you remind me how much is a step up ring cost? I also don’t think you save much in weight unless you are carrying many lens with different filter size.
Their kickstarter page is a bit confusing.
Edit: ohh it’s in “hkd” which is Hong Kong dollars..
Look very careful on their kickstarter page. It sounds cheap but the first few pledges only give you one ring or one filter. Only the very last one of €421 will give 3x the filters + 3x the filter mounts. Very expensive stuff.
Paul Genge you try reading again. He said the last set with all three sizes. US$470 HK$3666
Hi, thanks to share the interesting video. Out of curiosity: do you think a variable ND filer is more convenient if it has a lever on the ring to be able to move the lens more easily to shoot videos? Thank you
Very cool gadget but for my go to lenses (50mm f/1.8 and 10-22mm) I would need one with a range of 49mm to 77mm for it to be worth it.
First i hope you've had a mattress or anything under while holding your camera by the filter.
Then, I wouldn't change my "cleverly chosen" filters for one to spectacular to be true.
But the gripped adaptive ring ...
I'll buy it anytime
OMG the step-up ring industry is sunk! In the middle of a pandemic at that.
that has cracked me up so bad, I am crying with laughter!
How is the actual filter quality apart from the adjusting part? Color cast, sharpness loss, weird stuff?
Can the rings be stacked to completely eliminate the need for step rings?
This is a great idea. How wide can you go before it vignettes?
Amazing concept but doesnt seem to have IR cut. Its kinda of a must with Blackmagic cameras
How does the filter affect the sharpness of the image and what do you think, how he is a competitor against other high end filter like polarpro or something like those (~250$/€+)
Yeah that’s pretty neat! BUT something I don’t like about filters and I had a question on, its hard to get a lens hood over a filter if at all so if you have an ND and you are out in bright sun light, dust is pretty attracted to the filter, then you have no shade from the sun and boom you see ugly specs of dust and sometimes odd sun flare on the lens.
Bmwryder get a screw in lens hood that fits the filter
Dang that fliter grip. Nerve-wracking
This is so cool!!!!!!!!! I can’t wait for it to come out
What's this fading effect you talk about when you get wider than 16mm? Anyone know what he says? I'd love to learn more about the science of that phenomena.
Figured it out. When light enters at an oblique angle, they have a different cross polarization ratio compared to the nominal light coming from the center so you get a radius dependent density
I bought the 82mm version few years ago, this thing pretty useful. But the little knob for the CPL is really annoying. I dropped it a few times and that thing is really hard to find.
This looks really cool but could you maybe go in to a bit more detail as to how you fit existing filters to it? It’s quite a big jump in price to include their own.
If you just get the ring, it has a filter thread on the front. It’s best to check out their kickstarter page and then scroll down, there’s a chart that specifies the size of the filter thread to the corresponding ring sizes.
Kai W thanks Kai! I used to have the manfrotto magnetic filter rings and they were fine, but one slight knock and the filter came off. It didn’t last long. This seems like a decent solution, other than a camera manufacturer giving us what we want; built in ND’s! 😂
Honestly looks awesome
I love this guy
stupid question but the sky is exposed better but if you have people they gonna be under exposed :( gradual ND isn't better if you have people in the shot?
I tried ordering and what a pain in the neck! They are saying delivery in December of 2020? Not cool .
But is it better than the Peter McKinnon Polor Pro ?
I bout the PM Polor Pro and its one of the best VR filters I have ever used
regards, Rick
Polar pro. Bought.
Only filter you'll ever need, pity it won't fit on nikon 12-24mm f2.8
Hey Kai. Can a filter of that kind (with the node on it) be used with a matte box
My ring won’t turn to adjust to sizes. Any suggestions?
Without X nd effect, Can you tell me how many stop work for variable ND?
"Kai Wong doesn't respect his gear like a true photographer should!"
Me: "There's no such thing as a true photographer, Kai is just-"
1:06
Me: "Oh... Actually you might be onto something there...."
many say that there is x patern at 6 and above stops? It is true?
The mount is creative. However, no one needs a variable ND filter unless they are incompetent, adding at least four glass (plastic?) surfaces to your light path in order to further degrade your lens.
How does it compare image quality wise to the polarpro variable ND?
does it woek with cuvers wide lenses like the samyan 14 mm 2.8
Ya, didnt do that over the tarmac did ya? Long grass with a bunch of pillows is my guess.
Does anyone knows if the X mark appears when using this VND filter?
Raw with the S1h, so you have the beta version? Any idea what’s holding Panasonic from releasing this firmware to us plebeians?
You filmed this in Twickenham 🙌🙌🙌
Kai where did you get that Bandanna? thats a dope pattern
It's my lens filter and I need it now!
hows the quality compared to nisi?
Did you move to Twickenham?
Mr Kai, are you testing the R5
wonder why Peter M decided not to review it lol
My issue here is how do i get it to fit a matte box… Any suggestions?
Why do none of these filters ever work with sun hoods? Do these people not know how bad these VND filters look when sun lands on them at an angle?
Edit, i understand this filter is way oversized to fit multiple sized, my problem is fixed mount filters, I honestly wshi someone made a polarizer 67>67 and a companion polarizer with the filter flipped around to turn it into a VND with this also being 67
Ha ha ha, Twickers, I must have missed you by minutes, my mate has the vape shop around the corner from there. Lovely spot and I'm in the market for a decent ND.
i wish it would fit on my 14-24
This is new! I hope it doesn't have X cross pattern.
will this fit the Nikkor 200-500mm?
Kai and his history of dropping cameras :D
I hope you are getting paid for your amazing speaking voice
Is sharpness affected?
I know you must’ve had a big pillow on the ground below the SH1. Lol. That’s a death defying stunt That left me shaking with fear.
You need a stabilizer.
Great invention. I whish, i'd seen that a couple of weeks before.
What sizes are the filter threads on the front?
Filter definitely has a great cost saving feature but the skin tones from the filter footage looked awful IMO very red.
Is this guy a cool TH-camr or what?!?!?🤣🤣🤣👍🏼❤
Very nice filter
These look great, would of been perfect fit my videos in Iceland