Why a Static Racquet Drop (tap the dog) Will Destroy Your Forehand
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In today’s video, I explain why a static racquet drop (tap the dog) will destroy your forehand. That part of the forehead has to be continuous and uninterrupted.
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This is the most common sense, practical video I have seen on the forehand based on reality! Bravo! It really should not matter so much how the racquet head is positioned at the bottom of the loop as long as you make good contact with the ball with your racquet head in a vertical position. Thank you!
It's always good to see common sense in your videos. You're absolutely right, each person is different and there's also so many people with their own mechanics and ways to perform a technical movement. People are crazy watching lots of slow motions when the fundamentals are what people should be focusing on and then find your mechanics/way of perform a stroke, for example. Thank you for sharing this video, even I sometimes find myself being led to pay attention on these detailed slow how-to videos, while I still need to train lots of fundamentals. Keep up the good work!!
Best explanation ever - lots on confusion on this matter. Master class
Thank you 🙏
Wow just what I needed! Thanks for the video
I agree and this is also confirmation. Because I experienced it myself. Agasi's way of hitting seems to be an example, don't be fooled by " pat the dog ".Thank you coach.
Absolutely great message, man. Rick Macci preaches exactly that closed racket face back stop and calls it modern
Your each and every video is full of practical knowledge. Simply Superb.👍👍👍👍
Great, was facing exactly the same issue with the forehand, every ball goes out when i hit hard. Will try to change the approach from today onwards..👍👍
Excellent video, tanks for the sharing.
This is a fantastic point which needed to be made. You can’t restrain the racquet at any point during the kinetic chain, it has to be fluid, exactly as if you were throwing the racquet across the net.
Great video. I think it is Rick Macci‘s contribution, since he made a ton a videos taking about the pat -the-dog position.
But as you say you loss all the momentum, if you stop in the pat -the-dog check point waiting for the ball.
Very informative Nik! 👍👏 pat the dog, lag and snap, I don't like the way some instructors focus too much on these things. Letting it happen naturally is the best way. 👍🎾🎾
yeah, it is that simple....natural way...not sure how much people hate this sentence in tennis :)
Very helpful! Thank you.
FANTASTIC Explanation of the importance of continuity/fluidity of the forehand! I love these videos! 👌❤👍😎
Needed this thank you Nick sir
Another great video Coach Aracic! Pat the dog is a technical cue given far too much emphasis in forehand development in Australia also.
I like this explanation. I think this really keys on swing tempo. I tend to swing in "components' in golf which kills swing tempo. A swing needs to have continuous flow. I have often tried to position my racquet in the static drop position to try to achieve the lag. I also tend to not finish.
Excellent tips! Amazing content! Thank you! Unfortunately, i got used to static pat the dog forehand. How to get rid of this? Is there a drill or something that can help?
I've found whether or not my racquet goes in to pat-the-dog (not statically but momentarily) seems to depend on the head-size, weight, and twist-weight of the racquet. I have a higher twist-weight racquet that feels more sluggish than my other racquet and it naturally goes in to pat-the-dog.
thank you very much is very useful very professional ilove you video and will start working
I think a big problem is that the “table top” position doesn’t even make sense. Because the actual racket face is slightly open facing the fence and not completely closed.
Why would genetics dictate the racket drop position on the forehand?
The best of both worlds is the 'C shape' backswing. Steffi Graf used it well, waiting at the top of the 'C' for timing, and then the follow thru strike.
There is no hitch. The ATP figure 8 style requires more maintenance and is susceptible to hitches (slow down in racquet head acceleration) as the coach demonstrates.
could you make a video on hitting a forehand or backhand on the run or under pressure, please? awesome content as always 👍
Will do
One of your best videos ever. Well done!!!
You're 100% right. It must be continues mouvement
Completely agree with not overthinking your backswing and letting it happen naturally, but to what extent? Surely you have to force yourself to learn certain elements. For me, closing the racket face is crucial as I get so much more spin, which makes sense as players with the best, heavy topspin forehands all close their racket face
Can you do more videos like this one... but on volleys? Please Nikola ?🤞
have this problem. I drop the racket and waiting a ball! How to fix it?
it only works for straight hand with body turns faster than hand style?
@Intuitive Tennis, so you’re not supposed to hit the ball with the racquet halfway closed (45 degree angle), especially to generate topspin? So many other TH-camrs suggest making contact with the racquet halfway closed
Well now you tell me! I’ve been filming my practice sessions while working to pat the puppy’s head. Yet, when I watch, even in super slow-mo, I can’t get a clear view of the racket head. It’s all a blur. I do find that my wrist position and racket lag improve when I maintain some degree of awareness back there. When it feels like I get it right, I usually do, and the shot comes off with more pace and top spin.
What about Holge Rune? He does exactly this and has a great forehand. Also, Nadal from 2003 did this as well.
I think his point is that it's player specific. The idea of pat the dog for me is create some lag. If it works for you i'd say go for it
I am a high level player, and i converted my old flat forehand into a modern forehand. Although I agree that the "pat the dog" is not a static stop and hold in the forehand, I did train my hand, to get in this position (i thought about it as well) in order to learn the stretch-shorten cycle. Its kinda like the guy who ate mcdonalds everyday and got fat, and then another guy who ate mcdonalds everyday and lost weight.
Nikola takes very seriously his job 🤨 but he always bring a smile to your face 😂👍🏻❤️🎾 Oh by the way Nikola, what about Carlos Alcaraz forehand?He is only 18 years old 😮💪🏼🎾🇪🇸😂😂😂
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It does work if you drop the ball Where the contact point should be, namely in front.
People achieve better lag from closed racquet face. People's wrist flexibility can be genetics to some extent, but I think that if people cannot close the racquet face with an eastern forehand grip, they can certainly do so with semi-western or western.
Niko - it would be great if you could make a series of videos on intuitive/natural vs. technically required steps in learning of all major strokes.
There are so many videos that instruct players to pay attention to some minute details and it is hard to tell what matters and what does not.
I subscribe to your “school” of intuitive tennis, but I recognize that some things really do matter (hitting ball early, low to high, etc)
Hvala i puno pozdrava.
Check my style vs fundamentals series
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Just pay a decent coach, your problem is so huge
Gotta be careful with this one. Having been in player development for over 20 years I have almost never had a player intuitively close the racquet below contact. This checkpoint, for sure, has to be taught. I would also also wager my career Roger was taught it. Although it should be done fluidly and maybe barley seen, it 100% must be taught. “Pat the doggy” on the head is a checkpoint that I will use to produce many more nationally ranked players.
My thoughts exactly.
I am down here in SE FL and not aware of any coaches teaching this stroke mechanics as the starting position. The “pat the dog” is a moment in time or, a moment in the stroke itself but it should never be the starting point of the stroke. Closing the face of the racquet is a must for a modern FH: helping kids understand or better yet, visualize it is a whole different “ball game” all together. That’s where coaching comes into play….imo.
Having said that, i must point out I’ve noticed a certain trend down here: (in SE Florida. Not sure about the rest of the state) jr players seem to “triangulate” their FH Take-back where, they transition from the backswing to the forward swing in an abrupt way (kind of like an apex of a triangle) yanking the racquet forward causing it to “slap” the ball. Funny thing is, while watching from the sidelines I can literally read the branding printed on the ball - due to the lack of (I mean ZERO) spin. Big grunt, big slap but no net clearance and no spin. Lots of energy wasted, lots of efforts invested in very little return…
All IMO of course.
@Intuitive Tennis Hey Nick! What's that blue string in your racquet? No more Kirschbaum Super Smash Orange? ;)
Head hawk, I’m still using KBaum orange
Some beginners have developed a flat backhand, where the racquet face doesn't face the ground but the side fence.
And because of this bad habit, they can't get the racquet facing down and have a very limited flat forehand with 0 loop.
I have had this problem and its difficult to change.
So you have to break up the swing and start from tapping the dog. Once the player has built up muscle memory where they can now tap the dog, then you can add the entire stroke.
But yeah definitely you don't want to further create an additional bad habit by only starting from this position. So have to ensure that you put the entire stroke together.
Great content! Was wondering how important tapping the dog was. My FH is on the hitting side but I don’t tap the dog. Thx Nic!
Who does not tap the dog in the men’s game? I know Agassi, Sampras, Schwartzman, DelPo and Tsitsipas (i think) do not tap.
Many others
So true, Tsitsipas keeps his more neutral, he does not "pat the dog", and he has a top tier pro forehand, with among the highest spin rates in pro tennis(per ShotSpot data).
Not really, he closes his racket face and then in opens when he accelerates
Since I played mostly table tennis in the past how do I start doing the forehand the right way without injuring my wrist? I find it hard to hit the ball properly without hurting/using my wrist.
Any advice?
try a lose grip. look how children learn to play. do not tighten your arm, wrist , just swing
@@Alexander-dt2eq Keep it loose throughout the stroke, even at the point of contact?
@@WacKaKO yes loose throughout the whole stroke, but at the point of contact you keep it tight (but do not think of it, it will come naturally, just focus on a loose swing)
relax before, and accelerate. because the tennis racquet is much heavier than a table tennis racquet, your intention to accelerate will require the leg, the rotation of the body, the arm instead of the wrist. From table tennis, keep the brush, thin contact that transform the acceleration into as much spin as possible to get security / control through acceleration.
@@ericdurand9593 The brush in table tennis is with a much more closed angle for more brush though which isn't possible due to the frame and not enough spin imparted on the ball. I have to adjust to a much more open racket which is hard.
Most players who have a Static racquet drop started with a straight back swing with the racquet head in a low position. Then added a loop later in development. The drop and forward swing on any ground stoke should have zero stop or hesitation.
This is a great video. I wrecked my forehand forcing to close the racket face. Now I just do it my way which is more like Del Potro.
Funny😅
im going through this now..I have coach who wants me to close the raquet face and mine been open for like 15 years lol
A lot of coaches use pat the dog and pet the dog interchangeably. I think tap or pat is wrong because it is static. But do you teach pet or stroke the dog, as it should be okay since it is continuous?
Some coach say to suck the dog
Nikola funny, as I opened this link to view - your competitor had placed an ad pre viewing promoting the opposite/contradictory to your content. Might just stick with your teachings
Lol I saw the same ad, Nick explanation makes sense and it is more intuitive 😉
Karen Kachanov's pauses his take back when the racket is closed tho. Is it fundamentally wrong or some people can play like that?
He doesn’t have a static racquet drop. His drop is continuous like all other players. Racquet position in takeback is next gen th-cam.com/video/D7-oL1H0Ij4/w-d-xo.html
0:19-0:21 --> That's me all the time hahahah.
Del Potro has one of the greatest forehand in the world, and he doesn't close the racket face at all behind him.
A number of top players don't have any drop phase in their forehand action at all. For example, there's no drop phase in Medvedev's forehand (th-cam.com/users/shorts-lbsK8jz_Yw) or Sinner's forehand (th-cam.com/users/shortsMqH99wWojLA). Both of them simply take the racket back (prepare) into the position from which they are going to launch their swing, then swing. But some players do seem to have a drop phase - eg Alcaraz (th-cam.com/users/shortswZBQ6_xSfGg) who we can see has his racket high and pointing up, then he drops the head, then he launches his swing. I don't know enough about it to understand why some players have a drop phase. The more intuitive option to me would be to prepare the racket into the position from which one was going to launch the swing, rather than prepare, then drop, then swing. But I don't pretend to understand these matters.
The reason your tap the dog don't work is because you are not supposed to lift the racket again (which you did) after tapping the dog. Of course your shots are going to fail. You should learn the it correctly first before criticizing it.
Absolutely right, if you go up again you lose your rhythm and the acceleration.
funny because i just got a ad on how to not drop the racket
Nice exagération :) at the beginnig
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Pet/tap the dog is something I learnt early on when playing tennis. The idea is to create a bit of a lag to increase power and reduce stiffness, but to drop your racket to that position hasn't been helpful for me and created bad habits.
I agree that "pat the dog" position is a bit of personal stylistic thing. Some pros don't use this technique but still have strong FH.
But also I believe that every person's body are 99% the same structure. I don't belive in such thing as "different person has different bio-mechanics". Most of human's body are 99% the same. Many of the pro skills are also suited for us normal players. It's just a matter of learning and practising.
As the "pat the dog" position is adapted by many pros, it is already a proven skill or "a part of a proven skill". It's clearly no wrong in itself in terms of kinetic stuff, not just for those pros using this technique, but also for other 99% normal people.
The reason why your every swing failed is quite simple. The way you swing is totally wrong. IMO you're just deliberately hitting the ball out. Because even your swing is incorrect, at your skill level and the feeling for the tennis you can't hit it out every time.
Also to correct that, (suppose you don't know the correct swing but I doubt that) you don't need any backswing from this position, all you need is just turn your hip and hit up and away from your body and hit through the ball. With practice you'll soon get both power and precision easily from this "static racquet position".
Exactly!! If this ‘pat the dog’ is part of modern/next gen FH, then it would works eventhough it’s not perfect. What he showed was horrible and unnatural except newly player that hit the ball first time can give those result.🙃
It doesn't work 'coz your doing it wrong😂😂😂
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This is such a wrong demonstration and lack of understanding of the Federer forehand technique. He is ignoring the unit turn and there is no leg drive, and that swing was all arm which is completely opposite of what Federer and what 99 percent of the male pros forehand technique is
I feel like he somewhat does that in his own forehands as well. It looks quite arm first
Well said, but as a tennis coach, what Federer has done is led a slew of amateur players to want to hit the ball with their arms completely straight which is extremely hard. By bending your elbow and pivoting off it instead of your shoulder, it's a much more stable stroke.
Just cause he's one of legendary players doesn't mean his forehand can be emulated. I could tell you 99% of the population will be able to hit a better forehand with a bent elbow like most pros do.
The moral of a fable on this is: never attempt to copy pro players strokes.
I don't trust any other source of tennis coaching than Intuitive Tennis
The first video from you I disagree on. When you build a young player's forehand you build it by telling them to start from the racket drop position to focus on follow trough and contact point. The loop comes later. If you do it the other way around as you suggest, it is much more incosistent and you struggle to teach them the correct contact point.
Federer , actually , flips his racquet with a very loose elbow - I wish to learn how to keep racquet . It looks like he uses a belt on his son ass, or , like a launching a lasso towards a house - loose though also with the strong fingers... He goes from keeping the face of the racquet completely vertical , goes down and flips it on the level of the ball bounced up.
Belt on sons ass LOL
Usually like your videos, but this one is disappointing. You’re certainly good enough to show that technique properly and talk about hip rotation, weight transfer and making contact with the ball in front of your body.
Dropping the ball taking your racquet back behind you and slapping the ball out off your back leg certainly isn’t part of that stroke.
Then saying it doesn’t work isn’t an honest assessment. Saying it might be uncomfortable or unnatural feeling to some and introducing an alternative method to try instead would be a better service to the viewers in my opinion.
Sorry, but RF doesn't drop his racquet as you are saying in your video....he never has a Static racquet drop....his drop is commensurate w/ his timing based on his opponent's ball
No one can really copy Federer, he is out of this world.
Useful video but, to be honest, I fastforwarded a lot because I didn’t feel the need to watch so many times this wrong technic. I was expecting that you will also show the correct, continuous, smooth forehand...
bro what are u doing 💀
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Good acting 😂
It is really Rick Macci's fault for originally coining this and spewing "tap the dog" as if it were gospel 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
I wana rick macci play tennis . Can he even play
Soy what you have to do not what you don t have to do
Stop with the VERY ANNOYING grunting sounds.
It is Federer's fault, but we need to accept that human being is completely an idiot creature, something likes to self-destruct, and keep moving on
meh, this plus some clickbait videos you did lately covinced me to unsubscribe
well, there is nothing 100% wrong. I guess it depends on individual. You can do it doesn't mean others can't do it.