"Not a big fan of Cream" he says and the other fellow says " "They had their time" G thanx guys for your knowledgeable expert opinions. Appreciations to the Hedonist below for telling it like it was, is, and will always be. Classics are timeless.
As someone who has been involved in music for over 50 years, I don't find Cream dated. That blend of jazz, blues and rock is timeless for many. Ginger's character aside, that period he spent with Cream was extremely creative and he influenced many drummers around the world.
An emotionally disturbed man who was systematically abused as a child. There are many around like this, who failed to seek the help they so rightly deserved.
Just watched this tonight,on the day Ginger passed. Absolutely amazing drummer, with an artistic temperament... May the old bigger rest in peace ( though I doubt it!!!) ♥
Ginger was interviewed for the Baker’s Dozen feature on the Quietus website, where you choose thirteen albums you love. Ginger was the only person who exclusively picked his own records!
Getting your nose broken by being struck by a cane is nothing to laugh about. It is a good film. The cartoon drawings and references to Ben Hur and the rowing on the slave war ship was a nice touch. The film touched on a core reason Ginger got messed up. During World War Two, as the troop train pulled away from the station, Ginger went running after his dad, screaming in tears. He knew he would never see his dad again alive. Ginger’s dad died as a British soldier. It devastated Ginger and formed a major part of who he was. Under that hard shell, there was a very sensitive, emotional, loving man.
He gets emotional when talking about the drummers he admired and become friends. He lost his father when he was a child and never knew him. These drummers were father figures.
I disagree with this review. I think it's a good and interesting documentary that gives an honest and unpolished picture of a drumming genius. I am a Cream fan and they are one of the 60's bands that have aged the best.
One only has to have a listen to "White Room" to clear away any doubt that Ginger Baker was one of the great drummers! He studied many different drumming styles from around the world, particularly Africa, and used it in his drumming style. His polyrhythmic drumming style was pioneering and left many other drummers just gobsmacked! Listen to "Toad" and you will not believe it is just one drummer playing, you'd swear he was an octopus with 8 arms. Amazing grand master of drumming.
Imagine people harassing you with all kind of stupid questions. Wouldn't it drive a normal person mad? I understand Maestro Baker's behaviour, although I would probably never be this way, because we have different personalities. Just see his love shining through the passage where he talks about his favourite drummers who became his friends! That's when you see the real Ginger Baker, full of admiration and gratefulness. The rest is just his way of protecting himself against the crazy world of show business. Who would blame him for that? Respect Mr. Baker and R.I.P. Thanks for the great music and your contribution to the renewal of music!
These are people who enjoy the sound of their own voices, they feed on the lives of others and have nothing to offer any of us. Baker whatever his faults was inspirational and talented and Cream have their place in history forever. I didn’t know him and neither did these pompous, ridiculous creatures who should go back to Radio 2 and be force fed a diet of Village People and Betty Manilowe !
As a teenager, he was my mate Paul s next-door neighbor in leafy suburbia .No idea at the time what a living legend he was .Sad to see him pass but dont think anyone who knew him in his prime thought he would make 40 let alone 80
@@hardtohandleweddingbandent8653 Bands directly influenced by Cream: Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, and Black Sabbath. Hence all rock (and all music with any rock influences) post 1968 has been influenced by Cream. Bands directly influenced by Abba: Steps.
I think it's all about insecurity and self worth. My greatest hope - as a huge fan of his drumming - was that he might mellow with age and be a bit nicer, but it seems the opposite has happened. I think it's incredibly sad that towards the end of life Ginger still cannot let his guard down and be a nice person and smile and be happy.
I disagree with Mark Kermode, this is a great documentary. It's fascinating, pacy, and a brilliant insight into a crazy man and a wonderful drummer, warts and all.
I don't think that he said that it wasn't a good documentary at all. He just said that Baker was an unpleasant man, which he was, and the film didn't try to airbrush him.
Cream were boring, pretentious and self-indulgent. The music is very dated. Few bands play 15 minute drum solos these days, thank goodness. Ginger Baker was an arsehole.
Listened to Disraeli Gears all the way through for the first time a couple of years ago. It has it's moments and created a legacy that I would not want to do without.....but the production generally and Jack Bruce's singing specifically lock it into that time period in a way that many other classics manage to transcend.
Who said I was offended? I just think Kermode is full weight whether you like it or not! Besides, how would I have known until I'd watched the video? What you said doesn't make sense.
...So he was right, based on those rather patronizing comments about Cream. If you don't know what you're listening to, or understand it, what the hell are you doing making a movie about it?
I didn't come away thinking what a horrible person he is...you'd have to be a bit of a moron to sit n' judge. The guy went through multitudes of experiences that most of us haven't even contemplated...let alone, lived. The documentary starts with him hitting someone that says a lot about the way the documentary maker depicts him as the boombastic drummer. It's one side of a coin.
Yeah, how can anyone sit and judge a man who ditched his wife and kids, was horrible to his wife and his son, ran off with his daughter's boyfriend's sister and displays no remorse for any of the lives he ruined, his own daughter thinks it would have been better had she not been born, but you'd have to be a moron to sit n'judge, after all, he was good at playing drums.
@@chumptown259 ....None of these "defenders of the indefensible" would take such a relaxed attitude had these women or children been close family members of theirs. Only so much can be overlooked. There comes a point where a person's long history of remorseless rottenness is so pervasive that it negates any good they've done.
No, not really, If you put on Cream for someone now who never heard of them, the first reaction would likely be: Oh, this was from the 60's right? The music does in fact sound dated, good but still dated or "of it's time." However you play Zep IV or Physical Graffiti and they could easily have been released in the 70's, 90's, or even now...they sound fresh.
@@tedwojtasik8781 No ,if anything all your suggestions sound dated ,they would have to,everything is of its time ,that is my point .All the good stuff is listenable because it has become part of the fabric of life ,including Led Zeppelin that,s why you can use ,say Cream in a soundtrack to an eighties mafia film or in an advert ."Dated "becomes less relevant as all the good stuff becomes iconic
"Not a big fan of Cream" he says and the other fellow says " "They had their time" G thanx guys for your knowledgeable expert opinions. Appreciations to the Hedonist below for telling it like it was, is, and will always be. Classics are timeless.
As someone who has been involved in music for over 50 years, I don't find Cream dated. That blend of jazz, blues and rock is timeless for many. Ginger's character aside, that period he spent with Cream was extremely creative and he influenced many drummers around the world.
Many thousands don't find it dated. He can stick to his 80's disco.
anybody that thinks cream is dated hasn’t heard the right albums, the best cream was their live stuff
Ginger Baker is a real person, a real star and not a celebrity. Awesome to see someone genuine with talent. Does not happen often these days!
An emotionally disturbed man who was systematically abused as a child. There are many around like this, who failed to seek the help they so rightly deserved.
His father died during the war... Ginger was four.
May He Rest In Peace 10-06-2019
Just watched this tonight,on the day Ginger passed.
Absolutely amazing drummer, with an artistic temperament...
May the old bigger rest in peace ( though I doubt it!!!) ♥
Ginger was interviewed for the Baker’s Dozen feature on the Quietus website, where you choose thirteen albums you love. Ginger was the only person who exclusively picked his own records!
Getting your nose broken by being struck by a cane is nothing to laugh about. It is a good film. The cartoon drawings and references to Ben Hur and the rowing on the slave war ship was a nice touch. The film touched on a core reason Ginger got messed up. During World War Two, as the troop train pulled away from the station, Ginger went running after his dad, screaming in tears. He knew he would never see his dad again alive. Ginger’s dad died as a British soldier. It devastated Ginger and formed a major part of who he was. Under that hard shell, there was a very sensitive, emotional, loving man.
nice knowledge that. my dad always used to say he just took too many drugs haha.
The doc made it perfectly clear. He was a sheet human being.
How can you not be a fan of cream?lol
Cream was very good. I loved Blind Faith. They did not have much output, but some of their songs are real gems.
Kermode likes Elton John, so . .
If anyone wants to know just how great Ginger Baker was, please listen to "Those Were the Days" from "Wheels of Fire."
Absolutely. And "White Room" just totally blows me away too.
Give 'em hell in Hell Ginger RIP
He gets emotional when talking about the drummers he admired and become friends. He lost his father when he was a child and never knew him. These drummers were father figures.
I absolutely loved this documentary.
Great documentary...
not everybody gets to go through life being loved, who knew the pain that shaped this man. RIP Sir Ginger
His level of skill w/ Fela Kuti is pretty brilliant. RIP Ginger Baker
I disagree with this review. I think it's a good and interesting documentary that gives an honest and unpolished picture of a drumming genius. I am a Cream fan and they are one of the 60's bands that have aged the best.
One only has to have a listen to "White Room" to clear away any doubt that Ginger Baker was one of the great drummers! He studied many different drumming styles from around the world, particularly Africa, and used it in his drumming style.
His polyrhythmic drumming style was pioneering and left many other drummers just gobsmacked!
Listen to "Toad" and you will not believe it is just one drummer playing, you'd swear he was an octopus with 8 arms.
Amazing grand master of drumming.
Thanks Baker for creating 5/4 beat for the intro of "White Room"
Think it's possible that composers before him wrote in 5/4. But he thought that Bolero was written in 9/8...I think... but it wasn't.
@@stephenreeds3632 sure, like Dave Brubeck. Bolero' s time signature is a simple 3/4
I love his quote after getting the sack from Hawkwind, "The world's best drummer has just been sacked by the world's worst guitarist!"
Barrie Hellon-Warwick I saw him play with Hawkwind at Hammersmith Odeon in, ooh, 1980 probably. He wasn’t wrong.
My brother is a ginger, and mr baker reminds me in many ways of what type of personality my big brother really is.
HEAVEN... beware of Mr Baker...🙋🙋🙋
Cream and Blind Faith are of my time, and I still love their music. Great respect for Ginger, but he clearly was a terror.
Band members were physically scared of him and surely that's dreadful.
Imagine people harassing you with all kind of stupid questions. Wouldn't it drive a normal person mad? I understand Maestro Baker's behaviour, although I would probably never be this way, because we have different personalities. Just see his love shining through the passage where he talks about his favourite drummers who became his friends! That's when you see the real Ginger Baker, full of admiration and gratefulness. The rest is just his way of protecting himself against the crazy world of show business. Who would blame him for that? Respect Mr. Baker and R.I.P. Thanks for the great music and your contribution to the renewal of music!
These are people who enjoy the sound of their own voices, they feed on the lives of others and have nothing to offer any of us. Baker whatever his faults was inspirational and talented and Cream have their place in history forever. I didn’t know him and neither did these pompous, ridiculous creatures who should go back to Radio 2 and be force fed a diet of Village People and Betty Manilowe !
Sad day today.... RIP Ginger...
So, Mark Kermode likes Abba but doesn't like Cream. Any further opinion invalidated...
As a teenager, he was my mate Paul s next-door neighbor in leafy suburbia .No idea at the time what a living legend he was .Sad to see him pass but dont think anyone who knew him in his prime thought he would make 40 let alone 80
Ginger acted, toward the end of his life, like so many people I've met and seen in my working life who have had acquired brain injury. I guess he did.
So Mark Kermode doesn't like Cream or Blind faith but loves Abba! oh dear
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Bands directly influenced by Cream: Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, and Black Sabbath. Hence all rock (and all music with any rock influences) post 1968 has been influenced by Cream.
Bands directly influenced by Abba: Steps.
He said he enjoyed the documentary it’s okay to say you don’t like the music but recognise the brilliance of a person.
Says all you need to know about him really
Oh, I agree with him. As Mayo said, all that 60s noodling is "of its time". ABBA are for the ages yet to come
Ginger is the MAN!
I love how Simon throws in Abba The Movie and then Mark concludes the review by summarizing his thoughts on that movie.
we love you Ginger - you are always with us
I think it's all about insecurity and self worth. My greatest hope - as a huge fan of his drumming - was that he might mellow with age and be a bit nicer, but it seems the opposite has happened. I think it's incredibly sad that towards the end of life Ginger still cannot let his guard down and be a nice person and smile and be happy.
Steve Powell He smiles while playing drums. Because that is the only time he is truly happy.
Probably because it was the only thing in his life he really understood
According to his son, Kofi, right towards the end that did finally happen.
I disagree with Mark Kermode, this is a great documentary. It's fascinating, pacy, and a brilliant insight into a crazy man and a wonderful drummer, warts and all.
I don't think that he said that it wasn't a good documentary at all. He just said that Baker was an unpleasant man, which he was, and the film didn't try to airbrush him.
Rip Ginger, great drummer👍
Pete Brown talks about it in the film itself, and there is that famous clip from "Gonks Go Beat" also featured.
Excellent, must see this.
Just read Doug Butler's 'Moon The Loon'.
F-ing A , Mr. Baker. Hope you punched the Devil on your way. Thank you for the entertainment .
Sacrilege "of it's time" so many bands would not be around without them. Honestly where do they find these people.
Cream were boring, pretentious and self-indulgent. The music is very dated. Few bands play 15 minute drum solos these days, thank goodness. Ginger Baker was an arsehole.
That's the middle classes for you. Culturally benign.
Listened to Disraeli Gears all the way through for the first time a couple of years ago. It has it's moments and created a legacy that I would not want to do without.....but the production generally and Jack Bruce's singing specifically lock it into that time period in a way that many other classics manage to transcend.
Pygmies in Borneo like Cream and Blind Faith!
Let's hear it for the Pygmies in Borneo!
Bloody fantastic!!
When your dad tells you that your fists are your best friends there's not a lot you can do.
I thought it a fine documentary.
Kermode......motor mouth. What talent do you bring to the world?
If you are offended by Mark's criticisms, why watch a video that exclusively features criticism.
Who said I was offended? I just think Kermode is full weight whether you like it or not! Besides, how would I have known until I'd watched the video? What you said doesn't make sense.
Bang those drums in the skies, Ginger
...So he was right, based on those rather patronizing comments about Cream. If you don't know what you're listening to, or understand it, what the hell are you doing making a movie about it?
RIP Ginger...
He’s returned to God, who is pure love, now.
Genius mad dogs don’t age well they only get meaner
Genius ? yea he sure could sure hit those drums in time sure .For sure .
"Blind faith and Cream are of their time".
Behave yourself. Stick to what you know best mate, whatever that is.
I didn't come away thinking what a horrible person he is...you'd have to be a bit of a moron to sit n' judge. The guy went through multitudes of experiences that most of us haven't even contemplated...let alone, lived. The documentary starts with him hitting someone that says a lot about the way the documentary maker depicts him as the boombastic drummer. It's one side of a coin.
Yeah, how can anyone sit and judge a man who ditched his wife and kids, was horrible to his wife and his son, ran off with his daughter's boyfriend's sister and displays no remorse for any of the lives he ruined, his own daughter thinks it would have been better had she not been born, but you'd have to be a moron to sit n'judge, after all, he was good at playing drums.
@@chumptown259 ....None of these "defenders of the indefensible" would take such a relaxed attitude had these women or children been close family members of theirs. Only so much can be overlooked. There comes a point where a person's long history of remorseless rottenness is so pervasive that it negates any good they've done.
rip
"Of its time" .What a pointless and inaccurate thing to say .You may as well say that about Miles Davis ,Jimi Hendrix or Picasso.
No, not really, If you put on Cream for someone now who never heard of them, the first reaction would likely be: Oh, this was from the 60's right? The music does in fact sound dated, good but still dated or "of it's time." However you play Zep IV or Physical Graffiti and they could easily have been released in the 70's, 90's, or even now...they sound fresh.
@@tedwojtasik8781 No ,if anything all your suggestions sound dated ,they would have to,everything is of its time ,that is my point .All the good stuff is listenable because it has become part of the fabric of life ,including Led Zeppelin that,s why you can use ,say Cream in a soundtrack to an eighties mafia film or in an advert ."Dated "becomes less relevant as all the good stuff becomes iconic
waste of time - arrogant take
For a man who only had around 2 years of success in his entire career a lot of time and attention is paid to him.
thats mark kermode i'm referring to,not ginger
You feel strong now? 🙄🙄
@@Luvie1980 yup,anything to expose creeps