Dude, I'd buy that shirt faster than you can explain the ranking of your three favorite batman movies. Especially if there is a tagline somewhere that says "The show whose only real crime was loving pop culture too much. And arson, that one time."
I'm pretty sure the two Star Wars examples were plans where "Plan A" went wrong and so everyone had to improvise a "Plan B." Return of the Jedi: If Leia had made it out of Jabba's palace with Han in the middle of the night, pretty sure Luke wouldn't have needed to involve himself and Lando would have gotten Chewie and the droids out or something like that. But, as Sun Tzu once famously said, when stealth fails, your only recourse is to blow up a hovering pleasure palace. Prequels: Sheevy P's plan at first was to mire the senate in bureaucratic BS with the whole trade blockade thing. Then Qui-gon and Obi-wan get in and mess up that, so Palpy figures he can maybe finangle his way into the Chancellorship with more bureaucratic BS. Pretty sure running both sides of a war was always in the cards for him, though; it's hard to justify killing a bunch of space wizards that people respect (who you secretly hate) without a war going on. Also easier to get your army of clones to do the job for you instead of going around lightning bolting each one individually.
Same, to some degree, with Joker's. He's the Joker: he put bombs in a ton of people because: Joker. He had corrupt cops capture Dent and Dawes because: Joker. He had 20 other things he did that we aren't aware of because they didn't come to fruition.
Thing to remember about Joker is that he didn't HAVE a plan, he just did things. The fact that things worked out in his favor is just plot and/or luck. If both people had gotten blown up, he wouldn't have cared. If both the ships blew up? Fan freakin tastic. On to the next thing. The Joker is literally insane, he just DOES things. He doesn't care about outcomes, he just cares that things happen.
In the Empire Strikes Back one, Their plan wasn't that detailed. They had some original plans, which failed and then they had some safeguards in place (like Lando, the lightsaber in R2) in case the plan didn't work. Which it didn't. They pretty much winged it from there. It wasn't a detailed plan of "Okay we'll be here, and here and here, and we'll wait for....". They tried to just straight up rescue Han, but had a lightsaber stashed just in case they got caught. Just like maybe you keep an extra gun hidden on you in case you get caught and disarmed, but you aren't actually planning on getting disarmed. Luke didn't PLAN to fall into the Rancor pit. Gold Bikini wasn't part of the plan.
Actually, I think we see several competing plans. Like, I don't think Leia and Lando knew about each other. Lando was just there, hoping for an opportunity. Leia and Chewie had a plan. Luke may or may not have known about that plan, but wasn't part of it. And if he knew about it, he expected it to fail. And Luke had multiple plans, but not detailed plan. As in Plan C was "if all that didn't work, I'll come up with something. R2 will have my lightsaber". Plan A ("I ask nicely and Jabba gives Han back") was expected to fail, but you have to try. And, of course, the Force is strong with young Skywalker, so a lot of things fall into place for him. I mean, Luke didn't come up with a plan that said "And Lando will disguise himself as one of the guards," but the Force said "He could use an ally in Jabba's palace, who could we nudge into going there?"
@@spyone4828 They cannot possibly know each other's plans. Because everyone had the same goal (free Han) without being dependent or coordinated with each other. Biggest problem is that Lucas had no plan. He just put together something that looked awesome. Therefore, it is not possible to understand what plans were involved, there were none.
Yeah, I know this is a comedy show, but it seems like the criticisms are supposed to be semi-serious? I don't know why they came to the conclusion that the plan went as executed?
@@Theopheus probably that line from Luke saying he's thought of everything? Seperating the mess into unrelated plans only superficially makes it better, because then the other people's plans are even more simplistic dead ends. Lando was either there as part of Luke's plan, or...what? He was with Leia and showed up way early and then did nothing to help? They were supposed to just leg it out the door after freeing Han? Luke specifically sent his weapon in a droid so he showed up unarmed? Why? That's not a contingency, that's a handicap. One theory I saw was that Luke saw that he'd end up killing people and wanted to avoid it. He got too cocky and tried to be clever, forgetting that historically, he's an idiot with bad plans. See: no plan for escaping death star, and Luke at cloud city, basically all of it.
I always kind of assumed that the plan to save Han Solo just went repeatedly awry, and that by the time everybody got to the Sarlacc pit, Luke was on Plan C or D or Q or something. Maybe I gave the movie too much credit...
No, you're absolutely right. They sent in Leia to unfreeze him and smuggle him out; she got caught. Luke went in to ask Jabba to turn Han over or else. Jabba refused. They then went to, at least, plan C: violence is the answer. Maybe there were more; I haven't seen it in a while.
i mean the final plan is pure desperation of r2 hiding the saber and throwing it to him at the last second and han inadvertently knocking the son of the model of the clone army into the pit i think it's all hinting at the force being at play more than luke's master ability at intricate planning, that's why the movies are perpetually salvageable because there should be some way to make the force a more active element of the action than making it so much about political bureaucracy (except that works well as an exhibition of the sith mindset)
@@SchulzEricT Luke entered Jabbas fortress unarmed and he had no hand in where R2 would be used by Jabba. If violence ever was an option, it sure was strange why he didn't enter the fortress armed.
Ok, in defense of Palpatine, his whole point was to manufacture a crisis in order for the Senate to dismantle itself (and associated inefficiencies of Democracies) in favor of the security and efficiency of a Dictatorship. Rome did this to itself accidentally over the course of several decades before Caesar Augustus did his thing. Also, he's a little bit clairvoyant.
There's also some heavy hinting in Revenge of the Sith that Palpatine was directly responsible for Anakin's birth. If we assume that he did in fact influence the midichlorians (leave me alone) to create Anakin, everything else in his plan does make sense. I don't know if I would necessarily choose his plan if I were interested in starting a galactic empire (seriously, he directly caused mass famine and suffering among his own people in Phantom Menace), but all of the details do fit if you make a few educated assumptions.
Palpatine didn't want to have to hide his cruelty or answer to the will of politicians. This is why the Empire was his ultimate goal! He didn't have complete control of the Galaxy before Order 66. He needed to answer to a democratically elected body of political malcontents. Furthermore... he wanted to wipe out the Jedi... explain how easy genocide is under a democracy?
The plan in Star Wars makes sense if you assume that the one that worked is the last of six failed plans. Each of them had a plan to free Han until they all either failed or took too long to act, and Luke sighed and decided to do it himself with space magic.
Yeah, i'd always thought, that all of these plans are more like half the "plan" was planned, and the second half, improvised. Give these plans the benefit of "there is a plan" but what actually happens is "the plan" + improvised reactions....since no plan survives contact with reality is a common saying.
Except he brings up a good point. R2 had Luke's lightsaber. He was just going to give R2 to Jabba as a gift to get Jabba to release Han and then leave without R2 or his lightsaber?
The Clone Wars was Palpatine's elaborate scheme to weaken and destroy the Jedi. He knew they were his biggest threat. What better way to maintain complete control by waging a war in which you control both sides of!
@@sciencenate That's not a real rule. "Do you want this ice cream I've licked both sides of?" Alright it's not a super common sentence but that's not the point.
@@mario.de.oliveira13 si Palpatine really that obvious of a bad guy if one hasn't seen the original trilogy? Most of the arguments that he's obviously evil is dependent on the knowledge that he is the emperor.
I would go so far as to say they are the best things on the entire internet right now. Except for porn. The internet would wither and die without all the porn.
Plans can be adjusted as they progress. You don't start a plan and then throw it all out when an unknown factor arises. Leah didn't need to be found out as part of the plan. Isn't it safe to assume that her being found out wasn't part of the plan, but it happened and they just rolled with it. I legitimately don't understand the criticism of palpatine's plan. His plot to control an entire galaxy was convoluted? Yea. Anakin probably wasn't a part of his initial plan, he added him on to the plan.
Joker never said anything about him not being a guy with a pan. Joker asked a question "Do I look like a guy with a plan?" he put it out their and allowed Harvey to make his own judgment and so giving into chaos Harvey did not make that call. This is going back to the theme of the Killing Joke story, Joker was just trying to give someone else that one really bad day that drove them over the edge.
Joker's convoluted plan inspired terrible villain plans in Skyfall, Lex luthor in BvS, the guy in Captain America Civil War which also could qualify to be in this vid
the star-wars thing was a huge mess of several different escape attempts mixing together that all went wrong and improvised their way to victory because movie...
the clones alone would have been enought to wipe out most Jedi and Palpatine had good enough manipulation skills to bring the people to his side. Anakin was good PR and a good enforcer but wasn't needed for the plan to work
@R Nickerson The plan was for the Sith to wipe out the Jedi and take control of the galaxy which would have gone pretty much the same without him, having Anakin do it instead kind of seems like an ego thing to me
Palpatine's plan and manipulation of the senate in the background is the best thing about the Prequals. Underneath all that CGI crap George actually made a half decent movie, too bad it's taking center stage to shoehorning in every other possible toy or merch tie-in.
the palatine plot is what is called a false flag tactic. and the death star was a hammer that was needed for a guy in power that saw nothing but half hammered nails.
Actually I think Palpatine's plan was more complicated than a false flag tactic. He was playing both sides, but since he controlled both sides he didn't care which side won. If the Separatist had legitimately beat in the Republic, he would have taken his place as Darth Sidious, Ruler of the CIS Empire. But if the Republic won, as it did, he would take his place as Emperor Palpatine ruler of the Galactic Empire.
Anyone else like think that, because Dan clearly does not have an earpiece in, he's listening to a second voice in his head telling him how to produce the show telling him what's going to be on the show next week?
As far as I remember, Sheev Palpatine's plan had less to do with him coming to power and more to do with reforging the galaxy to be able to fight the Yuuzhan Vong, an intergalactic alien species that would pose a threat in the future. He needed an excuse to create vast armies and weapons to fight them, because a Sith Lord running around yelling, "I want to save y'all!" wouldn't fly. The death star was actually meant to destroy their planet-sized cannons. I'm not saying he's not a villain, just that his plan had a purpose.
Brett Colmer And it also gave Palpatine the ability to keep the origin of the Clone army a secret. In that the public, including the Jedi, wouldn't just stop for a moment and ask, "where did this army come from, who paid for it, and why?" He only says that he will use his emergency powers to create an army, then a finger snap later, fully supplied army pops out of thin air.
Plus, the galactic conflict was made so that the Jedi are too busy running around the galaxy, they don't realize that their biggest threat is at their home. The Jedi were to proud to let the Senate know that they had lost the ability to sense important things so the government never became independent. They stayed dependent on the no longer relevant/useful powers of the Jedi that had been apart of their government for Millenia
Yeah Dan's being an idiot. As usual Cracked's shtick isn't actual analysis, it's just pop culture references, speaking fast, and trying to sound intelligent. Guess those Journalism majors have gotta go somewhere.
Also, Tarkin outright states that the senate is abolished as soon as he finishes testing out the Death Star, meaning that before this, as implied in Rebels and Rouge One, the senate still had some power until Paly had his doomsday weapon.
Not all of it mattered, if Jaba had accepted the droids it would've been done, if Leia had succeeded they would've escaped and Lastando would have exited with the droids, had Jaba submitted to Luke's mind trick then he and his group would've just left, had Jaba at any time given in to Luke's demands that would've been that, but they couldn't know if any of their plans would work so they set up several back up plans culminating in R2-D2 arming Luke on the sand ship.
But it relied on R2, an astromech droid, being assigned to serve drinks on the sail barge instead of something he'd been built for like repairing Jabba's smuggling ships in the Mos Eisley space port.
But Luke knew that Threepio would be there to cover for, and make excuses for, Artoo when he went to where Luke needed him to be. More to the point, Luke must have used the force to foresee that putting his lightsaber inside Artoo was the smart move even if he couldn't be certain why i.e. he allowed himself to be guided by the force.
You assume that all these movie plans are "plans". What if they don't have everything meticulously planned out from the start and just roll with the punches. What if the star wars crew were particularly crap at rescuing Han and need a few attempts. What if the joker has near unlimited resources and is able to make it up as he goes along.
Most of these convolutions seem easily explained by the adaptability of their perpetrators. The Joker makes plans, yes, but he also makes allowances for failure and rigs the playing field so that he still has enough of an advantage to wreak his mayhem if something goes wrong. Luke's plan to save Han doesn't seem so much a well-orchestrated heist as a series of moral qualifiers he employs to justify blowing up Jabba's sail barge--"First I'll try and negotiate Han free, but if that doesn't work, I've secured for myself enough of an advantage to kill all the bad guys if I have to." And the Emperor probably didn't plan for Anakin--but when he showed up, he probably thought, "If I can lure this kid to my side, my plot to rule the galaxy will probably be a lot easier and a lot more successful, and this kid is potentially stronger than Dooku anyway."
BardOfShwa This. You can narrate any history event this way, that doesn't mean everybody always plans for the way things turn out. People plan with a margin for error and make best of the situations.
Besides, when Anakin showed up, Papa Palps' plan was accelerated. He killed his master Darth Plagueis, secured the position of Supreme Chancellor "humbly and regrettably" all years in advance of when he originally planned them to happen because of the appearance of Anakin during Episode I.
The "Rescue Han" plan was meant to be done when Leia unfreezes him, but Jabba had been informed, and put a stop to Plan A right there. Having anticipated that this might happen, they had contingencies in place, like Lando being part of the security force, R2 having Lukes lightsaber etc to allow for Plan B, "Blow up everything, and escape in the chaos". It was kind of their thing
Nick Cameron exactly. I don’t understand what is so confusing about this. I love Daniel’s stuff, but this analysis of the prequels was stupid. Palpatines plan was brilliant.
Palpatine itself was the best part. He had so much fun and actually had motiviations and some developement. The plan was kinda meh and relied too much on everyone being dumb and stupid.
@@rickymcgowen6776 agreed. Bidens plan just relied on Trump being Trump. Against a competent opponent, it wouldn't have worked. Then again, you can only beat who you face.
Palpatine's plan was one of the few truly great things in the prequels! It didn't *require* Anakin at all...Dooku could have done all that stuff. Anakin was just a better sidekick, so Palpatine upgraded. The rest of his plan--what you call complicated nonsense--is really some brilliant Godfather-esque puppeteering.
Seriously, he weakened the Republic by orchestrating a war with the Trade Federation specifically so he could get executive powers, then he painted the Jedi as the bad guys at the end of the Clone Wars and that was easy to do because the people were already beginning to distrust them. The guy was a mastermind.
Exactly! The story arc of the prequels (Palpatine's rise to power and Anakin's fall to the Dark Side) is actually really good. It's the shitty dialogue, acting, and random nonsense (Jar Jar, etc) that drags those movies down. Perfect example of a great idea executed very poorly. Anyone who is interested in this side of the story should stop everything and go read Darth Plagueis. It delves much deeper into this subject and is probably the best Star Wars book I've ever read. Also, the audiobook is great for anyone who's into them. Great narration, music, and sound effects.
All these comments already say what I was planning to, but I'd like to add one thing; the reason that Palpatine was on both sides of the clone wars was that he engineered it to get the most powerful commercial and industrial factions in the galaxy -the government of the republic and the Jedi, on one side and the Trade Federation, techno union, banking clan etc on the other) and have them fight each other and essentially cripple each other through attrition. At the end of the clone wars, all these factions were significantly weaker than they had been, and he stepped into the void that was left and took control, while not mentioned in the films, I'm pretty sure the implication is that the resources of the various trade federation and similar organisations were nationalised and placed under the control of the Empire. This made Palpaine the de facto wealthiest and most powerful man alive. As for being a beloved senator, my general thoughts were that, while he had political power, it was the political power to broker deals and compromise, and he wanted "my word is law" power instead. Still, great video, I never tire of watching them.
And with regards to Anakin, I'm not sure if it's still canon, but Palpatine did know of his existence because Anakin was a result of an experiment by Darth Plageus, so he likely had some stuff going in the background to make sure Anakin found his way to the Jedi so he'd have the chance to corrupt him. Though I'll admit, that section of the plan was a little shakey.
Umm...no it wasn't...it was a ridiculous plan that relied on an unbelievable number of unpredictable things happening: 1. Chancellor Valorum taxes the trade routes 2. Queen Amidala survives the invasion, somehow, even though she's in disguise and because there's no way the Federation is going to gratuitously massacre civil servants, whom they don't know are the Queen, for fun 3. Said Queen somehow miraculously escapes imprisonment, miraculously steals a ship being guarded by a droid army, escapes a blockade armada and ship does not get shot down, which nearly happened if not for R2's miraculous intervention 4. Said rickety ship, containing said important Queen, does not disintegrate or crash and somehow makes it all the way back to Coruscant (again, if you forgot, this only happens because of a weirdly-coincidental series of podracing betting and trading that could have easily failed, then what?) 5. No one on the ship responds to the fake message sent, which would alert the Federation of the ship's location, getting them blown to bits, killing said important Queen 6. Said Queen is convinced to take the very drastic step of making a motion of no confidence 7. Said motion of no confidence works, and everyone votes for Palpatine 8. Naboo somehow wins its war against the much more powerful Trade Federation to regain independence, if it had failed no doubt he would look like a weak, incompetent Chancellor unable to defend his own home planet and then lose his position 9. Darth Maul gets killed making way for the all-important Count Dooku, who is the key to starting the Clone Wars 10. Obi-Wan Kenobi survives a huge adventure, cracks an immensely difficult puzzle that was solved because a fucking youngling coincidentally spoke up, finds the mysterious clone planet that was deleted from the archives, somehow discovers it, somehow survives getting attacked by a bounty hunter all to communicate said-important army to the Jedi Council 11. Obi-Wan somehow gets to Geonosis, without getting blown to smithereens by a bounty hunter, miraculously discovers the super-secret plan to attack the Republic, somehow communicates said super-secret plan right before getting captured, so that the Republic is on high-alert and knows war is coming 12. Senator Amidala, again the key to his plan to corrupt Anakin, not dying from her two separate assassination attempts and being miraculously saved at the last minute by her Jedi protectors 13. Senator Amidala being replaced by the incompetent. idiotic Jar Jar Binks, who would be malleable enough to propose that Palpatine get sweeping emergency powers 14. Using said emergency powers to create powerful clone army that, again, people know about because Obi-Wan defied death on numerous occasions to find the weird clone planet 15. Palpatine not dying while he was on Grievous's ship and was about to crash-land and explode on the planet's surface 16. Padme gets pregnant (no way they'd ever use birth control when trying to conceal an illicit relationship, right?) and Anakin simultaneously suffers from nightmares about her, coincidentally, dying in childbirth And probably many, many more things I missed
"do I look like a guy with a plan?" this is one of the most overused arguments to dark knight. Joker LIED about EVERYTHING!!! scars, plans, what role someone plays in the plan, etc. WHY would you believe THIS statement? it's established that Joker doesn't tell anyone the whole story or even an accurate piece of the story. so why?
I agree. I think this was actually the point of the very first scene of the film. The very first scene of the film is one in which The Joker carefully orchestrates a scheme in which he lies to all his men so he can screw them over by doing all the work and allowing himself to keep all the cash. So, we know that The Joker is a schemer and a liar. So, we know that when he claims to everybody that he's not a schemer, he's lying. He's the biggest schemer in the film.
exactly, it's so very annoying whenever i see these youtube snarkie asses talking that trash and taking his statement to two-face out of context. not including any other part of what the movie established for Joker. nope, it's just *dorky laugh* "he said he doesn't plan... oh plot hole." WRONG! if anyone really does think that, then this movie just went right over your simple mind... it's a shame.
Mad Max49 while I do agree with you. The specific mention of it in this list is about how crazy specific each step had to be and how convoluted the whole plan was. So yea the joker lies, sure. But why is this his actual plan? It's a god damn mess and so much so dependent on absolutely NOTHING going differently than how we saw it… amazingly, enjoyably crazy
It wasn't even a believable lie, told to someone who was in immense, mind-altering pain (and also physical) for the purposes of altering his mind (full circle)(small circle).
I'd just like to point out that "Do I look like a guy with a plan?" is not a statement. He never said "I don't have a plan". Otherwise, I agree with all of you. It's just that in this particular case, he wasn't technically lying.
Palpatine's plan is based on the civil war between Marc Anthony and Octavius which replaced the Roman Republic with the Roman Empire. Palpatine / Augustus.
I thought it was based on Lincoln. Lincoln had control as president, but still designed an attack on Fort Sumpter (as he outlined ahead of time in a private letter that he would do this) but no one died in the attack, just the celebratory cannon fire after the battle... to somehow instigate the war with the south... By seizing and holding a fort that wasn't very important or whatever and killed no one... All so he could reconsolidate the United States into a more authoritarian oligarchy... To free the slaves is a post war rationalization, which falls flat: The appropriate payments to a freed slave is 40 acres of land a gun and a mule, that's combined with the cost of slaves freedom, still would have been infinitely cheaper than fighting the war with the South if freeing the slaves was actually the goal. Plus Lincoln's comments and letters that were overtly racist and not kind to anyone not-white make it perfectly clear that he was a bitter racist and just wanted to fight the South for more power and control. Where does the Death Star fit in? Well, Lincoln also threatened to bomb and destroy any place that decided to meet about leaving the Union... Killing all, down to the women and children. Lincoln, America's first Terrorist Dictator Supreme. #Hitler&StalinWorshippedLincolnAsTheirRoleModelsNoJoke
They're all the same. Warmongers war for profit and power. Signing up to kill and die to make the rich richer is the stupidest thing a person could do. Ask a stormtrooper.
So, in a desperate plan to make all of Cracked feel better after losing the Webby's (even though I did vote for you), Daniel O'Brien revitalizes his status as an agent of Cracked but secretly changes it to Chaos. He pimps out the idea of t-shirts, mugs, posters, pens, hoverboard schematics, a game that lets you put whomever the hell you want on Mount Rushmore, etc. Everything is eco-friendly; chaos does not preclude conservation, maybe. Whichever one gets the most likes, he will claim as intentional from the start. We all win.
Can I just say that I love the Luke's mug on your desk. Especially because right before I watched this I was rewatching Gilmore Girls for the millionth time. Haha
I still think Palpatine's plan makes sense. There are a lot of things you missed and I'm not even talking about the books and comics. I would explain it but I really don't want to considering only a few people will see this. Just basically he needed to destroy the Jedi Order and Palpatine had a different plan before Anakin showed up.
I never really considered the return of the jedi thing as a masterstroke plan. I consider it more a matter of layering failure. I think the initial plan was just sneak in and rescue han. Lando hid as a guard to just keep an extra eye on Leia. R2d2 had the lightsaber just in case they needed it and luke figured he wouldn't get it in properly without sneaking it in in a droid. Luke came in chiefly to rescue Leia after she failed to get Han. He thought he'd be able to mostly mind trick his way through the situation but fails and is almost fed to the rancor. After Luke kills the Rancor he was taken to the sarlacc so jabba could end the madness all together. Luke sees that all of his pieces are in place to save the day even though that wasn't actually the plan. He certainly didn't plan on Leia killing jabba.
Thank you, it makes a little bit more sense now. Except for Chewie. To rescue one of your friends, you bring another friend to be prisonner? What if she succeed freeing Han? They would still have to save Chewie after all. Always seemed convoluted to me.
Could you maybe put the shows name(OPCD in case anyone forgot) in the title? Actually could you always do that? Not just this show, but with all your shows?
Now that Roger is back can we bring back Daniel so he can finish covering Palpatine’s ridiculous plan that included living Snoke puppets, Han’s emo son, a super Death Star, and an entire fleet of planet destroying ships that don’t know how to go up? I’m assuming he’s been keeping himself in a Han Solo stasis pod this whole time so he should be fresh.
I've been watching your videos for a while now, and you seem to bring up the Joker's plan in "The Dark Knight" a lot; in After Hours, in OPCD, in...other things. Anyway, I think it's important to remember that he didn't have one really big, complicated plan; he had several small, simple, concurrent plans. First, he needed to get Lau out of the MCU (Major Crimes Unit, although he also shows up in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, if you're paying attention). So, he has explosives sewn into the big fat guy and tells him to go get arrested. He was probably just going to wait until the guy got arrested, call the bomb from *outside* the police station, and then storm the place to get Lau. Second, he needed to draw out Batman. Whether he really believed Harvey Dent was Batman or not, he knew that attacking and capturing Harvey would do that. Either Harvey would turn out to be Batman, or Batman would show up to save him. Third, whoever Batman was, the Joker knew he loved Rachel, so he planned to have her captured. The firing squad at the Commissioner's memorial were wearing Rachel Dawes nametags, so he knew Batman would find out she was the target. Either Harvey was Batman and he could tie them both to barrels for some other nefarious reason, or Batman was someone else and the Joker could force Batman to rescue "one of them" as part of his general "I want to screw with people" goal. Here's the kicker. Getting captured himself was never part of the Joker's plan, no matter what Gordon may have thought. Obviously, these plans could be better run from outside of jail, but really, being in jail wouldn't affect them that much. The separate rooms with the barrels was set up ahead of time. The fat guy bomber was set up ahead of time. But like I said, they were separate plans. Once the Joker was in jail, he decided to combine his plans. He just needed to keep a close eye on the clock to make sure he sent Batman away in time. Once Batman and half the cops went looking for Harvey and Rachel, he just needed to get to a phone before they returned. Getting captured complicated his plans, but like I said, it didn't matter. Does that make sense?
I think that the "Breaking Han out of Jabba's Palace" plan wasn't so much a plan, as a lot of plans that kept going wrong, but had a lot of robustness. Like, Leia was supposed to sneak Han out of the palace, but she got captured. But they had agreed before hand that if she didn't come out by a certain time, the Luke was going in.
I think it's a simple as this: Palpatine is a Sith. THE Sith. So what he wants is to bring the galaxy into the dark side, by taking control of the government, killing off the Jedi, and subjugating the galaxy into a state of fear and oppression. How else would he do it? It's not just as simple as "he's evil", but it's pretty close. BTW manipulating the Chosen One was just a way to circumvent the prophecy which he knew of, so it was the smart thing to do to cover all his bases.
Cesar The Salad He also knew the actual background of Anakin, that being that the force created him as a counter measure to Plaugius's fucking with life.
Michael Worthy Exactly, none of these plans mentioned were dependent on every thing that happened falling into place. In each plan the characters took advantage of opportunities presented and worked with what they had to accomplish their overall goal.
You need the t-shirt that says "You're weird at sex and you should know that forever. Welcome to high school." That was probably my favorite of all of your quotes.
@DanielO'brien Palpatine knew of Anakin and his potential. His master, Darth plaugus created him in secret. This is all implied in episode III. Not the greatest story but still more complex than you made it seem. Love your show though
No Plagueis didnt. Palpatines plan didnt need Anakin either. I dont know how the creator of this video comes to this conclusion. Palpatine simply adapted to the situation.
@@Stego1819 So in your opinion, immaculate conception is just a thing that happened to Shmi Skywalker? No exterior force? Remember she said, "There was no father. I carried him, I gave birth, I raised him. I can't explain what happened." And Palpatine just casually mentions in episode III, "Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith so powerful and so wise, he could use the Force to influence the midi-chlorians to create...life ", while staring with admiring eyes at Anakin.. I think you gotta agree there's more to it.
@@mysunsetglasses No there isnt. Lucas said that Anakin was created by the force. The reason why Palpatine looks into Anakins eyes the way he does is because he knows Anakin searches for a way to save Padme.
Pretty sure Darth plagueis and Darth sidious use the force too. Like Daniel O'Brien said, it doesn't make sense if his plan hinged on a magic baby to help him out..... Unless it was controlled and planned. Which it basically was. Darth plagueis just didn't expect to die before he can utilize him.
@@mysunsetglasses How did his plan hinge on Anakin to begin with? The clones were enough for his plan to work. Anakin was the only worthy successor of Palpatine but that was it. Anakin was born by the force to bring balance. He is space jesus that is the entire point of the star wars saga.
But Joker's plan actually did involve dissolving the mafia. As indicated in his line, "this town deserves a better class of criminal... and I'm gonna give it to 'em."
Dude, you're usually better than this. Your entire rant about Palpatine/the Prequels feels like it was written by someone who has never seen a movie in his life.
Yeah, Dooku could have stayed Palpatine's apprentice and Sidious would have been fine. (Anakin was just a fine addition to his plan) Dooku was incredibly powerful and a capable warrior. As for the Death Star, it was to control planets in the stead of the senate. As for being a politician on Naboo for years, he was also training to be a Sith and murdering his family and other things. All the stuff he said was plain wrong most of the time and just sounded like he wanted to make the plan look bad.
Yeah, Palpatine's plan(s) work fine within the movies. There's a lot that's just not stated too, we just see a small part of what he did to make it all work. And we really don't need to see more: a 30 minutes scene of exposition going into the details of the plans would just be terrible.
He's the Joker: he put bombs in a ton of people because: Joker. He had corrupt cops capture Dent and Dawes because: Joker. He had 20 other things he did that we aren't aware of because they didn't come to fruition.
Also: what are you thinking when you watch Return of the Jedi? Because you missed, like, everything. The plan wasn't to fail at 2 plans then use the third, the plan was to try something and if it didn't work, fall back and implement the next plan. Idiot. They sent in Leia to unfreeze him and smuggle him out; she got caught. Luke went in to ask Jabba to turn Han over or else. Jabba refused. They then went to, at least, plan C: violence is the answer. Maybe there were more; I haven't seen it in a while.
ProjectRedfoot I kind of got the impression that his plan wasn't necessarily to wind up in prison precisely at that moment, it was more of a failsafe in case he did get caught. That's always the way i saw it anyway.
Thats exactly how I saw the events of dark knight. Joker probably did 2 dozen things off screen we never see because they either don't matter enough or just never worked. Even throughout the whole movie none of it really struck me as a plan. It was him just doing shit.
The Geckomancer you sure about that? He was pretty systematically going after the strengths of the criminal underworld, as well as the underpinnings of the justice system and trying to disrupt "normalcy". He may not have had some ultimate goal in mind, but it seemed as if he wanted to strike out at the way we saw human nature itself. He definitely had plans. His attempted assassination of the mayor was well coordinated, as was his attempt to kill Harvey. Taking of all those inmates and civilians wasn't really random either. All of that required a hell of a lot of preparation and forethought.
"Random force baby landing on his doorstep" Actually... Old star wars, Palpatine and his old master used massive amounts of force power to create life- That life ended up being Anakin aka Darth Vader. Darth Plagueis stories are the ones you should look up though man.
I really want to hear Daniel's thoughts on the Star Wars movies that have come out in the meantime. Like, saying that "Solo" is a load bearing name and finding out it was chosen by an imperial receptionist because he was alone? Come back, Daniel! You NEED to make your thoughts heard!
I can't help but think of this dude as a disgruntled rebel refusing to believe (and simultaneously admitting) that Darth Sidious bested the entire galaxy. He only reassured me the Palps is a selfish, evil, super-powered control freak...
1: That cluster wasn't the plan to begin with they had to improvise when Leia got captured. 2. Joker just wanted to watch Gotham burn. If he hadn't gotten caught by Gordon Bat man would have been dead along with Dent and whats her face...and the plot to capture the squealer would have gone through with out joker being on scene. 3. Palpatine was a Sith master so of course he distinguished himself. Jedi mind tricks. And he wanted to be emperor of the known universe so he had to create a huge conflict which he then solved making himself indispensable. The death star was the "nuclear deterrent" for any rebel factions which would seek to depose him because there is always one in the crowd.
Why no mention of episode 6 where luke literally throws away his light saber at one point because he feels like he is going to convince Vader to join him(which doesn't make actual sense). That deserves to be on this list more than the other 2 star wars ones.
that made some sense. palpatine's plan was worse in that very scene. luke was about to kill vader but palpatine kept mumbling how luke is getting into dark side by killing his father and luke stopped the fight.
You forgot to mention that if the coin flipped the other way that the Joker would be dead, and no one would be left to organize/manage the boat scene for Batman. His plan literally was so good it affected fate.
I always assumed that Palpatine just changed and reworked his plan to suit the situation as time went on. Perhaps originally he intended to use Padme as his puppet chancellor, subtly influencing her, but it was even better when he got to be chancellor himself. Also, Palpatine probably didn't need Anakin to kill the Jedi, Anakin was an added bonus. He only wanted to kill the Jedi because destroying the Jedi order is one of the main Sith aims.
One of the things you've overlooked in the overcomplicated workings of both Luke and Palpatine is that they can see visions of the future. I have always assumed that their plans include using the visions as guides to an unfolding path to achieve an outcome they desire. Overall, I still cleave to the notion that Jar Jar was actually the Uber mastermind behind the evil plans, but that Lucas backed off using him that way when he proved unpopular.
5:19 it's amazing how you can't even illustrate your words (because they are not true) but you do it anyway. Joker did not "rocket launch Batman to death as was his plan". He was trying to rocket launch Dent but Batman's car jumped in.
"Everything is preceding as I have foreseen!" Palpatine had the power of foresight, which was fortified with the spread of the dark side of the force across the galaxy. You'll often hear the Jedi complaining about how clouded their ability to perceive things through the force is, or how blind they felt going into the clone wars. The dark side is impenetrable to a light side user. But Palpatine was a Sith. His actions were preceded by his own ability to see the future. It was only when the galaxy was flooded with hope and light once more in the form of the Rebel Alliance that he couldn't see past his own arrogance, and he mistook his own delusion of turning Luke to the dark side as yet another vision of the future. As far as his goals were concerned, he wanted to destroy the Jedi, exterminate them completely. The only way to do that was to spread them out as thin as possible across the galaxy, and smash them between two armies. The Jedi were blinded from seeing the future, or across space, but that didn't change how fast they could move. An entire army of droids wouldn't be enough to destroy them, as can be seen with how quickly just a single Jedi and his apprentice could cut through the peak of that technology in episode one. Clones on the other hand were living beings, and were interpreted by the force differently. Droids taking aim and firing was more like a falling rock that they suddenly were aware of supernaturally, whereas a Jedi would sense intent from lifeforms to determine their threat. But what if the person firing at you had virtually no intent or ill will? A living person that brainwashed could theoretically take a Jedi by surprise. Only a force user would even be aware of this tactic, so it makes sense that only the last Sith in existence would make it a part of his scheme. Even so, you'd need an army of brainwashed beings, and they'd need to act like normal people and befriend the Jedi first to be able to even catch them off guard once you give the order to kill, and their programming kicks in. The clone army was the only way to eradicate the Jedi Order so widely and all at once. The only way a Jedi would march with a clone army would be if it were an army of the republic. The only reason the republic would need a clone army would be if it were at war. Thus, to leave nothing to chance, Palpatine literally took control of the republic as well as the heads of the major alien economic powers, and slammed them against each other in war, creating the perfect trap for the Jedi. The Clone Wars were just a meat grinder designed perfectly for the Jedi Order.
Dude, I'd buy that shirt faster than you can explain the ranking of your three favorite batman movies. Especially if there is a tagline somewhere that says "The show whose only real crime was loving pop culture too much. And arson, that one time."
tenrecc I wasn't into the tee idea until you added that tagline, but get that in and I'm on board!
i literally laughed out loud at that last part
tenrecc nice call back
THIS
You bet I would buy one of you tee silly
I would buy a T-Shirt with just your face real big, saying "You're wrong, and here's why..."
With Michael Swaim on the back saying "I am also on this shirt"
Cam Brown Yes
Cam Brown You're a goddamn genius.
I'd wear a beanie that says "Deanie O'Beanie'
I'm pretty sure the two Star Wars examples were plans where "Plan A" went wrong and so everyone had to improvise a "Plan B."
Return of the Jedi: If Leia had made it out of Jabba's palace with Han in the middle of the night, pretty sure Luke wouldn't have needed to involve himself and Lando would have gotten Chewie and the droids out or something like that. But, as Sun Tzu once famously said, when stealth fails, your only recourse is to blow up a hovering pleasure palace.
Prequels: Sheevy P's plan at first was to mire the senate in bureaucratic BS with the whole trade blockade thing. Then Qui-gon and Obi-wan get in and mess up that, so Palpy figures he can maybe finangle his way into the Chancellorship with more bureaucratic BS. Pretty sure running both sides of a war was always in the cards for him, though; it's hard to justify killing a bunch of space wizards that people respect (who you secretly hate) without a war going on. Also easier to get your army of clones to do the job for you instead of going around lightning bolting each one individually.
I am not calling Sheevy P anything other than that name from now on, so thank you.
Same, to some degree, with Joker's. He's the Joker: he put bombs in a ton of people because: Joker. He had corrupt cops capture Dent and Dawes because: Joker.
He had 20 other things he did that we aren't aware of because they didn't come to fruition.
Thing to remember about Joker is that he didn't HAVE a plan, he just did things. The fact that things worked out in his favor is just plot and/or luck. If both people had gotten blown up, he wouldn't have cared. If both the ships blew up? Fan freakin tastic. On to the next thing. The Joker is literally insane, he just DOES things. He doesn't care about outcomes, he just cares that things happen.
Brilliant stuff ❤
Rewatching all of OPCD. Mis you Daniel.
He and Soren do a podcast called Quick Question, it's not as good as OPCD but you can get your Daniel fix 😉
Miss*
He just did a quarantine special after hours special on “small beans”
@@justinbuergi9867 2 of them
I'm doing that too!
Makes me feel like we are friends.
In the Empire Strikes Back one, Their plan wasn't that detailed. They had some original plans, which failed and then they had some safeguards in place (like Lando, the lightsaber in R2) in case the plan didn't work. Which it didn't. They pretty much winged it from there. It wasn't a detailed plan of "Okay we'll be here, and here and here, and we'll wait for....". They tried to just straight up rescue Han, but had a lightsaber stashed just in case they got caught. Just like maybe you keep an extra gun hidden on you in case you get caught and disarmed, but you aren't actually planning on getting disarmed. Luke didn't PLAN to fall into the Rancor pit. Gold Bikini wasn't part of the plan.
Actually, I think we see several competing plans.
Like, I don't think Leia and Lando knew about each other. Lando was just there, hoping for an opportunity.
Leia and Chewie had a plan. Luke may or may not have known about that plan, but wasn't part of it. And if he knew about it, he expected it to fail.
And Luke had multiple plans, but not detailed plan. As in Plan C was "if all that didn't work, I'll come up with something. R2 will have my lightsaber". Plan A ("I ask nicely and Jabba gives Han back") was expected to fail, but you have to try.
And, of course, the Force is strong with young Skywalker, so a lot of things fall into place for him. I mean, Luke didn't come up with a plan that said "And Lando will disguise himself as one of the guards," but the Force said "He could use an ally in Jabba's palace, who could we nudge into going there?"
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They cannot possibly know each other's plans. Because everyone had the same goal (free Han) without being dependent or coordinated with each other. Biggest problem is that Lucas had no plan. He just put together something that looked awesome. Therefore, it is not possible to understand what plans were involved, there were none.
Yeah, I know this is a comedy show, but it seems like the criticisms are supposed to be semi-serious? I don't know why they came to the conclusion that the plan went as executed?
@@Theopheus probably that line from Luke saying he's thought of everything? Seperating the mess into unrelated plans only superficially makes it better, because then the other people's plans are even more simplistic dead ends. Lando was either there as part of Luke's plan, or...what? He was with Leia and showed up way early and then did nothing to help? They were supposed to just leg it out the door after freeing Han?
Luke specifically sent his weapon in a droid so he showed up unarmed? Why? That's not a contingency, that's a handicap. One theory I saw was that Luke saw that he'd end up killing people and wanted to avoid it. He got too cocky and tried to be clever, forgetting that historically, he's an idiot with bad plans. See: no plan for escaping death star, and Luke at cloud city, basically all of it.
That's Jedi, not Empire
T-shirts: Dumb. Mugs: Yes. Make a mug. Put it on the dang desk. Show it off.
I always kind of assumed that the plan to save Han Solo just went repeatedly awry, and that by the time everybody got to the Sarlacc pit, Luke was on Plan C or D or Q or something. Maybe I gave the movie too much credit...
No, you're absolutely right.
They sent in Leia to unfreeze him and smuggle him out; she got caught.
Luke went in to ask Jabba to turn Han over or else. Jabba refused.
They then went to, at least, plan C: violence is the answer. Maybe there were more; I haven't seen it in a while.
i mean the final plan is pure desperation of r2 hiding the saber and throwing it to him at the last second and han inadvertently knocking the son of the model of the clone army into the pit
i think it's all hinting at the force being at play more than luke's master ability at intricate planning, that's why the movies are perpetually salvageable because there should be some way to make the force a more active element of the action than making it so much about political bureaucracy (except that works well as an exhibition of the sith mindset)
@@SchulzEricT Luke entered Jabbas fortress unarmed and he had no hand in where R2 would be used by Jabba. If violence ever was an option, it sure was strange why he didn't enter the fortress armed.
The dude in the vid is the dense one, not you lol
Ok, in defense of Palpatine, his whole point was to manufacture a crisis in order for the Senate to dismantle itself (and associated inefficiencies of Democracies) in favor of the security and efficiency of a Dictatorship. Rome did this to itself accidentally over the course of several decades before Caesar Augustus did his thing.
Also, he's a little bit clairvoyant.
There's also some heavy hinting in Revenge of the Sith that Palpatine was directly responsible for Anakin's birth. If we assume that he did in fact influence the midichlorians (leave me alone) to create Anakin, everything else in his plan does make sense. I don't know if I would necessarily choose his plan if I were interested in starting a galactic empire (seriously, he directly caused mass famine and suffering among his own people in Phantom Menace), but all of the details do fit if you make a few educated assumptions.
Thank you, I was going to bring up the Roman Republic become Empire.
Palpatine didn't want to have to hide his cruelty or answer to the will of politicians. This is why the Empire was his ultimate goal!
He didn't have complete control of the Galaxy before Order 66. He needed to answer to a democratically elected body of political malcontents.
Furthermore... he wanted to wipe out the Jedi... explain how easy genocide is under a democracy?
The plan in Star Wars makes sense if you assume that the one that worked is the last of six failed plans. Each of them had a plan to free Han until they all either failed or took too long to act, and Luke sighed and decided to do it himself with space magic.
Cracked is threatening to get rid of OPCD? Wtf. That's fucking ridiculous. This and After Hours are pretty much the reasons I still come to Cracked.
Nathan Kappesser I'm pretty sure it was just a joke to entertain
they’re both gone now!!1!
Annnnd, now it's gone.
last words moments before a tragedy
Yes to an OPCD shirt, but even *more* yes to an OPCD poster. With pictures of all the desk knicknacks, preferably.
Also, 100% agree that The Lego Batman Movie is the best. I'm willing to provide backup in any fights that may break out.
I thought Palpatine's plan was all a misdirection to distract the Jedi from the fact he was about to massacre them all.
Han's rescue wasn't meant to be a single plan, it was a series of Plan B's and Backup Options put into place in case one didn't work.
This makes a lot more sense.
Exactly .I always thought After they got Han out of the Carbonite they were kinda winging it after that.
Yeah, i'd always thought, that all of these plans are more like half the "plan" was planned, and the second half, improvised. Give these plans the benefit of "there is a plan" but what actually happens is "the plan" + improvised reactions....since no plan survives contact with reality is a common saying.
hellsingmongrel exactly. It wasn't A plan. It was just "hey let's just go and do stuff"
Except he brings up a good point. R2 had Luke's lightsaber. He was just going to give R2 to Jabba as a gift to get Jabba to release Han and then leave without R2 or his lightsaber?
The Clone Wars was Palpatine's elaborate scheme to weaken and destroy the Jedi. He knew they were his biggest threat. What better way to maintain complete control by waging a war in which you control both sides of!
You don’t end sentences with prepositions.
@@sciencenate That's not a real rule. "Do you want this ice cream I've licked both sides of?"
Alright it's not a super common sentence but that's not the point.
THANK YOU!!! The war was for the senate to believe in his ability as a ruler and to kill the jedi
This guy gets it!
Also, for Return of the Jedi ... they "kind of" had a plan, but it all fell apart.
@@mario.de.oliveira13 si Palpatine really that obvious of a bad guy if one hasn't seen the original trilogy? Most of the arguments that he's obviously evil is dependent on the knowledge that he is the emperor.
This Daniel has no idea he's gonna get fired, get a new job, and win an Emmy.
"He has controll of the Senate"
Correction: He IS the Senate!
Jacob Dewald not yet
Arconic it's treason then.....
Is that the only correction you wanna make?
Didn’t Palestine make Anakin on accident
ok, someone get a leash on mcconnell over here
This and after hours are 2 of the best things on youtube right now. Both have Dan In them. Huh coincidence.?
In short, Daniel needs to break off and make his own channel. OPCD all day, every day!
johngordonp Hell Yes. But I'd even be happy with cracked giving him more videos. He's one of their best presenters.
I wouldn't be surprised if he writes all After Hours dialogue except Soren's parts. You can't fake a Soren.
They basically take turns writing After Hours. But yeah, a lot of them are attributed to Daniel.
I would go so far as to say they are the best things on the entire internet right now.
Except for porn. The internet would wither and die without all the porn.
Plans can be adjusted as they progress. You don't start a plan and then throw it all out when an unknown factor arises.
Leah didn't need to be found out as part of the plan. Isn't it safe to assume that her being found out wasn't part of the plan, but it happened and they just rolled with it.
I legitimately don't understand the criticism of palpatine's plan. His plot to control an entire galaxy was convoluted? Yea. Anakin probably wasn't a part of his initial plan, he added him on to the plan.
^Double for Joker's "plan."
Still means Joker was lying through his teeth about not being a guy with a plan.
Joker never said anything about him not being a guy with a pan. Joker asked a question "Do I look like a guy with a plan?" he put it out their and allowed Harvey to make his own judgment and so giving into chaos Harvey did not make that call. This is going back to the theme of the Killing Joke story, Joker was just trying to give someone else that one really bad day that drove them over the edge.
I would have worn and would still wear an “obsessive pop culture disorder” T-Shirt! Love ya Dan!!
Are we serious about t-shirts? Because I would totally buy one.
SAME
Great, now I have to not buy one to keep the show going. Thanks 🙄 😜
Want
Yeah I would
too true! then I could talk to people about after hours!
I see Daniel and can't help but crack a smile before he even starts. OPCD shirts - I am in!
I really like this series.
Thanks!
OPCD, After Hours and People Watching are the best on You Tube as far as I am concerned :-D
My thoughts exactly.
Amungwa Bonu people watching is very hit or miss but the other two are always great
People watching is uniformly depressing, which is 100% not what I come to Cracked for.
Joker's convoluted plan inspired terrible villain plans in Skyfall, Lex luthor in BvS, the guy in Captain America Civil War which also could qualify to be in this vid
the star-wars thing was a huge mess of several different escape attempts mixing together that all went wrong and improvised their way to victory because movie...
Palpatine's plan didn't really need Anakin, he just made things easier
TheRichmaster being father-son also helps
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the clones alone would have been enought to wipe out most Jedi and Palpatine had good enough manipulation skills to bring the people to his side.
Anakin was good PR and a good enforcer but wasn't needed for the plan to work
@R Nickerson
The plan was for the Sith to wipe out the Jedi and take control of the galaxy which would have gone pretty much the same without him, having Anakin do it instead kind of seems like an ego thing to me
Palpatine's plan and manipulation of the senate in the background is the best thing about the Prequals. Underneath all that CGI crap George actually made a half decent movie, too bad it's taking center stage to shoehorning in every other possible toy or merch tie-in.
the palatine plot is what is called a false flag tactic. and the death star was a hammer that was needed for a guy in power that saw nothing but half hammered nails.
Actually I think Palpatine's plan was more complicated than a false flag tactic. He was playing both sides, but since he controlled both sides he didn't care which side won.
If the Separatist had legitimately beat in the Republic, he would have taken his place as Darth Sidious, Ruler of the CIS Empire.
But if the Republic won, as it did, he would take his place as Emperor Palpatine ruler of the Galactic Empire.
yes I would buy that t-shirt if it was well designed
Matt X just DOB's head. That's all it'll be.
Anyone else like think that, because Dan clearly does not have an earpiece in, he's listening to a second voice in his head telling him how to produce the show telling him what's going to be on the show next week?
Would love to hear Dan's explaination of HOW MUCH WORSE and convoluted the Palpatine story gets by the end
Leia killed Jabba out of spite for using her as a sex slave, obviously.
I would totally buy an OPCD Shirt
With a face of Daniel on it
Venu GOPAL JOSHI - that was my first thought too!
I would 100% buy an OPCD T-shirt.
The only thing I require for a t-shirt is Daniel's face with the acronym somewhere. =)
RaBiDmOuZ yo 100% would buy
Keep this fucking series going Cracked! Whether it's t-shirts or something else, give us a way to prove that we enjoy and appreciate it.
As far as I remember, Sheev Palpatine's plan had less to do with him coming to power and more to do with reforging the galaxy to be able to fight the Yuuzhan Vong, an intergalactic alien species that would pose a threat in the future. He needed an excuse to create vast armies and weapons to fight them, because a Sith Lord running around yelling, "I want to save y'all!" wouldn't fly. The death star was actually meant to destroy their planet-sized cannons. I'm not saying he's not a villain, just that his plan had a purpose.
If only he had waited a few more years to try to present Palpatine's plan - _The_ _Rise_ _of_ _Skywalker_ clarifies everything
By also making it more confusing. lol
Palpatine created the war to gain military power which allowed him to legitimately kill the Jedi, the Death Star was just insurance.
Brett Colmer And it also gave Palpatine the ability to keep the origin of the Clone army a secret. In that the public, including the Jedi, wouldn't just stop for a moment and ask, "where did this army come from, who paid for it, and why?" He only says that he will use his emergency powers to create an army, then a finger snap later, fully supplied army pops out of thin air.
Plus, the galactic conflict was made so that the Jedi are too busy running around the galaxy, they don't realize that their biggest threat is at their home. The Jedi were to proud to let the Senate know that they had lost the ability to sense important things so the government never became independent. They stayed dependent on the no longer relevant/useful powers of the Jedi that had been apart of their government for Millenia
Yea, admittedly, i was watching that part while wondering "Does Daniel understand politics? Or how tyranny works?"
Yeah Dan's being an idiot. As usual Cracked's shtick isn't actual analysis, it's just pop culture references, speaking fast, and trying to sound intelligent. Guess those Journalism majors have gotta go somewhere.
Also, Tarkin outright states that the senate is abolished as soon as he finishes testing out the Death Star, meaning that before this, as implied in Rebels and Rouge One, the senate still had some power until Paly had his doomsday weapon.
Did he just say blow up jabbas palace......srsly man? Come on....
He also said the lightsaber came out of R2's "belly"... lol.
Not all of it mattered, if Jaba had accepted the droids it would've been done, if Leia had succeeded they would've escaped and Lastando would have exited with the droids, had Jaba submitted to Luke's mind trick then he and his group would've just left, had Jaba at any time given in to Luke's demands that would've been that, but they couldn't know if any of their plans would work so they set up several back up plans culminating in R2-D2 arming Luke on the sand ship.
But it relied on R2, an astromech droid, being assigned to serve drinks on the sail barge instead of something he'd been built for like repairing Jabba's smuggling ships in the Mos Eisley space port.
Carl Rood it relied on an obstinate astromech to go where it wanted to go.
I don't think that sufficiently addresses Carl's point.
But Luke knew that Threepio would be there to cover for, and make excuses for, Artoo when he went to where Luke needed him to be. More to the point, Luke must have used the force to foresee that putting his lightsaber inside Artoo was the smart move even if he couldn't be certain why i.e. he allowed himself to be guided by the force.
Yeah, he had a few plans in case one failed, although in the end, much of it seemed to be played by ear.
You assume that all these movie plans are "plans". What if they don't have everything meticulously planned out from the start and just roll with the punches. What if the star wars crew were particularly crap at rescuing Han and need a few attempts. What if the joker has near unlimited resources and is able to make it up as he goes along.
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Can't wait for the stand alone Solo movie...
Brilliant
I totally want an OPCD Shirt!!!! And for that matter I would love an after hours one too!
yesnid An After Hours shirt does exist! society6.com/product/after-hours-the-shirt_t-shirt?#s6-2665929p15a4v75a5v18a11v49
Thanks, found it right after I posted that unfortunately they need to make one in 3XL for me :(
Haven't seen one of these in a while. Glad to know you're still doing this.
after hour one! yass
I need this shirt so that people will know what they're getting into when they start a conversation with me at work!
Most of these convolutions seem easily explained by the adaptability of their perpetrators. The Joker makes plans, yes, but he also makes allowances for failure and rigs the playing field so that he still has enough of an advantage to wreak his mayhem if something goes wrong. Luke's plan to save Han doesn't seem so much a well-orchestrated heist as a series of moral qualifiers he employs to justify blowing up Jabba's sail barge--"First I'll try and negotiate Han free, but if that doesn't work, I've secured for myself enough of an advantage to kill all the bad guys if I have to." And the Emperor probably didn't plan for Anakin--but when he showed up, he probably thought, "If I can lure this kid to my side, my plot to rule the galaxy will probably be a lot easier and a lot more successful, and this kid is potentially stronger than Dooku anyway."
BardOfShwa This. You can narrate any history event this way, that doesn't mean everybody always plans for the way things turn out. People plan with a margin for error and make best of the situations.
Besides, when Anakin showed up, Papa Palps' plan was accelerated. He killed his master Darth Plagueis, secured the position of Supreme Chancellor "humbly and regrettably" all years in advance of when he originally planned them to happen because of the appearance of Anakin during Episode I.
The "Rescue Han" plan was meant to be done when Leia unfreezes him, but Jabba had been informed, and put a stop to Plan A right there. Having anticipated that this might happen, they had contingencies in place, like Lando being part of the security force, R2 having Lukes lightsaber etc to allow for Plan B, "Blow up everything, and escape in the chaos". It was kind of their thing
And also the clone army.. Also created by a jeDI and not by papa palps
Precisely what I was going to write, ...but better said.
I'm a simple man, I see OPCD -> I hits like.
best part of every episode is his "bye" with the awkward side look
papitine's plan was the best part of the prequils. It wasn't dependent on anakin, but he addapted his plans when he appeared...
Nick Cameron exactly. I don’t understand what is so confusing about this. I love Daniel’s stuff, but this analysis of the prequels was stupid. Palpatines plan was brilliant.
Read plagueis, really gets into the plans that lead up to the prequels. Pretty good book.
Palpatine itself was the best part. He had so much fun and actually had motiviations and some developement. The plan was kinda meh and relied too much on everyone being dumb and stupid.
@@silentlamb21 Kinda like now with Biden...
@@rickymcgowen6776 agreed. Bidens plan just relied on Trump being Trump. Against a competent opponent, it wouldn't have worked.
Then again, you can only beat who you face.
Palpatine's plan was one of the few truly great things in the prequels! It didn't *require* Anakin at all...Dooku could have done all that stuff. Anakin was just a better sidekick, so Palpatine upgraded. The rest of his plan--what you call complicated nonsense--is really some brilliant Godfather-esque puppeteering.
Seriously, he weakened the Republic by orchestrating a war with the Trade Federation specifically so he could get executive powers, then he painted the Jedi as the bad guys at the end of the Clone Wars and that was easy to do because the people were already beginning to distrust them. The guy was a mastermind.
Exactly! The story arc of the prequels (Palpatine's rise to power and Anakin's fall to the Dark Side) is actually really good. It's the shitty dialogue, acting, and random nonsense (Jar Jar, etc) that drags those movies down. Perfect example of a great idea executed very poorly. Anyone who is interested in this side of the story should stop everything and go read Darth Plagueis. It delves much deeper into this subject and is probably the best Star Wars book I've ever read. Also, the audiobook is great for anyone who's into them. Great narration, music, and sound effects.
All these comments already say what I was planning to, but I'd like to add one thing; the reason that Palpatine was on both sides of the clone wars was that he engineered it to get the most powerful commercial and industrial factions in the galaxy -the government of the republic and the Jedi, on one side and the Trade Federation, techno union, banking clan etc on the other) and have them fight each other and essentially cripple each other through attrition. At the end of the clone wars, all these factions were significantly weaker than they had been, and he stepped into the void that was left and took control, while not mentioned in the films, I'm pretty sure the implication is that the resources of the various trade federation and similar organisations were nationalised and placed under the control of the Empire. This made Palpaine the de facto wealthiest and most powerful man alive.
As for being a beloved senator, my general thoughts were that, while he had political power, it was the political power to broker deals and compromise, and he wanted "my word is law" power instead.
Still, great video, I never tire of watching them.
And with regards to Anakin, I'm not sure if it's still canon, but Palpatine did know of his existence because Anakin was a result of an experiment by Darth Plageus, so he likely had some stuff going in the background to make sure Anakin found his way to the Jedi so he'd have the chance to corrupt him. Though I'll admit, that section of the plan was a little shakey.
Umm...no it wasn't...it was a ridiculous plan that relied on an unbelievable number of unpredictable things happening:
1. Chancellor Valorum taxes the trade routes
2. Queen Amidala survives the invasion, somehow, even though she's in disguise and because there's no way the Federation is going to gratuitously massacre civil servants, whom they don't know are the Queen, for fun
3. Said Queen somehow miraculously escapes imprisonment, miraculously steals a ship being guarded by a droid army, escapes a blockade armada and ship does not get shot down, which nearly happened if not for R2's miraculous intervention
4. Said rickety ship, containing said important Queen, does not disintegrate or crash and somehow makes it all the way back to Coruscant (again, if you forgot, this only happens because of a weirdly-coincidental series of podracing betting and trading that could have easily failed, then what?)
5. No one on the ship responds to the fake message sent, which would alert the Federation of the ship's location, getting them blown to bits, killing said important Queen
6. Said Queen is convinced to take the very drastic step of making a motion of no confidence
7. Said motion of no confidence works, and everyone votes for Palpatine
8. Naboo somehow wins its war against the much more powerful Trade Federation to regain independence, if it had failed no doubt he would look like a weak, incompetent Chancellor unable to defend his own home planet and then lose his position
9. Darth Maul gets killed making way for the all-important Count Dooku, who is the key to starting the Clone Wars
10. Obi-Wan Kenobi survives a huge adventure, cracks an immensely difficult puzzle that was solved because a fucking youngling coincidentally spoke up, finds the mysterious clone planet that was deleted from the archives, somehow discovers it, somehow survives getting attacked by a bounty hunter all to communicate said-important army to the Jedi Council
11. Obi-Wan somehow gets to Geonosis, without getting blown to smithereens by a bounty hunter, miraculously discovers the super-secret plan to attack the Republic, somehow communicates said super-secret plan right before getting captured, so that the Republic is on high-alert and knows war is coming
12. Senator Amidala, again the key to his plan to corrupt Anakin, not dying from her two separate assassination attempts and being miraculously saved at the last minute by her Jedi protectors
13. Senator Amidala being replaced by the incompetent. idiotic Jar Jar Binks, who would be malleable enough to propose that Palpatine get sweeping emergency powers
14. Using said emergency powers to create powerful clone army that, again, people know about because Obi-Wan defied death on numerous occasions to find the weird clone planet
15. Palpatine not dying while he was on Grievous's ship and was about to crash-land and explode on the planet's surface
16. Padme gets pregnant (no way they'd ever use birth control when trying to conceal an illicit relationship, right?) and Anakin simultaneously suffers from nightmares about her, coincidentally, dying in childbirth
And probably many, many more things I missed
"do I look like a guy with a plan?" this is one of the most overused arguments to dark knight. Joker LIED about EVERYTHING!!! scars, plans, what role someone plays in the plan, etc. WHY would you believe THIS statement? it's established that Joker doesn't tell anyone the whole story or even an accurate piece of the story. so why?
I agree. I think this was actually the point of the very first scene of the film.
The very first scene of the film is one in which The Joker carefully orchestrates a scheme in which he lies to all his men so he can screw them over by doing all the work and allowing himself to keep all the cash.
So, we know that The Joker is a schemer and a liar.
So, we know that when he claims to everybody that he's not a schemer, he's lying. He's the biggest schemer in the film.
exactly, it's so very annoying whenever i see these youtube snarkie asses talking that trash and taking his statement to two-face out of context. not including any other part of what the movie established for Joker. nope, it's just *dorky laugh* "he said he doesn't plan... oh plot hole." WRONG! if anyone really does think that, then this movie just went right over your simple mind... it's a shame.
Mad Max49 while I do agree with you. The specific mention of it in this list is about how crazy specific each step had to be and how convoluted the whole plan was. So yea the joker lies, sure. But why is this his actual plan? It's a god damn mess and so much so dependent on absolutely NOTHING going differently than how we saw it… amazingly, enjoyably crazy
It wasn't even a believable lie, told to someone who was in immense, mind-altering pain (and also physical) for the purposes of altering his mind (full circle)(small circle).
I'd just like to point out that "Do I look like a guy with a plan?" is not a statement. He never said "I don't have a plan". Otherwise, I agree with all of you. It's just that in this particular case, he wasn't technically lying.
Palpatine's plan is based on the civil war between Marc Anthony and Octavius which replaced the Roman Republic with the Roman Empire. Palpatine / Augustus.
And here I thought it was based on George Bush.
I thought it was based on Lincoln.
Lincoln had control as president, but still designed an attack on Fort Sumpter (as he outlined ahead of time in a private letter that he would do this) but no one died in the attack, just the celebratory cannon fire after the battle... to somehow instigate the war with the south... By seizing and holding a fort that wasn't very important or whatever and killed no one... All so he could reconsolidate the United States into a more authoritarian oligarchy...
To free the slaves is a post war rationalization, which falls flat:
The appropriate payments to a freed slave is 40 acres of land a gun and a mule, that's combined with the cost of slaves freedom, still would have been infinitely cheaper than fighting the war with the South if freeing the slaves was actually the goal.
Plus Lincoln's comments and letters that were overtly racist and not kind to anyone not-white make it perfectly clear that he was a bitter racist and just wanted to fight the South for more power and control.
Where does the Death Star fit in? Well, Lincoln also threatened to bomb and destroy any place that decided to meet about leaving the Union... Killing all, down to the women and children.
Lincoln, America's first Terrorist Dictator Supreme.
#Hitler&StalinWorshippedLincolnAsTheirRoleModelsNoJoke
Dude...you've been much too far down the rabbit hole. Literally nothing you just said has any basis in reality.
They're all the same. Warmongers war for profit and power. Signing up to kill and die to make the rich richer is the stupidest thing a person could do. Ask a stormtrooper.
Alienami lol, where did you get that from, sounds too cool to be truth
I would have %100 bought Tshirts to keep OPCD going. Love all the vids with Daniel O’Brien 😁
I would have sacrificed and put myself in the "Don't buy tshirts" group so that they don't get lazy.
Holy smokes this guy predicted that Solo, TLJ and TROS were entirely skippable. Mad respects
Last time I came this early, I saw my wife cheating on me with my douchebag boss, which prompted me to go on a life-changing journey
Hammad Razzak sounds like you learned a valuable life lesson
ZING!
Um, welcome back to civilization.
Hammad Razzak Did that journey include murdering said douchebag?
Nice reference to an older episode. Well done, Hammad.
I would buy 100
Please...
I only live for these videos.
So, in a desperate plan to make all of Cracked feel better after losing the Webby's (even though I did vote for you), Daniel O'Brien revitalizes his status as an agent of Cracked but secretly changes it to Chaos. He pimps out the idea of t-shirts, mugs, posters, pens, hoverboard schematics, a game that lets you put whomever the hell you want on Mount Rushmore, etc. Everything is eco-friendly; chaos does not preclude conservation, maybe. Whichever one gets the most likes, he will claim as intentional from the start. We all win.
Can I just say that I love the Luke's mug on your desk. Especially because right before I watched this I was rewatching Gilmore Girls for the millionth time. Haha
This series and roger are the only reason I'm still subbed to cracked. Love these!
I still think Palpatine's plan makes sense. There are a lot of things you missed and I'm not even talking about the books and comics. I would explain it but I really don't want to considering only a few people will see this. Just basically he needed to destroy the Jedi Order and Palpatine had a different plan before Anakin showed up.
I never really considered the return of the jedi thing as a masterstroke plan. I consider it more a matter of layering failure. I think the initial plan was just sneak in and rescue han.
Lando hid as a guard to just keep an extra eye on Leia.
R2d2 had the lightsaber just in case they needed it and luke figured he wouldn't get it in properly without sneaking it in in a droid.
Luke came in chiefly to rescue Leia after she failed to get Han. He thought he'd be able to mostly mind trick his way through the situation but fails and is almost fed to the rancor.
After Luke kills the Rancor he was taken to the sarlacc so jabba could end the madness all together. Luke sees that all of his pieces are in place to save the day even though that wasn't actually the plan.
He certainly didn't plan on Leia killing jabba.
Thank you, it makes a little bit more sense now. Except for Chewie. To rescue one of your friends, you bring another friend to be prisonner? What if she succeed freeing Han? They would still have to save Chewie after all. Always seemed convoluted to me.
Could you maybe put the shows name(OPCD in case anyone forgot) in the title?
Actually could you always do that?
Not just this show, but with all your shows?
uhh... they do that?
Dammit, they changed it..
If the person that changed it reads this:
Thanks you should always be in charge
J JK
I'm not sure but I think they occasionally change titles on purpose. I think I recall them occasionally joking about it.
The attack on Palpatine's plan in this video is flawed.
Now that Roger is back can we bring back Daniel so he can finish covering Palpatine’s ridiculous plan that included living Snoke puppets, Han’s emo son, a super Death Star, and an entire fleet of planet destroying ships that don’t know how to go up? I’m assuming he’s been keeping himself in a Han Solo stasis pod this whole time so he should be fresh.
I always thought that the way Han's rescue went was largely improvised after the last three plans failed?
I would definitely buy a t-shirt, even though my wife will certainly call me an idiot for spending money on one.
I've been watching your videos for a while now, and you seem to bring up the Joker's plan in "The Dark Knight" a lot; in After Hours, in OPCD, in...other things. Anyway, I think it's important to remember that he didn't have one really big, complicated plan; he had several small, simple, concurrent plans.
First, he needed to get Lau out of the MCU (Major Crimes Unit, although he also shows up in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, if you're paying attention). So, he has explosives sewn into the big fat guy and tells him to go get arrested. He was probably just going to wait until the guy got arrested, call the bomb from *outside* the police station, and then storm the place to get Lau.
Second, he needed to draw out Batman. Whether he really believed Harvey Dent was Batman or not, he knew that attacking and capturing Harvey would do that. Either Harvey would turn out to be Batman, or Batman would show up to save him.
Third, whoever Batman was, the Joker knew he loved Rachel, so he planned to have her captured. The firing squad at the Commissioner's memorial were wearing Rachel Dawes nametags, so he knew Batman would find out she was the target. Either Harvey was Batman and he could tie them both to barrels for some other nefarious reason, or Batman was someone else and the Joker could force Batman to rescue "one of them" as part of his general "I want to screw with people" goal.
Here's the kicker. Getting captured himself was never part of the Joker's plan, no matter what Gordon may have thought. Obviously, these plans could be better run from outside of jail, but really, being in jail wouldn't affect them that much. The separate rooms with the barrels was set up ahead of time. The fat guy bomber was set up ahead of time. But like I said, they were separate plans. Once the Joker was in jail, he decided to combine his plans. He just needed to keep a close eye on the clock to make sure he sent Batman away in time. Once Batman and half the cops went looking for Harvey and Rachel, he just needed to get to a phone before they returned. Getting captured complicated his plans, but like I said, it didn't matter.
Does that make sense?
The point is joker is so dedicated to chaos that he will become meticulous and planning just to torture Batman and cause chaos
I think that the "Breaking Han out of Jabba's Palace" plan wasn't so much a plan, as a lot of plans that kept going wrong, but had a lot of robustness. Like, Leia was supposed to sneak Han out of the palace, but she got captured. But they had agreed before hand that if she didn't come out by a certain time, the Luke was going in.
I think it's a simple as this: Palpatine is a Sith. THE Sith. So what he wants is to bring the galaxy into the dark side, by taking control of the government, killing off the Jedi, and subjugating the galaxy into a state of fear and oppression. How else would he do it? It's not just as simple as "he's evil", but it's pretty close.
BTW manipulating the Chosen One was just a way to circumvent the prophecy which he knew of, so it was the smart thing to do to cover all his bases.
Cesar The Salad He also knew the actual background of Anakin, that being that the force created him as a counter measure to Plaugius's fucking with life.
Demon Emperor Void Swag Oh good point! I didn't know that.
I love how anyone who makes these "fake nerd" arguments has never heard the phrase "back up plan" or "rolling with the punches"
Michael Worthy
Exactly, none of these plans mentioned were dependent on every thing that happened falling into place. In each plan the characters took advantage of opportunities presented and worked with what they had to accomplish their overall goal.
Fake nerd?
Michael Worthy fake Michael
it must sting having your favourite movie(s) be completely torn apart
lol calm down Mr Butthurt
i liked all the convoluted politics in the prequels
“Star Wars, again? Maybe these movies are bad,” he said, and then uploaded him saying that to TH-cam.
You are a brave, *brave* man, my friend.
You need the t-shirt that says "You're weird at sex and you should know that forever. Welcome to high school."
That was probably my favorite of all of your quotes.
The whole purpose of the war was to kill the Jedi and it worked mostly. No one would question Jedi dying at war.
@DanielO'brien Palpatine knew of Anakin and his potential. His master, Darth plaugus created him in secret. This is all implied in episode III. Not the greatest story but still more complex than you made it seem. Love your show though
No Plagueis didnt. Palpatines plan didnt need Anakin either. I dont know how the creator of this video comes to this conclusion. Palpatine simply adapted to the situation.
@@Stego1819 So in your opinion, immaculate conception is just a thing that happened to Shmi Skywalker? No exterior force? Remember she said, "There was no father. I carried him, I gave birth, I raised him. I can't explain what happened." And Palpatine just casually mentions in episode III, "Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith so powerful and so wise, he could use the Force to influence the midi-chlorians to create...life ", while staring with admiring eyes at Anakin.. I think you gotta agree there's more to it.
@@mysunsetglasses No there isnt. Lucas said that Anakin was created by the force. The reason why Palpatine looks into Anakins eyes the way he does is because he knows Anakin searches for a way to save Padme.
Pretty sure Darth plagueis and Darth sidious use the force too. Like Daniel O'Brien said, it doesn't make sense if his plan hinged on a magic baby to help him out..... Unless it was controlled and planned. Which it basically was. Darth plagueis just didn't expect to die before he can utilize him.
@@mysunsetglasses How did his plan hinge on Anakin to begin with? The clones were enough for his plan to work. Anakin was the only worthy successor of Palpatine but that was it.
Anakin was born by the force to bring balance. He is space jesus that is the entire point of the star wars saga.
I want a t shirt, yes please, but only if Daniel is on it
Hearing Dan say he's only allowed to keep making the show if it makes a profit right before Cracked fired everyone is haunting.
But Joker's plan actually did involve dissolving the mafia. As indicated in his line, "this town deserves a better class of criminal... and I'm gonna give it to 'em."
I miss you, Danny O
Dude, you're usually better than this. Your entire rant about Palpatine/the Prequels feels like it was written by someone who has never seen a movie in his life.
Yeah, Dooku could have stayed Palpatine's apprentice and Sidious would have been fine. (Anakin was just a fine addition to his plan) Dooku was incredibly powerful and a capable warrior. As for the Death Star, it was to control planets in the stead of the senate. As for being a politician on Naboo for years, he was also training to be a Sith and murdering his family and other things. All the stuff he said was plain wrong most of the time and just sounded like he wanted to make the plan look bad.
Yeah, Palpatine's plan(s) work fine within the movies. There's a lot that's just not stated too, we just see a small part of what he did to make it all work. And we really don't need to see more: a 30 minutes scene of exposition going into the details of the plans would just be terrible.
Daniel Whoa-brien ? What happened to Deanie O'beanie and DJ NOB ? MAKE UP YOUR MIND ALREADY !!!
This was when cracked was in its prime! Dan was best part of this channel
WHERE ARE THE T-SHIRTS?
And where's DOB?
He's the Joker: he put bombs in a ton of people because: Joker. He had corrupt cops capture Dent and Dawes because: Joker.
He had 20 other things he did that we aren't aware of because they didn't come to fruition.
Also: what are you thinking when you watch Return of the Jedi? Because you missed, like, everything. The plan wasn't to fail at 2 plans then use the third, the plan was to try something and if it didn't work, fall back and implement the next plan. Idiot.
They sent in Leia to unfreeze him and smuggle him out; she got caught.
Luke went in to ask Jabba to turn Han over or else. Jabba refused.
They then went to, at least, plan C: violence is the answer. Maybe there were more; I haven't seen it in a while.
I love that cell phone in the gut thing. Someone had to call that phone at the perfect time lol
ProjectRedfoot I kind of got the impression that his plan wasn't necessarily to wind up in prison precisely at that moment, it was more of a failsafe in case he did get caught. That's always the way i saw it anyway.
Thats exactly how I saw the events of dark knight. Joker probably did 2 dozen things off screen we never see because they either don't matter enough or just never worked. Even throughout the whole movie none of it really struck me as a plan. It was him just doing shit.
The Geckomancer you sure about that? He was pretty systematically going after the strengths of the criminal underworld, as well as the underpinnings of the justice system and trying to disrupt "normalcy". He may not have had some ultimate goal in mind, but it seemed as if he wanted to strike out at the way we saw human nature itself.
He definitely had plans. His attempted assassination of the mayor was well coordinated, as was his attempt to kill Harvey. Taking of all those inmates and civilians wasn't really random either. All of that required a hell of a lot of preparation and forethought.
"Random force baby landing on his doorstep"
Actually... Old star wars, Palpatine and his old master used massive amounts of force power to create life- That life ended up being Anakin aka Darth Vader. Darth Plagueis stories are the ones you should look up though man.
Don't cancel this show cracked!
I really want to hear Daniel's thoughts on the Star Wars movies that have come out in the meantime. Like, saying that "Solo" is a load bearing name and finding out it was chosen by an imperial receptionist because he was alone? Come back, Daniel! You NEED to make your thoughts heard!
I can't help but think of this dude as a disgruntled rebel refusing to believe (and simultaneously admitting) that Darth Sidious bested the entire galaxy.
He only reassured me the Palps is a selfish, evil, super-powered control freak...
1: That cluster wasn't the plan to begin with they had to improvise when Leia got captured.
2. Joker just wanted to watch Gotham burn. If he hadn't gotten caught by Gordon Bat man would have been dead along with Dent and whats her face...and the plot to capture the squealer would have gone through with out joker being on scene.
3. Palpatine was a Sith master so of course he distinguished himself. Jedi mind tricks. And he wanted to be emperor of the known universe so he had to create a huge conflict which he then solved making himself indispensable. The death star was the "nuclear deterrent" for any rebel factions which would seek to depose him because there is always one in the crowd.
According to legend, Sidious and Plagueis created Anakin.
according to other legend, sheev and his master tried to make anakin but the force made anakin to fight the darkside and bring balance to the force
GamingZen what makes you say Luke is the chosen one?
Why no mention of episode 6 where luke literally throws away his light saber at one point because he feels like he is going to convince Vader to join him(which doesn't make actual sense). That deserves to be on this list more than the other 2 star wars ones.
that made some sense. palpatine's plan was worse in that very scene. luke was about to kill vader but palpatine kept mumbling how luke is getting into dark side by killing his father and luke stopped the fight.
The idea of the Joker is that he would’ve won either way. And as a matter of fact he won in the end of the movie
Well... Palpatine ruled the galaxy for 40 years, so his plan worked.
OPCD MERCH
I have officially become a huge fan of Daniel O'Brien. Hope everything's going well for him.
ok guys. let's organize! those who are gonna bug t-shirts, raise your hand...
I'm beginning to see an issue.
sorry bruce but i just don't feel comfortable bugging tshirts
You forgot to mention that if the coin flipped the other way that the Joker would be dead, and no one would be left to organize/manage the boat scene for Batman. His plan literally was so good it affected fate.
I always assumed that Palpatine just changed and reworked his plan to suit the situation as time went on. Perhaps originally he intended to use Padme as his puppet chancellor, subtly influencing her, but it was even better when he got to be chancellor himself. Also, Palpatine probably didn't need Anakin to kill the Jedi, Anakin was an added bonus. He only wanted to kill the Jedi because destroying the Jedi order is one of the main Sith aims.
One of the things you've overlooked in the overcomplicated workings of both Luke and Palpatine is that they can see visions of the future. I have always assumed that their plans include using the visions as guides to an unfolding path to achieve an outcome they desire.
Overall, I still cleave to the notion that Jar Jar was actually the Uber mastermind behind the evil plans, but that Lucas backed off using him that way when he proved unpopular.
Seriously though Palpatine, Sheev just sounds like a really stupid way to pronounce Steve.
Hahaha - Emperor Steve. Juuuuuuuuuust shy of epic.
Daniel, let's talk about how to treat a tie with some respect. ;-)
Marc Schnau, maybe the OPCD merchant should be a clip on. A clip on that looks poorly tied ^_^
Hey, at least it's not a bow tie.
8:21 "if you're still with us..."🤣 perfect delivery
5:19 it's amazing how you can't even illustrate your words (because they are not true) but you do it anyway. Joker did not "rocket launch Batman to death as was his plan". He was trying to rocket launch Dent but Batman's car jumped in.
"Everything is preceding as I have foreseen!"
Palpatine had the power of foresight, which was fortified with the spread of the dark side of the force across the galaxy. You'll often hear the Jedi complaining about how clouded their ability to perceive things through the force is, or how blind they felt going into the clone wars. The dark side is impenetrable to a light side user. But Palpatine was a Sith. His actions were preceded by his own ability to see the future. It was only when the galaxy was flooded with hope and light once more in the form of the Rebel Alliance that he couldn't see past his own arrogance, and he mistook his own delusion of turning Luke to the dark side as yet another vision of the future.
As far as his goals were concerned, he wanted to destroy the Jedi, exterminate them completely. The only way to do that was to spread them out as thin as possible across the galaxy, and smash them between two armies. The Jedi were blinded from seeing the future, or across space, but that didn't change how fast they could move. An entire army of droids wouldn't be enough to destroy them, as can be seen with how quickly just a single Jedi and his apprentice could cut through the peak of that technology in episode one.
Clones on the other hand were living beings, and were interpreted by the force differently. Droids taking aim and firing was more like a falling rock that they suddenly were aware of supernaturally, whereas a Jedi would sense intent from lifeforms to determine their threat. But what if the person firing at you had virtually no intent or ill will? A living person that brainwashed could theoretically take a Jedi by surprise. Only a force user would even be aware of this tactic, so it makes sense that only the last Sith in existence would make it a part of his scheme. Even so, you'd need an army of brainwashed beings, and they'd need to act like normal people and befriend the Jedi first to be able to even catch them off guard once you give the order to kill, and their programming kicks in. The clone army was the only way to eradicate the Jedi Order so widely and all at once.
The only way a Jedi would march with a clone army would be if it were an army of the republic. The only reason the republic would need a clone army would be if it were at war. Thus, to leave nothing to chance, Palpatine literally took control of the republic as well as the heads of the major alien economic powers, and slammed them against each other in war, creating the perfect trap for the Jedi.
The Clone Wars were just a meat grinder designed perfectly for the Jedi Order.