The browns fumbled A LOT of things as an avid fan of over 30+ years. It'd easy to make fun of them bc of their blunders but this is on a whole new level entirely. I'm not even mad at them anymore; I'm disgusted.
it starts with the owner.....it is hard to remember that thru the years they have at times been competent....not the lions......but this is not suprizing.....haslam was ripping off truck drivers for god sake.....sleezy
I knew this would blow up in our face. From day 1 of the off season I said to give Baker one more season and if it doesn't work out use our draft capital that we used on Watson to trade up for CJ Stroud. Now we owe $230 million to a serial sex offender. I hate this team. Go Browns
Why is it hard to believe there are 24 women willing to lie for millions and millions!.... Bruh they all have the same lawyer and none of them went to the police first.. all went straight for the bag... Don't forget that 9 of the women bragged about massaging him Let's be honest. Tony Buzbee is literally neighbors with the owner
He's been the only one really covering it for over a year. Every other media outlet tried to sweep it under the rug or pretend like it wasnt happening. ESPN and the NFL Network would always find ANYTHING else to talk about besides DeShaun Watson...only one of the biggest name quarterbacks in the NFL with all these criminal and civil charges, but yet it's not news. And people wonder why there is general distrust of the media.
Watson is going to set the Browns organization back by 3 years at the very least. Cap space tied up for Watson and then they don't have 1st draft picks foe 2023 and 2024. Probably going to be 4 to 5 years before they are even competitive again. If I'm a Browns fan I'm picking a new team and saying good bye forever. Shouldn't be a single seat filled until the owner sells the team.
More than 3 years structurally. Decades psychologically (this is legendary, and not in a good way). Especially with so many fans appearing to be apologists for DW against all logic and odds.
The Brown's are in a bad state. They traded for DeShawn and alienated there franchise qb. Who played hurt last year. That is like being adrift on lake Erie in the middle of storm.
Baker may be a middle of the road QB, But he's better than a backup and the headache that surrounds the franchise. The Brown's were in that Super Bowl threw out the game. You guys have that awesome running attack and defense.
Why is it hard to believe there are 24 women willing to lie for millions and millions!.... Bruh they all have the same lawyer and none of them went to the police first.. all went straight for the bag... Don't forget that 9 of the women bragged about massaging him
@@zenkobe9617 I have no idea what's going to happen. What is known is he didn't go to these girls for just a massage. He could of reached out to the team and they would have hooked him up with qualified therapists. My man was bringing non disclosure contracts to a massage lmao. The NFL has to deal with the court of public opinion and has different expectations than the law for their athletes. Whether he's guilty or not, something about this feels wrong and creepy.
@@zenkobe9617 why is it so hard to believe that a person sexually assaulted others? is it really that crazy to think that someone did that? or is it just because he's an NFL player you obsess over and think he's innocent?
I’m not a Browns fan,but, can’t understand why they tried to thread the needle with this. They were back on the road to contender and said let’s go out and buy some problems. Houston’s problems are now yours . Should have let Houston hold him then cut him. This might set you back 5 years. Shame.
It kills me that people act like Watson and Hardin making up these clearly BS stories about doing this for his health hasn’t impugned his credibility at all.
We're acting like he raped these women. Another year suspension and that's that. That 2.2 million dollar original payout his haunting Rusty and DeShaun
@@howard2031 It doesn't fit ESPNs biased political agenda. They either go against the star black qb or the 24 women. Its a lose lose for the toxic environment they've created
Why is it hard to believe there are 24 women willing to lie for millions and millions!.... Bruh they all have the same lawyer and none of them went to the police first.. all went straight for the bag... Don't forget that 9 of the women bragged about massaging him..
@@zenkobe9617 When in human history has somebody had 24 sexual assault accusers who were all lying? Because you sound a lot like the people who were defending Harvey Weinstein and Bill Cosby...
That's why the Texans fired their entire training staff after 2019...and before he asked for a trade... when they found out, the training staff who was assisting in setting up the rooms offsite - where fired... but no one seems to bring that up...
@@MR.ROBOTVOLTRON Dude. I live in Houston. I remember when that happened. Then the articles came out about Jack Easterby having players followed. No one knew exactly why all that was going on.. but now we see why all that was going on...
@@isaiahh4108 Chris Simms was an athlete. The man literally played as a backup in the NFL, and he seems to think its nuts. Are you going to sit there and act like you know better than someone who actually played in the NFL?
The Browns chose to sign a great football player but a terrible human being. The intangibles are just as important as athleticism. Perhaps even more so. They made their bed, now they have to deal with the consequences.
I’m sorry I was unaware that a guilty verdict was given. Take some time out of your day do your own research and I’m sure you’ll come to the same conclusion as many others. There’s nothing here. Buzzbee has lost at every point in the legal system so he’s fighting in the court of public opinion to force a settlement and the nfl to do something and since half of you have already decided he’s guilty it may have worked but he chose to target the Texans as well and the nfl always protects their own
He's not any more "terrible" than so many others in the entertainment industry: - Magic Johnson slept arond with a lot women (how do you think he got AIDS) - Michael Phelps apparently messed around with porn stars etc. - President Trump obviously had cases where porn stars he messed around with sued him. How many women was Trump around all those years he did beauty pageants.... He's been sued by a number of the women. You guys should stop acting so surprised about how sex is sold and bought etc. Deshaun isn't going to jail like Mike Vick - and nobody brings up the dog raping and torture when he's on TV nowadays.
Not sure the Ben stuff "went away". As soon as he retired, nearly every talk show was talking about how he's a hall of famer, but the voters will take into consideration his off-field issues.
@@QuickHittinEm That's laughable if you look at his numbers. Watch some of his highlights (tons of them since he retired). I forgot just how good he was actually. I think you're underestimating or didn't watch enough Steeler games. Also you don't end up with those all time stats unless you're doing something special.
We still don’t know why Watson wanted to be traded! Maybe the team became suspicious and confronted him & he saw it as an insult & breech of trust he couldn’t get past.
@@jferg8956 We don’t trust Cal McNair or Jack Easterby, however, it does seem extremely odd that “why Watson was mad” never leaked to anyone. Everyone just assumed, the Texans were a dumpster fire or they didn’t involve Watson enough in GM & Coaching search, when they told him they would, etc. Demanding a trade & sitting out, is an extreme reaction to those 2 things. Why isn’t the NFL media doing their “due diligence”, someone must know exactly what happened. Perhaps we’ll hear the Texans side now, if Busby tries to involve them as a party in these Civil lawsuits?
@@jferg8956 trust me, I’m definitely not arguing that point. However, when you get to the question d “how much the Texans knew”? Jack Easterby is “ultra-Christian” and even as dysfunctional as they are, if something of this nature made it up to him, I could see his reaction being the polar opposite to how Watson has expressed he felt about it, which could cause the impasse we witnessed between the team & Watson.
Hello? How about the Houston team was mismanaged! Obrien traded Deshuan's best receiver for a nobody basically. The team was going downhill. It makes a lot of sense why Deshaun would want out.
When they left NDA's in his locker they had to know about by then. If not then they are running a poor business without proper communication through it.
Kind of depends. He said they provided him NDA language. That would be a one time thing on their end, and that doesn't guarantee he used it for 66 different people, nor does it prove he only used it for 1. If he went to them and said, "Hey, I need to change my massage therapist and I want some protections via an NDA as I search, can you write me something up". It's not that crazy. We don't know the extent that they were aware, but it is currently impossible to say they knew.
No they don't. Deshaun is a grown azz man. Nobody should think he is going to assault some women. First of all that would be racist to assume. Lastly McNair is a giant idiot owner. No way he knew anything.
Everyone who knows anything, knows they were always aware which is why they easily contacted these women. If he was doing his own thing they would never know. They likely told him to set up massages at their facility to “protect” him but they were really setting him up in case of a dispute. They can drop innuendo and he’s not allowed to defend himself.
Man this whole touchy subject involving Deshaun really rubs me the wrong way. But I'm sure he and his team are taking a hands on approach in resolving this. All I know is his 30 for 30 is gonna be fire.
Yes, there is a chance that if Watson violates any terms of his contract on a personal conduct level deemed detrimental to the organization, the contract and money may be voided and he is cut loose. Go Browns! 🏈🫵🤠🤚🏈
well they took him on and signed the contract after the fact of the 22 civil lawsuits but if he knowingly knew about the most recent 2 and didn’t inform them then they could very well have probably cause to terminate his contract and keep all of the guaranteed money
The Browns have a an out in the contract. Florio wrote a great article back in April that there is language that could void the guaranteed money. I think Haslem has to do it. At this point, Watson needs to play the mental health, "I got a problem" defense and seek therapy. Back to Baker...
You know if Deshaun just hired an escort none of this would be happening. Also he could have created any atmosphere he wanted with the escort, cause thats their main job.
thats the point you are missing... his fetish was exactly how he was playing it. it wasnt just about busting a nut. for more information on this ask Kellen winslow and darren sharper
Baker Mayfield stepped up, played through PAINFUL injury, manned up for his TEAM, and got nothing but disrespect,. Leadership, character, loyalty. We put our children into sports to learn and build good qualities. Shame on the Browns.
lol Baker was an arrogant often poor QB (look at his turnovers etc). Be honest with your analysis. You only see things from the point of view where you want to see it. You are ignoring the bad passes to odell etc.
It’s a PR nightmare that never ends. Other players have done bad stuff but it’s out of the news in a week. This story has been getting millions of views and trending off & on for months..
Not true at all. I can name several topics that didn't leave the news involving the NFL and scandals like this. The NFL is always going to be involved in PR nightmares because they care a lot. What other people think about the brand the shield instead of worrying about what truly matters the players, the franchises and the fans
It's kept in the news because other than a "massage" fetish there is nothing out of the ordinary in Watson's life. He likes getting massages. He can afford it. He has not assaulted any of these "therapists!" They did not get the "tip" tgey thought they would get from a high profile, financially secure athlete. The "therapists" are using Watson as their retirement plan. I am sure previous clients of these "therapists" could give an interesting perspective about these "therapists."
The Craigslist killer was going to medical school when he was caught… investigators didn’t think he had the time… this is just like that… he might be be a starting QB with his days planned out but clearly if someone wants something they’ll figure out a way to squeeze it in
Paid leave is way too kind for a serial offender, BUT they could do it this year when his salary is $1 million, then suspend him when it will actually hit his wallet.
HOW CAN NFL LUMP ALL CASES INTO ONE CASE AND SUSPEND FOR ONLY THAT COMBINED CASE??????? TALK ABOUT DEHUMANIZE WOMEN - LIFETIME BAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Because no criminal charges were ever brought up and he was a model citizen. After that you didn't hear a word from him. As far as off the field was concerned. That's why and if DeShaun Watson is able to get past this, it will be the same thing because at the end of the day the court of public opinion doesn't matter. What matters is the players in the fans that come and watch the football games?
@@ninobrown3394 It’s definitely not been forgotten by fans I constantly hear it thrown around when I watch football with my family and friends whether it’s talked about constantly is another thing but it definitely hasn’t been forgotten
I know that we talk about know the browns did a terrible job, but as a falcons fan I am absolutely disgusted by the management. They literally pushed out the door the franchise QB that gave everything for the team to try to trade for a troubled QB, and to lie about checking the authenticity of the allegations and Watson’s background is an absolute joke.
Yes the falcons wanted him However, I think the falcons are just blowing it up to start over. Get something for Ryan, do him a solid for everything he’s done for them and just be bad instead of mediocre
Bob Kraft should be in jail too because that salon was a human traffing ring but he’s super super powerful. The judge wouldn’t even let out the tapes to not embarrass him
DeShawn Watson's silence and not talking to the media is a indication of guilt. There are questions that he doesn't want to answer or a slip of the tongue.
Let's admit it. He's done. He will never be allowed to be the face of a franchise or represent the NFL. There are too many female fans that took a generation to cultivate.
yea bro plus the accusers and women in general will alienate and protest whatever franchise he plays for. I wouldn't be surprised if there's at least 1 new accuser for the next 5 years anyway. so yea he's done done!
Tbf what's there to talk about? June and July are always the dryest months for football. All the draft analysis has been done to death and OTAs are about the only thing that happens.
Yeah, Florio practiced law for almost 20 years before this, so he’s about the best person to talk about this stuff and Chris is kinda just along for the ride
As a Browns fan I was and am completely against their trade for Watson. But you know how a lot of fans are...after he takes his licks (no pun intended) and gets back to playing, if he wins a lot of games they will pretty much forget about these issues. Happened with Tyreek Hill in KC and Mike Vick in Philly. Right or wrong, that's what happens.
What happens when he's been not playing for at least a year and maybe more? Football is football, but the game will pass you by in most cases except a very few players.
I doubt he sees an NFL field again. If he doesn't get banned, I think the recent MLB case is somewhat standard setting at 2 years. He last played in 2020, with a 2 year suspension he'd be eligible in 24. Far too long a layoff. People talk about rust in September when teams are off 8 months. 3+ seasons?
If the Browns end up releasing him, which they probably will if they are able to void his contract, no team will pick him up even if he's still got all his talent. His name is never going to be clear again to be a franchise QB in the NFL.
@@justonian_ Vick's productive years were significantly limited by his ordeal....Not withstanding the risk of injury shortening it even more. Look at John Jones as an MMA, or Mike Tyson in boxing as analogies; once your career goes off the rails, it's very hard to get it back on as a top tier athlete.
What about Peyton Manning after neck surgery?? He won a Super Bowl with the Broncos. Watson’s still able to train he isn’t a caged criminal dude’s snatching everyone’s soul when he’s back in action! Hahaha
Why would you talk like this when you obviously do not understand the legal system (at all)? This is ridiculous. When did we forget about innocent until proven guilty?
Nah Can't respect Florio disrespecting a DA. As much as he wants to throw scolding rhetoric under the guise of "it's my opinion". Florio using his platform to push a young DA to indict Deshaun Watson because "you're too scared otherwise" should be held to standard. Yes I do believe Deshaun Watson committed some type of crime however trying to poke a bear to get an indictment so you can have more stories for your platform to present is knowingly toeing the line of journalistic integrity. The black and white Florio is speaking I agree with but that gray area is very alarming. Stop trying to bully your way for views Mr Florio
The point about Rusty Hardin talking to the prosecutor isn't just that he "worked the Refs. Hardin is an ex prosecutor who used his connections to have far more contact with the prosecutor than normally happens. Even though the prosecutor was a woman, this is a case of the "old Boys Clubs' helping out one of its own,. This is exactly why women fear coming forward! They know they most likely won't get a fair hearing. '
"Always get a happy ending, no more money I will be spending, I'll just grab em by the hand. have them make me a happy man" The Deshaun Watson Blues by the Cleveland Browns Band.
You sound dumb if you watch the show you kno Chris let's Mike handle the legal court stuff because he used to be a lawyer! Simms makes this show go you tripping 🙄
Gambling on football games. Art Schlichter, 1983. Multiple violations, multiple warnings, multiple suspensions. He was just never able to cure his addiction.
one, if they are giving him happy endings you'd think he'd normally stick with the same person. Second, even if you need massages, why wouldn't you stick with a good one once you find a good masseuse?
If he wanted good massages than he could have had the best massage therapist in the country through the Texans organization I would imagine. I mean they are a NFL organization.
With the salaries these guys are getting now I'd never give a contract without a morality clause. Plain and simple. I've never been in love with ownership but they need to cover their asses. As for Watson he needed to heed the mechanic's warning: You can pay me know or pay me later. Those $100,000 settlements are way in his taillights now.
That's going to be tough to do, especially in a sport like the NFL morals are only good by those who follow it and believe in them. In reality, this is a personal matter. It's not an NFL matter, but the NFL care so much about how people view them that they made it a problem for them
He's right. The lawsuits will never be forgotten, but if he beats the lawsuits and he goes back to playing elite football then over time nobody's going to care. That's the reality of it because at the end of the day nobody truly will know what happened. There's his side, there's the other women's side and in the middle the truth.
You're right. It's he said vs. she said and she said and she said she said and she said and she said she said and she said and she said she said and she said and she said she said and she said and she said she said and she said and she said she said and she said and she said she said and she said and she said. Who can even tell who's right at this point?
@@jeffb.4800 Bro you are just passing judgment on him when the cases are still going. Even if the cases don't go his way and the browns are forced to let him go, He's still going to get some of that money. There's a thing called guaranteed money and the whole contract right now is fully guaranteed. They would have to prove he lied to them after them. Probing his situation.
@@jeffb.4800 Okay but that still doesn't mean he did anything wrong. You got to remember what the case is all about. It's sexual misconduct and sexual assault
if Colin K couldn't play for not harming anyone than DW shouldn't play ever again. my opinion as a CMT and woman. Florio he has a problem so he doesn't think he's done anything wrong. He need serious therapy and to get well. Addicts don't think they are doing any thing wrong until they admit they have a problem.
Question: If the Texans become involved in the Watson situation and are proven to be culpable, could the Browns appeal to the NFL to void the trade between the Browns and Texans? And would the district attorney's in Texas reexamine the case and file charges against Watson? People are dancing around the issue that his reputation will always be a PR nightmare for the NFL and any team that he is with.
I feel that the NFL is going to be as shuddle about this because I guarantee that there is more than one owner who has or does the same thing as DeShawn mostly talking about the owner of the Pats and if the nfl goes after the players for this they will have to go after the owners too.
100 or more girls who don’t care about other human beings? Because why are none of these criminal cases if this is true. 100 women…this is too fishy for me to assign blame even if he looks nuts
Watson is getting suspended for 75 games. Multiple NFL players have been suspended for multiple games for one accusation or issue. So with 24 cases you can assume he's right around 70 plus games
If DeShaun had done the wise and prudent thing 15 months ago and settled at $20,000,000, then he would have been ready to play in the NFL in 2022 and the NFL would have been pleased that this bad situation had gone away...Mr. Florio is right...Take the short term Roethlisberger reputation hit and live to have an extended and healthy NFL career...
😂😂😂 He's a terrible human being, He's a monster, He's guilty of nothing a man can have as many masseuse as he like. Now public opinion matters and law doesn't matters. This whole process is a joke especially these two constantly bringing it up. In reality nobody cares!!!!
The browns fumbled A LOT of things as an avid fan of over 30+ years. It'd easy to make fun of them bc of their blunders but this is on a whole new level entirely. I'm not even mad at them anymore; I'm disgusted.
it starts with the owner.....it is hard to remember that thru the years they have at times been competent....not the lions......but this is not suprizing.....haslam was ripping off truck drivers for god sake.....sleezy
As a Browns fan for over 30 years of course this is how this is going to play out. Embarrassing
I knew this would blow up in our face. From day 1 of the off season I said to give Baker one more season and if it doesn't work out use our draft capital that we used on Watson to trade up for CJ Stroud. Now we owe $230 million to a serial sex offender. I hate this team. Go Browns
Why is it hard to believe there are 24 women willing to lie for millions and millions!....
Bruh they all have the same lawyer and none of them went to the police first.. all went straight for the bag...
Don't forget that 9 of the women bragged about massaging him
Let's be honest. Tony Buzbee is literally neighbors with the owner
@@zenkobe9617 I’m starting to think you are a damn Deshaun Watson Burner Phone bro. Stop defending this shit. Your boy is a perverted weirdo.
Remember when we thought Houston was the most dysfunctional team in the league?
Well…they did enable him and supported his pursuit to assault women. So they’re not exactly home free yet.
You could honestly still make the argument.
They are.
@@zerofang009 not really. We got rid of our hc that ran our team into the ground you forget before the BOB Era the Texans have a history of success
They’re extorting this kid lol they still are
If you do the math, that's one per week every week except some holidays observed. So yeah, let's call this a pattern of behavior.
Almost predatory.....
Yes for the sake of argument let us observe holidays or what have you
I usually can't stand Florio(especially as a niner fan) but I gotta admit he's definitely the best in the media on this deshaun creep situation
Who's house?
Why is he a creep?
He's been the only one really covering it for over a year. Every other media outlet tried to sweep it under the rug or pretend like it wasnt happening. ESPN and the NFL Network would always find ANYTHING else to talk about besides DeShaun Watson...only one of the biggest name quarterbacks in the NFL with all these criminal and civil charges, but yet it's not news. And people wonder why there is general distrust of the media.
@@blakeharris58 because he sexually assaults women… The fact you have to even ask is troubling
@@blakeharris58 why is Watson a creep? Seriously???
He had so many different masseuse’s because he abused them, none would come back for round 2!!!
That has to be the answer.
Serval came back including this new one
That actually makes sense. Then like a predator wants to move on to another city and fresh set of victim's.
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Maybe he pulled his predator act on the second visit.
@@MR.ROBOTVOLTRON I bet you half of those massage therapist knew what was about to go down before they came to give him a massage.
Watson is going to set the Browns organization back by 3 years at the very least. Cap space tied up for Watson and then they don't have 1st draft picks foe 2023 and 2024. Probably going to be 4 to 5 years before they are even competitive again. If I'm a Browns fan I'm picking a new team and saying good bye forever. Shouldn't be a single seat filled until the owner sells the team.
More than 3 years structurally. Decades psychologically (this is legendary, and not in a good way). Especially with so many fans appearing to be apologists for DW against all logic and odds.
Okay Jeff.
The Brown's are in a bad state. They traded for DeShawn and alienated there franchise qb. Who played hurt last year. That is like being adrift on lake Erie in the middle of storm.
@@randylamb3296 Baker isn't anyone's franchise QB...
Baker may be a middle of the road QB, But he's better than a backup and the headache that surrounds the franchise. The Brown's were in that Super Bowl threw out the game. You guys have that awesome running attack and defense.
If I was a star veteran on the Browns hoping for a bowl before my career was over I'd be pissed.
yep, they've got some good players; if I was one of them i'd be demanding any trade out of town.
Why is it hard to believe there are 24 women willing to lie for millions and millions!....
Bruh they all have the same lawyer and none of them went to the police first.. all went straight for the bag...
Don't forget that 9 of the women bragged about massaging him
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@@zenkobe9617 I have no idea what's going to happen. What is known is he didn't go to these girls for just a massage. He could of reached out to the team and they would have hooked him up with qualified therapists. My man was bringing non disclosure contracts to a massage lmao. The NFL has to deal with the court of public opinion and has different expectations than the law for their athletes. Whether he's guilty or not, something about this feels wrong and creepy.
@@zenkobe9617 why is it so hard to believe that a person sexually assaulted others? is it really that crazy to think that someone did that? or is it just because he's an NFL player you obsess over and think he's innocent?
I’m not a Browns fan,but, can’t understand why they tried to thread the needle with this. They were back on the road to contender and said let’s go out and buy some problems. Houston’s problems are now yours . Should have let Houston hold him then cut him. This might set you back 5 years. Shame.
It kills me that people act like Watson and Hardin making up these clearly BS stories about doing this for his health hasn’t impugned his credibility at all.
We're acting like he raped these women. Another year suspension and that's that. That 2.2 million dollar original payout his haunting Rusty and DeShaun
It's amazing that no talking head on ESPN or NFL Network won't call that BS out. What are they so afraid of?
@@howard2031 It doesn't fit ESPNs biased political agenda. They either go against the star black qb or the 24 women. Its a lose lose for the toxic environment they've created
Why is it hard to believe there are 24 women willing to lie for millions and millions!....
Bruh they all have the same lawyer and none of them went to the police first.. all went straight for the bag...
Don't forget that 9 of the women bragged about massaging him..
@@zenkobe9617 When in human history has somebody had 24 sexual assault accusers who were all lying? Because you sound a lot like the people who were defending Harvey Weinstein and Bill Cosby...
That's why the Texans fired their entire training staff after 2019...and before he asked for a trade... when they found out, the training staff who was assisting in setting up the rooms offsite - where fired... but no one seems to bring that up...
Do you have a link for your information?? I’d like to read it
You don't have any facts linking that so no.
Correlation perhaps, but that doesn’t equal causation
But interesting
@@MR.ROBOTVOLTRON Dude. I live in Houston. I remember when that happened. Then the articles came out about Jack Easterby having players followed. No one knew exactly why all that was going on.. but now we see why all that was going on...
@@iAmEdwinHamilton you also are aware that Texans didn't set up Deshaun Watson then
This guy is just so spot on about everything so far. Nobody could have known Deshaun Watson was anything like this. 66 women is crazy.
For a regular joe you must not know about athletes
@@isaiahh4108 Chris Simms was an athlete. The man literally played as a backup in the NFL, and he seems to think its nuts. Are you going to sit there and act like you know better than someone who actually played in the NFL?
Less than 1 a week. Wilt 2.3 per day
@@butkusfan23 he’s capping for the cameras that man was at UT probably down a 2 girls a day
Unless it’s about actual football and then Simms has him beat every time and that’s been shown time and time again
This story isn’t going to have a happy ending for the Browns.
Hahaha, that's funny..
The Browns chose to sign a great football player but a terrible human being. The intangibles are just as important as athleticism. Perhaps even more so. They made their bed, now they have to deal with the consequences.
Yeah, who wants to play for this clown in the locker room
@@theworkethic Which clown? Watson or Mayfield?
He's not a "great" football player.
I’m sorry I was unaware that a guilty verdict was given. Take some time out of your day do your own research and I’m sure you’ll come to the same conclusion as many others. There’s nothing here. Buzzbee has lost at every point in the legal system so he’s fighting in the court of public opinion to force a settlement and the nfl to do something and since half of you have already decided he’s guilty it may have worked but he chose to target the Texans as well and the nfl always protects their own
He's not any more "terrible" than so many others in the entertainment industry:
- Magic Johnson slept arond with a lot women (how do you think he got AIDS)
- Michael Phelps apparently messed around with porn stars etc.
- President Trump obviously had cases where porn stars he messed around with sued him. How many women was Trump around all those years he did beauty pageants.... He's been sued by a number of the women.
You guys should stop acting so surprised about how sex is sold and bought etc.
Deshaun isn't going to jail like Mike Vick - and nobody brings up the dog raping and torture when he's on TV nowadays.
Not sure the Ben stuff "went away". As soon as he retired, nearly every talk show was talking about how he's a hall of famer, but the voters will take into consideration his off-field issues.
People should look into that too, the girl was nuts and talked about coming down to Pittsburgh and “wanted his baby”
True, but it wasn’t really talked about for awhile in his later playing days is what Florio was getting at I think.
@@thekingofpingas yes it was, ironically by Browns fans constantly
On the field Bern was overrated, Id say that he was closer to average than good.
@@QuickHittinEm That's laughable if you look at his numbers. Watch some of his highlights (tons of them since he retired). I forgot just how good he was actually. I think you're underestimating or didn't watch enough Steeler games. Also you don't end up with those all time stats unless you're doing something special.
Maybe texans were on to it hence the request for a trade
Maybe he flipped out when confronted by team
We still don’t know why Watson wanted to be traded! Maybe the team became suspicious and confronted him & he saw it as an insult & breech of trust he couldn’t get past.
It’s the Texans.. their terrible lmao
@@jferg8956 We don’t trust Cal McNair or Jack Easterby, however, it does seem extremely odd that “why Watson was mad” never leaked to anyone.
Everyone just assumed, the Texans were a dumpster fire or they didn’t involve Watson enough in GM & Coaching search, when they told him they would, etc.
Demanding a trade & sitting out, is an extreme reaction to those 2 things.
Why isn’t the NFL media doing their “due diligence”, someone must know exactly what happened.
Perhaps we’ll hear the Texans side now, if Busby tries to involve them as a party in these Civil lawsuits?
@@jferg8956 trust me, I’m definitely not arguing that point.
However, when you get to the question d “how much the Texans knew”?
Jack Easterby is “ultra-Christian” and even as dysfunctional as they are, if something of this nature made it up to him, I could see his reaction being the polar opposite to how Watson has expressed he felt about it, which could cause the impasse we witnessed between the team & Watson.
Hello?
How about the Houston team was mismanaged! Obrien traded Deshuan's best receiver for a nobody basically. The team was going downhill.
It makes a lot of sense why Deshaun would want out.
When they left NDA's in his locker they had to know about by then. If not then they are running a poor business without proper communication through it.
Kind of depends. He said they provided him NDA language. That would be a one time thing on their end, and that doesn't guarantee he used it for 66 different people, nor does it prove he only used it for 1. If he went to them and said, "Hey, I need to change my massage therapist and I want some protections via an NDA as I search, can you write me something up". It's not that crazy. We don't know the extent that they were aware, but it is currently impossible to say they knew.
No they don't. Deshaun is a grown azz man. Nobody should think he is going to assault some women. First of all that would be racist to assume. Lastly McNair is a giant idiot owner. No way he knew anything.
They left NDAs, he left DNA.. so it evens out. Lol
He could’ve came to them asking about one NDA. It sounds shady but I’m not ready to say Texans was in on it.
Everyone who knows anything, knows they were always aware which is why they easily contacted these women. If he was doing his own thing they would never know. They likely told him to set up massages at their facility to “protect” him but they were really setting him up in case of a dispute. They can drop innuendo and he’s not allowed to defend himself.
Calvin Ridley got a full year suspension for a $1500 bet, anything less than 2 years for Watson is an absolute joke
What dy think this is baseball?
Haha that’s funny when this case is a joke the women should all be paying Watson for lying
@@troyadams1749 the chance that your hairline will return is bigger
@@Mehmet_305 😁😂🤣
@@Mehmet_305 😁😂🤣
Man this whole touchy subject involving Deshaun really rubs me the wrong way. But I'm sure he and his team are taking a hands on approach in resolving this. All I know is his 30 for 30 is gonna be fire.
The "Hands On" approach is what got Watson in trouble to begin with. lol
I think Gregory's comments all have a massage reference in every sentence. "Touchy, rubs me the wrong way, hands on approach"
I see what you did there...
how many times will you copy and paste this?
The legend returns, still funny
Mike is bringing it 🔥...awesome 👌
What I want to know is is there any way Cleveland can get out of this Deshawn Watson deal, because I just don’t see how this is ever going away🤷♀️
Yes, there is a chance that if Watson violates any terms of his contract on a personal conduct level deemed detrimental to the organization, the contract and money may be voided and he is cut loose.
Go Browns! 🏈🫵🤠🤚🏈
@@JS45678 yea it can b voided in 2 years the first couple are guaranteed no matter what
well they took him on and signed the contract after the fact of the 22 civil lawsuits but if he knowingly knew about the most recent 2 and didn’t inform them then they could very well have probably cause to terminate his contract and keep all of the guaranteed money
The Browns have a an out in the contract. Florio wrote a great article back in April that there is language that could void the guaranteed money. I think Haslem has to do it. At this point, Watson needs to play the mental health, "I got a problem" defense and seek therapy. Back to Baker...
They may have an out for the money, but they don’t get to recoup all the draft picks they sent over for him
It depends what's detailed in the written disclosure and how vague it is. That could be a brutal fight for the NFLPA
@@Mattswfc14 Excellent point. The disclosure is probably missing a lot of info. Watching what the NFLPA does will be interesting.
@@michaeldc951
That’s what I was going to say
But one problem is better than two
I’m sure he’ll admit to a sexual problem and get help
Mike knows his stuff man…
He's an attorney or used to be... The dude is solid
You know if Deshaun just hired an escort none of this would be happening. Also he could have created any atmosphere he wanted with the escort, cause thats their main job.
Well you see the thing is, he’s really really dumb too.
thats the point you are missing... his fetish was exactly how he was playing it. it wasnt just about busting a nut. for more information on this ask Kellen winslow and darren sharper
Exactly. He can afford to, why risk it all on the basis of thinking his name Carrie’s so much weight to do these kinds of things unscathed.
IMO, this is exactly why I get a predator vibe from Watson. He liked convincing these women to give in.
It’s obvious to me that these WERE BASICALLY ESCORTS. They had social media profiles under the pretense of being massage therapists.
DW will b an albatross. He will be booed mercilessly on the road. That will effect the entire team
Public opinion said Kobe was a horrible person now he the biggest sports icon ever
Baker Mayfield stepped up, played through PAINFUL injury, manned up for his TEAM, and got nothing but disrespect,. Leadership, character, loyalty. We put our children into sports to learn and build good qualities. Shame on the Browns.
lol Baker was an arrogant often poor QB (look at his turnovers etc).
Be honest with your analysis.
You only see things from the point of view where you want to see it. You are ignoring the bad passes to odell etc.
It’s a PR nightmare that never ends. Other players have done bad stuff but it’s out of the news in a week. This story has been getting millions of views and trending off & on for months..
Not true at all. I can name several topics that didn't leave the news involving the NFL and scandals like this. The NFL is always going to be involved in PR nightmares because they care a lot. What other people think about the brand the shield instead of worrying about what truly matters the players, the franchises and the fans
them players didnt have 24 women being touched either and that ben stuff still gets brought up i see it all the time
It's because this guy systematically perpetrated a crime that is both weird and sexual, with 66 women. Most people don't go this far.
Only because they keep talking about it. Robert Krafts crap got swept under the rug. Florio is a piece of crap.
It's kept in the news because other than a "massage" fetish there is nothing out of the ordinary in Watson's life. He likes getting massages. He can afford it. He has not assaulted any of these "therapists!" They did not get the "tip" tgey thought they would get from a high profile, financially secure athlete. The "therapists" are using Watson as their retirement plan. I am sure previous clients of these "therapists" could give an interesting perspective about these "therapists."
this is the WRONG ARENA to get all puffed up. 24 women. 1 star QB
The Craigslist killer was going to medical school when he was caught… investigators didn’t think he had the time… this is just like that… he might be be a starting QB with his days planned out but clearly if someone wants something they’ll figure out a way to squeeze it in
WoW comparing Watson to a serial killer. Thats a new one...😆
He should never see the field again.
Maybe the Texans knew..
And that’s why this Sean Watson wanted out so bad to start with
That doesn’t make sense. Explain further please
Paid leave is way too kind for a serial offender, BUT they could do it this year when his salary is $1 million, then suspend him when it will actually hit his wallet.
HOW CAN NFL LUMP ALL CASES INTO ONE CASE AND SUSPEND FOR ONLY THAT COMBINED CASE??????? TALK ABOUT DEHUMANIZE WOMEN - LIFETIME BAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good point.
The Big Ben issue was forgotten? I see people constantly bringing that up
Nobody will ever talk about how many Steeler fans are glad he’s finally gone.
Because no criminal charges were ever brought up and he was a model citizen. After that you didn't hear a word from him. As far as off the field was concerned. That's why and if DeShaun Watson is able to get past this, it will be the same thing because at the end of the day the court of public opinion doesn't matter. What matters is the players in the fans that come and watch the football games?
Bs. You didn't hear nothing about it when it went down and he still got to finish his career. What Ben did was twice as worse as this
@@ninobrown3394 It’s definitely not been forgotten by fans I constantly hear it thrown around when I watch football with my family and friends whether it’s talked about constantly is another thing but it definitely hasn’t been forgotten
Not sure why Florio asks Chris Simms any question regarding non-football related issues.
I know that we talk about know the browns did a terrible job, but as a falcons fan I am absolutely disgusted by the management. They literally pushed out the door the franchise QB that gave everything for the team to try to trade for a troubled QB, and to lie about checking the authenticity of the allegations and Watson’s background is an absolute joke.
Yes the falcons wanted him
However, I think the falcons are just blowing it up to start over. Get something for Ryan, do him a solid for everything he’s done for them and just be bad instead of mediocre
I think the Falcons did Matty Ice a solid for being a trooper for so long. Then again, I'm a Colts fan.
Also Gruden got shown the door-Why isnt Watson getting the same treatment?
Because you're comparing two different situations
@@flyguy7825 black guys get to live with no accountability?
@@flyguy7825 Because a couple of racial comments are worse than seeing 66 women? Right.
@@bk7064 I don't understand what you're saying. What does his race have to do with anything?
@@flyguy7825 What? Gruden got heat because of racial comments he said years ago. That's what I'm saying.
The media seems to have forgotten all about Bob Kraft. That was only 2019.
Facts
Bob Kraft should be in jail too because that salon was a human traffing ring but he’s super super powerful. The judge wouldn’t even let out the tapes to not embarrass him
"What about him" is a terrible argument. Kraft is a foolish, disgusting old man, but it was consensual according to both parties.
I’m sure that anyone who wants deshaun punished would be in favor of Kraft also being punished.
Nobody has forgotten about Bob Kraft.
DeShawn Watson's silence and not talking to the media is a indication of guilt. There are questions that he doesn't want to answer or a slip of the tongue.
He was obviously lying when he addressed the few questions they did ask him.
Texans organization enabled Deshauan Watson with NDAs. Then then flipped the dirt on him when 💩 hits the fan. McNair should be held accountable.
Let's admit it. He's done. He will never be allowed to be the face of a franchise or represent the NFL. There are too many female fans that took a generation to cultivate.
yea bro plus the accusers and women in general will alienate and protest whatever franchise he plays for. I wouldn't be surprised if there's at least 1 new accuser for the next 5 years anyway. so yea he's done done!
Mike “Uldimadely” Florio. . Mike “Muldible” Florio
People have never forgotten TO’s sit ups in a driveway
Love how florio loves this stuff and Chris is don’t with it and at the end he’s just like I just want to talk football
Really no football to talk about at the moment and won't be for a few more weeks
Tbf what's there to talk about? June and July are always the dryest months for football. All the draft analysis has been done to death and OTAs are about the only thing that happens.
Yeah, Florio practiced law for almost 20 years before this, so he’s about the best person to talk about this stuff and Chris is kinda just along for the ride
@@thehoodedteddy1335 he needs to go back to law apparently cause he's all up on Watson's nuts
@@brockeitel1104 most lawyers are liars because that’s part of the job. It’s all about storytelling
As a Browns fan I was and am completely against their trade for Watson. But you know how a lot of fans are...after he takes his licks (no pun intended) and gets back to playing, if he wins a lot of games they will pretty much forget about these issues. Happened with Tyreek Hill in KC and Mike Vick in Philly. Right or wrong, that's what happens.
Can Browns void their contact with him?!!
Depends on the exact language of the contract, which everyone is guessing about.
Who knows where his mind is going to be at when this is all finally over. Tiger Woods was never the same and my guess is a Watson won’t be either.
Golf is a mental game not so much football
Lmao playing QB isn't a mental game?
@@jeffb.4800 Na not as much as u think throw to the open guy it ain't rocket science
@@bjr0467 - Yeah golf isn’t rocket science either just hit the ball in the hole it’s simple.. LOL
Browns fans will be welcoming back Mayfield with open arms after this.
Nah they’re gonna get 17 games of jacoby brissett 😂
We don't even deserve him. Our trash organization and some of our garbage fans pushed him out for a criminal.
Not everyone want him back and I’m proof of that.
@@G7777K .....if he stays healthy.
Mike Florio is very good at talking the legal stuff. Really just lays out the facts of the case, it's educational to listen to.
Just another scuzzy lawyer
He was completely wrong about everything he said about the prosecutor and how a grand jury works.
What happens when he's been not playing for at least a year and maybe more? Football is football, but the game will pass you by in most cases except a very few players.
Not a quarterback whose not even close to 30 even if heiss 2 years he won't be 30 years old yet
I doubt he sees an NFL field again. If he doesn't get banned, I think the recent MLB case is somewhat standard setting at 2 years. He last played in 2020, with a 2 year suspension he'd be eligible in 24. Far too long a layoff. People talk about rust in September when teams are off 8 months. 3+ seasons?
@@HD-J.R. Definitely not too long of a lay off
If the Browns end up releasing him, which they probably will if they are able to void his contract, no team will pick him up even if he's still got all his talent. His name is never going to be clear again to be a franchise QB in the NFL.
@@HD-J.R. Thanks, I feel like if he doesn't play this year his career is in the shitter.
How good will Watson be with another year off?
Just as good as Vick if not better
@@justonian_ Vick's productive years were significantly limited by his ordeal....Not withstanding the risk of injury shortening it even more. Look at John Jones as an MMA, or Mike Tyson in boxing as analogies; once your career goes off the rails, it's very hard to get it back on as a top tier athlete.
You mean two?
So true…how focused will he be?
What about Peyton Manning after neck surgery?? He won a Super Bowl with the Broncos. Watson’s still able to train he isn’t a caged criminal dude’s snatching everyone’s soul when he’s back in action! Hahaha
Sims: "I'm sick of kind of 'talking' about this subject."
I think you meant "listening to Florio about this subject".
Does anybody know whats up with the black shirts? Related to the Texas shooting I presume?
How did this dude think that this would never come out?
Yes they will
Why would you talk like this when you obviously do not understand the legal system (at all)? This is ridiculous. When did we forget about innocent until proven guilty?
Pretty sure the lightbulb went on for the Texans when they put an NDA to give these women in his locker. Not sure how else to explain that one.
Nah Can't respect Florio disrespecting a DA. As much as he wants to throw scolding rhetoric under the guise of "it's my opinion". Florio using his platform to push a young DA to indict Deshaun Watson because "you're too scared otherwise" should be held to standard. Yes I do believe Deshaun Watson committed some type of crime however trying to poke a bear to get an indictment so you can have more stories for your platform to present is knowingly toeing the line of journalistic integrity. The black and white Florio is speaking I agree with but that gray area is very alarming. Stop trying to bully your way for views Mr Florio
Excellent, excellent, excellent. Florio at his best.
Stop if it’s true 66 women something happen if it was one women maybe but not 66 and I’m betting there’s more predator
The point about Rusty Hardin talking to the prosecutor isn't just that he "worked the Refs. Hardin is an ex prosecutor who used his connections to have far more contact with the prosecutor than normally happens. Even though the prosecutor was a woman, this is a case of the "old Boys Clubs' helping out one of its own,. This is exactly why women fear coming forward! They know they most likely won't get a fair hearing. '
Exacty
Who cares. Let him play. No criminal charges. Move on.......
Every time Florio talks about Deshaun Watson - it's like Pee-Wee Herman in his basement.
"Always get a happy ending, no more money I will be spending, I'll just grab em by the hand. have them make me a happy man" The Deshaun Watson Blues by the Cleveland Browns Band.
You’re probably right Mike …they won’t be forgotten,but you will.
Simms is just an echo of Mike. Just let Mike run the show alone. Simms isn't doing much but agreeing. He seems kinda dumb at times.
You sound dumb if you watch the show you kno Chris let's Mike handle the legal court stuff because he used to be a lawyer! Simms makes this show go you tripping 🙄
as Fred Sanford used to say, "You big dummie!".
In the Zona Norte the massage are $24 - $100 and the ladies don't file lawsuits.
I am now wondering what woud it take for a player to be suspended for LIFE by NFL? It sounds like 24 law suits will NOT be enough.
Gambling on football games. Art Schlichter, 1983. Multiple violations, multiple warnings, multiple suspensions. He was just never able to cure his addiction.
Idk why they got Simms on this show, he brings nothing. Just echoes Florio
Chris was a journeyman QB and is not a lawyer. Expect he doesn't really know what to think about all this mess. Florio is a lawyer.
@@timclaus8313 exactly my point, sir
once they fumbled the bag with Baker, I stopped being a Browns fan. this is so much worse, I'm loving how this is blowing up in their faces
one, if they are giving him happy endings you'd think he'd normally stick with the same person. Second, even if you need massages, why wouldn't you stick with a good one once you find a good masseuse?
Variety is the spice of life.
If he wanted good massages than he could have had the best massage therapist in the country through the Texans organization I would imagine. I mean they are a NFL organization.
Dude just likely has a crazy boundary pushing fetish, after one therapist gives him a happy ending he’s probably bored with her or him
Media is sickening--just cause not much else it is stay n in the news--we R sick of it--NFL suspend this Dummy now!!!
With the salaries these guys are getting now I'd never give a contract without a morality clause. Plain and simple. I've never been in love with ownership but they need to cover their asses. As for Watson he needed to heed the mechanic's warning: You can pay me know or pay me later. Those $100,000 settlements are way in his taillights now.
That's going to be tough to do, especially in a sport like the NFL morals are only good by those who follow it and believe in them. In reality, this is a personal matter. It's not an NFL matter, but the NFL care so much about how people view them that they made it a problem for them
DW needed a come to Jesus moment a year ago. 24 women r lying? idts
I would worry if the Texans were trying to initiate the trade but it was Watson that wanted out.
The *only* way he 'clears his name' is to take every case to court and win them all.
He's right. The lawsuits will never be forgotten, but if he beats the lawsuits and he goes back to playing elite football then over time nobody's going to care. That's the reality of it because at the end of the day nobody truly will know what happened. There's his side, there's the other women's side and in the middle the truth.
You're right. It's he said vs. she said and she said and she said she said and she said and she said she said and she said and she said she said and she said and she said she said and she said and she said she said and she said and she said she said and she said and she said she said and she said and she said. Who can even tell who's right at this point?
No team will pick him up if the Browns release him (given they can get out of his contract which they probably will be able to).
@@jeffb.4800 Bro you are just passing judgment on him when the cases are still going. Even if the cases don't go his way and the browns are forced to let him go, He's still going to get some of that money. There's a thing called guaranteed money and the whole contract right now is fully guaranteed. They would have to prove he lied to them after them. Probing his situation.
Typically where there is smoke there is fire. And let me tell you something buddy, there's a whole lot of smoke. Like 66 smokes.
@@jeffb.4800 Okay but that still doesn't mean he did anything wrong. You got to remember what the case is all about. It's sexual misconduct and sexual assault
NFL is really stepping into it big time. Wait for gruden and discovery. Goodell is toast and deserves all that he gets.
The Browns front office has just committed suicide. LOL.
Mike Florio for the Supreme court...
Vote for Mike
Does talent overshadow hianis behavior... with the nfl's fasaud of high moral character ....hmmmm
if Colin K couldn't play for not harming anyone than DW shouldn't play ever again. my opinion as a CMT and woman. Florio he has a problem so he doesn't think he's done anything wrong. He need serious therapy and to get well. Addicts don't think they are doing any thing wrong until they admit they have a problem.
Problem with your logic is that kapernick was bad at football
I wonder if they have his phone
If at least one of the victims recorded the crime and have it on video Deshaun would b in jail
No making deshaun open is what got him in trouble to begin with 😂
This a damming statement regarding the prosecutor. IDK.
Ive thought that the whole time. They didn't want to bother with it because it would be a lot of work, what a joke of a justice system.
Question: If the Texans become involved in the Watson situation and are proven to be culpable, could the Browns appeal to the NFL to void the trade between the Browns and Texans? And would the district attorney's in Texas reexamine the case and file charges against Watson? People are dancing around the issue that his reputation will always be a PR nightmare for the NFL and any team that he is with.
I feel that the NFL is going to be as shuddle about this because I guarantee that there is more than one owner who has or does the same thing as DeShawn mostly talking about the owner of the Pats and if the nfl goes after the players for this they will have to go after the owners too.
Excellent point. What about the Pats owner? Dan Snyder with topless videos?
Is this the reason they don't what to settle? That they realize there's really 100 or more people that could file if they start settling these suits?
100 or more girls who don’t care about other human beings? Because why are none of these criminal cases if this is true. 100 women…this is too fishy for me to assign blame even if he looks nuts
Florio is the best
Let
me ask you this question. Why do Robert Kraft and Jerry Jones still own NFL teams?
Add Snyder to the list
Thank-You! For explaining the “ Paid Leave Issue”! Very informative! Hope it is over very soon! Very Sad 😢!
Reopen the criminal case
Watson is getting suspended for 75 games. Multiple NFL players have been suspended for multiple games for one accusation or issue. So with 24 cases you can assume he's right around 70 plus games
As sad as it sounds I’m afraid they’re going to give him a bulk discount
Off cough I can name three or four players who have been suspended for six games or less for one or two accusations or issues
66?!?! FINALLY - I thought Bill Cosby's record of 60 would never be broken.
If DeShaun had done the wise and prudent thing 15 months ago and settled at $20,000,000, then he would have been ready to play in the NFL in 2022 and the NFL would have been pleased that this bad situation had gone away...Mr. Florio is right...Take the short term Roethlisberger reputation hit and live to have an extended and healthy NFL career...
There’s no way the browns put Watson on a football field it’s time to shut it down..🤷🏾♂️
😂😂😂 He's a terrible human being, He's a monster, He's guilty of nothing a man can have as many masseuse as he like. Now public opinion matters and law doesn't matters. This whole process is a joke especially these two constantly bringing it up. In reality nobody cares!!!!
Send him to the CFL