UPDATE! Novation addressed quite a few of the "cons" in this video, and added even more stuff in firmware updates - see description above for more details
@@dorsia6938 i never got the appeal of the piano heavy keys. on an actual piano you feel its usefulness physically, but on a synth i feel like it just makes things unnecessarily hard when i could get the same exact expression curve on lighter keys just by pressing lighter maybe im just sore because I tried learning keyboards from a guy who wouldnt shut the fuck up about 'how inexpensive uprights are' despite the face i told him im not interested and i just play synth:P he knew this before appointment #1
You manage to get different sequences playing on different tracks? I can't get it to do anything but play the one sequence I make in any track to play and it just plays across all 8 channels. CANNOT get different sequence per channel playing. Which makes it entirely useless...wtf do I need 8 tracks of the same sequence for you know?
It would be REALLY great if you could also do an update on your previous SL Mk III review now that the v1.4 firmware has come out. A real deep dive especially with the new features now on integrating that with Ableton Live and simultaneously with “in the box” as well as external synths would be soooo helpful.
@@ahzootube It doesn't no. I have pointed this out to Novation that its odd that the flagship controller doesn't get the features from the Launchkey. However, Calc at Novation did show a workaround to get chord mode using the pads. So at least we have that. Its on his live stream video for the 1.4 firmware update.
Although I am new and just researching controllers, this looks like it's something to aspire towards. Thanks for the comprehensive overview in this and other videos. My first controller purchase will hopefully be an informed one because of your work.
17:22 I'm working with Ableton's Python API myself and yes, that's possible. The Track class has the properties output_meter_left, output_meter_right and output_meter_level (left&right). As a rule of thumbs for people who don't know anything about programming, you can say if it's already possible with another controller (Push 2 already does that today) then it's possible with any controller. The API is reverse engineered and there are decompiled versions of the Framework. So anyone can work with the same tools Ableton is using when they are writing scripts for controllers. The only difference is that for us it's much more complicated since there is no actual public documentation. But technically we can do anything Ableton could do (at least on Python level).
Just got mine today and I'm loving it so far! Already watched this 3 times, such a comprehensive guide and review. Thanks so much! Can't wait to continue to explore this awesome sequencer!
Amazing 😉! This is what the industry needed to get its act together. Now maybe we can get a Push controller with a standalone sequencer mode and cv/gate/trigger inputs and outputs. This does a beautiful job of centralizing all types of controllable instruments!
So good to see you a picture of you guys. Loopop you are too cool and humble to show yourself, but we got you this time. Take care during the lockdown and thanks for the amazing reviews!
Hi Loopop, it would be really great if you could do a deep dive on this midi keyboard / controller post firmware 1.4 release. With your in depth knowledge of all things DAW and your ability to cut through to the necessary detail in a no nonsence way, a new beep dive would be invaluable. I consider your content so well organised and valuable that within watching 2 or 3 videos I signed up to your Patreon channel with a smile on my face, knowing that I was going to get the inside track...I would like to thank you for your contribution...it's invaluable...I'm in the UK btw....your influnce is spreading!!!
Thanks so much for joining my Patreon and for the kind words! Unfortunately I review so many things that it's almost impossible to cover firmware updates :/ I do occasionally but I don't want to promise this one...
I did give it serious consideration but opted for the Native Kontrol S49 as I liked the integration with Kontrol/Kontakt over mcc as I already own a Nektar Impact so it can do most of what the SL can but the Kontrol can do things NONE of them are able to do. So from my own experience and use, I think nks is superior to straight Midi/mcc and with vst support now in Kontrol, I made the right purchase decision FOR ME. For anyone who does not use Kontakt, fair enough, but I love Kontrol/Kontakt and I love the way I can control and configure key splits assign midi channels through the Kontrol app and press one preset button to change the templates for individual songs and scenes and it also has a button for that to. Impossible to not be impressed with the SL, but its down to what the user wants it to do that makes both machines suit different tastes and people.
I bought this thing and it really is a Joy to be able to have the "circuit sequencer ", using to record into my deluge with limitless bar length and song mode, as a cascading sequencer, is really fun to use and build song ideas!
I actually thought of getting sth similar to that. I'm more akin to a circuit&pyramid combo, though. But I'll check that songmode on the deluge, again.
This is my next acquisition for my Ableton Live 11 studio (small studio I might add) but your review shows me just what I need for new hardware. Thank you so much for the review.
WOW! I don't know how I missed this. 😵 All these little awesome things from different controllers over the years (like Akai, Arturia, nektar, native instruments, all novation's launchpad stuff...) Put in one place. Trying to consolidate the best workflow out of all my gear has really put a damper on my output. This seems like a great answer.
One of the things I wish was totally different is switching between controlling the instrument and various FX in the DAW. When I do live recordings I don't want to take both of my hands off the keys and pause to switch between FX, and I need to because of how far the "options" key is from the pads on the left side. You need both hands, one to press "options", one to press the pad. I wanted to see if this pad control of the instrument and 2 closest FX on the left can somehow be re-assigned to pads on the right side, or if order could somehow be reversed, but so far I was unable to figure it out. If I could use just one hand, I could switch between instrument and FX controls almost seamlessly without a significant delay. Eventually I just worked it out by moving SL MK III and the entire rack very close to my two touch sensitive Planar monitors, so now I just use the right hand to change to a different effect right on the monitor without stopping to play with my left hand. It's not ideal though, because it makes other things a little cumbersome, but I'll probably work it out eventually. Another thing that I couldn't work out is why when I try to assign the control knobs and faders of the older NI VSTs in Ableton to control knobs on SL MK III, sometimes this becomes impossible after the 8th SL MK III knob is assigned. Usually the "page" just turns and the "up" arrow lights up and you continue assigning. But with some instruments used as VSTs in Ableton such as some but not all Reaktor 6 Ensembles, - only 8 knobs can be assigned and pressing arrows to "turn the page" does nothing. Sometimes when I try this again after saving the project and re-calling it it begins working on its own, and other times, - I'm stuck with just the 8 controls and have to "choose wisely" LOL. Wonder what this "bug" is about.
The Casio CTK 7200/WK7500 and other arranger workstations have 90% of the functionality and a lot more besides. It's downsides are USB only and a menu dive that'll give you the bends. However, it's less than half the price but doesn't have the cool factor but an immensely capable animal all the same with 8 lanes X 256 step X 4 part pattern sequencer via GM, vast Arp selection, drawbar organ with 9 faders, DSP tone editing, 16 track song recorder etc. I could go on about its feature set but you get the picture. Novations big plus here is producing a system that ergonomically suits modern EDM and has good s/w integration and now multiple midi output variation. It's tempting but a lot of folks who already have an arranger board have the majority of the capability at their fingertips. I've seen a few videos now on this and the same question is unintentionally posed by each. Do you have the time-patience-mindset-musical knowledge to avail of all the features to spend most of your time arranging and perfecting multiple simultaneous sequences or do you just want to get down with a good jam with say two or three lively backing tracks? Having invested many hours doing both I eventually decided on the latter.
@@andreimclive I think you'll have to research that one yourself as my knowledge comes from ownership of the Casio and research I did at the time of purchase (a year ago). It would appear a lot of the same feature sets are available...such as multi-track midi recording and output, a large variety of tones and rhythm patterns, step and non-quantised sequencing, arpeggiators et al. The reason I went for the Casio were editable tones (envelope, mod, DSP etc), a great Arp selection, a decent drawbar organ emulation using faders, as adrawbars, three audio inputs and audio recording but only on a single channel (a feature I used before I got serious and became proficient in DAWs. (I now have an 18 input channel interface but I have no problems using 10 simultaneously these days). The drum samples are excellent but tones require editing before they come close to synth-like sonic delight but you can create some really interesting sounds if you are willing to invest the time in your equipment, learn it's features and practice them. Oh, and the price £225 which is astounding for what you get. Most similar boards from Korg or Yamaha are 3 times that. To put it into perspective with my set-up I also have 3 Analog synths and a digital synth module plus 2 laptop's an iPad (all running multiple virtual instruments and DAWs and 6 other midi controllers/sequencers from the likes of Arturia, Novation and M Audio. Having said that I use the Casio everyday due to its versatility (large format Swiss Army Knife), dependability (I know exactly how it will sound), 5 Octave keyoard, drums. Caveat Emptor: judge s spec not by what's in it but by what's missing, particularly their own descriptions and how they phrase features and capabilities. Try them out and get independent advice. Arranger boards are complex, can be difficult and take time to establish an efficient workflow and they don't have many flashing LEDs!!! Also my own view is they are not specifically designed for EDM, but rather for song writing or live performance. There does not appear to be one keyboard to rule them all so if you're serious you'll end up with a fine array of black plastic like me :-) Good Hunting.
Hi Fin, That is a great thought! I already have a Yamaha PSR A2000 that I bought three years ago and it's a mid range arranger with world music capability. I originally purchased it because it has speakers and seemed like a rather inspirational arranger. Note, I generally create electronic, ambient and experimental music in Logic so an arranger was way outside my normal comfort zone. I like your idea in principle, but struggle with how easy it would be to use that and control external hardware (i.e. small desktop synths like Roland D-05, Waldorf Streichfett, TR8-S, and other older analog modules). I know I could get sequences sent to each via different midi channels, but there is no way I know of mapping the arrangers controls to adapt to the different CCs needed by each of the synth modules (maybe individually that could be achieved but not sure how you could have multiple CCs assigned to a single control on the unit). Also, the GUI is not exactly immediate as you mentioned about menu diving. I do like the scaling function on the Novation controller and although it is expensive and has some shortcomings it might actually be easier to use in some specific cases depending on what you are trying to achieve. In any event you have given me something to consider as an alternative and I appreciate it!
@@goaway2174 another consideration is that, at least from my own perspective, I actually prefer having more keyboards than one size fits all. You should look at the Kenton MIDI-USB Hub (£100) ...plug your USB keyboard into the hub and it's 5 Pin DIN out (no computer) but you'll need a further midi switch to get 4 separate physical outs for individual channels. Another poster above mentioned its the price of a Deep Mind 12 - I know what I'd prefer 😉
midi signal - Your suggestion would be more useful for some musicians. However, those who would use this keyboard to play their favorite virtual rotary organ (B3) instrument plugin would want faders to map to the virtual drawbars. (Although for drawbars, 9 faders are FAR more optimal than 8, so why Novation chose to include only 8 I don't know.) The best scenario would be to have 9 faders AND another set of endless rotary knobs! (Novation, are you listening!?! Maybe on Mk4...)
Came here because I'm considering replacing my NI Kontrol49 with the Novation SLmk3. When I bought the NI Kontrol I was doing lots of software & kontakt instruments and the NKS support was a big selling point. But there's a lot of annoying downsides - the primary one which is the arpeggiator will not work manually with hardware (over midi etc) - unless you first open a DAW and add the Komplete Kontrol plugin. Just to use the Arp or Midi with hardware. I found over time I quit using the NKS support and now that I've gotten more into hardware and modular, the CV support, sequencer, and even the drum pads and fader knobs are all convincing me it's time to switch over. Thanks for this video!
Hi , nice video! I wonderi f there is a video available for beginners , for example if you open the box and configure everything with the novation components. As we use Reason and there are many videos for ableton. thanks in advance, steve
OK but the most important question of all for keys players; how's the keybed? Is it a terrible spongy keybed like 90% of all MIDI controllers out there, or is it similar to the incredible Fatar beds on the SLmk1?
Very nice, and a great dive. Novation beat Arturia to the punch here as an answer to the non-existent Keystep Pro, for sure. Further, this looks to be a fantastic controller for a number of Roland products, from the Boutiques to the Roland Cloud software (at the same time!). Finally, with aftertouch and such a nice sequencer, it it looks to be an ideal companion for Novation's own near-forgotten stepchild, the Peak. May be just what I'm looking for a desktop set-up that includes a number of these items. Thanks!
The only thing that could make this (even more of) a no-brainer would be if it had a built-in interface like the Maschine MKIII. I'd love to see more controllers have that. We'll be entering a genesis level of equipment when controllers start regularly having interfaces.
Definitely going to invest in this to work alongside my soon to be Komplete Kontrol S88 MKII. Super cool! Speaking of which I definitely see some influences from NI in their product but they took some of their own spins on their control too which I love
Great that they gave the sequencer variable loop length, but I totally agree that it would be great to not have it quanitized to a grid. I guess its only a small portion of musicians who would really want that though. Ambient and experimental mainly. Super cool that it has microtonal support too
In addition to the limitations of the sequencer in terms of number of patterns and steps per pattern, I am baffled by the fact that there are only two pages of controllers (for the knobs, faders and button) that can be access using the up/down arrow buttons. There should be unlimited number of pages available, as in NI Maschine or Komplete Kontrol.
New firmware 1.2 announced by Novation (12/19/2019). Adds a lot of great features and functionality. Still no additional banks of buttons, faders or encoders.... but... a step in the right direction! And, apparently new Ableton Beta versions might fix the issue that presented itself with the "Options" button, with the SL MKIII... (last version of Ableton that worked great with the SL MKIII was 10.1). Hope this helps people out there!
@@loopop they are decent but nothing great. We know this because we have the premium keybeds that have been used for many years in the more expensive dedicated standalone Synth.
1:02 - that's quite a line-up. I should probably be embarrassed by this but I don't know who the person on the far right (as we look at it) is - the person outside of Ziv. Given the company they are keeping, I should probably follow them too, so a pointer would be nice, please :)
Hi Loopop, do you still have the unit with you? If you do, would you mind testing whether the SL MkIII sends out the full range of 127 possible velocity values, or does it also have huge gaps in its velocity range like its predecessor the SL MkII had? I think that potential buyers deserve to know this before they make their decision. Easiest and quickest option to test this would be to use the freely available Velocity Checker Max4Live device.
Best Controller I've seen so far, it can do everything and compared to other Keyboards its very clear and easy to use. But this amount of functions is just a little bit too much for me. I have to remember so much (is it the internal sequence or the DAW, what chords did I save on the pads, what Controls did I assign...) that I get lost and then usually end up using only the basic functions because I cant remember everything. I just cant get used to hardware that changes the whole layout with every few knobs i press. Guess I'm used to HW where every knob always does the same thing (maybe 2 with shift).
You are not wrong, It get consuming I have some controllers without even screen and so many variable per pad/knos It get messy and I lose sight. Max function is best to be 2 per pad/knos unless there is screen next to each one to give me feed back.
Fan Feng me too!! That would be brilliant. An SL88/76 mk3 with hammer action keys would be cool, as well.. Or .. a SL Zero mk3..with 32keys.., sort of like what Loopop made a comment on.
Great review! So many choices. I personally prefer full-size semi-weighted keys, 2.5 octaves, preferably USB powered, that way I can power it with my battery bank.
Perhaps I missed it, but does this remember encoder positions when you power off? For example, let’s say I’ve built a map for a Nord rack. I map an encoder to cutoff. Original, I know. 🤪 I turn encoder to like 2:00 position to set cutoff. I power off keyboard, then come back later and turn it on. Is the 2:00 position remembered by the keyboard so when I turn it it doesn’t jump? Or does it do what most controls do and reset encoders internal values to zero on power off? Make sense?
Agree would love to see a 37 Keys version. I know you would probably lose the faders on that version, and midi learn as we all like being away from the box. Great review. Be interesting if you could hook up a Circuit to the Mk 3 keyboard and have expanded Sequencer capabilities on a 37 key version having the Circuit talk closely to the midi keyboard. a bit like how Roli have with their blocks!
Matching NI with knobs, LIVE integration, Lightguide, Screens. Adding buttons, pads, faders, CV control, sequencer for same pricing! Zones and Layers from Day 1! And full transport. Impressive. Also - BUSY! No Mackie Control? Serious? Only Ableton? Keys and Pads responsiveness? Awesome for hybrid Analog/DAW setup. For DAW-only, seems to have misguided priorities. Loopop: Thanks for a well-made video. This is better than Novation's own vid.
Your review convinced me to get an SL61 MKIII. While Novation NEEDS to do some firmware updates.... a lot of things could be DRASTICALLY improved.... it's pretty damn dope. And out of ALL my midi controllers (and I have a handful)... the keybed is flawless. It just feels better than my Arturia Keylab MK2, better than my NI Komplete Kontrol S49 MK1. But, feature-wise.... Sessions are a fantastic feature... not even mentioning how you can store sequences with Sessions.... just, the fact that Sessions can be any mix of up to 8 Templates.... and the ability to load/save them/swap them out instantly... is one of the best features of the SL MKIII. I will never remove or sell this board from my studio or setup. Some things just have a permanent place. This is one of those pieces of gear. I just hope Novation continuously releases firmware updates for it, like Circuit. If they don't, they're shooting themselves in the foot. There is SO much potential with this SL MKIII. I hope they support it the way all of us need.
I have one of these along with Reason 11...and so far writing better music than I have for over 22 years. And I have'nt picked up a manual yet. With the SL though I can clearly see I'm going to have to dive into the menu soon. That's fine. Part of the deal when you're out out of practise or new to a new concept.
RICO which version of the MPK49 do you have ? I have the original v1 and the rotary encoders and faders on the top right don't really work well anymore. They are sending out MIDI signals when not being used and I basically can't control any synths now. Can't seem to find repair parts so I'm thinking about the newest MPK49, or the Arturia MKII, or this Novation.
@@ricogaming2047 cool, I had done the same before, too. Good upgrade for sure. I did see that they sold the top right board before but there aren't any left. Oh well, might be time to get a new keyboard/ controller.
Maybe it's because I'm not good at it, but I think the Cubase I use doesn't have a good sequencing function like Studio One7 or Ableton Live... There's a way to change the DAW, but I'd like to try using a master keyboard with a sequencer function. I am considering Arturia Keystep and Novation SL, but if I buy them now, I feel like the next new product will appear, so I'm waiting. I hope the MK4 is released for the SL line as well.
I just got myself one of these, and frustration levels are already pretty high. The problem is the Components software and its limited/shoddy features. Example: you want to assign two different Buttons to emit the Program Inc/Dec messages needed to navigate patches on your synths. After carefully configuring the buttons (and rechecking) one button behaves as planned, the other doesn't budge. Other example: you'd like to use one of the 8 faders to control the Master Volume of some destination device. You dive into Components only to discover that there are *no* options to send System Exclusive (SysEx) messages of any kind to the outside world. So it is currently (on 1.4 firmware) apparently impossible to send MIDI Master Volume messages to your synths. A little bird told me "Stop messing about with these, and try the InControl functionality." So I downloaded and installed the Logic Pro X Control plug-in from Novation, and launched Logic. Crash! "OK".. so I head to the Novation support site and enter the required keywords, and lo and behold, there's a support article that explains the problem, and offers a fix. I follow every step of the fix, relaunch Logic (after rebooting my Mac to ensure a clean slate start).. crash. Novation? Are you reading this? I want to give the SL mk3 every chance, because on paper it ought to be a killer controller.. but so far it is not fulfilling expectations (note: my previous MIDI kbd was the Roland A-800PRO )
Good idea on this. Take the simplicity of the Arturia Keystep sequencer, expand it a bit, and add it to an advanced controller. And hey...that's almost exactly what you just said. Maybe I should watch the entire video BEFORE I comment. : )
Wow, it's a Supreme Pizza, it's got the lot. Yes, a smaller form factor unit would be great, especially when using this with analog gear, as everything needs to be controllable within an arms length. Another great video loopop. Thanks, Cheers from Australia
My apologies, I’ve been watching quite a few videos today and enjoy your content and obviously watch Bo too. So many great content creators and your in depth reviews are always top notch. Thank you very much.
Yes, you’re a man of mystery. A synth super hero maybe? You can stop criminals by using your cv gate. CC = Catch Criminals could be your emblem. The Midiman name is already being used. Hmmm. Don’t use envelopes to inform the authorities as the postal system is inefficient compared to alternate modern technologies.
When chaining patterns (8:10), can you 'sequence' the patterns? For example if I wanted the order to be pattern 1,2,2,4 and repeat, could I do that? Or do they just loop within a range? Like if I choose patterns 1,2,and4, would it only play 1,2,4 and repeat instead of 1,2,2,4? Also, in this example would pattern 3 be included automatically because it in the middle? Basically, does it only chain a range of patterns or can you order individual patterns that are not next to each other?
Really looking forward to picking this up, I've been using a KK61 MK2 for the past 2 years, and recently I've discovered it has no onboard memory to store presets/templates for my external hardware. I'm thinking if it's anywhere as flexible as the Novation Zero SL MK2 series as I'm planning on having the faders mapped out only to the second MIDI out port, which will act as fader control for my 8 Octatrack channels. The first MIDI out sending keys, etc., to a Squarp Pyramid, which then will serve as the main sequencer, but the prospect of being able to map all of the buttons on board, or even a knob that can switch instrument channels thru the Pyramid would be a change that I'm so excited to see. I hope it's able to do some of these things. I have initially been looking to pick up the Keystep Pro, but I realize I don't need all the gate/cv when I've already got the Pyramid.
Looks great but how is it possible that they forgot the SWING in the arpegiator options? there are 7 parameters so there is still a place for the swing...
I'd like to ask something. In expand session mode, how can we play a different song part like we hit the play button on the right side of the rows in abletons session view? I would be glad if you answer. Thanks.
@@jean-lucbell7571 probably not but im guessing maybe in a year or two a mk4 might be available.. The keys also aren't full size i don't think.. I also have no idea how to play a piano lol.. So i can't really tell you how it compares to real keys, it also just arrived today and I have yet to open the box lol..
@@flufferbat2619 wish you the best with your new gear mate... Mean while I'll be waiting hoping they release an 88 keys fully weighted version of this, cheers!
Like it a lot, turbo charges BSPro / Keystep, I do think it’s expensive though :-( You just know Arturia are waiting in the wings... best to hold off and wait.
kvfive Arturia have just released MKII of their prime Midi Keyboard. No sequencing, as they surely want you to also buy their dedicated Beatstep sequencers. For this reason I dont think Arturia will release a combined controller in the next 2 years. NI is totally focused on NKS and their own hardware. Akai competes with NKS with their Advance VIP controllers. Good move from Novation to target hybrid users.
Game changer. Since I've brought it home, I've sold 4 pieces of gear as the SL MKIII has effectively consolidated all of that functionality into one central unit and rendered all of that other gear useless. This unit isn't cheap, but still an incredible value considering all of that old gear I sold collectively cost me over $1.5k. This unit has quickly become the central hub of my studio, controlling Ableton and all of my hardware synths with an intuitive, streamlined workflow.
I'm thinking of getting one myself. Is it good for launching clips & scenes, in Ableton? Its only got 2 rows of pads.. I was thinking of adding a Maschine Jam..or at least an Akai APC Mini. Thanks (What did u sell, then ..if u don't mind me asking?)
Please do a comparison of the sl mk3 VS s49 mk3 Novation's premium keyboard vs. Native Instruments MK3 products.. I'm sure a lot of folks would like to see the difference and which is the best out of the two. thanks continue the great work that you're doing I think your channel is outstanding🎉❤
@loopop Thanks for your instant reply. Do you know know which sound is similar to yours in yamaha sx 700, which I m using.I 'm planning to use it for the left hand or as a corse for the worship.
And advanced but seldom used feature would be to be able to output duplicate data on your choice of channels and ports in any combination. Currently you can have either or both ports, but only one channel, the same channel only , I think, on one or both ports. But it would occasionally be very handy to be able to output on more than one channel at the same time. Like for example when layering two external synths or controlling a multimbral synth. I could be missing something, but the impression I currently have is you can't do that with any controllers currently? Maybe some exotic midi processor, idk.
I'm looking at this versus the Native Instruments Komplete Kontrol S61, which has the better FATAR keybed but no faders (for Hammond Organ) and no CV. I'd buy it over this one just for the keybed. The one on this one is OK, better than most, but remember that Novation's last version of this DID have the Fatar keys. I wonder why they dropped it? How useful do you find the CV outputs? My application is to control two Behringer synths (Modle D and Pro-800_. Great video, thanks!
I have a question: does the sequencer have built-in swing or shuffle? I could work around it but would be nice to play with swing already set to a certain amount on the keyboard.
I have a good chance of getting second hand in good price... I hope they don't release mk4 in 1-2 months with polyphonic aftertouch and possibly some other goodies... 😃 still considering
Ok I have the laptop with mixcraft 10, audio presonus 1810c, and speakers, and the Novation 49SL MKIII keyboard, I see on the back of the keyboard there are three connections in/out/thru, question is to hear sound through mixcraft which plugs do I use on the back of the keyboard the first 2 or the 2, 3 starting from the left. My cables are red and black?
Thanks Loopop!!👍🏻 I have recently bought a Mk SL III and one thing I could not figure out is how do you delete parts of a sequence? A part from one instrument or the whole pattern. I have seen different tutorials on the web made by the Novation team but it didn't came clear how to delete error parts of a performance in the sequencer. Please let me know. Thanks again👍🏻
WORD! I am frightened that after purchasing it many of the features will be unmappable :/ and I was raised on fl, ableton always felt somewhat complicated and unintuitive and so I really would like to avoid the transition
@@eksel20 I don't have any specific issues with Ableton, but FL Studio works as a VST, so greater FL implementation would also help use it as a tool in other DAWs. I also just wnat to see more options. Diversity lends itself to creativity.
The pattern feature on the arpeggiator is almost identical to the one on the mininova. I've not seen much put up about this controller after the initial release, would be very interested to see a retrospective from people who have been using it for a while.
Thank you, this review Is very useful. But...I would have added some considerations about the quality of the keybed and the built itself...After all this is a top priced midi keyboard...does the quality of the hardware worth the money?
Hi Loopop, You could rate the quality of the encoders - the last Artura controller I tested had sloppy encoders while next to it stood the Akai with top notch and tight encoders.
@@bobcatt2294 I can for you. Sadly it's not using the Fatar Keybed. Is the keybed bad, NO. Is it high quality NO. It's average. The Native Instruments S series of Keyboard controllers have the best Key bed since they use the exact same Fatar Keybed(TP/9s) as DaveSmith, Kurzweil, NORD and many other high end units. For semi weighted Synth actions keys, Fatar is considered the best as well as Yamaha's high end Synths. Even the Arturia cheaped out with the MK2. The Mk1 had the fatar. So sick and tired of these cheap keybeds. It appears the manufacturer is valuing adding more features instead of using premium keybeds. Again the Keys aren't bad on the Novation but for $500 I expected better. I think most will be happy with the Novation keybed so as long as they have never used quality key beds.
Would one be able to move refined sequences from the DAW to the MK III? Then do live performances using these sequences while leaving the computer at home? I like to work back and forth between the keyboard and tweaking sequences on the computer to get the parts correct but I prefer to leave the computer out of the performance.
UPDATE! Novation addressed quite a few of the "cons" in this video, and added even more stuff in firmware updates - see description above for more details
This is the controller I've been waiting for for years.
It's a Ableton push with keys, cv and midi out and scales mode.
So good
I wish they made this with fully weighted 88 keys, it would be expensive but I'd happily pay.
@@dorsia6938 i never got the appeal of the piano heavy keys. on an actual piano you feel its usefulness physically, but on a synth i feel like it just makes things unnecessarily hard when i could get the same exact expression curve on lighter keys just by pressing lighter
maybe im just sore because I tried learning keyboards from a guy who wouldnt shut the fuck up about 'how inexpensive uprights are' despite the face i told him im not interested and i just play synth:P
he knew this before appointment #1
You manage to get different sequences playing on different tracks? I can't get it to do anything but play the one sequence I make in any track to play and it just plays across all 8 channels. CANNOT get different sequence per channel playing. Which makes it entirely useless...wtf do I need 8 tracks of the same sequence for you know?
Thank you for being 100% transparent when doing these kind of reviews. Great work, as always.
Welcome
I can't stop listening to the intro of this video over and over again as the music is awesome!
We saw your face! As always, a great detailed look at a device. And as usual, now I want one. Thanks so much.
It would be REALLY great if you could also do an update on your previous SL Mk III review now that the v1.4 firmware has come out. A real deep dive especially with the new features now on integrating that with Ableton Live and simultaneously with “in the box” as well as external synths would be soooo helpful.
+1 on this
yep
Too bad that it doesn't have the chord mode like the launchkey
@@ahzootube It doesn't no. I have pointed this out to Novation that its odd that the flagship controller doesn't get the features from the Launchkey. However, Calc at Novation did show a workaround to get chord mode using the pads. So at least we have that. Its on his live stream video for the 1.4 firmware update.
@@contactJesus how? I don't see any updates on their website
Although I am new and just researching controllers, this looks like it's something to aspire towards.
Thanks for the comprehensive overview in this and other videos. My first controller purchase will hopefully be an informed one because of your work.
17:22 I'm working with Ableton's Python API myself and yes, that's possible.
The Track class has the properties output_meter_left, output_meter_right and output_meter_level (left&right).
As a rule of thumbs for people who don't know anything about programming, you can say if it's already possible with another controller (Push 2 already does that today) then it's possible with any controller.
The API is reverse engineered and there are decompiled versions of the Framework. So anyone can work with the same tools Ableton is using when they are writing scripts for controllers. The only difference is that for us it's much more complicated since there is no actual public documentation. But technically we can do anything Ableton could do (at least on Python level).
A 25/37 key keyboard on this version would be interesting. This is a great keyboard, great review! Congrats
Just got mine today and I'm loving it so far! Already watched this 3 times, such a comprehensive guide and review. Thanks so much! Can't wait to continue to explore this awesome sequencer!
Can you share some of how it's held up over the past year. Wre you still using it to this day?
Amazing 😉! This is what the industry needed to get its act together. Now maybe we can get a Push controller with a standalone sequencer mode and cv/gate/trigger inputs and outputs. This does a beautiful job of centralizing all types of controllable instruments!
To bad they didn't get there act together on the Keybed quality.
@@paulj9821 How does it compare to a KKMK2?
the way this aged like wine lmao
The 1.4 update has made this so much more useful.
And that is the answer, :), keeping my finger crossed for you to keep the level of professionalism in your channel. Thanx again and rgds M.
So good to see you a picture of you guys. Loopop you are too cool and humble to show yourself, but we got you this time. Take care during the lockdown and thanks for the amazing reviews!
JumoDaddy busted! Yeah that meetup was a lot of fun for sure
Hi Loopop, it would be really great if you could do a deep dive on this midi keyboard / controller post firmware 1.4 release. With your in depth knowledge of all things DAW and your ability to cut through to the necessary detail in a no nonsence way, a new beep dive would be invaluable. I consider your content so well organised and valuable that within watching 2 or 3 videos I signed up to your Patreon channel with a smile on my face, knowing that I was going to get the inside track...I would like to thank you for your contribution...it's invaluable...I'm in the UK btw....your influnce is spreading!!!
Thanks so much for joining my Patreon and for the kind words! Unfortunately I review so many things that it's almost impossible to cover firmware updates :/ I do occasionally but I don't want to promise this one...
It is very helpful the content index in the left side.
Incredible. I didn't expect music industry can come up with something new that I WANT!
I did give it serious consideration but opted for the Native Kontrol S49 as I liked the integration with Kontrol/Kontakt over mcc as I already own a Nektar Impact so it can do most of what the SL can but the Kontrol can do things NONE of them are able to do. So from my own experience and use, I think nks is superior to straight Midi/mcc and with vst support now in Kontrol, I made the right purchase decision FOR ME. For anyone who does not use Kontakt, fair enough, but I love Kontrol/Kontakt and I love the way I can control and configure key splits assign midi channels through the Kontrol app and press one preset button to change the templates for individual songs and scenes and it also has a button for that to. Impossible to not be impressed with the SL, but its down to what the user wants it to do that makes both machines suit different tastes and people.
what does the kontrol do?
I bought this thing and it really is a Joy to be able to have the "circuit sequencer ", using to record into my deluge with limitless bar length and song mode, as a cascading sequencer, is really fun to use and build song ideas!
Is this only a step sequencer or can you record sequences live?
I actually thought of getting sth similar to that.
I'm more akin to a circuit&pyramid combo, though.
But I'll check that songmode on the deluge, again.
Mine just arrived from sweetwater today ! Thank u for the vid, this lil beast is a bit complex lol
This is my next acquisition for my Ableton Live 11 studio (small studio I might add) but your review shows me just what I need for new hardware. Thank you so much for the review.
awesome review. I've been considering this and I'm happy that you did a review of it.
WOW! I don't know how I missed this. 😵 All these little awesome things from different controllers over the years (like Akai, Arturia, nektar, native instruments, all novation's launchpad stuff...) Put in one place. Trying to consolidate the best workflow out of all my gear has really put a damper on my output. This seems like a great answer.
I just sold my mpk249 and keystep pro for one of these
Hi there, can one delete clips in Ableton via the sl mk3? Like the Push? Thank you.
I think u can... just hit CLEAR when in in-control mode.....
I want this. I don't even make music.
😂😂😂
Buy some Christmas tree lights and save a bundle.
He'll still need the Prophet for the knobs.
Salty Maud haha
I'm getting it and I don't make music. Hahaa
One of the things I wish was totally different is switching between controlling the instrument and various FX in the DAW. When I do live recordings I don't want to take both of my hands off the keys and pause to switch between FX, and I need to because of how far the "options" key is from the pads on the left side. You need both hands, one to press "options", one to press the pad. I wanted to see if this pad control of the instrument and 2 closest FX on the left can somehow be re-assigned to pads on the right side, or if order could somehow be reversed, but so far I was unable to figure it out. If I could use just one hand, I could switch between instrument and FX controls almost seamlessly without a significant delay. Eventually I just worked it out by moving SL MK III and the entire rack very close to my two touch sensitive Planar monitors, so now I just use the right hand to change to a different effect right on the monitor without stopping to play with my left hand. It's not ideal though, because it makes other things a little cumbersome, but I'll probably work it out eventually. Another thing that I couldn't work out is why when I try to assign the control knobs and faders of the older NI VSTs in Ableton to control knobs on SL MK III, sometimes this becomes impossible after the 8th SL MK III knob is assigned. Usually the "page" just turns and the "up" arrow lights up and you continue assigning. But with some instruments used as VSTs in Ableton such as some but not all Reaktor 6 Ensembles, - only 8 knobs can be assigned and pressing arrows to "turn the page" does nothing. Sometimes when I try this again after saving the project and re-calling it it begins working on its own, and other times, - I'm stuck with just the 8 controls and have to "choose wisely" LOL. Wonder what this "bug" is about.
Great review as allways! The MKiii looks great!
good review bro, even timed it out for us. Thanks. subscribed
A 73 key-bed model starting from 1C to 73C would be great. Thanks for sharing the in depth review.
What a nice video ... your presentation skills are great ... well done!!
The Casio CTK 7200/WK7500 and other arranger workstations have 90% of the functionality and a lot more besides. It's downsides are USB only and a menu dive that'll give you the bends. However, it's less than half the price but doesn't have the cool factor but an immensely capable animal all the same with 8 lanes X 256 step X 4 part pattern sequencer via GM, vast Arp selection, drawbar organ with 9 faders, DSP tone editing, 16 track song recorder etc. I could go on about its feature set but you get the picture.
Novations big plus here is producing a system that ergonomically suits modern EDM and has good s/w integration and now multiple midi output variation. It's tempting but a lot of folks who already have an arranger board have the majority of the capability at their fingertips.
I've seen a few videos now on this and the same question is unintentionally posed by each. Do you have the time-patience-mindset-musical knowledge to avail of all the features to spend most of your time arranging and perfecting multiple simultaneous sequences or do you just want to get down with a good jam with say two or three lively backing tracks? Having invested many hours doing both I eventually decided on the latter.
@@andreimclive I think you'll have to research that one yourself as my knowledge comes from ownership of the Casio and research I did at the time of purchase (a year ago).
It would appear a lot of the same feature sets are available...such as multi-track midi recording and output, a large variety of tones and rhythm patterns, step and non-quantised sequencing, arpeggiators et al. The reason I went for the Casio were editable tones (envelope, mod, DSP etc), a great Arp selection, a decent drawbar organ emulation using faders, as adrawbars, three audio inputs and audio recording but only on a single channel (a feature I used before I got serious and became proficient in DAWs. (I now have an 18 input channel interface but I have no problems using 10 simultaneously these days).
The drum samples are excellent but tones require editing before they come close to synth-like sonic delight but you can create some really interesting sounds if you are willing to invest the time in your equipment, learn it's features and practice them. Oh, and the price £225 which is astounding for what you get. Most similar boards from Korg or Yamaha are 3 times that.
To put it into perspective with my set-up
I also have 3 Analog synths and a digital synth module plus 2 laptop's an iPad (all running multiple virtual instruments and DAWs and 6 other midi controllers/sequencers from the likes of Arturia, Novation and M Audio. Having said that I use the Casio everyday due to its versatility (large format Swiss Army Knife), dependability (I know exactly how it will sound), 5 Octave keyoard, drums.
Caveat Emptor: judge s spec not by what's in it but by what's missing, particularly their own descriptions and how they phrase features and capabilities. Try them out and get independent advice. Arranger boards are complex, can be difficult and take time to establish an efficient workflow and they don't have many flashing LEDs!!! Also my own view is they are not specifically designed for EDM, but rather for song writing or live performance. There does not appear to be one keyboard to rule them all so if you're serious you'll end up with a fine array of black plastic like me :-)
Good Hunting.
Hi Fin, That is a great thought! I already have a Yamaha PSR A2000 that I bought three years ago and it's a mid range arranger with world music capability. I originally purchased it because it has speakers and seemed like a rather inspirational arranger. Note, I generally create electronic, ambient and experimental music in Logic so an arranger was way outside my normal comfort zone.
I like your idea in principle, but struggle with how easy it would be to use that and control external hardware (i.e. small desktop synths like Roland D-05, Waldorf Streichfett, TR8-S, and other older analog modules). I know I could get sequences sent to each via different midi channels, but there is no way I know of mapping the arrangers controls to adapt to the different CCs needed by each of the synth modules (maybe individually that could be achieved but not sure how you could have multiple CCs assigned to a single control on the unit). Also, the GUI is not exactly immediate as you mentioned about menu diving. I do like the scaling function on the Novation controller and although it is expensive and has some shortcomings it might actually be easier to use in some specific cases depending on what you are trying to achieve. In any event you have given me something to consider as an alternative and I appreciate it!
@@goaway2174 another consideration is that, at least from my own perspective, I actually prefer having more keyboards than one size fits all.
You should look at the Kenton MIDI-USB Hub (£100) ...plug your USB keyboard into the hub and it's 5 Pin DIN out (no computer) but you'll need a further midi switch to get 4 separate physical outs for individual channels.
Another poster above mentioned its the price of a Deep Mind 12 - I know what I'd prefer 😉
Endless rotary knobs would be more useful than the faders. Especially if they came with led rings around them.
midi signal absolutely correct
That's why I will keep my MKii over this.
There are 8 rotary knobs just over the little displays. I suppose you can midi map them as you want.
midi signal - Your suggestion would be more useful for some musicians. However, those who would use this keyboard to play their favorite virtual rotary organ (B3) instrument plugin would want faders to map to the virtual drawbars. (Although for drawbars, 9 faders are FAR more optimal than 8, so why Novation chose to include only 8 I don't know.) The best scenario would be to have 9 faders AND another set of endless rotary knobs! (Novation, are you listening!?! Maybe on Mk4...)
@@PCemmy Thats why Arturia Keylab have 9 faders :)
Came here because I'm considering replacing my NI Kontrol49 with the Novation SLmk3. When I bought the NI Kontrol I was doing lots of software & kontakt instruments and the NKS support was a big selling point. But there's a lot of annoying downsides - the primary one which is the arpeggiator will not work manually with hardware (over midi etc) - unless you first open a DAW and add the Komplete Kontrol plugin. Just to use the Arp or Midi with hardware. I found over time I quit using the NKS support and now that I've gotten more into hardware and modular, the CV support, sequencer, and even the drum pads and fader knobs are all convincing me it's time to switch over. Thanks for this video!
Hi , nice video! I wonderi f there is a video available for beginners , for example if you open the box and configure everything with the novation components. As we use Reason and there are many videos for ableton. thanks in advance, steve
Novation invited a very special group of people for that sneak peek. That is awesome.
OK but the most important question of all for keys players; how's the keybed? Is it a terrible spongy keybed like 90% of all MIDI controllers out there, or is it similar to the incredible Fatar beds on the SLmk1?
The key bed on these are not spongy at all. I find it to be closer to the MPK249, but with a light show built in.
Very nice, and a great dive. Novation beat Arturia to the punch here as an answer to the non-existent Keystep Pro, for sure. Further, this looks to be a fantastic controller for a number of Roland products, from the Boutiques to the Roland Cloud software (at the same time!). Finally, with aftertouch and such a nice sequencer, it it looks to be an ideal companion for Novation's own near-forgotten stepchild, the Peak. May be just what I'm looking for a desktop set-up that includes a number of these items. Thanks!
yeah all of that but they cheaped out on the Keybed.
The only thing that could make this (even more of) a no-brainer would be if it had a built-in interface like the Maschine MKIII. I'd love to see more controllers have that. We'll be entering a genesis level of equipment when controllers start regularly having interfaces.
honestly we should have been there decades ago, the tech was there!
Can you have the arpeggiator running while playing other sounds and then also still be able to morph and tweak the arpeggiator live?
you can
lovin the LED indicators at rear of keys
Definitely going to invest in this to work alongside my soon to be Komplete Kontrol S88 MKII. Super cool! Speaking of which I definitely see some influences from NI in their product but they took some of their own spins on their control too which I love
Great that they gave the sequencer variable loop length, but I totally agree that it would be great to not have it quanitized to a grid. I guess its only a small portion of musicians who would really want that though. Ambient and experimental mainly. Super cool that it has microtonal support too
Thanks for doing this, I am getting my SL 61 mk3 delivered today.........
Mine arrives today, thanks for the vid - great work!
Never thought I'd ever get to see your face, Loopop. I feel like a Star Wars fan after watching Episode VI for the first time! 😅
I have shown my face once, pray I don't show it any further
In addition to the limitations of the sequencer in terms of number of patterns and steps per pattern, I am baffled by the fact that there are only two pages of controllers (for the knobs, faders and button) that can be access using the up/down arrow buttons. There should be unlimited number of pages available, as in NI Maschine or Komplete Kontrol.
New firmware 1.2 announced by Novation (12/19/2019). Adds a lot of great features and functionality. Still no additional banks of buttons, faders or encoders.... but... a step in the right direction! And, apparently new Ableton Beta versions might fix the issue that presented itself with the "Options" button, with the SL MKIII... (last version of Ableton that worked great with the SL MKIII was 10.1). Hope this helps people out there!
Ableton has already released 10.1.6 which fixed the issue.
@@RadekPilich Had no idea... thx!
Some comments on the keybed quality would be great!
not weighted, synth action, very good
@@loopop they are decent but nothing great. We know this because we have the premium keybeds that have been used for many years in the more expensive dedicated standalone Synth.
The recent firmware updates have made this even better. It's the center and brain of my setup. Fabulous gear
1:02 - that's quite a line-up. I should probably be embarrassed by this but I don't know who the person on the far right (as we look at it) is - the person outside of Ziv. Given the company they are keeping, I should probably follow them too, so a pointer would be nice, please :)
It's CALC - Chris Calcutt - works at Novation, great musician and educator, and a very nice and friendly person on top of that!
1:00 holy cow, it’s a photo of Loopop!!
Hi Loopop, do you still have the unit with you? If you do, would you mind testing whether the SL MkIII sends out the full range of 127 possible velocity values, or does it also have huge gaps in its velocity range like its predecessor the SL MkII had? I think that potential buyers deserve to know this before they make their decision. Easiest and quickest option to test this would be to use the freely available Velocity Checker Max4Live device.
Indeed the velocity is the most important thing in a master keyboard...
Best Controller I've seen so far, it can do everything and compared to other Keyboards its very clear and easy to use. But this amount of functions is just a little bit too much for me. I have to remember so much (is it the internal sequence or the DAW, what chords did I save on the pads, what Controls did I assign...) that I get lost and then usually end up using only the basic functions because I cant remember everything. I just cant get used to hardware that changes the whole layout with every few knobs i press. Guess I'm used to HW where every knob always does the same thing (maybe 2 with shift).
You are not wrong, It get consuming I have some controllers without even screen and so many variable per pad/knos It get messy and I lose sight. Max function is best to be 2 per pad/knos unless there is screen next to each one to give me feed back.
Amazing!!! I wonder if Novation has any plans for make SL Zero Mk3.. I love to see it with Hardware Synth Control function and built in Sequencer :)
I am looking forward too
Fan Feng me too!!
That would be brilliant.
An SL88/76 mk3 with hammer action keys would be cool, as well..
Or .. a SL Zero mk3..with 32keys.., sort of like what Loopop made a comment on.
Yeah and maybe a FATAR keybed instead of the cheap crap they peddle in the SL MK3
I am an avid Ableton Live user and this has to be the best keyboard on this planet. Really impressed!
you have it?
@@jdssurf Yeah, I bought it last year and have been very satisfied!
Great review! So many choices. I personally prefer full-size semi-weighted keys, 2.5 octaves, preferably USB powered, that way I can power it with my battery bank.
Perhaps I missed it, but does this remember encoder positions when you power off? For example, let’s say I’ve built a map for a Nord rack. I map an encoder to cutoff. Original, I know. 🤪
I turn encoder to like 2:00 position to set cutoff. I power off keyboard, then come back later and turn it on. Is the 2:00 position remembered by the keyboard so when I turn it it doesn’t jump? Or does it do what most controls do and reset encoders internal values to zero on power off?
Make sense?
Agree would love to see a 37 Keys version. I know you would probably lose the faders on that version, and midi learn as we all like being away from the box. Great review. Be interesting if you could hook up a Circuit to the Mk 3 keyboard and have expanded Sequencer capabilities on a 37 key version having the Circuit talk closely to the midi keyboard. a bit like how Roli have with their blocks!
+1 for the 37 (mini) key version. It actually comes with a Circuit template. I haven't tried it out but quite a few parameters are accessible
Matching NI with knobs, LIVE integration, Lightguide, Screens. Adding buttons, pads, faders, CV control, sequencer for same pricing! Zones and Layers from Day 1! And full transport. Impressive. Also - BUSY! No Mackie Control? Serious? Only Ableton? Keys and Pads responsiveness? Awesome for hybrid Analog/DAW setup. For DAW-only, seems to have misguided priorities. Loopop: Thanks for a well-made video. This is better than Novation's own vid.
Your review convinced me to get an SL61 MKIII. While Novation NEEDS to do some firmware updates.... a lot of things could be DRASTICALLY improved.... it's pretty damn dope. And out of ALL my midi controllers (and I have a handful)... the keybed is flawless. It just feels better than my Arturia Keylab MK2, better than my NI Komplete Kontrol S49 MK1.
But, feature-wise.... Sessions are a fantastic feature... not even mentioning how you can store sequences with Sessions.... just, the fact that Sessions can be any mix of up to 8 Templates.... and the ability to load/save them/swap them out instantly... is one of the best features of the SL MKIII. I will never remove or sell this board from my studio or setup. Some things just have a permanent place. This is one of those pieces of gear.
I just hope Novation continuously releases firmware updates for it, like Circuit. If they don't, they're shooting themselves in the foot. There is SO much potential with this SL MKIII. I hope they support it the way all of us need.
I have one of these along with Reason 11...and so far writing better music than I have for over 22 years. And I have'nt picked up a manual yet. With the SL though I can clearly see I'm going to have to dive into the menu soon. That's fine. Part of the deal when you're out out of practise or new to a new concept.
The light up scales mode looks useful for learning.
NO need to upgrade am still rockin my akai mpk 49 and it does the job very well
RICO which version of the MPK49 do you have ? I have the original v1 and the rotary encoders and faders on the top right don't really work well anymore. They are sending out MIDI signals when not being used and I basically can't control any synths now. Can't seem to find repair parts so I'm thinking about the newest MPK49, or the Arturia MKII, or this Novation.
@@batmandalorian5504 i have the original as well v1
@@ricogaming2047 Have you done any repairs, and would you know of any places to get them repaired i might check out ?
@@batmandalorian5504 only thing i had to replace was the pads from mpcstuff.com thats all i had to replace
@@ricogaming2047 cool, I had done the same before, too. Good upgrade for sure. I did see that they sold the top right board before but there aren't any left. Oh well, might be time to get a new keyboard/ controller.
Maybe it's because I'm not good at it, but I think the Cubase I use doesn't have a good sequencing function like Studio One7 or Ableton Live... There's a way to change the DAW, but I'd like to try using a master keyboard with a sequencer function.
I am considering Arturia Keystep and Novation SL, but if I buy them now, I feel like the next new product will appear, so I'm waiting.
I hope the MK4 is released for the SL line as well.
Nice to see you man!!! Peace!!!
I just got myself one of these, and frustration levels are already pretty high. The problem is the Components software and its limited/shoddy features. Example: you want to assign two different Buttons to emit the Program Inc/Dec messages needed to navigate patches on your synths. After carefully configuring the buttons (and rechecking) one button behaves as planned, the other doesn't budge. Other example: you'd like to use one of the 8 faders to control the Master Volume of some destination device. You dive into Components only to discover that there are *no* options to send System Exclusive (SysEx) messages of any kind to the outside world. So it is currently (on 1.4 firmware) apparently impossible to send MIDI Master Volume messages to your synths. A little bird told me "Stop messing about with these, and try the InControl functionality." So I downloaded and installed the Logic Pro X Control plug-in from Novation, and launched Logic. Crash! "OK".. so I head to the Novation support site and enter the required keywords, and lo and behold, there's a support article that explains the problem, and offers a fix. I follow every step of the fix, relaunch Logic (after rebooting my Mac to ensure a clean slate start).. crash. Novation? Are you reading this? I want to give the SL mk3 every chance, because on paper it ought to be a killer controller.. but so far it is not fulfilling expectations (note: my previous MIDI kbd was the Roland A-800PRO )
Any joy with it in the end?
Good idea on this. Take the simplicity of the Arturia Keystep sequencer, expand it a bit, and add it to an advanced controller. And hey...that's almost exactly what you just said. Maybe I should watch the entire video BEFORE I comment. : )
Wow, it's a Supreme Pizza, it's got the lot. Yes, a smaller form factor unit would be great, especially when using this with analog gear, as everything needs to be controllable within an arms length. Another great video loopop. Thanks, Cheers from Australia
Thanks! This isn’t Bo’s channel but I’ll take the compliment anyway ;)
My apologies, I’ve been watching quite a few videos today and enjoy your content and obviously watch Bo too. So many great content creators and your in depth reviews are always top notch. Thank you very much.
Richard Williams no worries at all - my fault for not showing myself plus Bo is awesome
Yes, you’re a man of mystery. A synth super hero maybe? You can stop criminals by using your cv gate. CC = Catch Criminals could be your emblem. The Midiman name is already being used. Hmmm. Don’t use envelopes to inform the authorities as the postal system is inefficient compared to alternate modern technologies.
Awesome, you met Rachel Collier and DivKid.
Yes! What a treat!
I always enjoy seeing my “TH-cam Synth Peeps” meet up! You’re all fantastic! 🤗👍❤️
When chaining patterns (8:10), can you 'sequence' the patterns? For example if I wanted the order to be pattern 1,2,2,4 and repeat, could I do that? Or do they just loop within a range? Like if I choose patterns 1,2,and4, would it only play 1,2,4 and repeat instead of 1,2,2,4? Also, in this example would pattern 3 be included automatically because it in the middle? Basically, does it only chain a range of patterns or can you order individual patterns that are not next to each other?
No.
why did they have to put the shift button lonesome on top left? makes no sense to me :/ wish i could stop ableton clips using just one hand
Really looking forward to picking this up, I've been using a KK61 MK2 for the past 2 years, and recently I've discovered it has no onboard memory to store presets/templates for my external hardware. I'm thinking if it's anywhere as flexible as the Novation Zero SL MK2 series as I'm planning on having the faders mapped out only to the second MIDI out port, which will act as fader control for my 8 Octatrack channels. The first MIDI out sending keys, etc., to a Squarp Pyramid, which then will serve as the main sequencer, but the prospect of being able to map all of the buttons on board, or even a knob that can switch instrument channels thru the Pyramid would be a change that I'm so excited to see. I hope it's able to do some of these things. I have initially been looking to pick up the Keystep Pro, but I realize I don't need all the gate/cv when I've already got the Pyramid.
Looks great but how is it possible that they forgot the SWING in the arpegiator options? there are 7 parameters so there is still a place for the swing...
Did they ever get around to adding transposing of patterns?
Comparing this to Keystep Pro atm. (pretty sure this has transpose of patterns)
I'd like to ask something. In expand session mode, how can we play a different song part like we hit the play button on the right side of the rows in abletons session view?
I would be glad if you answer. Thanks.
Thanks for this video, I totally just bought a 61key & this totally influenced my decision.. Also watched this allot too lol..
Does the 61 keys version has fully Weighted keys?
@@jean-lucbell7571 semi
@@flufferbat2619 thanks, I hope they soon release a fully Weighted version
@@jean-lucbell7571 probably not but im guessing maybe in a year or two a mk4 might be available.. The keys also aren't full size i don't think.. I also have no idea how to play a piano lol.. So i can't really tell you how it compares to real keys, it also just arrived today and I have yet to open the box lol..
@@flufferbat2619 wish you the best with your new gear mate... Mean while I'll be waiting hoping they release an 88 keys fully weighted version of this, cheers!
Like it a lot, turbo charges BSPro / Keystep, I do think it’s expensive though :-( You just know Arturia are waiting in the wings... best to hold off and wait.
kvfive Arturia have just released MKII of their prime Midi Keyboard. No sequencing, as they surely want you to also buy their dedicated Beatstep sequencers. For this reason I dont think Arturia will release a combined controller in the next 2 years. NI is totally focused on NKS and their own hardware. Akai competes with NKS with their Advance VIP controllers. Good move from Novation to target hybrid users.
@@TheOneMonk looks like Arturia has done it the Keystep pro
Game changer. Since I've brought it home, I've sold 4 pieces of gear as the SL MKIII has effectively consolidated all of that functionality into one central unit and rendered all of that other gear useless. This unit isn't cheap, but still an incredible value considering all of that old gear I sold collectively cost me over $1.5k. This unit has quickly become the central hub of my studio, controlling Ableton and all of my hardware synths with an intuitive, streamlined workflow.
I'm thinking of getting one myself.
Is it good for launching clips & scenes, in Ableton?
Its only got 2 rows of pads..
I was thinking of adding a Maschine Jam..or at least an Akai APC Mini.
Thanks
(What did u sell, then
..if u don't mind me asking?)
Please do a comparison of the sl mk3 VS s49 mk3
Novation's premium keyboard vs. Native Instruments MK3 products.. I'm sure a lot of folks would like to see the difference and which is the best out of the two.
thanks continue the great work that you're doing I think your channel is outstanding🎉❤
Thanks for the kind words! I'll include more detailed comparisons in a video coming soon.
Very Usefull video.
Can I ask what instrument played on 5:43 please
If I remember correctly the Rev2
@loopop Thanks for your instant reply. Do you know know which sound is similar to yours in yamaha sx 700, which I m using.I 'm planning to use it for the left hand or as a corse for the worship.
@TheJourneySeekers sorry not familiar with that one
And advanced but seldom used feature would be to be able to output duplicate data on your choice of channels and ports in any combination. Currently you can have either or both ports, but only one channel, the same channel only , I think, on one or both ports. But it would occasionally be very handy to be able to output on more than one channel at the same time. Like for example when layering two external synths or controlling a multimbral synth. I could be missing something, but the impression I currently have is you can't do that with any controllers currently? Maybe some exotic midi processor, idk.
I'm looking at this versus the Native Instruments Komplete Kontrol S61, which has the better FATAR keybed but no faders (for Hammond Organ) and no CV. I'd buy it over this one just for the keybed. The one on this one is OK, better than most, but remember that Novation's last version of this DID have the Fatar keys. I wonder why they dropped it?
How useful do you find the CV outputs? My application is to control two Behringer synths (Modle D and Pro-800_. Great video, thanks!
You actively wanted minikeys? Mind blown.
I’m absolutely sold after watching this video. I’m a garbage keyboard player however that insanely powerful sequencer function is what really sold me.
I have a question: does the sequencer have built-in swing or shuffle? I could work around it but would be nice to play with swing already set to a certain amount on the keyboard.
OT - 1:01 - I know BoBeats, Cuckoo, and RKC, but I don't recognize the others (middle and right)?
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@@loopop Thank you, and thanks for posting this. Very informative. Did I miss info about the aftertouch or was it basic/not worth mentioning?
Damn was about to buy this until i heard you CAN NOT TRANSPOSE sequences. Ugh...so close. Hope they add that soon!
I have a good chance of getting second hand in good price... I hope they don't release mk4 in 1-2 months with polyphonic aftertouch and possibly some other goodies... 😃 still considering
I’m waiting for that brother
Thank you for sharing! Amazing tutorial!
Ok I have the laptop with mixcraft 10, audio presonus 1810c, and speakers, and the Novation 49SL MKIII keyboard, I see on the back of the keyboard there are three connections in/out/thru, question is to hear sound through mixcraft which plugs do I use on the back of the keyboard the first 2 or the 2, 3 starting from the left. My cables are red and black?
Thanks Loopop!!👍🏻
I have recently bought a Mk SL III and one thing I could not figure out is how do you delete parts of a sequence? A part from one instrument or the whole pattern. I have seen different tutorials on the web made by the Novation team but it didn't came clear how to delete error parts of a performance in the sequencer. Please let me know. Thanks again👍🏻
What a beautiful piece of music.
Is there any way to print a sequence(from the MK3) to clip in Ableton like you can with the Launchpad pro?
please do a quickie on the 1.2 and 1.3 updates :)
Excellent review!
Manufactureres need to start working with Image Line for tighter FL Studio implementation.
WORD! I am frightened that after purchasing it many of the features will be unmappable :/ and I was raised on fl, ableton always felt somewhat complicated and unintuitive and so I really would like to avoid the transition
@@eksel20 I don't have any specific issues with Ableton, but FL Studio works as a VST, so greater FL implementation would also help use it as a tool in other DAWs. I also just wnat to see more options. Diversity lends itself to creativity.
Phenomenal explanation... Thank you !!!
The pattern feature on the arpeggiator is almost identical to the one on the mininova. I've not seen much put up about this controller after the initial release, would be very interested to see a retrospective from people who have been using it for a while.
Thank you, this review Is very useful. But...I would have added some considerations about the quality of the keybed and the built itself...After all this is a top priced midi keyboard...does the quality of the hardware worth the money?
Yes, but I admit I haven’t yet figured out how to objectively explain on video how keybeds feel. Happy to hear ideas for metrics
Hi Loopop, You could rate the quality of the encoders - the last Artura controller I tested had sloppy encoders while next to it stood the Akai with top notch and tight encoders.
@@bobcatt2294 I can for you. Sadly it's not using the Fatar Keybed. Is the keybed bad, NO. Is it high quality NO. It's average. The Native Instruments S series of Keyboard controllers have the best Key bed since they use the exact same Fatar Keybed(TP/9s) as DaveSmith, Kurzweil, NORD and many other high end units. For semi weighted Synth actions keys, Fatar is considered the best as well as Yamaha's high end Synths. Even the Arturia cheaped out with the MK2. The Mk1 had the fatar. So sick and tired of these cheap keybeds. It appears the manufacturer is valuing adding more features instead of using premium keybeds. Again the Keys aren't bad on the Novation but for $500 I expected better. I think most will be happy with the Novation keybed so as long as they have never used quality key beds.
Hi Paul, thank you for the time and response. I thought Novation would have much better keybeds.
Would one be able to move refined sequences from the DAW to the MK III? Then do live performances using these sequences while leaving the computer at home? I like to work back and forth between the keyboard and tweaking sequences on the computer to get the parts correct but I prefer to leave the computer out of the performance.
There’s no midi file import if that’s what you mean. You can create and tweak on the SL without a computer at all though