I really wish Gigaton Hammer had the Freeze Dry effect where itd be super effective against steel types. I feel like it just makes too much thematic sense.
Just in general I'd love to see more moves with additional effectiveness boosts like freeze-dry, there's definitely potential out there! Gigaton Hammer's a great pick for that.
Yeah, it's weird. There are only two moves with different type charts than the rest. It's such an interesting move concept too, but to only limit it to Freeze Dry and Flying Press is rough..
@@EmersonCRVG the pokemon that is the only one to get it that has an attack in the seventies that already has the nerf to only be able to use it every other turn, needs a nerf to also be a lot less powerful?
@@EmersonCRVG let's not act like steel types already have naturally high defenses without being ev or nature boosted, or that steel offensively isnt even good and is only used more now since fairy is so good.
There’s also Toxic Thread, the signature move of Spinarak and Ariados. Weird thing is, they got it in gen 7, *five whole generations* after their debut.
Fun Fact: Fire Lash can be learnt by Salazzle, who has the great ability Corrosion. Bad thing is is not only is Salazzle really frail, Glimora gets Corrosion and uses it better. So RIP Fire Lash
corrosion would actually be pretty good on salazzle if it instead let poison types hit steel types instead of just poison them. no idea why they didn't do that instead, but i suppose its far from game freaks most baffling decision
Even without evolving, it would be way better if it were just more synergistic and efficient in how it's designed. Pointless amount of stats wasted on defenses and sp. atk. I'm not proposing anything *super* insane because it's an early route bug, but still. Canon spread is 60/79/92/52/86/35. And I actually think it could stay pretty slow and still benefit from its other traits, saving some points for them. So I would propose like 60/109/72/42/66/55, even being purposefully conservative with how much the Sp. Atk gets lowered so that the minmax feels less "tryhard". Even just 55 speed really boosts how much it would outspeed after they get affected by Silk Trap or Sticky Web. And I would give it priority, so that there are more situations where Stakeout is actually good for something. Shadow Sneak would make a decent amount of sense, given that it's an ambush hunter. Mach Punch could arguably work when it already learns a couple of Fighting-type moves.
There should be some kind of ability/held item that boost bug pokemon stats based upon how many bugs are on your field/team. Call it "Will of the Swarm" or something.
I'm fine with it continuing not to get an evo IF they gave it a male counterpart - since it was supposed to have one in gen 1 according to beta datamines.
tbf though both Magmortar and Electivire trade off speed for a bit of power so Jynx would have probably gotten worse in Gen 4 if it got an evo of the same kind as Magmar and Electabuzz.
they were once a trio, but jynx is controversial so gamefreak tried to leave her behind. but you know who else is controversial? even more controversial than jynx? Porygon. And yet porygon got another evo in gen 4 unlike jynx who got left in the dust.
@@iwannaseehowlongyoucanmakethis tbf to Porygon the whole effect of that scene was Pikachu's fault since it was the one to use Thunderbolt which caused the flashing effect that gave kids seizures.
a really specific hackmons strat was no retreat and jawlock together. increasing each stat like thatnwas strong, but vulnerable to the likes of haze, taunt, etc.
@@aidenawe9359 If the user has already been given the "Can't Escape" status by another move such as Mean Look, No Retreat will successfully grant its stat boosts but will not create an additional status line to trap the user again. In this case, using No Retreat multiple times will create multiple boosts. -Bulbapedia
Idk if anyone commented this but one move that always interested me was toxic thread. It’s basically a poison type string shot, it lowers the opponents speed by one stage, and poisons them. If the opponent is steel or poison, they can still get their speed lowered. Idk if it hits two targets in doubles like string shot but it is quite a unique move. If it does it hit two Pokémon in doubles, it would be a better poison gas, without the poor accuracy. If you’ve never heard of this move, that’s because it’s exclusive to spinerak and ariados, but was added in sun and moon.
It's broken moves not signature moves, some of them are on a couple pokemon already. And also some of these would be useless on smeargle. I can see topsy turvy working though.
I feel like silk trap is similar to kings shield where it only protects u from attacks but status moves can still hit u like taunt or glare. I need to look at the move description again
I mean, if smeargle starts using it people will adapt to just use status moves against it or non contact physical moves or special moves. Silk trap isnt the end all that ot seems.
@@legendoftytoki7222to be fair Smeargle often ran Spiky Shield instead of Protect years ago, so I don't think that's an issue, it will probably run Silk Trap especially in the beginning when everyone is experimenting. Probably will be a viable option over protect like Spiky Shield was many formats ago
Me too, my fav mon in gen 8. It's concept is so cool and creative. Too bad it's so weak we can't use it in competitive at all. I mean I don't play competitive actually but who doesn't want their fav mon to shine?
It definitely has room to grow Currently it’s a Greek hoplite formation but have it evolve into other shield walls Give it a Roman form that looks like the turtle and then go with a more Norman kite shield formation and it would be buffed while having an amazing throughline
_"It isn't defamation if it's true."_ _-SidAlpha_ Base-75 Attack makes Gigaton Hammer a crippling overspecialization. She needs Swords Dance to do coverage damage, and even Play Rough is lukewarm.
QOTD: This is a bit above the scope of the question, but I want a poison type with toxapex's merciless + baneful bunker combo. Both of those elements feel wasted on pex, both in singles and doubles alike, so I'd love for a mon like Arbok (maybe on a regional form?) Or Drapion to get it ;-;
I agree as somebody who likes to run mono-poison, I want more Pokemon to have Merciless. On Showdown's Almost Any Ability, Overquill works really well with it since it would be a 100% crit 120 bp move if its opponent is poisoned (because Barb Barrage doubles bp on poisoned pokemon). It makes sense because that would make Overquill Op, but it would make thematic since so it upsets me (also we need more good poison types because the only good poison types are Sneasler, Iron Moth, or legends)
@@Goldy12378 The problem with Toxic Thread is that it's a silk based move like sticky web, so its distribution feels limited to bug types mainly. With that being said, I would LOVE for more spider based mons to get the move. It would give galvantula and spidops fun liches as non poison types able to poison mons
@@Terry_T_ODST so true! No I agree with you, it'd be hard to justify giving it to more Poison types ahaha. But maybe cuz Drapion used to be a bug it could work
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Gigaton hammer on melmetal wouldn’t change much actually Double iron bash with iron fist has 144 base power (almost the same) and can be spammed (only problem is that it has 8 pp)
durant may not have a signature move, but it does have the exclusive wombo combo of the truant ability and entrainment. nobody understands what’s happening until it’s too late
tbf it feels like Tinkaton's stats were designed _after_ she was given Gigaton Hammer, which gave her a crippling overspecialization. I think I would've done the base stats _first._
I've seen some romhacks that share signature moves with other pokemon the might still make sense. E.g. Seaking getting Fishiousrend, or Kabutops getting Stone Axe.
Even with its 75 Attack, Tinkaton's hammer is basically an instant "click here to make the enemy disappear" button. That plus its speed and bulk, along with an assault vest, have led to it being the ace of my main playthrough team, which is really saying something considering my team also includes a friggin' _mythical Pokémon._
@@curnott6051 There aren't exactly a lot of Corviknight in single-player. I also have an Ampharos and Skeledirge. It's my ace team member, not my only team member.
@@TheOriginalJphyper he means in competitive. When the things you're competing against aren't twenty levels under, actually have desirable natures, EVs, IVs, natures, and are fully evolved, Tinkaton can't compete even with Gigaton hammer. The damage of the move becomes more unimpressive if you consider that using Iron Head twice would do the exact same damage.
We really need some *good* PHYSICAL Electric moves. The only ones we got are either exclusive to PikaClones or legendaries. My man Luxray needs all the help he can get.
Luxray needs that Partner Pikachu zippy zap, a priority electric move that always crits would make it an amazing revenge killer with intimidate and its attack stat.
I used Heatmor in Gen 8, and it wasn't bad. It has really good coverage with Giga Drain and Scorching Sands, and I Maxed it in Trick Room with Dusclops to activate WP and slow it to a decent speed with Bulldoze. I literally did it because I was in Wolfe's sub server and people hated on him. When I showed them proof and said "It's not a bad Pokemon" people took that to mean that I thought it was a top tier threat, so I got harassed. It was particularly annoying because I know for a FACT that if a player like Wolfe or Cybertron used it and said it wasn't bad, people would have loved it. I'm a believer in that every Pokemon is usable, but not necessarily good. Most of them require specific setup to make work, but they're definitely usable. It's fun to theorycraft that shit.
i love tinkaton man, i used assault vest tinkaton to go 6-3 at hartford regionals back in reg c as a flutter counter/bulky fake out user, it's prob the best anti-flutter mon in the game but unfortunately isn't good enough to do anything outside of that ;-;
I really hope that when they distribute more signature moves to other pokemos they stray away from giving them to top tier ones and instead buff kind of mediocre-ish ones. Except bug types, give bugtypes all the moves available they need them, give all moves to ze bugs🙏
Surprised you didn't mention Toxic Thread. If anything useful other than Ariados had that move we would be screwed. To be poisoned and a speed drop in the same breath is pretty good.
I Will never forgive gamefreak for giving tinkaton a horrible attack stat and Vikavolt low speed, also I could see all spider Pokémon getting silk trap in the future
Honestly I'd give No retreat to some of the proud warrior type pokemon. Golisopod is actually a great example. It can't run AV or Choice Items with No retreat but it has sone tools to capitalize on it as well. My craziest pick for getting No Retreat is Empoleon, the moe fits its personality. Adittionally empoleon is one of the pokemon with a connection to greek mythology so it learning a move from the lil' spartans is not too out of place.
If run leftovers on that bug. It already has great bulk with good hp, great def, and decent sp. Def. No retreat gives it all the bulk it needs and it has a natural knock off resist so it wont get neutured by it.
I would love if Golisopod could use No Retreat... Especially since Falinks has the ability to use First Impression as well, which _used_ to be Golisopod's signature ability. They would be like kindred spirits.
I'm one of the single digit number of people in the Ariados fan club and I think it's criminal that it was gifted such a neat move, Toxic Thread, but doesn't have the stats to do anything with it. Sticky Web plus a move that can poison AND lower speed is awesome utility, but it's too slow and not bulky enough to make good use of it (though I did try in Sun). Give this move to a Poison type with middling speed rather than abysmal and we could see some Venoshock/Merciless strats really pop off!
A tinkaton with higher attack would probably have lower defenses (Doubt the bst would change) which I would argue would make them worse. This has been my Tinkaton defense.
If gigaton hammer could be used again if a target protected it’d be so much better. The fact that her only good offensive tool can be freely nullified just hurts
About No Retreat: If the mon you're using is already unable to flee before using No Retreat (mean look, or simply being the last non fainted mon in your party), you can just keep on using No Retreat and get the omniboost
If I'm not mistaken, there is a way to use No Retreat more than once in a game, Falinks must get trapped on the field (by Mean Look for instance), I don't remember if before or after the first No Retreat (I think the latter), but then it can use it again!
It wasnt always the case as in GSC & only in GSC a bunch of other mons learned Lovely Kiss through events & that includes Nidos, Snorlax, Victreebel. Sadly, Gen3 couldn't allow u to transfer mons so all of 'em are stuck in a past gen & VC rerelease didn't give out any of the moves available exclusively in Gen2. But you're not in the wrong for not knowing that nor mixing it up w some other move that has "kiss" in its name.
I can see them giving Silk Trap to other spider Pokémon (Galvantula, Ariados, Araquanid etc.) but there’s no way in hell they’re giving it to Volcarona
There's that weird interaction with No Retreat where if you trap yourself with Jaw Lock you're able to use no retreat multiple times, which technically removes one of its limitation. You could try it with smeargle when it's available
Spidoperative nation member right here, legit my favorite Gen 9 ‘Mon. I LOVE ogre-faced spiders and their BST is a tragedy. I also think they should keep Silk Trap as a Signature Move, since that’s very specifically a thing that their IRL counterpart does. Y’see the thing they do on the cover of their Dex entry? They do that. In real life. Just smother prey in a melee web.
Heatmor hard carried me through gen 8. I'll never forget all the times I spammed inferno and killed everything. I am probably the only person to not only remember this pokemon, but also have it in their top 10 favorites.
I'm waiting for the sequel: meh or bad Pokémon with BROKEN Abilities Featuring Neutralizing Gas, Comatose, Triage, Innards Out, and Perish Body. God, Gen VII sure loves its signature Abilities.
idk if weezing is mid/bad, like I legit see it being good in the next format when it comes back. Just happened to get introduced in the dynamax gen, where it is just a max move target that doesn’t want to max itself.
I love Falinks! I tried making a Double Team strategy focused on them with its partner being a Swoobat with Simple and Skill Swap. Made them much more viable especially when I had the boosts I could get from G-max moves to work with it as well! I got in a few sweeps with them! :D
Tinkaton is especially a shame as it doesn't need that much more attack to be decent. Gigaton hammer has such a high power that even coming off a base attack of 90ish it would still do a crapload of damage.
Explain to me why Volt Tackle is limited to the Pikachu line. Imagine how great Eelektross, Electivire, Luxray, Zekrom, and Zebstrika could be if they could actually do meaningful damage. Having to rely on Electric Take Down for physical coverage is awful and I wish they experiment and give away Volt Tackle more cause not only is it dumb to get being egg move only and with an item condition too but it’s limited on a Pokémon with base 90 attack (55 if you’re using Light Ball Pikachu over Raichu)
If there is anything to be learned by the Archaludon situation, is that perhaps they might give Spidops a better 007 evolution on gen 10. Then the spidops nation will truly rise. Asside from that, I wish that thematically Houndstone would get revival blssing. Like the whole thing with the pokemon is that it was such a loyal pokemon it came back from the dead. I get that the combination of Revival Blessing and Last respect could get slightly abused, but it gets only one use.
or just more electric type physical moves in general because of the high amount of physical electric types because isn't the most powerful one that's given to a lot of pokemon thunder punch?
didn't realize fire lash was a signature to heatmor added in gen 7 since i was using it on centiskorch in gen 8 (salazzle also got it then and is the only one of the three currently in gen 9)
3:08 I think because of Haze Murkrow and Clear Smog Amoongus Dondozo has already been taken out of the meta so a better Dondozo matchup isn’t as good as it previously was. But this still can help with setup sweepers like Snorlax or Kommo-o
If you somehow get Jaw Lock and No Retreat on the same pokemon, you're able to use No Reatreat as many times as you want after Jaw Locking another pokemon. Then you just hope that you're able to take out any Haze-user before they erase your stat imcreases
5:46 I LOVE HEATMOR one of my favourite Pokémon of all time design wise. Wish they hadn’t given it such mediocre stats and movepool ;-; Also fire/ground type would’ve been very neat to have on it
Chatot's Chatter is a 65 power, 100% accurate move that always confuses the target starting in X and Y. And Ariados got Toxic Thread in Sun and Moon, a 100% accurate poisoning move that lowers speed by one stage.
I'm not sure if this counts, but I REALLY wish Shield Bash used the user's defense as the base to calculate damage, a more powerful Body Press, like Psyshock and Mewtwo's Psystrike. There's really so much missed potential GF is just leaving behind.
Really funny that when Teal Mask dropped they ADDED Knock Down to Tinkaton's kit. So to build a lore accurate Tinkaton I built a Ground Tera one with Knock Down, Bulldoze, Gigaton Hammer, and Swords Dance. Just for killing Corviknights! Is it competitive viable? No. That's not the goal... unless it actually is, I just wanted a funny lore accurate pokemon.
You know where Topsy-Turvy was useful? Ultra Sun/Moon. That gimmick move messed with every trial and even nabbed me a no-faint win against Ultra Necrozma on the second try, 10 levels underleveled.
I sloking galar is a good pokemon I really wish its signature move eerie spell was available on a pokemon with pressure. also the move revival blessing would probably be banned if it was available on a good defensive pokemon.
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I really wish Gigaton Hammer had the Freeze Dry effect where itd be super effective against steel types. I feel like it just makes too much thematic sense.
Just in general I'd love to see more moves with additional effectiveness boosts like freeze-dry, there's definitely potential out there! Gigaton Hammer's a great pick for that.
Yeah, it's weird. There are only two moves with different type charts than the rest. It's such an interesting move concept too, but to only limit it to Freeze Dry and Flying Press is rough..
i mean it would need a power nerf then
@@EmersonCRVG the pokemon that is the only one to get it that has an attack in the seventies that already has the nerf to only be able to use it every other turn, needs a nerf to also be a lot less powerful?
@@EmersonCRVG let's not act like steel types already have naturally high defenses without being ev or nature boosted, or that steel offensively isnt even good and is only used more now since fairy is so good.
There’s also Toxic Thread, the signature move of Spinarak and Ariados. Weird thing is, they got it in gen 7, *five whole generations* after their debut.
They finally got a signature move, and were never seen again
It's actually in gen 9, curiously! only callable by metronome
They had a signature in gen 2 as well tho
And they’re only obtainable by getting Spinarak to level 54 or Ariados to level 63, stupidly high levels for a Pokémon that isn’t even that good.
They had spider web in the past
Fun Fact: Fire Lash can be learnt by Salazzle, who has the great ability Corrosion. Bad thing is is not only is Salazzle really frail, Glimora gets Corrosion and uses it better. So RIP Fire Lash
Fire lash smeargle next to chien pao 👀👀👀👀
corrosion would actually be pretty good on salazzle if it instead let poison types hit steel types instead of just poison them. no idea why they didn't do that instead, but i suppose its far from game freaks most baffling decision
Fire Lash is also learned by the Ceniskorch line and serves as a pretty good STAB move for it
Jamie Boyt got angry reading this comment.
@@hazelbaker2312 Yeah but Ceniskorch is not really good, like the other two Pokemon on this list, because lack of Dynamax.
Spidops feels incomplete to me, like its the cool middle stage to a giant ground spider final evo-maybe one day
Its stats are so low!
Even without evolving, it would be way better if it were just more synergistic and efficient in how it's designed.
Pointless amount of stats wasted on defenses and sp. atk.
I'm not proposing anything *super* insane because it's an early route bug, but still.
Canon spread is 60/79/92/52/86/35.
And I actually think it could stay pretty slow and still benefit from its other traits, saving some points for them.
So I would propose like 60/109/72/42/66/55, even being purposefully conservative with how much the Sp. Atk gets lowered so that the minmax feels less "tryhard".
Even just 55 speed really boosts how much it would outspeed after they get affected by Silk Trap or Sticky Web.
And I would give it priority, so that there are more situations where Stakeout is actually good for something.
Shadow Sneak would make a decent amount of sense, given that it's an ambush hunter. Mach Punch could arguably work when it already learns a couple of Fighting-type moves.
Just like Scorvillain.
@captain_buggles first impression would be a lot nicer off 100 atk too...
There should be some kind of ability/held item that boost bug pokemon stats based upon how many bugs are on your field/team. Call it "Will of the Swarm" or something.
The fact that Jynx didn't receive the same treatment as Electabuzz and Magmar is a travesty.
the fact that you forgot rhydon also shows that those gen 4 evos are pretty underwhelming
I'm fine with it continuing not to get an evo IF they gave it a male counterpart - since it was supposed to have one in gen 1 according to beta datamines.
tbf though both Magmortar and Electivire trade off speed for a bit of power so Jynx would have probably gotten worse in Gen 4 if it got an evo of the same kind as Magmar and Electabuzz.
they were once a trio, but jynx is controversial so gamefreak tried to leave her behind. but you know who else is controversial? even more controversial than jynx? Porygon. And yet porygon got another evo in gen 4 unlike jynx who got left in the dust.
@@iwannaseehowlongyoucanmakethis tbf to Porygon the whole effect of that scene was Pikachu's fault since it was the one to use Thunderbolt which caused the flashing effect that gave kids seizures.
Fun falinks fact: If youre trapped, you can no retreat more than once. I know it works with mean look and such, idk about Shadow Tag
a really specific hackmons strat was no retreat and jawlock together. increasing each stat like thatnwas strong, but vulnerable to the likes of haze, taunt, etc.
You can only use no retreat once
@@aidenawe9359 If the user has already been given the "Can't Escape" status by another move such as Mean Look, No Retreat will successfully grant its stat boosts but will not create an additional status line to trap the user again. In this case, using No Retreat multiple times will create multiple boosts.
-Bulbapedia
@@itsnikki713 that's kinda sick, too bad GF will probably patch it out or fix it next gen like they do all the neat unintended interactions.
Yeah, I've had someone set up on me with that. Scariest experience of my life
Idk if anyone commented this but one move that always interested me was toxic thread. It’s basically a poison type string shot, it lowers the opponents speed by one stage, and poisons them. If the opponent is steel or poison, they can still get their speed lowered. Idk if it hits two targets in doubles like string shot but it is quite a unique move. If it does it hit two Pokémon in doubles, it would be a better poison gas, without the poor accuracy. If you’ve never heard of this move, that’s because it’s exclusive to spinerak and ariados, but was added in sun and moon.
That golisopod no retreat concept is certified heat! 🔥 despite being scared it makes the decision to stand it’s ground and go for broke
Golisopod is just that guy anyway
Future regional fake golisopod form???
With Smeargle returning in DLC, the concept of signature moves is about to go extinct.
It's broken moves not signature moves, some of them are on a couple pokemon already. And also some of these would be useless on smeargle. I can see topsy turvy working though.
@@GDKsanI miss Smeargals signature move dark void
I can’t wait for Terra Steel Smeargle with Gigaton Hammer.
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@@bestaround3323me to lol
Smeargle looks at silk trap the same way Homer Simpson looks at a donut.
I feel like silk trap is similar to kings shield where it only protects u from attacks but status moves can still hit u like taunt or glare. I need to look at the move description again
@@legendoftytoki7222oh i didnt know kings shield didnt protect from status
Also Contrary users will love it
I mean, if smeargle starts using it people will adapt to just use status moves against it or non contact physical moves or special moves. Silk trap isnt the end all that ot seems.
@@legendoftytoki7222to be fair Smeargle often ran Spiky Shield instead of Protect years ago, so I don't think that's an issue, it will probably run Silk Trap especially in the beginning when everyone is experimenting. Probably will be a viable option over protect like Spiky Shield was many formats ago
Falinks deserves way more love. Definitely one of the highlights of gen 8's roster.
Me too, my fav mon in gen 8. It's concept is so cool and creative. Too bad it's so weak we can't use it in competitive at all. I mean I don't play competitive actually but who doesn't want their fav mon to shine?
It definitely has room to grow
Currently it’s a Greek hoplite formation but have it evolve into other shield walls
Give it a Roman form that looks like the turtle and then go with a more Norman kite shield formation and it would be buffed while having an amazing throughline
It's say those that slander Tinkaton become the next target to added onto her hammer 🙂
What if they have 105 defense, a resistance, iron defense, body press and can just wall it
@@remington238Corviknight? 💀
I would never, tbh I use it in competitive play and still win games. It’s nice.
_"It isn't defamation if it's true."_
_-SidAlpha_
Base-75 Attack makes Gigaton Hammer a crippling overspecialization. She needs Swords Dance to do coverage damage, and even Play Rough is lukewarm.
Most pokemon can tank a gigaton hammer. If tinkaton was a stronger pokemon then it could hit harder.
I had a Tarantoula on my team and loved its design. Was so excited to see what it turned into. And then it evolved into Luigi.
Suprised grav apple and its variant wasnt mentioned, they are great moves that only applins evolutions get
Yeah, but Appletun is one of the better Pokémon in its tier, and even is a decent niche pick in vgc with thick fat making it extremely bulky.
QOTD:
This is a bit above the scope of the question, but I want a poison type with toxapex's merciless + baneful bunker combo. Both of those elements feel wasted on pex, both in singles and doubles alike, so I'd love for a mon like Arbok (maybe on a regional form?) Or Drapion to get it ;-;
I agree as somebody who likes to run mono-poison, I want more Pokemon to have Merciless. On Showdown's Almost Any Ability, Overquill works really well with it since it would be a 100% crit 120 bp move if its opponent is poisoned (because Barb Barrage doubles bp on poisoned pokemon). It makes sense because that would make Overquill Op, but it would make thematic since so it upsets me (also we need more good poison types because the only good poison types are Sneasler, Iron Moth, or legends)
Drapion and Overqwil deserve Merciless so bad! And if they could get Toxic Thread on top of their Toxic Spikes I think they could really be busted
@@Goldy12378 The problem with Toxic Thread is that it's a silk based move like sticky web, so its distribution feels limited to bug types mainly. With that being said, I would LOVE for more spider based mons to get the move. It would give galvantula and spidops fun liches as non poison types able to poison mons
@@Terry_T_ODST so true! No I agree with you, it'd be hard to justify giving it to more Poison types ahaha. But maybe cuz Drapion used to be a bug it could work
Would something with Venoshock not love Merciless? 130BP with crit? Ouch.
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Tysm!
Gamefreak spent so much effort on balancing I can predict some idiot giving gigaton hammer to melmetal
Gigaton hammer on melmetal wouldn’t change much actually
Double iron bash with iron fist has 144 base power (almost the same) and can be spammed (only problem is that it has 8 pp)
It also has like a 50% chance to flinch if it is used under trick room, even though that is kinda niche
@@jakecarlson3709 I mean, it can be good against slow defensively walls too
Still a rare scenario though
durant may not have a signature move, but it does have the exclusive wombo combo of the truant ability and entrainment. nobody understands what’s happening until it’s too late
tbf it feels like Tinkaton's stats were designed _after_ she was given Gigaton Hammer, which gave her a crippling overspecialization.
I think I would've done the base stats _first._
I've seen some romhacks that share signature moves with other pokemon the might still make sense.
E.g. Seaking getting Fishiousrend, or Kabutops getting Stone Axe.
Even with its 75 Attack, Tinkaton's hammer is basically an instant "click here to make the enemy disappear" button. That plus its speed and bulk, along with an assault vest, have led to it being the ace of my main playthrough team, which is really saying something considering my team also includes a friggin' _mythical Pokémon._
Woah, that is cool!...
Corviknight still walls it.
@@curnott6051 There aren't exactly a lot of Corviknight in single-player. I also have an Ampharos and Skeledirge. It's my ace team member, not my only team member.
@@TheOriginalJphyper he means in competitive. When the things you're competing against aren't twenty levels under, actually have desirable natures, EVs, IVs, natures, and are fully evolved, Tinkaton can't compete even with Gigaton hammer. The damage of the move becomes more unimpressive if you consider that using Iron Head twice would do the exact same damage.
@@4ty4s_ Did you really think I didn't know that? There's more to the game than just competitive.
@@TheOriginalJphyperyeah but we're talking about competitive here, you can beat all these games with pretty much any pokemon lol
"One move won't make a bad pokemon viable" houndstone says hi.
Lol
That THING isnt a move, its a god dam insta win button.
5 Pieces of Exodia
5 Mons Sacrificed
Obliterate
Define viable
SPIDOPS NATION!
We really need some *good* PHYSICAL Electric moves.
The only ones we got are either exclusive to PikaClones or legendaries. My man Luxray needs all the help he can get.
Luxray needs that Partner Pikachu zippy zap, a priority electric move that always crits would make it an amazing revenge killer with intimidate and its attack stat.
I used Heatmor in Gen 8, and it wasn't bad. It has really good coverage with Giga Drain and Scorching Sands, and I Maxed it in Trick Room with Dusclops to activate WP and slow it to a decent speed with Bulldoze. I literally did it because I was in Wolfe's sub server and people hated on him. When I showed them proof and said "It's not a bad Pokemon" people took that to mean that I thought it was a top tier threat, so I got harassed. It was particularly annoying because I know for a FACT that if a player like Wolfe or Cybertron used it and said it wasn't bad, people would have loved it.
I'm a believer in that every Pokemon is usable, but not necessarily good. Most of them require specific setup to make work, but they're definitely usable. It's fun to theorycraft that shit.
Oh WolfeyVGC. I thought you were talking about the asshole wolf, that bane on furry communities
@@HazeEmry we don't discuss him.
You have my respects for using Heather. I have a shiny one that I don't really need. Want him?
Every time I see a new signature move, I can’t wait for the follow up generation to spread it around. Here’s lookin at you, future shed tail Sceptile
Tinkaton is the perfect flutter mane counter, 75 attacks doesn't matter when you face a 55 HP 55 defense stat.
Until it Terazalized into Water
@@goGothitaLOL good thing it likes Tera Stee- oh sh*t.
@@goGothitaLOL still deals more than 50%
i love tinkaton man, i used assault vest tinkaton to go 6-3 at hartford regionals back in reg c as a flutter counter/bulky fake out user, it's prob the best anti-flutter mon in the game but unfortunately isn't good enough to do anything outside of that ;-;
I really hope that when they distribute more signature moves to other pokemos they stray away from giving them to top tier ones and instead buff kind of mediocre-ish ones.
Except bug types, give bugtypes all the moves available they need them, give all moves to ze bugs🙏
Surprised you didn't mention Toxic Thread. If anything useful other than Ariados had that move we would be screwed. To be poisoned and a speed drop in the same breath is pretty good.
I Will never forgive gamefreak for giving tinkaton a horrible attack stat and Vikavolt low speed, also I could see all spider Pokémon getting silk trap in the future
VIKAVOLT IS SAID TO BE REALLY FAST IN ITS POKEDEX ENTRIES SO IT MAKES NO SENSE FOR ITS SPEED STAT TO BE SO LOW!!!
Honestly I'd give No retreat to some of the proud warrior type pokemon. Golisopod is actually a great example. It can't run AV or Choice Items with No retreat but it has sone tools to capitalize on it as well. My craziest pick for getting No Retreat is Empoleon, the moe fits its personality. Adittionally empoleon is one of the pokemon with a connection to greek mythology so it learning a move from the lil' spartans is not too out of place.
If run leftovers on that bug. It already has great bulk with good hp, great def, and decent sp. Def. No retreat gives it all the bulk it needs and it has a natural knock off resist so it wont get neutured by it.
I would love if Golisopod could use No Retreat... Especially since Falinks has the ability to use First Impression as well, which _used_ to be Golisopod's signature ability. They would be like kindred spirits.
been playing lots of pokerogue recently, and hatched a ralts with no retreat as an egg move. no retreat mega gardevoir honestly tears everything apart
predicting tinkaton buffs next gen
also spidops nation wya
I'm one of the single digit number of people in the Ariados fan club and I think it's criminal that it was gifted such a neat move, Toxic Thread, but doesn't have the stats to do anything with it. Sticky Web plus a move that can poison AND lower speed is awesome utility, but it's too slow and not bulky enough to make good use of it (though I did try in Sun). Give this move to a Poison type with middling speed rather than abysmal and we could see some Venoshock/Merciless strats really pop off!
Or could they give Ariados Silk Trap + some decent bulk PLEASE I want him to be usable so BAD
A tinkaton with higher attack would probably have lower defenses (Doubt the bst would change) which I would argue would make them worse.
This has been my Tinkaton defense.
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Shout out to those that remember moxies grapploct team he made back in the sw sh days
every single move on this list i thought “fuck smeargle is gonna use this”
If gigaton hammer could be used again if a target protected it’d be so much better. The fact that her only good offensive tool can be freely nullified just hurts
You just gotta run swords dance and try to predict the protect
U can also just run it as support! It learns fake out thunder wave encore and other decent moves plus fairy steel is a great defensive typing
Jynx: lovely kiss
Butterfree: ahem…compound eyes Sleep powder.
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About No Retreat:
If the mon you're using is already unable to flee before using No Retreat (mean look, or simply being the last non fainted mon in your party), you can just keep on using No Retreat and get the omniboost
Mean look your own falinks in a doubles match???
Falinks should get an evolution because it would be cool and funny. Plus it becomes good in competitive.
We can then give *_the boys_* evolite or some shite
If I'm not mistaken, there is a way to use No Retreat more than once in a game, Falinks must get trapped on the field (by Mean Look for instance), I don't remember if before or after the first No Retreat (I think the latter), but then it can use it again!
How did I not realize for 9 generations that Lovely Kiss was an exclusive move for Jynx? I guess I got it mixed up with Sweet Kiss in my head lol
It wasnt always the case as in GSC & only in GSC a bunch of other mons learned Lovely Kiss through events & that includes Nidos, Snorlax, Victreebel. Sadly, Gen3 couldn't allow u to transfer mons so all of 'em are stuck in a past gen & VC rerelease didn't give out any of the moves available exclusively in Gen2. But you're not in the wrong for not knowing that nor mixing it up w some other move that has "kiss" in its name.
I can see them giving Silk Trap to other spider Pokémon (Galvantula, Ariados, Araquanid etc.) but there’s no way in hell they’re giving it to Volcarona
“I don’t think that kills just based on the fact that that’s a legendary Pokémon, and you are Falinks.” -guy in the falinks video
Wow, i used to watch you when you played the politoed, kingdra, urshifu and stakataka team, and im flabberghasted over the improvement since then
There's that weird interaction with No Retreat where if you trap yourself with Jaw Lock you're able to use no retreat multiple times, which technically removes one of its limitation. You could try it with smeargle when it's available
Spidoperative nation member right here, legit my favorite Gen 9 ‘Mon. I LOVE ogre-faced spiders and their BST is a tragedy.
I also think they should keep Silk Trap as a Signature Move, since that’s very specifically a thing that their IRL counterpart does. Y’see the thing they do on the cover of their Dex entry? They do that. In real life. Just smother prey in a melee web.
The idea of Incineroar taking off its belt to beat you with it is now engraved into my brain...thanks Marcos
I wouldn't mind Pheromosa landing a fat one on my forehead...
"it'll break your ankles like michael jordan and then plant a fat one on your forehead" is one of the best lines ive ever heard in a youtube video
I’d love to see golisopod no retreat
Hear me out here, Smeargle: Silk Trap, Ruination, No Retreat, Baton-Pass
No Retreat Golisopod actually sounds cool for thematics. Overcoming its cowardice for the sake of the team kinda sounds like a plot for an episode.
Heatmor hard carried me through gen 8. I'll never forget all the times I spammed inferno and killed everything. I am probably the only person to not only remember this pokemon, but also have it in their top 10 favorites.
Mad respect for being an inferno enjoyer, especially one without no guard or scrappy
I'm waiting for the sequel: meh or bad Pokémon with BROKEN Abilities
Featuring Neutralizing Gas, Comatose, Triage, Innards Out, and Perish Body. God, Gen VII sure loves its signature Abilities.
I didn't realize Perish Body was an ability and it is ungodly broken
idk if weezing is mid/bad, like I legit see it being good in the next format when it comes back. Just happened to get introduced in the dynamax gen, where it is just a max move target that doesn’t want to max itself.
Was does innards out do again??
@@JRR31 When somebody kills the pokemon, they take the exact amount of damage %
@@ChrisTheTree256-tv1ln oh snap that is kinda broken... but I'm guessing some mid tier mon gets it?
Tinkaton doesn't have huge power as an ability, which is so weird. It's like going into water and not getting wet
Nor does it have a Thick Club hammer equivalent
I love Falinks! I tried making a Double Team strategy focused on them with its partner being a Swoobat with Simple and Skill Swap. Made them much more viable especially when I had the boosts I could get from G-max moves to work with it as well! I got in a few sweeps with them! :D
wouldnt simple beam achieve the same thing
@@The_Arcane_Potato Yup. Both strats do the same thing! :D
Tinkaton needs the elemental punches so she can more easily kill Corv
Nah. And we don't want it to cause trouble in other regions
Tinkaton fire Punch 3hko after Swords Dance, corvinight body press 3hko without setup
@@ashmander3465 Like Galar
It's a kill on sight there they know what happens in paldea
Lovely Kiss was given as en event move in gen2 to nidoran and snorlax and boy it had méta impact
Tinkaton is especially a shame as it doesn't need that much more attack to be decent. Gigaton hammer has such a high power that even coming off a base attack of 90ish it would still do a crapload of damage.
It already does more damage than talonflame's brave bird, but because it's slow it can't really spam this nuke as much as the bird.
Imagine if zacian got gigaton hammer… wait no, don’t, that’s terrifying.
Explain to me why Volt Tackle is limited to the Pikachu line. Imagine how great Eelektross, Electivire, Luxray, Zekrom, and Zebstrika could be if they could actually do meaningful damage. Having to rely on Electric Take Down for physical coverage is awful and I wish they experiment and give away Volt Tackle more cause not only is it dumb to get being egg move only and with an item condition too but it’s limited on a Pokémon with base 90 attack (55 if you’re using Light Ball Pikachu over Raichu)
Still pissed Tinkaton doesn't have a signature item like Thick Club 😭
I think gigaton hammer should be super effective against steel types
Because of the episode that had zoroark disguised as a giant heatmor I actually thought it was a legend at one point in my life 😅 5:48
god no retreat golisopod sounds like the sickest thing ever, now I want it
Me with my Hisuian Decidueye in the corner: …
If there is anything to be learned by the Archaludon situation, is that perhaps they might give Spidops a better 007 evolution on gen 10. Then the spidops nation will truly rise.
Asside from that, I wish that thematically Houndstone would get revival blssing. Like the whole thing with the pokemon is that it was such a loyal pokemon it came back from the dead. I get that the combination of Revival Blessing and Last respect could get slightly abused, but it gets only one use.
4:52 If any pokemon truly deserves Silk Trap it should be Leavanny. Their whole thing is being adept with webs.
Golisopod with No Retreat would honestly be awesome.
Zing Zap on Togedemaru for other others physical electric types
or just more electric type physical moves in general because of the high amount of physical electric types because isn't the most powerful one that's given to a lot of pokemon thunder punch?
the spidops crowd 💀
Court Change would be interesting on other Pokemon. Why doesn't Passimian get it?
4:00. Spidops nation RISSSEEEEEE UP!
Me when the cute kirbogoober and the smol pinkigoblin aren't sweat certified. 👁️👄👁️
Imagine if Smergal’s signature move was given to another pokemon
shouldn't aura wheel be on here? 110 base power, 100 accuracy 16 pp max. and always boosts your speed
didn't realize fire lash was a signature to heatmor added in gen 7 since i was using it on centiskorch in gen 8 (salazzle also got it then and is the only one of the three currently in gen 9)
Jynx really needs an evolution
It ain't stopping me from breeding
3:08 I think because of Haze Murkrow and Clear Smog Amoongus Dondozo has already been taken out of the meta so a better Dondozo matchup isn’t as good as it previously was. But this still can help with setup sweepers like Snorlax or Kommo-o
I played a Pokemon hack ( unbound) where they gave electivire plasma fists. It just felt different using a good physical electric type😭
Fire lash + fake out salazzle with an assurance pokemon like kingambit could go stupid lowkey.
If you somehow get Jaw Lock and No Retreat on the same pokemon, you're able to use No Reatreat as many times as you want after Jaw Locking another pokemon. Then you just hope that you're able to take out any Haze-user before they erase your stat imcreases
1:20 imagine a Kartana with Gigaton Hammer 😳
5:46 I LOVE HEATMOR
one of my favourite Pokémon of all time design wise. Wish they hadn’t given it such mediocre stats and movepool ;-;
Also fire/ground type would’ve been very neat to have on it
Tinkaton is not a bad Pokémon. It has goat typing and great support moves
It’s not a GOOD Pokémon though
Nah Tink is definitely a garbage mon😂
No it’s not it attack stat is truly horrible
@@talonitex644175 is kinda bad, yeah, but it can work.
@@talonitex6441it’s not meant to be an attacker
The mental image of a Pheromosa full sprinting across the battlefield, lips pursed, is terrifying
Fun fact; the pokemon TCG was completely broken by what's basically Gigaton Hammer
On showdown in RegA I tried swagger grimsnarl with Tinkaton to boost its attack. It was a funny meme for a couple games.
SPIDOPS I WANT HIM TO HAVE A PICNIC IN REAL LIFE WITH ME
Chatot's Chatter is a 65 power, 100% accurate move that always confuses the target starting in X and Y. And Ariados got Toxic Thread in Sun and Moon, a 100% accurate poisoning move that lowers speed by one stage.
tinkaton was my babysitter for a while
miss her......
Same with Corviknight
I'm not sure if this counts, but I REALLY wish Shield Bash used the user's defense as the base to calculate damage, a more powerful Body Press, like Psyshock and Mewtwo's Psystrike. There's really so much missed potential GF is just leaving behind.
SPIDOPS NATION 🔛🔝🗣️🔥🔥🔥
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Really funny that when Teal Mask dropped they ADDED Knock Down to Tinkaton's kit. So to build a lore accurate Tinkaton I built a Ground Tera one with Knock Down, Bulldoze, Gigaton Hammer, and Swords Dance. Just for killing Corviknights! Is it competitive viable?
No. That's not the goal... unless it actually is, I just wanted a funny lore accurate pokemon.
You know where Topsy-Turvy was useful? Ultra Sun/Moon. That gimmick move messed with every trial and even nabbed me a no-faint win against Ultra Necrozma on the second try, 10 levels underleveled.
I sloking galar is a good pokemon I really wish its signature move eerie spell was available on a pokemon with pressure.
also the move revival blessing would probably be banned if it was available on a good defensive pokemon.