I Played 2XKO at Riot HQ
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- Imma still say Project L...
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"The Project Formerly Known As L"
I was thinking the same thing
Still better that 2xko XD
The Project that will continue to be known as an L
Project 👉
Too many people forget, or never knew, why Prince did that.
To the point of "is this game gonna do enough to get League/Runeterra players to check it out," I think the 2v2 mode is gonna go a _long_ way towards getting them in. I'm thinking of stuff like the SF6 event with all the VTubers, or Sajam's Tekken Slam - things where you take people with little to no experience in fighting games, pair them up with a coach, and watch them devour this genre. Now take that concept but have them actually team up _with_ their coach and I think this game is gonna hit it big.
OMG. DUDE. YES.
Like pair up a coach and a league streamer and it’s gold
That sounds so good with the way Burst works in this game (unless there's a ton of burst-safe routes). If the streamer is getting destroyed, the coach tags in at the safest point, and tries to turn things around.
Yeah a lot of TFT/LoL streamers from the sajam event ended up loving tekken
This is such a good idea
I already know a lot of people from my friend group who've never touched a fighting game in their life be excited about this, LoL and Valorant players especially and it really does give me hope for this games success. As the only one in my irl friend circle who plays these games, my worry is that it just might not be for me (Vs fighter, simplified inputs etc) but i will definitely give it a chance if it means i might finally get some of my friends into the FGC through this game.
Relate to this comment so hard!! Really hope that my friends will see this as the game that'll bring them into the fighting game genre. Coming from a tekken player who spent years on mastering movement and precise inputs, I do hope that playing a fighting game with simplified inputs will still be super enjoyable for me
Same,but since i switch fighting games so often as long as i get to enjoy some locals with friends the game will have done it's job
I don't see this, I've talked to my Brother who plays loads of League and he's said that he hasn't seen anyone who plays League who is interested in this game.
thats encouraging to read but also, kinda crazy lmao
Honestly I can't wait to play 2v2 with friends who don't play fighting games. I think it's going to be super fun.
thats not a friend then lmao@blastingpew8349
Oh, you are so innocent...
THATS WHAT IM THINKINGGG TOOO DAWG. Imagine after the skate sesh we hit the crib and run some setsssss
Even as somebody relatively comfortable with fighting game inputs - this doesn't seem more accessible. Those combos looks super long, and It feels like it'd take a lot of practice to memorise even 1-2 in a real match.
I'm speaking from the fact that I'm going to teach people fighting games and we are going to be playing against mexican lague players who are the most toxic/cocky community I ever seen in my life. I plan on just teching my friends when to dp/burst/mash lol
Hearing the game gives you the same itch scratching feeling as Mvc and Dbfz makes me happy
Man I can't wait to play this game. I'm loving all the good things it's doing.
i dont see it scratching any itches man
@@tebogotwala5185this game is way slower than those
@@tebogotwala5185 the cool thing is it's free to play and we haven't seen everything the game has to offer yet
One day we'll be able to peep it and see if it scratches anything for us 😂
A huge draw is that I can get a buddy who doesn't play fighting games to join me, but instead of playing against and crushing my friend, I can play with and CARRY him.
Just don’t put ur salt on him when ur both getting cocked lol
And he can drag you down 🤣
Every day an FGC member coaxes someone new into playing, like a delicate, fledgling butterfly emerging from a cocoon into the world of fighting games, and then accidentally crushes them to death.
Getting crushed to death is inevitable in fighting games. It’s the love of the game that keeps you coming back for more.
@@Neon29651If you keep coming back, you haven't been crushed to death. That's the whole point of the analogy.
I think the player team aspect is part of why they're comfortable with making the characters so unique and defined. They're not afraid of intimidating newcomers with having to learn multiple characters, cause a lot of newcomers are going to default to 2v2. Which is cool. In DBFZ and KoF, how many of us are guilty of having a "team" where we really only have 1 main? A lot of my matches in DBFZ were clearly determined by the round where it was finally main vs main, especially at low and mid levels. I imagine at those levels a potential advantage of a duo is you're both on your main.
Got to play it at Evo last year multiple times and enjoyed it. Scratched that itch that hasn't been scratched for me since UMVC3 and Battle for the Grid. I'm not hype about it yet, but I am very much looking forward to it, especially teaming up with my friend for 2v2.
If BFTG came out tomorrow, was F2P, and had 2v2 and decent netcode, it would get solid a scene and it would stick around for years. Hell, it has a scene now even without that. Assuming they deliver the netcode, 2XKO is AT LEAST as strong as that, so I don't see how people can be dooming about it so hard.
The idea of many new people entering this genre through 2XKO really excites me. I would love to play with friends who, in the past, have been reluctant to pick up Street Fighter or DBFZ. Riot's production values are high and that's always nice to have. I'm sure the big tournaments will be a fun spectacle. I'm trying not to be grumpy about the inputs. I've played games with simple inputs before like Fantasy Strike or Power Rangers and did not really enjoy them. I've seen games incorporate simple controls: Gran Blue, SF6, autocombo in DBFZ, and it never seems to make much of an impact. It feels like many people say the controls are why they don't play fighting games but even when the controls are simplified they still don't play. All that said, I'm happy to hear that the systems are complex enough that you had fun with them. That's the bigger concern, you look at a game like Strive and it just feels so hollow compared to +R or Xrd and I feel like that stems from the lack of complexity. I'm excited to try the game and I promise to try to not be a salty ass bitch gatekeeper.
Nice I can't wait for the closed beta to come out to get my hands on this game.
the pokemon master cometh....
I really hope the FGC won't settle on 1v1 being the main competitive format for 2xko. I feel like duos can bring a whole different level of interest as a spectator sport.
Ive played BFTG for a few years seeing this game coming out soon makes me so damn excited!
the important question though, is it the BBTAG?
What?
it is the mvciBFTG
I think the simple input combined with (most likely) a duo queue for ranked is a brilliant combination. I can't see how it could possibly fail. Simple input is a big part of SF6's success amongst the younger generation. Just saw an article say that SF6 actually changed the average age of SF players from 35-45 down to early 20's lol I'm rooting for this game because it looks fun and it will be hilarious to see Marvel OG's making Riot money.
The 2v2 is probably the most interesting portion of the game to me. Hearing you describe the game as needing comms is really interesting and different from what I expected. My only experience with this style of gameplay are doubles matches in platform fighters, so it will be interesting to see how different it will be.
I seriously cannot wait to run ranked with my buddies. It'll open up a whole new level to the pep-talk between matches we already do. Think, we can critique or compliment each other on how we utilise each other's tools, or make suggestions on entire character or playstyle choices. Easily my most anticipated feature. Put this game in my hands, Riot.
I'm going to bring up a point that doesn't seem to occur often enough in the discourse about this game. Support for this game by Riot should not be taken for granted. As a former Legends of Runeterra player, it's pretty evident how Riot has mismanaged and not given enough resources for the game to flourish. Also, Riot recently shut down Riot Forge after only a few years which shows how fickle and quarterly earnings obsessed Riot (and many other studios) can be. Part of the reason for these issues is that Riot has done a very poor job of hyping up these games to LoL, Valorant, and TFT players. So I am taking a wait and see approach about how Riot will manage 2XKO.
The best part of this game is for sure ability to play league charaters without playing league.
From SFxT, to people being excited for 2v2. What a timeline. Glad to hear it's fun; I'm looking forward to the game, even if them changing all the voice actors hurts me on a physical level.
when you said: i spent hours playing alone in trying mode my hype reached new levels. i really wanna try playing with a partner a trying to build insane setups and combos
I think this game has a very big potential of drawing in new players to the FGC. The moves being easy is good in that regard, which would make a good starting point to get into fighting games imo.
I used to play league years ago. The only thing that will make me play this is the roster.
6:09 its enough, you know why? cause of the lore of runeterra
From the outside pov, we can only make weird analogies to familiar games. I remember very early on we figured this had a lot of overlap with the BBTAG (sandwich mix, playing the team as a unit, etc). Not sure if you have thoughts on that one way or another?
I wonder if "will this appeal to League and Valorant players" is in part a red herring. I think if the FGC is eating good with this game, that's something visible to people outside of it imo. Tekken 8 and SF6 look like the most polished games at release in ... ever? It's easy to look at the FGC thinking the grass is green when you see that imo.
Can’t wait to play the game without going to Los Vegas or Japan
Los Vegas....
Lost Vegas
I really disagree on the point of the 2v2. Granted I haven't played the game yet so I don't truly know but right now there isn't anything added to the tag formula here to justify the Duo mode. SFxT had more to offer for two players at a time and no one played it that way and still no one plays it that way. DBFZ offered it as a mode and no one liked it or played it. What is 2XKO adding to the formula that makes it stand above in that arena? Why is it that they want me to ask a friend to watch me play, press and button when I want them to, and maybe get to play of the other team doesn't get wiped?
I feel like this shows how good marketing is because if anyone saw this on paper without some nice twins smiling at you talking about it they'd be wondering why the hell they'd want to do that to a game that's built to be played by one person per team.
"I disagree but I haven't played and don't really know"
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Dude, even if SFxT got re-released exactly as it was but there was an online matchmaking queue for 2v2 with good netcode people would roll that. No game has ever done that, ever. That's not even mentioning all the design decisions 2XKO made specifically to enhance to the 2v2 experience, which you just dismissed without argument.
@@doogiesHey, just being honest that it's based on what I've seen and not what I've played.
So far I don't understand it either, feels like you only forced to tag to make your friend play a little. Like you do a combo press a tag button - your friend does an ender - and tags - you play neutral and he watches you again? Is there a reason to let him stay besides "he wants to play too" type of stuff?
@@egrassa1480 when you're tagged out you recover grey health. This is common in nearly every tag fighter.
Texaco? Long way to drive for gas, seems counter-intuitive
Given the past perceptions on BBXT, Strive, DNF, SFXT, SG, MVCI, Fantasy Strike, it'll be fun to see how different the rhetoric on this game will be considering that it's involving FGC friends lol.
I'm curious how pivotal the team elements will end up being considering it isn't something forced on you. Interesting to hear you praise the movement; in all my playing at EVO I felt the only character with good, snappy movement was Ahri.
I think going forward the most interesting thing for me will be the expansion of defensive options and ways to keep all parties involved engaged until the end, beyond the comeback mechanic.
Multiple people have talked of the high level depth existing but none have been able to actually explain it so far lol and most of what we've seen or tried seems pretty standard.
When people's defense gets better, I'm worried the pacing will not be there. I'd love to see there be more to the team elements to make that truly matter. But plenty of time for them to adjust. Real curious how they will make a F2P a "forever" game. Excited to see where it goes! Bring me more Arcane characters!
It's okay to say you aren't interested man, instead of trying to poke holes in a case that isn't there lol. You will see in time, maybe.
Also yes, we need arcane season 2
@@doogies nah I'm very interested lol I think team games are the future for broadening fighting games' reach. I think it has a great platform to do that and like the diversity of characters we're potentially seeing. I only spend time to talk about improvements for things I want to see succeed, but it's just funny to me how some of the FGC's perspective will likely suddenly alter with something that is eerily similar to many things they chastised in the past haha.
I can already see the casuals rage quitting after 20 second combos into mix
The main appeal of huge huge pool of players is that casuals get to enjoy the game much longer. They're supposed to face the same lvl of skill most of the time
hearing you compare this game to Xrd, i know that means a lot to you. got me interested
if char kits have stuff that scratches "that itch," i can play it!
Holy shit they really improved animations and visuals in this one. They were way ahead of the demo shown on EVO it seems. This is starting to look incredible.
UI adjustments as well
Muliversus coming back in may with another fun free 2v2 option might get even more people interested in a 2v2 fighter. The game looks really promising and cant wait to see the content from an at home playtest
Character translation into a fighting game is gonna be the part that interests me the most, there's some wild ass stuff in League that on paper sounds absurd for a fighting game character so if they can bring that stuff over in a way that doesn't annihilate balance? I think it's got a good future ahead
yeah thats the most interesting part about the character reveals for this game
Almost every player or content creator that's gotten to try this game has walked away with very positive impressions. I got to play it at evo and I'm excited for it too, but I didn't get enough time to really learn and begin enjoying it. I'm happily surprised that you like it, Obama. I feel like you're difficult to please. Look forward to more content and the return of lil bussy man. There's going to be lots of non-FGC influencers that need to be gate kept and bullied.
Return? I never went anywhere lol
@@doogies My bad. That’s on me
It uses simple inputs huh? I expected that considering Rising Thunder. There's absolutely nothing wrong with simple inputs as long as the game is designed around it.
This just made me think if there will be some kind of cooperative learning inside the game, like, tutorials are already a big topic but what happens if you add a teammate to that? Will the game facilitate teaching/learning together? Could they leverage the fact that *maybe* there will be a lot of pairs with different levels of experience inside the game? I think that would be cool
nothing better than having your hype man be able to call assists and DHC
If there's anything riots good at, is making varied and interesting character kits. Balance be damned, you see cool shit.
If nothing else, I trust the people they put in charge of this to make a game that feels nice to mess around with. Anything more than that is a bonus, and the team play aspect has potential for something unique.
I have no doubt in my mind that this game will be a success. If anything, I'm just wondering if I'd like it enough to be able to want to play with my LoL-loving friends in it.
One of them picked up Strive before as their first fighting game but I didn't really like that game too much even though I tried and I can't really play it as much as they'd like me to and I feel bad about it. :(
I hope they have a Shoto-like, its my go to when i want to try new games.
As long as there’s no block button I don’t care how easy they make it
The only thing bothering me is how much the screen appears to freeze every time a hit connects or an ability gets used.
This is not freeze, this is a game mechanic. These freeze frames are made so that you have time to connect the hits.
For us League players, playing the game with our mains in 2xKO will only add to the fun. Most League players are excited to give it a try. Even streamers who typically aren't interested in Riot's other games like Valorant and the lore are eager to give it a shot.
I'm also curious if this will carve out the niche that is fighting games for players of all kinds, but specifically for the players of other Riot titles. I think it's likely, for lore/hype/curiosity/etc. reasons, that especially a lot of League/TFT players will at least check it out. It's going to be f2p, so the barrier of entry is as low as it can be, so I have no doubt it will initially find a huge audience. It remains to be seen how big the player base is going to be, but given Riot's experience in the f2p sector, given the involvement of lots of (pro) gamers from the fgc and the already succesful IP that is LoL, I'd be surprised if 2XKO doesn't blow up and becomes a staple among other popular and beloved series like SF, Tekken, Marvel, and so on.
Depends on how annoying the "dealbreakers" will be.
You're only taking into account the positives, but it can't possibly feel good to everyone even if they're interested
Main thing I want to know is how the game "feels" in terms of speed, you mentioned it has "versus DNA" in it which sounds good, but something about the game seems a bit floaty and slow despite it, as if the hitstop is too high. Did it feel okay to you when you had the controller in your hand or could it use a slight speed-up?
Bro watch the vid lol. It feels floaty but fast, best way I can describe it
@@doogies I'll take your word for it. Was wondering if it felt like one of those games that speeds up or slows down when you're playing it compared to just watching a vid. Game's still in like its first shown off playable build so there's still time to iron out the few things that bother me.
The main thing I want to see at this point are characters. Even if it's a few seconds announcing 2-3 more of them it's gotten a bit stale seeing the current roster. In addition, I'm hoping for more unexpected characters. For example, most people wouldn't consider Janna as a possible character even though there are tons wind-based characters to draw inspiration from (Storm, Rachel, Talim etc.)
I don't mean to project since obviously I don't know about your experience outside of what you have publicly said. That aside I recall hearing you talk about games that can be played alone in the lab for hours, a few years back in the podcast with Sajam. Something about that speaks to me, fighting games have so many different ways that they can be enjoyed, I think the best fighting games have many ways people can interact with the game and the community.
Don't underestimate us League players. We're so starved for content around the characters and worlds that we'll at least give anything a shot has the League IP attached to it, doubly so if it's free like 2XKO. Difficulty be damned lol
I've not touched fighting games since pretty much Mortal Kombat 4 on the N64, but the second we got more details on PL in 2021 I've been hooked to the FGC members that have been willing to cover it. Never been hyped for a fighting game but I'm beyond excited for 2XKO.
This game will end world hunger!
will and jadas marriage RESTORED
Everythi i've heard about this game from fgc players has been the same thing and leads me in the exact same direction as a bunch of other fighting games. Not sold on it, then kinda sold, and then will drop it.
Sounds like a you problem
Im hoping I have more time to dedicate to fighting games again by the time this is out so I can really sink my teeth into it (and inevitably rank it under Skullgirls regardless of how much fun I have, lol). If the gameplay has your seal of approval, that’s enough to be excited about for now.
to be fair, in dbfz once you learn one character you've basically learned them all 😂
to this day I do not understand the appeal of that game :D I love fighting games, a lot, but DBFZ never managed to engage me in the way other titles did/do.
I even enjoy watching matches and commentary of it, but playing it again.. nah :D
@@GenderNeutch I agree, DBFZ is fun as fuck to watch because anyone can get blown up and die at any moment. But its not for me
I learned how to play cs after trying valorant and Im happy so many people are gonna learn how much fun fighting games can be
I am definitely looking forward to seeing what an all simple input fighter can do. I hope it can have a good enough level of complexity, having it be tag helps with that as a solo player. Fantasy Strike was an interesting idea but eventually became boring.
I can't not read the name as ZeXKO.
Need that outro source so I can bust a move.
It's too sick.
Obama truly popped by to heart a comment 1 month later, only to Guile shimmy the answer.
Top.
Mad jealous you got to play it early haha, hoping final product is hype af for me to go hard in
it was fun. illaoi just frame grind >>>
It will live and die by how well the 2v2 works. The one thing that bothers me is that the characters don't seem to have weight to them.
You've only seen lightweights til now...
tha bee bee tag
5:53 No. You need to add content creators and streamers to that mix, especially in todays modern advertisement. I think it's the biggest pull imo. Things like community event can give a lot of pull to the game.
What better way to convince a customer than having their favorite influencers say good things about the game.
? Why do u think I'm not talking about them lol
@@doogies Did you? Was it in the video? I'm just saying my opinion on that specific question.
I wonder if characters will have special interactions with each other. Because (obviously) a lotta these LoL characters have lore (Jinx and Ekko for example). Or, at the very least, are from the same region (like Yasuo and Ahri) and I think it'd be cool if they had special intros/outros. Hell, I'd like to see intro/outros for characters who've never seen each other before. Imagine a mf seeing Illaoi for the first time 😆
So many "casual" players, I dont want to insult someone, and people who never played video games are playing Valorant. I dont like csgo or valorant but guys and girls I would never see Play CS are playing Valo and I hope so much this will have many Players too, who would never give fighting ganes a chance I hope so much my friends will try this out
I'm curious, if the game had the option to turn on motion inputs instead of simple inputs, with no direct advantage over the other, would it turn that option on just for comfort/fun, or is the allure of efficiency too strong? I don't have any attachment to motion inputs, so I don't know...
Will this game use any kernel anticheat ?
Are there neutral skips?
I think this game will be one that I will just watch it some of the things that I like as a casual in the gameplay is not there but I will give it a shot when is out.
Glad we finally got a voice we can trust on this
This game will be the bridge I'll use for my friends to play other fighting games 😈
riot not hiring arcsys to do the art for the game was a huge mistake
The game is no doubt going to be played by people who've played both FGC and Riot shit, but I problem I currently have with the roster is that they're safe with the characters they're picking. Yasuo, Ekko, and Ahri are all popular mid laners (mid is the most played role in the game) and the thing about League is that there's something for everybody in that game. So the stuff I like in League are all unpopular void or shadow isle guys, and I could see people who've played League not want to switch over unless their favorite character is ported over. In my situation I think the roster is MID at the moment but being a DBFZ fan I'll play any new VS game that comes out.
2XKblow
dont say i didnt warn u
I am curious about what kind of Training mode stuff and single players things they might have.
Will it be inspired by some of the training tools of modern fighters like the replay take overs or
the combo recipes. I don't want another fighting game that is all fight and no fun.
This game might be the last "experiment" from Riot. Their budget got cut and we'll be lucky if they finish the MMO too.
It might fail, but I have a feeling that my excitement is still appropriate, like how it was with LoR.
I just worry that the team aspect will drive us away from one of the core ideas of fighting games: embrace losing and enjoy the journey of self improvement. Team games got so popular and addictive because the folks always have something to blame for their losses. And when the highlight is on 1v1, all the drama is around characters and balance nitpicks.
It's a big point when you're trying to bring casual gamers who are just trying to enjoy the game without being aware of effort payoffs.
"multiplayer games got popular because you have a team to blame" is an actual skinwalker pretending to be a human being take
Give me Twisted Fate
That name is genuinely going to hurt the sales of the game. Not even joking. They have the opportunity to change that now, but I doubt it. If they didn't listen to internal dissent during the naming process they just won't listen.
I wonder how they will handle shotcalling in 2v2 competitive offline matches. Like, how will they mitigate one team listening to the other saying BURST NOW
Only concern now is roster size, given that we have a release window but the pace of character trailers has been almost a dead crawl. Hell, it's almost going in reverse - we know Jinx is in the game but she's been "unrevealed" given that she's no longer in trailers or listed on the official website. Same deal with Katarina - have they been cooking her since the initial announcement or did they end up shelving her? They're gonna need to ramp up reveal trailers over the next year if they want to boost confidence we're not just getting something as small as 8 characters at launch.
We been calling it Project L for half a decade. That's the unofficial official name for this game moving forward.
Kind of an obscure question. But could you sense that there will be many different playstyles in this game? Like hit and run, single strike, movement based gameplay? Or will it be just one touch, 20 second combo, corner 50 50 type gameplay only? Thanks
Definitely a weird question that I would think is answered when I say how unique character toolkits are, multiple times
Lee Sin would make me so Happy. I am registered for the beta and wanna play darius and yas!
ur footage used in the video new? cuz i swear ive never seen it before
i dont know why you said this
Im not a fan of the supers, performing the supers in a empty environment looks very very bad 😢
All im gonna ask is did they put your boy tahm kench and heimerdinger in
tahm and shaco...its time
Didn't you tell them to change that horrible name?
Thanks Obama
Saying the game "sacrifices in controls" because it doesn't have motion controls is a pretty silly take.
Okay you seem to understand fighting games very well
2xko worst fighting game name ever. And that is saying something
it's bad but not anywhere near the worst
I feel like we should jus call it Dub KO.
What I want with this game is some weird characters. Like, only thing I know about lol is arcane. I hate mobas. But I know it has like 500 characters. Probably there is some really weird characters in such giant cast. If they just put normal people or normal people with cat ears as characters it will be boring as heck. Oh, I know Nunu from that other game. I want him in the game and more weird stuff like this giang sansquash.
Do we know if this is gonna be free to play? Most fighting games are pretty expensive so getting a friend or 3 to buy it too wouldn't be super cool
it is confirmed f2p
@@doogies awesomesauce
ayo wtf is that pink mechanic
Oajin Mbama
Good game. Great devs. I will boost anyone on ranked ahaha 🤝
put me in the jansport
oh no, plz no rashid level 2
The thing about this game, besides gameplay/visuals/music being awesome is League of Legends has AMAZING characters (they call it champions).
So those ''champions'' alone can sell the game. Their design, their gameplay kit and their personality-lore are really interesting. So my request to you Mr Obama: Can you make another video about your ''request'' list but this time more serious one and with a guy who knows about those champs so you can ask what they do how they play or what's their story.
That's a million worth video.
Does it play as bad as it looks?
#ad
weird post
Wait this game not have 1v1 tag battles …. My hype is dying
? Lmao
So is it only 2v2 players or can you play 1v1 ?I thought up till now it was just meant 2v2 as in marvel 1 not like team esports 2v2 like multiverses
@@finnmarr-heenan2397 it always has 4 characters, it can have 2-4 players. You can even do 1 vs 2, right now.
Legends of Runeterra (league card game) had the IP and good gameplay and it floped
womp womp