Great video! UAD always just seems to have that extra depth in the low mids. PA still did a great job on this one though! I can’t even lie! 👏🏾 I’d buy it
Speak for yourself. One sounded better to me. It's not a universal truth, but at least it's not a universalist lie like "no better or worse just different". The moment someone decides to use one plugin on their mix instead of another they've judged that plugin as better in that moment for that purpose - not just different - so please spare us the meaningless, vapid platitudes. I'm perfectly happy spending some of my time obsessing about finding the best tools for my craft; much happier than if I slept on something which in hindsight I wish I'd been aware of. Maybe you should take your own advice? Surely someone not obsessing about plugins wouldn't be wasting their holy time on an API plugin shootout?
@@bc4315 wow you took that very personal man, you know my word is not forcing you to do anything,right? Is just my opinion, you do what you have to do,you know...
@@StereotacticMusic I'm not taking it personal, you're making it personal to other people when you tell them what to do and what not to do. You're telling others to not obsess about plugins. I - as an other - am responding to what you're telling me to do when I read your comment. If you'd written "I don't obsess about plugins, to me there's no better or worse" I wouldn't have responded to you. If you want your comment taken as an opinion then feel free to express it as an opinion, not as an absolute truth that you're then using to direct the behavior of others, as if you know better than them what they should and should not be doing. Of course I have the right to do what I have to do, so when you tell me to do what YOU want me to do you get a big ole BAM.
Cool comparison! I think the real star of the PA is the 2500 compressor, and the fact you can choose 3 different EQs. I will say I preferred the characteristics of the UAD with regards to saturation, but I'd be willing to be it'd be closer if you turned up the THD on the PA. Anyways, i'm super stoked I just got the PA version with my bundle :) Cheers
Thanks for the video! Just wanted to mention that you seem to have chosen different compressor styles between UAD and PA. "Old" (UAD) = "F.B." (PA). You seem to (at least on some) have chosen "Old" on the UAD while not having pressed the F.B. knob on the PA version. Just wanted to let you know. One is Feedforward and the other is Feedback.
@@bradnewsom6058 Ah, this might explain the biggest differences I'm hearing. The UAD sound more focused and more narrow. The PA breathes wider and brighter.
Thanks for video! Lindell 50 compressor kills the kick drum...completely... Does it have an internal side chain to prevent low frequency to be compressed?
Yes! Just press the yellow button. 😉 Niveau (NIV.) Adds a filter on the side chain to compress less the low frequencies and more the high frequencies. This helps to keep a natural frequency response after compression.
I prefer PA and as you will use more channels at the same time plus the busses the cumulative effect will get bigger and you will get more width similar to analog summing thanks to that TMT, I guess you didn't turn of oversampling, which would also give u more depth and clearer bass
Too much Oversampling will smear overall depth, image and punch. It will also change the impact of THD; natural nature of overdoing oversampling and the algorithm quality. I think you sound do another test with 2x or 4x and see which one sound better. Do this and I bet you get a lot more Lindells over UADs👂🏾
UAD is closer to what an API Legacy channel sounds like. It had more bottom end presence smooth high end and heft in the middle. With the signature punchy vibe. Both are good but UAD wins imho
especially in the mix section its obvious how much more room information the Lindell renders, allthough in singel intruments especially on Bass I kind of liked the UAD a bit more. I have the lindell and love it on drums. So I won't bother getting UAD. Not possible anyway because its locked to UAD.
Thanks for the shoot out. The PA sounds much more analogue and musical (besides that, I always was too stupid to use the GUI of the UAD version - this just doesn't work on the screen for me).
That separate DSP functionality ×2 s the Digital feel of the plugins anyway The Analog Modeling is ruined by UAD having to Digitally function from 2 platforms instead of the Direct Functionality of Plugin Alliance So plugin alliance is always gona sound more analog and less harsh
To people saying the PA is better. Listen to the transients. Also, listen for aliasing. It's most obvious in the E Guitar wow part, the UAD is much smoother. The transients on the classic guitar are way better on the UAD. On the final mix, the PA sounds compressed and the highs harsh compared to the UAD. Listen with good headphones or monitors and it's really obvious to me at least.
Tonality are very similar between them. If you could include the CPU meter (without UAD DSP Acceleration) to see which one is more efficient it would be appreciated.
If you remove UAD's DSP form the equation, then you will use 0% of your CPU. And you will also use 0 plugins. You can't run the API vision channel strip without offloading it entirely to UAD hardware. That's one of the advantages of using UAD plugins, IMO. Your CPU is totally unaffected when running those plugins. Some people will say this is the reason why the DON'T use them, but I suspect they must have excellent PCs. However, UAD recently released Spark, which introduced UA native plugins for the first time, but I don't believe the API vision is available on Spark right now.
Great comparison. That part where you compare the whole mix and switch between both is killer. I’m a huge PA user, but in this case to me the UAD is the winner. It has more body, more elegant top end with no harsh on it, and mids are more present on the UAD version. PA sounds a little more weak or empty this time but it’s still a really good option. Is there any chance you compare the API eqs by waves and the 2500 by waves with the PA and UAD channel strip? Would be a really nice API battle.
Good method, really. UAD and PA is incredibly close but the truth is that a comparision is close to impossible to be produced in "fair" with both strips set to "unity". when you try to "match" both settings you don't have a real fine tuning and probably 1.5 in UAD is not the same 1.5 in PA. Anyway "the tone" is different in both plugins and for what i can hear from a 320kbps compressed audio stream ... seems that UAD has more "linear" and balanced eq's expecially highs and mids and lows are more stable and focused and the punch is clear, like an API. PA sounds like a bit harsh on highs and this have an influence on mids and lows that sounds less focused and the punch is not the same. i this case i prefer UAD but, honestly... at the end of the day, even this difference have a taste. Bye.
Unless UAD Spark Steps up all the way Natively in all major DAWS and runs on Windows and Mac AND makes thier Whole Bundle more AFFORDABLE, UAD is done!!
PA is pretty good sounding, but UAD have mutch more body and smother hi end. PA is more bright, but is kinda thin and over agressive. I like PA but to my taste UAD is by far more pleasant to my ears.
I actually prefer the Lindell 50. to UAD as Lindell 50 had a deeper more saturated base.. other then that they where extremely close! Bad new for the super expensive aged UAD PCI product.. another proof of an aging slow hardware product..
uad sound a little better, but overall i think PA for the win because not only is not a bad sound (is pretty good), you have more options to choose and most important..... YOU DON'T NEED A FUCKING DSP TO USE IT!!
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Plugin Alliance clearly winner. More punch, more musicality. Very excellent test. Thanks.
Great video! UAD always just seems to have that extra depth in the low mids. PA still did a great job on this one though! I can’t even lie! 👏🏾 I’d buy it
You mean an EQ bump?! Lol. PA had richer harmonics overall. The UA one is getting dated.
PA has nothing to do with it. They are a sales website. Lindell made it.
Yeah but they sound more Digital
PA sounds more analog and Balanced
Way better for Mastering
Any chance of a comparison with Softube API?
They sound different but no better or worse just different. Don't obsess about plugins guys.
Speak for yourself. One sounded better to me. It's not a universal truth, but at least it's not a universalist lie like "no better or worse just different". The moment someone decides to use one plugin on their mix instead of another they've judged that plugin as better in that moment for that purpose - not just different - so please spare us the meaningless, vapid platitudes.
I'm perfectly happy spending some of my time obsessing about finding the best tools for my craft; much happier than if I slept on something which in hindsight I wish I'd been aware of. Maybe you should take your own advice? Surely someone not obsessing about plugins wouldn't be wasting their holy time on an API plugin shootout?
@@bc4315 wow you took that very personal man, you know my word is not forcing you to do anything,right? Is just my opinion, you do what you have to do,you know...
@@StereotacticMusic I'm not taking it personal, you're making it personal to other people when you tell them what to do and what not to do. You're telling others to not obsess about plugins. I - as an other - am responding to what you're telling me to do when I read your comment.
If you'd written "I don't obsess about plugins, to me there's no better or worse" I wouldn't have responded to you.
If you want your comment taken as an opinion then feel free to express it as an opinion, not as an absolute truth that you're then using to direct the behavior of others, as if you know better than them what they should and should not be doing.
Of course I have the right to do what I have to do, so when you tell me to do what YOU want me to do you get a big ole BAM.
@@bc4315 LOL
I agree, they sound like twin brothers.
Plugin Alliance is brighter but honestly they both sound good. I like the price of the plug in Alliance plugins though
Cool comparison! I think the real star of the PA is the 2500 compressor, and the fact you can choose 3 different EQs. I will say I preferred the characteristics of the UAD with regards to saturation, but I'd be willing to be it'd be closer if you turned up the THD on the PA. Anyways, i'm super stoked I just got the PA version with my bundle :) Cheers
Thanks for the video! Just wanted to mention that you seem to have chosen different compressor styles between UAD and PA. "Old" (UAD) = "F.B." (PA). You seem to (at least on some) have chosen "Old" on the UAD while not having pressed the F.B. knob on the PA version. Just wanted to let you know.
One is Feedforward and the other is Feedback.
Also it appears the Lindell has Eq before dynamics and the UAD has it after dynamics. I think we might be hearing those differences the most.
@@bradnewsom6058 Ah, this might explain the biggest differences I'm hearing. The UAD sound more focused and more narrow. The PA breathes wider and brighter.
UAD for me here is the Winner! Thanks for the Video
Did you have the 50 on oversampling? Oversampling provides a little more richness and depth.
dayyyymm...you gona make me pull that Lindell 50 Plugin...back off the bench.....
Love the lindel 560 eq on vocals
PLEASE SOFTUBE AMERICAN CLASS A VS Plugin Alliance Lindell 50 Series Channel vs UAD Api Vision Channel Strip!!!
Both sounds great and with big surprise PA Is fantastic
I got it now why uad released the new api plugin
UAD got more life in it, it's more musical!
Thanks for video! Lindell 50 compressor kills the kick drum...completely... Does it have an internal side chain to prevent low frequency to be compressed?
Yes! Just press the yellow button. 😉
Niveau (NIV.)
Adds a filter on the side chain to compress less the low frequencies and more the high frequencies.
This helps to keep a natural frequency response after compression.
I prefer PA and as you will use more channels at the same time plus the busses the cumulative effect will get bigger and you will get more width similar to analog summing thanks to that TMT, I guess you didn't turn of oversampling, which would also give u more depth and clearer bass
Oversampling: 16x
Too much Oversampling will smear overall depth, image and punch. It will also change the impact of THD; natural nature of overdoing oversampling and the algorithm quality. I think you sound do another test with 2x or 4x and see which one sound better. Do this and I bet you get a lot more Lindells over UADs👂🏾
Where do u get your plugin
The PA sounds more aggressive like it's compressing a bit more. I'd like to see a null test in these demos.
The PA to me is more modern sounding but UAD is probably closer to the original sound of the hardware. Good comparison!
I like them both! Really hair splitting in the A/B. I just got the UAD for $20, waiting for the right price on the PA/Lindell.
UAD is closer to what an API Legacy channel sounds like. It had more bottom end presence smooth high end and heft in the middle. With the signature punchy vibe. Both are good but UAD wins imho
you didn't compensate for the default dbfs settings on the lindell and set it to -18
especially in the mix section its obvious how much more room information the Lindell renders, allthough in singel intruments especially on Bass I kind of liked the UAD a bit more. I have the lindell and love it on drums. So I won't bother getting UAD. Not possible anyway because its locked to UAD.
Thanks for the shoot out. The PA sounds much more analogue and musical (besides that, I always was too stupid to use the GUI of the UAD version - this just doesn't work on the screen for me).
That separate DSP functionality
×2 s the Digital feel of the plugins anyway
The Analog Modeling is ruined by UAD having to Digitally function from 2 platforms instead of the Direct Functionality of Plugin Alliance
So plugin alliance is always gona sound more analog and less harsh
PA on the drums have that api pump Maybe UAD needs more compression
To people saying the PA is better. Listen to the transients. Also, listen for aliasing. It's most obvious in the E Guitar wow part, the UAD is much smoother. The transients on the classic guitar are way better on the UAD. On the final mix, the PA sounds compressed and the highs harsh compared to the UAD. Listen with good headphones or monitors and it's really obvious to me at least.
strange - Lindell is a more expensive plugin, and with oversampling. The old UAD shouldn't be competing at all..
Tonality are very similar between them. If you could include the CPU meter (without UAD DSP Acceleration) to see which one is more efficient it would be appreciated.
If you remove UAD's DSP form the equation, then you will use 0% of your CPU. And you will also use 0 plugins. You can't run the API vision channel strip without offloading it entirely to UAD hardware. That's one of the advantages of using UAD plugins, IMO. Your CPU is totally unaffected when running those plugins. Some people will say this is the reason why the DON'T use them, but I suspect they must have excellent PCs.
However, UAD recently released Spark, which introduced UA native plugins for the first time, but I don't believe the API vision is available on Spark right now.
I think the pa is clearly. But i like uad more. On the vocals uad is much better...
Perfect. Thank you.
i saw that uad won and saturation but PA in feature, but the greatest of them all is softube american class a.
In separate tracks the uad, in the mix the lindell. For me the lindell
Maybe the TMT is making the difference in the mix?
@@chaddonal4331 Who knows?
Great comparison. That part where you compare the whole mix and switch between both is killer. I’m a huge PA user, but in this case to me the UAD is the winner. It has more body, more elegant top end with no harsh on it, and mids are more present on the UAD version. PA sounds a little more weak or empty this time but it’s still a really good option. Is there any chance you compare the API eqs by waves and the 2500 by waves with the PA and UAD channel strip? Would be a really nice API battle.
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What kind of ears do you have i think you need a doctor. LOL
Please compare pink and waves api as welllll
UA sound nice and warm
Good method, really.
UAD and PA is incredibly close but the truth is that a comparision is close to impossible to be produced in "fair" with both strips set to "unity".
when you try to "match" both settings you don't have a real fine tuning and probably 1.5 in UAD is not the same 1.5 in PA.
Anyway "the tone" is different in both plugins and for what i can hear from a 320kbps compressed audio stream ... seems that
UAD
has more "linear" and balanced eq's expecially highs and mids and lows are more stable and focused and the punch is clear, like an API.
PA
sounds like a bit harsh on highs and this have an influence on mids and lows that sounds less focused and the punch is not the same.
i this case i prefer UAD but, honestly... at the end of the day, even this difference have a taste.
Bye.
Universal audio for me. pA one sounds like the ratio is too high
PA sounds alot better imo
I agree with the majority that the PA is good but UAD is the clear winner
PA was the clear winner, for sure.
Pa more musical more punchy more 3d
Considering the cost and limitations of UAD... you better be making money with those plug-ins or you have a very expensive hobby. :)
I got my API vision pluggin for 39$ sir.
The first drum kit sounds like SSD 5 free.
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Great video!!
Big Devistation for UAD because.....Plugin Alliance Lindell 50 sounds at least 40% more analog
I think The liddell feels a bit lacking in power, but the vocals are natural...
PA for me :)
Unless
UAD
Spark
Steps up all the way Natively in all major DAWS and runs on Windows and Mac AND makes thier Whole Bundle more AFFORDABLE, UAD is done!!
PA is pretty good sounding, but UAD have mutch more body and smother hi end. PA is more bright, but is kinda thin and over agressive. I like PA but to my taste UAD is by far more pleasant to my ears.
its Lindell, not PA. Lindell always better than UAD!
Uad sounds harsh ,for me its the lindell 50
wow....YOU GUYS BE caught up the name...UAD...but PA DOES SOUND RICHER...AND WARMER
I actually prefer the Lindell 50. to UAD as Lindell 50 had a deeper more saturated base.. other then that they where extremely close!
Bad new for the super expensive aged UAD PCI product.. another proof of an aging slow hardware product..
Well Lindell is more expensive 350. And the newer one - not surprised it's better . Can also do oversampling, which UAD cannot with it's old DSP.
Yeah....UAD hung themselves not opeing all the plugins...natively to for windows and mac....LOL
You wont let the PA play that long but.....the PA sounds way more Analog and Rich....UAD JUST NOT WORTH IT...lol
UAD has more round lowmid
PA clearly sounds more rich, UAD is brittle....smh...daymmmm scammers
uad sound a little better, but overall i think PA for the win because not only is not a bad sound (is pretty good), you have more options to choose and most important..... YOU DON'T NEED A FUCKING DSP TO USE IT!!
Plugin Alliance lacks Depth, UAD and Waves for the win