Thanks for this video! I've been researching low-cost scopes and this model is one that keeps coming up, but I haven't been able to find any meaningful info about how it actually is to use - until now!
Has anyone tried using this scope with HScope App for Android? I'm going to buy this scope to work exclusively on android, but I do not know if it's stable.
Amusingly, their website and the PDF do not list the operating systems it supports and I can’t just poke around the drivers to find out on my mobile device. It would be amazing if it supported Windows RT so I could dedicate an otherwise useless tablet to it. I have another RT tablet dedicated to my USB microscope but that just uses it like a USB webcam (still had to force generic USB camera drivers on it). With the Ethernet port I was hoping it had a web interface that works on anything but the PDF I found on their website does not explain how this works.
Is there some kind of scart coupler / breakout that would allow for easy probe tapping? Last time I disassembled my scart head, it never went back together!
This is great! I guess my stupid n00b question would be - how do you know what the scope should show when a particular type of connection is evaluated? For example, you mention that it’s what you expect to see on a SCART connection in the video. Is that just based on experience? I’m still pretty confused about oscilloscopes but this helped me quite a bit! It also makes me realize that there’s a relatively inexpensive way to get one for use at home without having to take out a second mortgage! The really nice ones are insanely expensive!!! Thanks for making this video! Awesome work as always!
Yes, just based on experience. You'll need to research what you're looking at, so for example in RGBs signals I always expect csync to be between 200 and 900mV and I expect video to be around 650mV. Glad I could help! I'll keep making more!
Thanks for the video. I bought this thing too and it seems to work fine (physically) but hell I hate that software. Is there some alternative, maybe open source that's somewhat intuitive to use with that thing?
I recently bought this scope and it works great, but there are some small annoying bugs in the software. For example, when you are looking at data captured from a single-shot trigger, it doesn't update the volts per division value on screen when you use the keys (Q, A, W, S) to zoom in/out, only when you later move the mouse cursor over that number. The time adjustment UI is also kinda wonky, sometimes it just doesn't work right even though you can clearly see that the data is there (and sometimes it works, with the exact same settings and the same signal). Hopefully these will be fixed at some point, because it's pretty good otherwise.
I wish that everyone that finds faults with any item would then link to a better item where those faults are gone. We all say how bad something is, but rarely do we point to a linked item solution.
I followed this guide step by step, but instead 700 mv on a full white screen on the video lines I'm getting around 800. I've tried to calibrate it multiple times but I'm not sure how to get an accurate reading.
@@RetroRGB the termination is provided by the framemister, so it should be 75 ohms. I would like to try other consoles, but the only one I currently have that i can use to run the 240p test suite is the Dreamcast, since I don't have a genesis flash cart, and as far as I know there are no 240p test suites for the PC Engine, Sega Saturn or Playstation 1 or 2
@@RetroRGB I've discovered that the 240p test suite has been ported to more things than I thought. The voltages seem correct with other consoles, but for some reason, the Dreamcast with the toro sync combiner seems to be high? I have an additional question, would an arcade board with RGB lines attenuated down to 750 mv be considered safe or does it have to be exactly 700 mv?
@@RetroRGB Please do! I have a couple of PS1's that need some tweaking, and an affordable scope to do it with would be sweet. Maybe more PS1's can be rescued if more people have affordable access to the tools needed to keep the lasers going for as long as possible.
RetroRGB I’ve been in the fence about this unit for years now since I’ve been waiting for an answer to this very question after EEVBlog’s Video about the $330 Electronics lab. Please let us know! Thanks. Maybe Voultar can tell us what kind of scope to get?
X1 is the normal for calibrating the probe and not x10. Compensation adjustment will be more accurate. Check any oscilloscope user manual and you will find this to be very true.
wonder if someone would make their own software for this with more stuff in the future. Making it more popular helps. Not saying what they put is bad. I don't even know about these untill you mentioned them.
Be aware that the DS212 would be limited for use in standard def analog video applications because of its measly 1MHz bandwidth on the analog frontend.
I would say that you wouldn't want to go below 20MHz for standard definition video. Higher resolution signals (EDTV, HDTV, etc.) would require more, though.
WOW!!! My PC oscilloscope PeakTech P1290 (Made in Germany) is absolutely the same: appearance, instruction manual, operation, softwae, controls, all of these are the same as the Owon above. WHO STOLE FROM WHOM???
This is not the cheapest. The non isolated version, the vds1022, can be had for about $30 USD less on amazon. And if you need isolation, it can be used with the hscope android app and any otg capable android phone or tablet to get a fully battery operated instrument. (If you don't have a laptop)
Are you sure it can handle the full bandwidth of 15KHz analog video? There might be cheaper ones that can ONLY measure voltage and nothing else, but I THINK this is the cheapest that can do what we as retro gamers need. I could be wrong though!
@@RetroRGB the only difference between the two scopes is the usb isolation in the "i" model, which means the scope ground does not connect to the mains ground through the usb connector, which removes danger of destroying your scope and computer if you probe hot chassis circuits while your computer is plugged into the mains.
@@jackietrove4637 I tested the vds1022i with hscope and I am not impressed. It does work perfectly , but on my 6" phone screen, the buttons are so tiny they are hard to touch accurately, and the gray colour of the control panel doesn't look very appealing. In all, I don't think its worth investing in the full version. The vds1022/1022i is also not Sigrok compatible. On windows 10 though, it works beautifully, but the software must be run in administrator mode, otherwise it will keep dropping the USB connection. It is very stable, and I have not had any freezing/crashing, unlike the Perytech U2100 which this replaces, which can't be used for very long without crashing
People, please share the real-life scenario when you make the overview for DIGITAL oscilloscope. First, what is the minimal period/frequency to fix the values. Second, is it possible to export data to CSV file for further analysis in MatLab. Third, it would be nice to see how it works. The oscillogram is nice to see, but if you want say run some calculations or signal comparisons it is not enough.
@@RetroRGB still, i'd rather save up for getting at least an owon sds 1022. We've got a view of those usb scopes in one of the lab's at our university. there were also very old digital scopes and semi-digital analog - hameg - scopes to choose from. i ended up using the hameg most of the time, as it was the most convenient one to use second being the old d-scope and last the usb. at least this owon seems to have a decent update rate compared to those older usb scopes, but navigating the UI of scope with mouse and keyboard - still horrible.
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Thanks for this video! I've been researching low-cost scopes and this model is one that keeps coming up, but I haven't been able to find any meaningful info about how it actually is to use - until now!
Excellent instructions on how to calibrate and manage the scope. Thank you very much!!!👍👍
Super helpful on how to measure sync voltage. Thank you!
Awsome walktrough. Thanks for sharing
Good video for us that know nothing yet. We should all share are knowledge. I think i will look at some more of your videos.
Thank you!
Hi can the PS1 Console use Digital Oscilloscope as everyone says to use only Analog Thanks Jos
Has anyone tried using this scope with HScope App for Android? I'm going to buy this scope to work exclusively on android, but I do not know if it's stable.
I use the same oscilloscope on Linux. It works very well.
Very Excellent explain thanks ❤️❤️ I can use this device CRT TV or any other models plz
Amusingly, their website and the PDF do not list the operating systems it supports and I can’t just poke around the drivers to find out on my mobile device. It would be amazing if it supported Windows RT so I could dedicate an otherwise useless tablet to it. I have another RT tablet dedicated to my USB microscope but that just uses it like a USB webcam (still had to force generic USB camera drivers on it).
With the Ethernet port I was hoping it had a web interface that works on anything but the PDF I found on their website does not explain how this works.
I just bought this O scope based on this video. I want to analyse the CAN bus on my car. I hope the product does this video justice :-)
Hey sir did it work? I want to do the exact same thing.
@@RajithaSeneviratne yes I'm too want to buy
can i use it with cars sensors ?
Can you make a video on supergun video signal and the correct way of doing it ?!?!
can this be used on linux with out using wine?
nice video , what is the max voltage and current can it handle please ?
Is there some kind of scart coupler / breakout that would allow for easy probe tapping? Last time I disassembled my scart head, it never went back together!
you can use T BNC adapter just like ste does in Bob's other scope video
This is great! I guess my stupid n00b question would be - how do you know what the scope should show when a particular type of connection is evaluated? For example, you mention that it’s what you expect to see on a SCART connection in the video. Is that just based on experience?
I’m still pretty confused about oscilloscopes but this helped me quite a bit! It also makes me realize that there’s a relatively inexpensive way to get one for use at home without having to take out a second mortgage! The really nice ones are insanely expensive!!!
Thanks for making this video! Awesome work as always!
Yes, just based on experience. You'll need to research what you're looking at, so for example in RGBs signals I always expect csync to be between 200 and 900mV and I expect video to be around 650mV.
Glad I could help! I'll keep making more!
Sometimes you will find the expected pattern in a datasheet or service manual for the device you are working on.
Can we also use this scope to make CD laser adjustments? I have another cheap scope that will not do eye patterns
Hi have you found one im also looking for one to do the same thing Cheers Jos
My question exactly.
Thanks for this Video .. can you help me to make wight background instead of black.
Thanks for the video. I bought this thing too and it seems to work fine (physically) but hell I hate that software. Is there some alternative, maybe open source that's somewhat intuitive to use with that thing?
I was told there's other, open source software that will work with it, but I never tried. Sorry!
I recently bought this scope and it works great, but there are some small annoying bugs in the software.
For example, when you are looking at data captured from a single-shot trigger, it doesn't update the volts per division value on screen when you use the keys (Q, A, W, S) to zoom in/out, only when you later move the mouse cursor over that number. The time adjustment UI is also kinda wonky, sometimes it just doesn't work right even though you can clearly see that the data is there (and sometimes it works, with the exact same settings and the same signal). Hopefully these will be fixed at some point, because it's pretty good otherwise.
I wish that everyone that finds faults with any item would then link to a better item where those faults are gone. We all say how bad something is, but rarely do we point to a linked item solution.
I followed this guide step by step, but instead 700 mv on a full white screen on the video lines I'm getting around 800. I've tried to calibrate it multiple times but I'm not sure how to get an accurate reading.
Maybe your source is just outputting high? Try multiple consoles and make sure there's 75 ohm termination.
@@RetroRGB the termination is provided by the framemister, so it should be 75 ohms. I would like to try other consoles, but the only one I currently have that i can use to run the 240p test suite is the Dreamcast, since I don't have a genesis flash cart, and as far as I know there are no 240p test suites for the PC Engine, Sega Saturn or Playstation 1 or 2
@@RetroRGB I've discovered that the 240p test suite has been ported to more things than I thought. The voltages seem correct with other consoles, but for some reason, the Dreamcast with the toro sync combiner seems to be high? I have an additional question, would an arcade board with RGB lines attenuated down to 750 mv be considered safe or does it have to be exactly 700 mv?
Does this scope work ok for adjusting a PS1 laser?
That's the one thing I still haven't tried with this scope! I hope to find out soon though!
@@RetroRGB Please do! I have a couple of PS1's that need some tweaking, and an affordable scope to do it with would be sweet. Maybe more PS1's can be rescued if more people have affordable access to the tools needed to keep the lasers going for as long as possible.
RetroRGB I’ve been in the fence about this unit for years now since I’ve been waiting for an answer to this very question after EEVBlog’s Video about the $330 Electronics lab. Please let us know! Thanks. Maybe Voultar can tell us what kind of scope to get?
Will this work with windows xp? Thank you for the great vid!
I never tried with XP and I ended up giving mine away. Sorry about that!
@@RetroRGB Thanks for the fast reply
The link to the scope doesn't seem to be correct
Wow, I screwed up the link back to my own site. What a bonehead move! Fixed.
retrorgb.com/owon-vds1022i-oscilloscope-tutorial.html
X1 is the normal for calibrating the probe and not x10. Compensation adjustment will be more accurate. Check any oscilloscope user manual and you will find this to be very true.
The manual to this model specifically says to use 10x
wonder if someone would make their own software for this with more stuff in the future. Making it more popular helps.
Not saying what they put is bad. I don't even know about these untill you mentioned them.
D3ltax55 The DS212 open source scope sounds like the right one for custom software. Doesn’t need a PC either.
Be aware that the DS212 would be limited for use in standard def analog video applications because of its measly 1MHz bandwidth on the analog frontend.
Ste Kulov Thanks! What’s a good spec to aim for if the goal is to validate analog video signals?
I would say that you wouldn't want to go below 20MHz for standard definition video. Higher resolution signals (EDTV, HDTV, etc.) would require more, though.
WOW!!! My PC oscilloscope PeakTech P1290 (Made in Germany) is absolutely the same: appearance, instruction manual, operation, softwae, controls, all of these are the same as the Owon above. WHO STOLE FROM WHOM???
made in germany LOL
@@alessandromeyer4888 Yes. Made in Germany, not China, not Korea, not Malaysia, not Taiwan, etc.
This is not the cheapest. The non isolated version, the vds1022, can be had for about $30 USD less on amazon. And if you need isolation, it can be used with the hscope android app and any otg capable android phone or tablet to get a fully battery operated instrument. (If you don't have a laptop)
Are you sure it can handle the full bandwidth of 15KHz analog video? There might be cheaper ones that can ONLY measure voltage and nothing else, but I THINK this is the cheapest that can do what we as retro gamers need. I could be wrong though!
@@RetroRGB the only difference between the two scopes is the usb isolation in the "i" model, which means the scope ground does not connect to the mains ground through the usb connector, which removes danger of destroying your scope and computer if you probe hot chassis circuits while your computer is plugged into the mains.
Can the vds1022i be used with HScope too or just the vds1022? How about sigrok (pulseview)?
@@jackietrove4637 I bought a vds1022i and I will be personally testing it when it arrives next week. I will be able to answer your question then.
@@jackietrove4637 I tested the vds1022i with hscope and I am not impressed. It does work perfectly , but on my 6" phone screen, the buttons are so tiny they are hard to touch accurately, and the gray colour of the control panel doesn't look very appealing. In all, I don't think its worth investing in the full version. The vds1022/1022i is also not Sigrok compatible.
On windows 10 though, it works beautifully, but the software must be run in administrator mode, otherwise it will keep dropping the USB connection. It is very stable, and I have not had any freezing/crashing, unlike the Perytech U2100 which this replaces, which can't be used for very long without crashing
People, please share the real-life scenario when you make the overview for DIGITAL oscilloscope.
First, what is the minimal period/frequency to fix the values.
Second, is it possible to export data to CSV file for further analysis in MatLab.
Third, it would be nice to see how it works.
The oscillogram is nice to see, but if you want say run some calculations or signal comparisons it is not enough.
Don't no why, but somehow i can't stand these USB Scopes, that don't have classic, hardware UI.
I don't love them either, but they're great on a budget.
@@RetroRGB still, i'd rather save up for getting at least an owon sds 1022. We've got a view of those usb scopes in one of the lab's at our university. there were also very old digital scopes and semi-digital analog - hameg - scopes to choose from. i ended up using the hameg most of the time, as it was the most convenient one to use second being the old d-scope and last the usb. at least this owon seems to have a decent update rate compared to those older usb scopes, but navigating the UI of scope with mouse and keyboard - still horrible.